Abandoned Shopping Trolleys

[Saxman]

I live fairly close to a large supermarket and their shopping trolleys
(and other nearby stores) often get abandoned. Not too much of a
problem with the large supermarket, as they have a contract with

@Trolleywise
http://www.trolleywise.co.uk/

I (and others) report them to Trolleywise and they do get recovered.
However, some stores ignore reminders or have no contract with
Trolleywise. On one occasion I visited a store manager and the trolley
removed immediately. It had been abandoned for about a week despite
reminders. Recently, my local councillor had to resort to writing to the
head office of a local store in order to action them.

Can someone tell me what the legal situation is regarding abandoned
store trolleys?

Do all trolleys need restriction devices?
Do they have to work?
Can a person get fined for going 'out of bounds' with a trolley?
Whose responsibility is it to recover abandoned trolleys?

I can remember a case some years ago where Sainsburys, Chelmsford got
fined heavily by the local council for having to recover trolleys from
the local river nearby.

[Roland Perry]

In message <o40ddv$er8$1...@news.albasani.net>, at 13:07:11 on Wed, 28 Dec
2016, Saxman <john.h.willia...@gmail.com> remarked:

>I can remember a case some years ago where Sainsburys, Chelmsford got
>fined heavily by the local council for having to recover trolleys from
>the local river nearby.

Having lived in Chelmsford at the time the Sainsburys new store opened
in the shopping centre, I think they had a scheme whereby there were
places in the Council's adjacent car park [and they would have turned
down PP for a Sainsbury's carpark] to return your trolley.

Those people returning the trolley to a river half a mile away are a
completely different community.
--
Roland Perry

[Mark Goodge]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 13:07:11 +0000, Saxman
<john.h.willia...@gmail.com> put finger to keyboard and typed:

>I live fairly close to a large supermarket and their shopping trolleys
>(and other nearby stores) often get abandoned. Not too much of a
>problem with the large supermarket, as they have a contract with
>
>@Trolleywise
>http://www.trolleywise.co.uk/
>
>I (and others) report them to Trolleywise and they do get recovered.
>However, some stores ignore reminders or have no contract with
>Trolleywise. On one occasion I visited a store manager and the trolley
>removed immediately. It had been abandoned for about a week despite
>reminders. Recently, my local councillor had to resort to writing to the
>head office of a local store in order to action them.
>
>Can someone tell me what the legal situation is regarding abandoned
>store trolleys?

It depends on the local authority, because some have powers under by-laws
specifically aimed at this situation. There may also be planning
restrictions in certain cases as well. But, to start with, assuming the
default of no by-laws or planning restrictions in force:

>Do all trolleys need restriction devices?

No. The trolleys are the property of the supermarket, it's up to them how
they minimise the risk of loss.

>Do they have to work?

See above.

>Can a person get fined for going 'out of bounds' with a trolley?

Someone who removes a trolley from the supermarket with no intention of
returning it, or who later changes their mind about returning it and
decides not to, is guilty of theft. And if they abandon the trolley
anywhere other than returning it or keeping it, they are also guilty of
fly-tipping.

>Whose responsibility is it to recover abandoned trolleys?

By default, assuming no by-laws in application, it is fly-tipped waste just
like any other and the responsibility of the landowner to clean up.

In practice, most supermarkets will recover stolen trolleys where notified
of them, partly because they wish to be good neighbours and partly because
the trolleys cost money and recovering them is cheaper than replacing them.

However, in some cases, this voluntary collection arrangement is
insufficient, and local authorities have implemented ly-law powers to
enable them to fine supermarkets for not recovering trolleys. This does not
override the general rule that the person who took the trolley is guilty of
theft and fly-tipping, but it is much easier to prosecute the supermarket
for non-recovery than it is to catch the thief. And it also removes the
duty of dealing with abandoned trolleys from the landowner.

The power to require supermarkets to recover their own trolleys, and fine
them for failing to do so, does not extend to a requirement for the
supermarket to implement anti-removal systems. In practice, the potential
of a fine for unrecovered trolleys is often sufficient incentive for them
to do so.

However, a requirement for anti-removal devices can be applied as a
planning restriction when a supermarket is built or amended. This can be
applied by any principal council, and doesn't need by-laws. It's also more
granular than by-laws, as it can be applied specifically to supermarkets in
areas where trolleys are more likely to be removed. The downside is that it
still doesn't solve the problem of people circumventing the anti-removal
systems, and gives the council no redress where that is rife.

