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Nick Odell
Jan 6, 2013, 8:45:02 AM1/6/13
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I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
just visit the once.
Can anybody help me here?
For the record, the context in which I'm coming to this is as follows:
Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
on some of the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
a regimented council "scheme."
If you have been, thanks for reading.
Nick
making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
just visit the once.
Can anybody help me here?
For the record, the context in which I'm coming to this is as follows:
Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
on some of the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
a regimented council "scheme."
If you have been, thanks for reading.
Nick
Robin
Jan 6, 2013, 9:15:02 AM1/6/13
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I think the difference (if any) depends on the context.
Eg for tax purposes the main distinction is that the provision of
services over and above the accommodation may turn a property business
into a trade. You may be able to use Rent-a-Room for tax purposes
either way though. And even if not the difference in tax is usually
little in practice. In your shoes I'd forget about it for now at least
but if you want to see more you could start with
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/pimmanual/pim4010.htm#IDAUAXRG
Similarly when it comes to fire safety etc. I thought much depemnded on
whether or not you would end up with an HMO which can IIRC arise with
either lodgers or B&B. See eg the learned Mr Davey's several previous
posts.
Many local authorities produce guidance on all this and, as it's
(partly) them you'd have to worry about, have you looked at what your LA
provides and asked them about it?
--
Robin
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Eg for tax purposes the main distinction is that the provision of
services over and above the accommodation may turn a property business
into a trade. You may be able to use Rent-a-Room for tax purposes
either way though. And even if not the difference in tax is usually
little in practice. In your shoes I'd forget about it for now at least
but if you want to see more you could start with
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/pimmanual/pim4010.htm#IDAUAXRG
Similarly when it comes to fire safety etc. I thought much depemnded on
whether or not you would end up with an HMO which can IIRC arise with
either lodgers or B&B. See eg the learned Mr Davey's several previous
posts.
Many local authorities produce guidance on all this and, as it's
(partly) them you'd have to worry about, have you looked at what your LA
provides and asked them about it?
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid
Mark Goodge
Jan 6, 2013, 9:55:01 AM1/6/13
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:45:02 +0000, Nick Odell put finger to keyboard and
typed:
>I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>
>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>
>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>just visit the once.
>
>Can anybody help me here?
Broadly speaking, the difference is that a lodger has your home as their
main residence, while a B&B customer is merely a visitor.
>For the record, the context in which I'm coming to this is as follows:
>Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
>on some of the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
>Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
>of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
>could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
>afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
>like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
>a regimented council "scheme."
That would probably count as B&B.
Mark
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typed:
>I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>
>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>
>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>just visit the once.
>
>Can anybody help me here?
main residence, while a B&B customer is merely a visitor.
>For the record, the context in which I'm coming to this is as follows:
>Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
>on some of the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
>Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
>of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
>could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
>afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
>like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
>a regimented council "scheme."
Mark
--
Please take my short survey on the Leveson Report:
http://goodge.eu/ak
Chris R
Jan 6, 2013, 10:15:16 AM1/6/13
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>I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>
>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>
>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>just visit the once.
>
>Can anybody help me here?
>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>
>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>
>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>just visit the once.
>
>Can anybody help me here?
>For the record, the context in which I'm coming to this is as follows:
>Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
>on some of the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
>Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
>of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
>could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
>afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
>like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
>a regimented council "scheme."
There is rarely any point in attempting to find a legal definition of terms
>Retirement isn't that far away and I'm thinking about ways of passing
>on some of the knowledge and skills I've accumulated over the years.
>Something like U3A though not necessarily directly under the auspices
>of U3A. Doing this for free isn't really a problem and local people
>could come and go at will but there could be people who live further
>afield who might like to visit for weekends, weeks or longer and I'd
>like to think that accepting them as paying guests didn't hurl me into
>a regimented council "scheme."
in general, without a legal context. The same term can have different
meanings for different legal purposes. You need to look at the particular
legislation (or in some instances, cases) applying to the legal situation
you are contemplating. In some cases, you will find that the law does not in
fact use the terms you have been worrying about.
