Do tram drivers need a PCV (formerly PSV) driving licence?
Alasdair Baxter
their drivers have to take nationally recognised driving tests and get
PCV (formerly PSV) driving licences?
Also do trams have third party insurance and can their drivers be
convicted of road traffic offences like "drunk in charge of a tram"?
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Mark Goodge
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>Since trams have no tax discs or number plates, I just wonder whether
>their drivers have to take nationally recognised driving tests and get
>PCV (formerly PSV) driving licences?
>
>Also do trams have third party insurance and can their drivers be
>convicted of road traffic offences like "drunk in charge of a tram"?
Trams are trains (or, to be more precise, light rail), not road
vehicles, so road traffic regulations do not apply. They are, however,
covered by various rail legislation.
Mark
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Paul Cummins
(Alasdair Baxter) wrote:
> Since trams have no tax discs or number plates,
Because they don't run on the road...
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Neil Hopkins
(Paul Cummins) wrote:
>In article <up0vd0h1nj8f9a7g0...@4ax.com>, l...@llb.me.uk
>(Alasdair Baxter) wrote:
>
>> Since trams have no tax discs or number plates,
>
>Because they don't run on the road...
>
What about where the tram tracks run along the road, as they do on
some parts of the Sheffield Supertram route? On the other hand, does
that part of road count as a tram track and hence not subject to the
usual laws of the public highway?
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Mark Goodge
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>On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:45:13 +0100, agree2...@spam.vlaad.co.uk
>(Paul Cummins) wrote:
>
>>In article <up0vd0h1nj8f9a7g0...@4ax.com>, l...@llb.me.uk
>>(Alasdair Baxter) wrote:
>>
>>> Since trams have no tax discs or number plates,
>>
>>Because they don't run on the road...
>>
>
>What about where the tram tracks run along the road, as they do on
>some parts of the Sheffield Supertram route? On the other hand, does
>that part of road count as a tram track and hence not subject to the
>usual laws of the public highway?
Where a tramline runs along the same route as a public road, the rails
are still a railway and the road is still a road. Vehicles that run on
the rails are governed by rail legislation, and vehicles that run on
the road are governed by road legislation.
Mark
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Tim
> Where a tramline runs along the same route as a public road, the rails
> are still a railway and the road is still a road. Vehicles that run on
> the rails are governed by rail legislation, and vehicles that run on
> the road are governed by road legislation.
I'm a little unclear - are you saying that the *rail* legislation applies to
*cars* when they are travelling across the rails?? :-(
Mark Goodge
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>"Mark Goodge" wrote
No - rail legislation applies to vehicles that run on rails (that is,
have steel wheels and are guided by the rails), road legislation
applies to vehicles that run on roads (that is have rubber tyres and
are steered by the driver).
Mark
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Tim
> No - rail legislation applies to vehicles that run on rails
> (that is, have steel wheels and are guided by the rails),
> road legislation applies to vehicles that run on roads
> (that is have rubber tyres and are steered by the driver).
If a tram hits a car on the same section of road/track - does it have to
have third party insurance? Will it have been exempt from speed limits?
[I don't know any rail legislation!]
Tim
> > I'm a little unclear - are you saying that the *rail* legislation
> > applies to *cars* when they are travelling across the rails??
> > :-(
> >
> Cf. level crossings.
That's a bit different, because if a car crosses a level crossing, then it
is on the tracks for a very short period of time.
However, if a car travels down a stretch of road which includes tram lines
running in the same direction (ie not at right angles, as with a level
crossing) - then the relevant legislation for itself & for a tram that comes
up behind it (say), could be much more relevant - they will be sharing the
same part of their route for a fair period of time...
Mark Goodge
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>"Mark Goodge" wrote
The tram operating company will have insurance. Trains (which includes
trams, for the purpose of the relevant legislation) don't need
individual insurance cover in the way that road vehicles do. Trains
(see previous parenthetical comment) have speed limits, but they apply
in different ways to road speed limits.
Essentially, a rail system is considered to be a unitary whole, and
the individual trains (or trams) are just parts of the overall system,
unlike on the road where each vehicle has a separate (legal)
existance. This concept applies even where the trains themselves are
run by different operators (as on mainline railways).
If you really want detailed answers to these questions, ask them in
uk.railway :-)
Mark
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Mark Goodge
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>> "Tim" wrote
It's the same general principle, though. The fact is that a rail line
and a road can coincide, with both having their own laws and
regulations, over both short stretches (such as a crossing) or over
long stretches where they follow the same route. In practice, most
tram tracks run alongside, rather than in, roads, even in urban areas.
So there isn't as much of an issue here as people seem to think.
Where the tracks do run in the road, the only real interaction that
matters is the question of priority and right of way. The Highway Code
states "Always give way to trams. Do not try to race or overtake them"
(274), but this doesn't have legal force. It is, though, illegal to
obstruct a tramway by parking in it (HC275), even if there are no
other parking restrictions in force. Tram drivers have their own
instructions, which basically amount to "watch out for lunatic car
drivers and don't piss anyone off by insisting on right of way".
Mark
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R. Mark Clayton
> Since trams have no tax discs or number plates,
Roland Perry
02:26:37 on Fri, 28 Apr 2017, R. Mark Clayton <notya...@gmail.com>
remarked:
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>nor do any other vehicles since 2014 IIRC
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