>I can remember a case some years ago where Sainsburys, Chelmsford got
>fined heavily by the local council for having to recover trolleys from
>the local river nearby.

In that case, the relevant council has by-law powers to do so. Not all
councils do.

Mark
--
Insert random witticism here
http://www.markgoodge.com

[Saxman]

Sainsburys were responsible and the fine amount to thousands.

My councillor has confirmed that fines can be levied.

[Roland Perry]

In message <ms486chvo710gi3ir...@news.markshouse.net>, at
20:20:02 on Wed, 28 Dec 2016, Mark Goodge
<use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:

>a requirement for anti-removal devices can be applied as a
>planning restriction when a supermarket is built or amended. This can be
>applied by any principal council, and doesn't need by-laws. It's also more
>granular than by-laws, as it can be applied specifically to supermarkets in
>areas where trolleys are more likely to be removed. The downside is that it
>still doesn't solve the problem of people circumventing the anti-removal
>systems, and gives the council no redress where that is rife.

The only supermarket where I live which has an anti-removal cordon is a
fairly ancient Tesco. Aldi has the coin-token scheme, but Sainsbury's
and Waitrose have neither. The Aldi and Sainsbury's are both about four
years old, and the Aldi doesn't appear to worry about planning
restrictions as it is openly flouting at least two.

--
Roland Perry

[Roland Perry]

In message <o412sm$rgp$1...@news.albasani.net>, at 19:13:27 on Wed, 28 Dec

2016, Saxman <john.h.willia...@gmail.com> remarked:

>>> I can remember a case some years ago where Sainsburys, Chelmsford got
>>> fined heavily by the local council for having to recover trolleys from
>>> the local river nearby.
>>
>> Having lived in Chelmsford at the time the Sainsburys new store opened
>> in the shopping centre, I think they had a scheme whereby there were
>> places in the Council's adjacent car park [and they would have turned
>> down PP for a Sainsbury's carpark] to return your trolley.
>>
>> Those people returning the trolley to a river half a mile away are a
>> completely different community.
>
>Sainsburys were responsible and the fine amount to thousands.

Were Sainsbury's regarded as responsible on account of perhaps not
implementing a £1 deposit on the trolleys?
--
Roland Perry

[@bwllfa.co.uk Nogood Boyo]

"Saxman" wrote in message news:o40ddv$er8$1...@news.albasani.net...

>
>I can remember a case some years ago where Sainsburys, Chelmsford got fined
>heavily by the local council for having to recover trolleys from the local
>river nearby.

I wouldn't worry too much about removing them from the river. They make
fantastic habitat for invertebrates and small fish and, on the advice of our
local Fisheries Officer, we no longer bother to remove them!

--
Nogood Boyo

[Mark Goodge]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:49:45 +0000, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> put

finger to keyboard and typed:

Some supermarkets and locations suffer more from it than others, as a
result of demographic differences. Waitrose tends not to have the type of
customers who are prone to steal trolleys. And your local Sainsbury's isn't
located next to the type of housing development likely to be inhabited by
trolley-stealers :-)

Where I live, Tesco doesn't suffer appreciably from stolen trolleys, mainly
as a consequence of being located so far from any large housing development
that very few people walk there. Morrisons, by contrast, is located right
in between two of the town's biggest 80s and 90s developments, with very
easy access on foot from nearly all of the surrounding housing, and as a
result has trolleys going missing left, right and centre. Aldi and Lidl use
coin-release trolleys, M&S Simply Food is as far from housing as Tesco, and
the Co-op doesn't seem to have a trolley-pilfering clientele.

[Vir Campestris]

On 29/12/2016 14:38, Mark Goodge wrote:
> Where I live, Tesco doesn't suffer appreciably from stolen trolleys, mainly
> as a consequence of being located so far from any large housing development
> that very few people walk there. Morrisons, by contrast, is located right
> in between two of the town's biggest 80s and 90s developments, with very
> easy access on foot from nearly all of the surrounding housing, and as a
> result has trolleys going missing left, right and centre. Aldi and Lidl use
> coin-release trolleys, M&S Simply Food is as far from housing as Tesco, and
> the Co-op doesn't seem to have a trolley-pilfering clientele.