--
Chris R
Nick Odell
Jan 6, 2013, 1:05:09 PM1/6/13
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 14:55:01 +0000, Mark Goodge
<use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:45:02 +0000, Nick Odell put finger to keyboard and
>typed:
>
>>I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
>>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>>
>>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>>
>>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>>just visit the once.
>>
>>Can anybody help me here?
>
>Broadly speaking, the difference is that a lodger has your home as their
>main residence, while a B&B customer is merely a visitor.
Is there a difference between the common usage and the legal usage of
<use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:45:02 +0000, Nick Odell put finger to keyboard and
>typed:
>
>>I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
>>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>>
>>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>>
>>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>>just visit the once.
>>
>>Can anybody help me here?
>
>Broadly speaking, the difference is that a lodger has your home as their
>main residence, while a B&B customer is merely a visitor.
these terms? I've been a lodger when I've been working away from my
main residence and local councils put homeless people into B&Bs making
that accommodation their only residence.
Nick
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Percy Picacity
Jan 6, 2013, 2:40:02 PM1/6/13
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would be easier to say it was not a B & B but just incidental use of a
family home. I don't know if this would work legally, but it would be
easier to stay below the radar.
--
Percy Picacity
Lordgnome
Jan 6, 2013, 4:45:02 PM1/6/13
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On 06/01/2013 19:40, Percy Picacity wrote:
>
>> Is there a difference between the common usage and the legal usage of
>> these terms? I've been a lodger when I've been working away from my
>> main residence and local councils put homeless people into B&Bs making
>> that accommodation their only residence.
>>
>> Nick
>
> In practice, if you only had one or possibly two lodgers at a time it
> would be easier to say it was not a B & B but just incidental use of a
> family home. I don't know if this would work legally, but it would be
> easier to stay below the radar.
>
>
Staying under the radar is not bad advice. The problems (depending upon
>
>> Is there a difference between the common usage and the legal usage of
>> these terms? I've been a lodger when I've been working away from my
>> main residence and local councils put homeless people into B&Bs making
>> that accommodation their only residence.
>>
>> Nick
>
> In practice, if you only had one or possibly two lodgers at a time it
> would be easier to say it was not a B & B but just incidental use of a
> family home. I don't know if this would work legally, but it would be
> easier to stay below the radar.
>
>
local circumstances) is that by declaring your self a B&B you may be
required to join the tourist board, have inspections made, carry out
fire risk assessments, third party insurance etc. and even (in my case)
have your water regularly analysed as we use our own supply. All these
things add up in the end to quite a lot of cash and it was all of that
which decided we would not bother any more.
Les.
tim.....
Jan 6, 2013, 6:40:03 PM1/6/13
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"Mark Goodge" <use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:483je8laen0jnd25a...@news.markshouse.net...
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:45:02 +0000, Nick Odell put finger to keyboard and
> typed:
>
>>I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
>>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>>
>>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>>
>>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>>just visit the once.
>>
>>Can anybody help me here?
>
> Broadly speaking, the difference is that a lodger has your home as their
> main residence, while a B&B customer is merely a visitor.
really?
> typed:
>
>>I'm finding it quite difficult to determine the difference between
>>making your home available to a lodger and making your home available
>>for bed and breakfast. And what is a paying guest?
>>
>>Taking in a lodger seems very casual (if you register for the Rent a
>>Room scheme, the tax is easy too) yet a lodger can be someone who
>>stays in your home for years or someone who only comes to stay every
>>second Tuesday or once in a blue moon. Or I suppose, just the once.
>>
>>Bed and breakfast seems more formal, with the necessity to register
>>with the local council, food and fire regulations etc yet a bed and
>>breakfast guest could stay in your home for months, visit regularly or
>>just visit the once.
>>
>>Can anybody help me here?
>
> Broadly speaking, the difference is that a lodger has your home as their
> main residence, while a B&B customer is merely a visitor.
I would have thought that a sizable percentage of lodgers are of the
"working away from home for a few months" variety. (Lodging is the pits as
a "main home".)
I have certainly done this.
tim
Nick Leverton
Jan 6, 2013, 8:00:04 PM1/6/13
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In article <M8mGs.800666$g62.5...@fx06.am4>,
If the lodging is incidental to the tuition as t'other Nick suggested,
does that change things ?
Nick
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does that change things ?
Nick
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