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netwo...@mailinator.com

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Jul 1, 2005, 10:30:05 AM7/1/05
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I have been curious about this since I saw a load of items dumped
outside a local RSPCA shop.

If I were to take items that someone has dumped outside a charity shop,
would I be committing a crime? My guess is that I would not, as the
items have been dumped, i.e. the owner does not want them.

??

Don Aitken

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Jul 1, 2005, 12:30:05 PM7/1/05
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Nope. they have not been "dumped", they have been donated. Just
because the person who donated them does not want them does not mean
you can have them; he is entitled to give them to who he chooses. Many
charity shops have notices outside asking people not to do this, since
many people seem to share your erroneous view of the law. The offence
committed is theft.

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Jul 1, 2005, 12:40:03 PM7/1/05
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I am not a lawyer, but my reaction is that these items have not been
abandoned but have have been given to the RSPCA. Consequently, if you take
them, you would be stealing from a charity and you would quite probably face
eternal damnation.

Dr Zoidberg

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Jul 1, 2005, 12:40:14 PM7/1/05
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And I would say that you probably are stealing them.

The fact that they have been piled up outside a charity shop makes it
incredibly obvious that they have been left there for the charity shop by
the person who no longer wanted them. It is customary for people to do this
and I'd say that they can be considered the property of the charity shop at
this point.

You are almost certainly aware of this and with this in mind it can't be
considered honest to take them


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Alex

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Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!"

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gra...@dircon.co.uk

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Jul 1, 2005, 1:15:03 PM7/1/05
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:30:05 +0100, netwo...@mailinator.com wrote:

It would be theft.

I can recall a case where an individual was convicted of theft from a
builders skip that was left out in the street. The prosecution's
argument was that the house owner had entrusted the contents of the
skip to the builder. Only the builder had authority to deal with the
contents of the skip.

Graham

netwo...@mailinator.com

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Jul 1, 2005, 2:35:03 PM7/1/05
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OK thanks guys.

I would just say I was NOT thinking of doing such a thing.


Peter

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Jul 2, 2005, 6:10:03 PM7/2/05
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> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:30:05 +0100, netwo...@mailinator.com wrote:
>
> >I have been curious about this since I saw a load of items dumped
> >outside a local RSPCA shop.
> >
> >If I were to take items that someone has dumped outside a charity shop,
> >would I be committing a crime? My guess is that I would not, as the
> >items have been dumped, i.e. the owner does not want them.
>

Does your milkman leave milk outside your door in the morning? He doesn't
want it any more, having sold it to you, but I guess if someone helped
themselves to it you'd probably class that as theft. Where's the
difference?
Rog


Andrew Norman

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Jul 8, 2005, 5:45:05 AM7/8/05
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In article <ofrac11e1vuaoue7q...@4ax.com>, don-
ait...@freeuk.com says...
[Dumping stuff outside charity shops]

> Many charity shops have notices outside asking people not to do this, since
> many people seem to share your erroneous view of the law. The offence
> committed is theft.

In my experience, charity shops would generally be glad for people to
steal stuff dumped outside in bags. Firstly, they get into trouble
with the local council for blocking the pavement, despite the fact that
the charity didn't leave the bags there. Secondly, the stuff dumped
outside shops while they are closed is usually utter rubbish. The
shops I know of throw away more than 95% of "donations" left outside
(stained underwear, jumpers with holes in, etc), and the remainder is
usually worth less than the cost of sorting it out. If people have
something good to give to a charity shop, they'll usually take it in
when the shop's open.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
www.ajnorman.org

Robert

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Jul 8, 2005, 5:55:05 AM7/8/05
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and it is quite a good argument: It is possible that the price quoted
by the skip owner for supplying the skip might have been reduced, or
even free, because he had been told what was going to be put in it and
he knew it had scrap value.

Robert

cle...@wmin.ac.uk

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Jul 11, 2005, 7:10:04 AM7/11/05
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It's more than just people assuming that it is ok to take their pick of
items left outside a charity shop at night. There are organised gangs
who go out at night and pick up the bags for presumed resale elsewhere.
I've seen them in action. There was a utility vehicle (open back)
driving slowly down the road while teens on bikes picked up the bags
and threw them into the back of the ute.

Cheers,

Ross-c

cmcc...@googlemail.com

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Oct 23, 2016, 8:49:24 AM10/23/16
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Don aitken is actually wrong, they do not belong to the charity shop until they collect the donations from the front. Legally this is considered the "Acceptance of donation".

If they are taken before this period, you are stealing from the person who donated the item as it is their property until collected by the charity.

R. Mark Clayton

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Oct 23, 2016, 12:22:08 PM10/23/16
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On Friday, 1 July 2005 15:30:05 UTC+1, netwo...@mailinator.com wrote:
Suppose my wallet fell out of my pocket outside the charity shop and you picked it up and kept it?

Norman Wells

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Oct 23, 2016, 12:22:42 PM10/23/16
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I wonder if he's still bothered after 11 years.

Or even alive.

RobertL

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Oct 24, 2016, 6:20:34 AM10/24/16
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I'm alive anyway, and I think my previous comment (10 years ago) was quite au point.

Robert

rjsum...@gmail.com

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Jan 21, 2018, 3:05:30 AM1/21/18
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A milkman's responsibilities to his customer has no correlation to after-hours donations. There's a huge difference between items on a resident's doorstep and items outside a donation center.

rjsum...@gmail.com

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Jan 21, 2018, 3:05:41 AM1/21/18
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A lost wallet found and not returned has no correlation to this discussion.
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