Coin deposit trolleys work two ways. It's far less likely that someone
will just wander off with the trolley, and if they do it's quite likely
the local kids will take it back for the deposit.

(Some of course will just break into the mechanism.)

Andy

[Tim Watts]

Some might even think "I paid a pound for this trolley, so that's not
nicking it then - Bargain!"

[tim...]

"Mark Goodge" <use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fe7a6ctd0opup0p7p...@news.markshouse.net...

> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:49:45 +0000, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> put
> finger to keyboard and typed:
>
>>In message <ms486chvo710gi3ir...@news.markshouse.net>, at
>>20:20:02 on Wed, 28 Dec 2016, Mark Goodge
>><use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>a requirement for anti-removal devices can be applied as a
>>>planning restriction when a supermarket is built or amended. This can be
>>>applied by any principal council, and doesn't need by-laws. It's also
>>>more
>>>granular than by-laws, as it can be applied specifically to supermarkets
>>>in
>>>areas where trolleys are more likely to be removed. The downside is that
>>>it
>>>still doesn't solve the problem of people circumventing the anti-removal
>>>systems, and gives the council no redress where that is rife.
>>
>>The only supermarket where I live which has an anti-removal cordon is a
>>fairly ancient Tesco. Aldi has the coin-token scheme, but Sainsbury's
>>and Waitrose have neither. The Aldi and Sainsbury's are both about four
>>years old, and the Aldi doesn't appear to worry about planning
>>restrictions as it is openly flouting at least two.
>
> Some supermarkets and locations suffer more from it than others, as a
> result of demographic differences. Waitrose tends not to have the type of
> customers who are prone to steal trolleys.

had to shop in there earlier this week as it's the only shop walkable from
my sister's

with their prices I thought they were throwing in a free trolley with every
purchase

tim

[Saxman]

On 29/12/2016 14:38, Mark Goodge wrote:

I've been in correspondence with my local councillor today and my local
borough council is going to introduce such a scheme on the 17/01/2017
whereby supermarkets will be fined for abandoned trolleys.

[Roland Perry]

In message <fe7a6ctd0opup0p7p...@news.markshouse.net>, at
14:38:08 on Thu, 29 Dec 2016, Mark Goodge

<use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:
>On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:49:45 +0000, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> put
>finger to keyboard and typed:
>
>>In message <ms486chvo710gi3ir...@news.markshouse.net>, at
>>20:20:02 on Wed, 28 Dec 2016, Mark Goodge
>><use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>a requirement for anti-removal devices can be applied as a
>>>planning restriction when a supermarket is built or amended. This can be
>>>applied by any principal council, and doesn't need by-laws. It's also more
>>>granular than by-laws, as it can be applied specifically to supermarkets in
>>>areas where trolleys are more likely to be removed. The downside is that it
>>>still doesn't solve the problem of people circumventing the anti-removal
>>>systems, and gives the council no redress where that is rife.
>>
>>The only supermarket where I live which has an anti-removal cordon is a
>>fairly ancient Tesco. Aldi has the coin-token scheme, but Sainsbury's
>>and Waitrose have neither. The Aldi and Sainsbury's are both about four
>>years old, and the Aldi doesn't appear to worry about planning
>>restrictions as it is openly flouting at least two.
>
>Some supermarkets and locations suffer more from it than others, as a
>result of demographic differences. Waitrose tends not to have the type of
>customers who are prone to steal trolleys. And your local Sainsbury's isn't
>located next to the type of housing development likely to be inhabited by
>trolley-stealers :-)

Neither is the Tesco (its location is best described as mixed
industrial).

--
Roland Perry

[Judith]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:49:45 +0000, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <ms486chvo710gi3ir...@news.markshouse.net>, at
>20:20:02 on Wed, 28 Dec 2016, Mark Goodge
><use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>a requirement for anti-removal devices can be applied as a
>>planning restriction when a supermarket is built or amended. This can be
>>applied by any principal council, and doesn't need by-laws. It's also more
>>granular than by-laws, as it can be applied specifically to supermarkets in
>>areas where trolleys are more likely to be removed. The downside is that it
>>still doesn't solve the problem of people circumventing the anti-removal
>>systems, and gives the council no redress where that is rife.
>
>The only supermarket where I live which has an anti-removal cordon is a
>fairly ancient Tesco.

