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scafftag: when is it mandatory, if ever?

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RobertL

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May 18, 2011, 3:35:02 AM5/18/11
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When a scaffold is erected for commercial work it can be certified by
a competent person and a "scafftag" is attached to it to show it is
safe. In some situatins this seems to be mandatory but I have been
unable to find out which.

Can anyone advise me please?

thank you,

Robert

steve robinson

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May 18, 2011, 5:55:03 AM5/18/11
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RobertL wrote:

All Scaffholding should be tagged , it falls broadly within the
health and saftey at work Legislation .

Its covered by several codes of practice , cdms , method statements
etc .

Ian Smith

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May 18, 2011, 7:20:02 AM5/18/11
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On Wed, 18 May, steve robinson <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
> RobertL wrote:
>
> > When a scaffold is erected for commercial work it can be certified
> > by a competent person and a "scafftag" is attached to it to show it
> > is safe. In some situatins this seems to be mandatory but I have
> > been unable to find out which.
> >
> > Can anyone advise me please?
> >
> > thank you,
> >
> > Robert
>
> All Scaffholding should be tagged , it falls broadly within the
> health and saftey at work Legislation .

All scaffold used by someone at work, yes. If it's a homeowner doing
DIY, no. It's more specific than just general H&S legislation though.

> Its covered by several codes of practice , cdms , method statements
> etc .

You could start at
http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/safetytopics/scaffoldinginfo.htm

The detail you want is probably Work at Height Regulations 2005
regulation 12. Basically any scaffold used for work needs an
inspection before use and at no more than 7 day intervals, by a
competent person. There needs to be physical evidence of the
inspection (which may be by scafftag, but does not technically need to
be).

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RobertL

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May 18, 2011, 8:35:01 AM5/18/11
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On May 18, 12:20 pm, Ian Smith <i...@astounding.org.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May, steve robinson <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
> >  RobertL wrote:
>
> > > When a scaffold is erected for commercial work it can be certified
> > > by a competent person and a "scafftag" is attached to it to show it
> > > is safe.  In some situatins this seems to be mandatory but I have
> > > been unable to find out which.
>
> > > Can anyone advise me please?
>
> > > thank you,
>
> > > Robert
>
> >  All Scaffholding should be tagged , it falls broadly within the
> >  health and saftey at work Legislation .
>
> All scaffold used by someone at work, yes.  If it's a homeowner doing
> DIY, no.  It's more specific than just general H&S legislation though.
>
> >  Its covered by several codes of practice , cdms , method statements
> >  etc .
>
> You could start athttp://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/safetytopics/scaffoldinginfo.htm

>
> The detail you want is probably Work at Height Regulations 2005
> regulation 12.  Basically any scaffold used for work needs an
> inspection before use and at no more than 7 day intervals, by a
> competent person.  There needs to be physical evidence of the
> inspection (which may be by scafftag, but does not technically need to
> be).
>


thank yo uall for your help with this, especially the useful link.

Robert

Humbug

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May 21, 2011, 7:10:02 PM5/21/11
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On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:20:02 +0100, Ian Smith <i...@astounding.org.uk>
wrote:

Can that be the person who erected it?

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steve robinson

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May 21, 2011, 8:05:02 PM5/21/11
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Humbug wrote:

Yes as long as that person is competant

Humbug

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May 21, 2011, 8:55:01 PM5/21/11
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On Sun, 22 May 2011 01:05:02 +0100, "steve robinson"
<st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

>> > The detail you want is probably Work at Height Regulations 2005
>> > regulation 12. Basically any scaffold used for work needs an
>> > inspection before use and at no more than 7 day intervals, by a
>> > competent person. There needs to be physical evidence of the
>> > inspection (which may be by scafftag, but does not technically
>> > need to be).
>>
>> Can that be the person who erected it?
>
>Yes as long as that person is competant

Who decides whther he is competent?

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steve robinson

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May 21, 2011, 9:00:12 PM5/21/11
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Humbug wrote:

CITB , amongst others

Humbug

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May 21, 2011, 9:55:11 PM5/21/11
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On Sun, 22 May 2011 02:00:12 +0100, "steve robinson"
<st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:

So does that mean he has to have passed an examination and received a
certificate?

If so, why is it "competent" rather than "qualified"?

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Ian Smith

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May 22, 2011, 4:30:03 AM5/22/11
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There are a number of training bodies whose qualifications might
indicate competence, and no specific (no one) defined qualification.
You don't need a qualification, if you can demonstrate competence
otherwise you can do a scaffold inspection.

The easy way of demonstrating competence to inspect is to have a
certificate that says you're competent to inspect, but actually a
certificate alone is not sufficient and an certificate is not
essential.

NASC have a FAQ on it: http://www.nasc.org.uk/FAQs#Competency I would
offer the caution that a scaffolder trade body that has a finger in
training course provision is likely to recommend training courses.
You'll note that even they caveat all their recommendations for
particular courses with the requirement for "necessary knowledge and
experience" in addition to the course.

There's lots of similar cases - changing abrasive wheels, for example,
requires a competent person but not a specific qualification. Gas
installation work used to be the same, but I don't know if it still
is.

However, all of this rather depends on the scaffold in question - if
it's a system scaffold the manufacturer may have courses and claim
that anyone who has done the course is competent. If it's an ali
tower PASMA is the de facto arbiter of competence. If its
tube-and-fittings it depends if it's a small simple indoor
rectangular array or a large complex structural-engineer designed
structure cantilevering over a motorway.


With respect to 'who decides if he's competent', basically the
employer of the inspector decides if he's competent, with the person
employing that firm deciding whether the firm is competent.
Competence is an issue getting increasing attention within
construction at the moment. If you want to trace it all the way
back, CDM (Construction Design and Management Regulations) requires
that the client for a construction project checks the competence of
everyone they appoint -
http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/clients.htm or
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg411.pdf

steve robinson

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May 22, 2011, 6:55:02 AM5/22/11
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Humbug wrote:

> On Sun, 22 May 2011 02:00:12 +0100, "steve robinson"
> <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Humbug wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 22 May 2011 01:05:02 +0100, "steve robinson"
> >> <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> >> > The detail you want is probably Work at Height Regulations
> >> 2005 >> > regulation 12. Basically any scaffold used for work
> >> needs an >> > inspection before use and at no more than 7 day
> >> intervals, by a >> > competent person. There needs to be
> physical >> evidence of the >> > inspection (which may be by
> scafftag, but does >> not technically >> > need to be).
> >> >>
> >> >> Can that be the person who erected it?
> >> >
> >> > Yes as long as that person is competant
> >>
> >> Who decides whther he is competent?
> >
> > CITB , amongst others
>
> So does that mean he has to have passed an examination and received
> a certificate?
>
> If so, why is it "competent" rather than "qualified"?

Because you can be qualified but a complete idiot

You seen the courses in the red tops be a plumber/ plasterer/
carpenter earn £xxxxxx a year
we can train you in 6 weeks qualifications at the end of it

Doesnt make them competent

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