Do you know how and if it works?

I guess it is an electro-mechanical device (if such devices exist) - and I
would have thought such a device would cost more than the trolley.

Have you tested it?

The reason I ask is because I have tested at a couple of stores - and there was
no problem wheeling the trolley out of the car park.


(I did in fact return them - rather than parking them in the river)

[Judith]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:38:08 +0000, Mark Goodge
<use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

>Morrisons, by contrast, is located right
>in between two of the town's biggest 80s and 90s developments, with very
>easy access on foot from nearly all of the surrounding housing, and as a
>result has trolleys going missing left, right and centre.

However, I seem to recall that it was a conscious decision by Morrisons to
remove the pound operating mechanisms - and they said it was to make shopping
easier (rather than nicking a trolley easier/cheaper)

[Judith]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 13:07:11 +0000, Saxman

<john.h.willia...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I live fairly close to a large supermarket and their shopping trolleys
>(and other nearby stores) often get abandoned. Not too much of a
>problem with the large supermarket, as they have a contract with
>
>@Trolleywise
>http://www.trolleywise.co.uk/
>
>I (and others) report them to Trolleywise and they do get recovered.
>However, some stores ignore reminders or have no contract with
>Trolleywise. On one occasion I visited a store manager and the trolley
>removed immediately. It had been abandoned for about a week despite
>reminders. Recently, my local councillor had to resort to writing to the
>head office of a local store in order to action them.
>
>Can someone tell me what the legal situation is regarding abandoned
>store trolleys?
>
>Do all trolleys need restriction devices?

Just because there is a notice that trolleys will cease to function if taken
out of the car park, does not mean that they will do.

I would be interested if anyone knows of a supermarket where the trolleys do
cease to work after a certain boundary is crossed.

[Mark Goodge]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:38:58 +0000, Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> put

finger to keyboard and typed:

There's a perception that coin-locks are somewhat downmarket - it's the
sort of thing that the German discount sheds do, for example - and isn't
really in line with Morrisons attempts to reposition themselves a bit more
upscale. But you can't change your clientele just by changing your image.

[Tim Watts]

Waitrose in Tonbridge have coin deposit trolleys. They don't really have
any option given proximity to the high street and loads of in town and
side of town residential developments.

And a river. Which loads of flats are built next to.

Well, aside from any planning restrictions, they don't have any option
if they actually want to see their trolleys again! :)

[Paul Cummins]

In article <92oc6ctd1m9i7vf08...@4ax.com>,

jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk (Judith) wrote:

>
> I would be interested if anyone knows of a supermarket where the
> trolleys do cease to work after a certain boundary is crossed.

Tesco Aldershot, Adsa Basingstoke, Tesco Basingtoke, Tesco Dundee,
Waitrose Newbury, want any more?

--
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Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
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[Chris R]

"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
news:0krc6cl5hddftrhkd...@news.markshouse.net...

>

> >However, I seem to recall that it was a conscious decision by Morrisons
> >to
> >remove the pound operating mechanisms - and they said it was to make
> >shopping
> >easier (rather than nicking a trolley easier/cheaper)
>
> There's a perception that coin-locks are somewhat downmarket - it's the
> sort of thing that the German discount sheds do, for example - and isn't
> really in line with Morrisons attempts to reposition themselves a bit more
> upscale. But you can't change your clientele just by changing your image.
>

I don't think it's entirely down to market positioning. I can testify that
it's really annoying to shoppers to find that they are required to have a
pound coin on their person as a condition of shopping there, and I would
avoid such a store if i could.
--
Chris R

[Janet]

In article <o45ua3$g9n$1...@dont-email.me>, inv...@invalid.munge.co.uk
says...

It's pretty universal in Scotland. No problem.

Janet.

[Chris R]

"Janet" wrote in message
news:MPG.32d0900c3...@news.individual.net...

>
> In article <o45ua3$g9n$1...@dont-email.me>, inv...@invalid.munge.co.uk
> says...

> > I don't think it's entirely down to market positioning. I can testify
> > that
> > it's really annoying to shoppers to find that they are required to have
> > a
> > pound coin on their person as a condition of shopping there, and I would
> > avoid such a store if i could.
>
> It's pretty universal in Scotland. No problem.

No problem if you happen to have a pound coin. I don't carry change any more
unless I know I am likely to need it that day.
--
Chris R

[tim...]

"Chris R" <inv...@invalid.munge.co.uk> wrote in message
news:o45ua3$g9n$1...@dont-email.me...

It's often a planning condition imposed by the local council

tim

[Judith]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:35 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
agree2...@spam.vlaad.co.uk (Paul Cummins) wrote:

>In article <92oc6ctd1m9i7vf08...@4ax.com>,
>jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk (Judith) wrote:
>
>>
>> I would be interested if anyone knows of a supermarket where the
>> trolleys do cease to work after a certain boundary is crossed.
>
>Tesco Aldershot, Adsa Basingstoke, Tesco Basingtoke, Tesco Dundee,
>Waitrose Newbury, want any more?

How does the mechanism work? Have you tested them - or did you just believe
the notices?

[Vir Campestris]

On 30/12/2016 16:20, Chris R wrote:
> No problem if you happen to have a pound coin. I don't carry change any
> more unless I know I am likely to need it that day.

I have a plastic 1 Euro in my ash tray for these situations -- it's
really common in France.

Andy

[Tim Watts]

You can buy little keyring thingies off ebay that act as a release tool.
Only works for slot type, not tray type coin mechanisms.

*cue discussion on legality of said devices* :)

[Paul Cummins]

In article <kauc6ch81ube2h8em...@4ax.com>,

jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk (Judith) wrote:

>
> How does the mechanism work?

I haven't examined it closely, but it appears to release a plastic cup to
sit below (one of) the wheels, preventing it from being rolled.

> Have you tested them - or did you just believe
> the notices?

No, I've seen the immobilised trolleys, both left at the red line, and
behind the store. Certainly at the Asda where I started my working life,
it worked.

[Rob Morley]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:44:07 +0000
Tim Watts <tw_u...@dionic.net> wrote:

> You can buy little keyring thingies off ebay that act as a release
> tool. Only works for slot type, not tray type coin mechanisms.
>
> *cue discussion on legality of said devices* :)

When you consider that they are sometimes sold at the checkout of
said shops, as charity fundraisers ...

[James Wilkinson Sword]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 13:07:11 -0000, Saxman <john.h.willia...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I live fairly close to a large supermarket and their shopping trolleys
> (and other nearby stores) often get abandoned. Not too much of a
> problem with the large supermarket, as they have a contract with
>
> @Trolleywise
> http://www.trolleywise.co.uk/
>
> I (and others) report them to Trolleywise and they do get recovered.
> However, some stores ignore reminders or have no contract with
> Trolleywise. On one occasion I visited a store manager and the trolley
> removed immediately. It had been abandoned for about a week despite
> reminders. Recently, my local councillor had to resort to writing to the
> head office of a local store in order to action them.
>
> Can someone tell me what the legal situation is regarding abandoned
> store trolleys?
>
> Do all trolleys need restriction devices?

> Do they have to work?
> Can a person get fined for going 'out of bounds' with a trolley?
> Whose responsibility is it to recover abandoned trolleys?

>
> I can remember a case some years ago where Sainsburys, Chelmsford got
> fined heavily by the local council for having to recover trolleys from
> the local river nearby.

What's the problem? If there's a trolley where you don't want it, take it, use it, bring it back to a store, whatever. They'll fit in the back of most cars.

[Norman Wells]

"Judith" <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kauc6ch81ube2h8em...@4ax.com...

There are several videos on Youtube. If you put in the obvious search terms, I'm
sure you'll find them.

[Roland Perry]

In message <0krc6cl5hddftrhkd...@news.markshouse.net>, at
14:29:27 on Fri, 30 Dec 2016, Mark Goodge
<use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:

>you can't change your clientele just by changing your image.

Try telling that to anyone who has passed Marketing 101.
--
Roland Perry

[Janet]

In article <8760m1b...@news2.kororaa.com>, aug...@kororaa.com
says...

> Is it? None of the the four stores nearest me - one Asda, one CoOP, one
> Morrisons, and two Tesco - have coin-locks. Likewise the two
> supermarkets - one Tesco, one Sainsbury, in the town I used to live in.


The Co-op, ASDA Morrisons and Sainsbury I use nearest here do; and
so does the Tesco I use in Inverness (and various others around
Glasgow). I must be shopping downmarket

Janet

[Roland Perry]

In message <o45ua3$g9n$1...@dont-email.me>, at 15:27:23 on Fri, 30 Dec
2016, Chris R <inv...@invalid.munge.co.uk> remarked:

>> >However, I seem to recall that it was a conscious decision by
>> >Morrisons to
>> >remove the pound operating mechanisms - and they said it was to
>> >make shopping
>> >easier (rather than nicking a trolley easier/cheaper)
>>
>> There's a perception that coin-locks are somewhat downmarket - it's the
>> sort of thing that the German discount sheds do, for example - and isn't
>> really in line with Morrisons attempts to reposition themselves a bit more
>> upscale. But you can't change your clientele just by changing your image.
>>
>I don't think it's entirely down to market positioning. I can testify
>that it's really annoying to shoppers to find that they are required to
>have a pound coin on their person as a condition of shopping there, and
>I would avoid such a store if i could.

I used to avoid such shops for years, largely because of forgetting to
take a suitable coin with me. But have solved it completely now by
having one of the trolley-token discs that clips onto a keyring.

And if anyone thinks that's trying to beat "the system" Aldi had them
for sale last year (about 69p, iirc).
--
Roland Perry

[Judith]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
agree2...@spam.vlaad.co.uk (Paul Cummins) wrote:

>In article <kauc6ch81ube2h8em...@4ax.com>,
>jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk (Judith) wrote:
>
>>
>> How does the mechanism work?
>
>I haven't examined it closely, but it appears to release a plastic cup to
>sit below (one of) the wheels, preventing it from being rolled.

What does?

And what causes it to release the plastic cup?

[Mark Goodge]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:03:12 +0000, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> put

finger to keyboard and typed:

You can't change your clientele *just* by changing your image.

It may be a part of the process, but it is insufficient on its own.

[F Murtz]

Out here near some old folks units a trolley or two is left near the
lift of their units, the oldies use them to and from the shop,make good
walking frames

[Judith]

Cheers - now seen them.

I was very sceptical as the only two I had tried had seemed not to work:
perhaps I had not taken them far enough away from the stores.

[Paul Cummins]

In article <g7md6chp0lloj5dj7...@4ax.com>,

jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk (Judith) wrote:

> >I haven't examined it closely, but it appears to release a plastic
> cup to
> >sit below (one of) the wheels, preventing it from being rolled.
>
> What does?
>
> And what causes it to release the plastic cup?

Which bit of "I haven't examined it closely" was confusing, just for
clarity?

:-)

[Roland Perry]

In message <gerd6cpo0qua1shkn...@news.markshouse.net>, at
23:30:00 on Fri, 30 Dec 2016, Mark Goodge

<use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:

>>>you can't change your clientele just by changing your image.
>>
>>Try telling that to anyone who has passed Marketing 101.
>
>You can't change your clientele *just* by changing your image.
>
>It may be a part of the process, but it is insufficient on its own.

Remember that 'image' is the resulting opinion of the consumer, not the
individual measures you deploy in order to effect the change in image.
--
Roland Perry

[Saxman]

I don't use a car, I walk. I've returned some trolleys back to the
store where possible, but some are locked.

Some trolleys end up over a mile from the mentioned supermarket. I'm
certainly not going to wheel them back that far.

BTW, I've found 3 more abandoned trolleys in the last two days. At that
rate there will be over 500 abandoned trolleys in the next year.
No wonder some councils are concerned.

[Adam Funk]

I guess that can only be done when a planning application is made,
though --- not added later when abandoned trolleys are found to be a
problem.

[Adam Funk]

I guess we're talking about trolley tokens --- I don't see how they
could be illegal, although if you swapped a trolley with a token in it
for £1 in front of the store, that would be defrauding the other
shopper.

When I first saw Tim's post, I imagined a device for releasing the
coins out of trolleys without putting them back.

[Tim Watts]

On 04/01/17 12:12, Adam Funk wrote:
>
> When I first saw Tim's post, I imagined a device for releasing the
> coins out of trolleys without putting them back.
>

I see what you mean :)

No - this widget goes in the coin slot, not the chain slot.