A list of barristers

[TTman]

Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my
G'daughter is being told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister,
yet working as a chef...

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[billy bookcase]

"TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:upekp6$1noll$1...@dont-email.me...

> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my G'daughter is being
> told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister, yet working as a chef...

Just because she qualified as a barrister wouldn't necessarily guarentee
her sufficient work to live on, if any. So she might find she can earn more
as a chef to simply pay the rent, until a vacancy arises.



Each of the Four Inns of Court issue lists of newly qualifies barristers each year

Sample links

https://www.innertemple.org.uk/news/inner-temple-new-silks-2023/.

https://www.lincolnsinn.org.uk/news/lincolns-inn-new-silks-2022/

https://www.graysinn.org.uk/news/silk-appointments-2023/

https://www.middletemple.org.uk/news/new-silk-appointments


bb

[billy bookcase]

"billy bookcase" <bi...@anon.com> wrote in message news:upemka$1o2k7$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> "TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:upekp6$1noll$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my G'daughter is being
>> told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister, yet working as a chef...
>
> Just because she qualified as a barrister wouldn't necessarily guarentee
> her sufficient work to live on, if any. So she might find she can earn more
> as a chef to simply pay the rent, until a vacancy arises.
>
>
>
> Each of the Four Inns of Court issue lists of newly qualifies barristers each year
>
> Sample links
>

PLEASE IGNORE THE FOLLIWING LINKS WHICH ARE FOR KINGS COUNSEL

( I just knew it was to good to last )

Back to the drawing board

[JNugent]

I remember reading (admittedly some years ago, but not all that many),
that certain cohorts of barristers were earning less than £10,000 pa
from that activity. This at a time when average pay in the UK was more
like £20,000 - £25,000.

[Simon Parker]

On 31/01/2024 23:23, TTman wrote:
> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my
> G'daughter is being told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister,
> yet working as a chef...

The Bar Standard's Board (BSB) maintains The Barristers' Register which
you can access here:

https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/for-the-public/search-a-barristers-record/the-barristers-register.html

It is probably useful to clarify precisely what is meant by the term
"barrister" though as there may be some confusion.

The term 'barrister' applies to anyone who has been Called to the Bar in
England and Wales.

However, to offer a full range of legal services a barrister must also
be authorised to practise and only barristers authorised to practise are
recorded on the Barristers' Register linked above.

Barristers who are not authorised to practise are allowed to provide a
more limited range of legal services but they must not refer to
themselves as barristers in doing so.

So it is possible to be a 'barrister' (in that one has been Called to
the Bar) without being able to refer to oneself as a barrister (because
one is not authorised to practise).

Your grand-daughter would do well to ask in which year their colleague
was called to the bar and at which Inn of Court the call ceremony took
place.

A search on "Monika Juneja" plus "barrister" should lead you to an
interesting tale and serve as a warning to your relative's work
colleague as a little lie can grow into a big lie if one is not careful
and whilst the little lie might seem harmless, the big lie can result in
a prison sentence.

Then there's this article in today's news about a "Legal Scammer" (BBC's
phrase, not mine) who appears to have a law degree but has not gone on
to qualify as either a solicitor or barrister and yet has taken
thousands of pounds from clients promising "award-winning legal
services" whilst inventing court hearings, faking documents (including
certificate of divorce) and referencing a non-existent social worker.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68141649

The issue has serious implications as he told one of his clients that
they'd had a favourable outcome in the Family Court and he had been
awarded additional contact with his daughter so he kept her for an
additional night. The client has subsequently been contacted by the
Family Court and informed he is in breach of a court order which harms
his case and puts him at risk of a gaol sentence.

Regards

S.P.

[billy bookcase]

"JNugent" <jnug...@mail.com> wrote in message news:l215v2...@mid.individual.net...

> On 31/01/2024 11:54 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
>
>> "TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:upekp6$1noll$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>>> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my G'daughter is being
>>> told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister, yet working as a chef...
>>
>> Just because she qualified as a barrister wouldn't necessarily guarentee
>> her sufficient work to live on, if any. So she might find she can earn more
>> as a chef to simply pay the rent, until a vacancy arises.

>> bb

< snip >

>
> I remember reading (admittedly some years ago, but not all that many), that certain
> cohorts of barristers were earning less than £10,000 pa from that activity. This at a
> time when average pay in the UK was more like £20,000 - £25,000.

Becoming a barrister can work out very expensive.

First get a Law Degree,

Then join one of the Four Inns of Court which you need
to do to take the Bar Exams. Study and Pass the Bar
Exams, and then get called to the Bar.

This makes you a barrister but doesn't allow you to practice.

To do this you need to serve a puppilage a year or two of
practical experience usually in a barrister's chambers, As
in Rumpole this is a group of self governing independent
barristers who share the same rooms/offices and barrister's
clerk. Unlike Rumpole these can be anywhere. Not just in
London but even Up North, I believe

As in Rumpole the pupil barrister will wear a wig and gown
in Court take notes etc for minimal pay.

Vacancies for puppilages are highly competitive as not all
chambers are looking to recruit not that there's necessarily
any guarantee of being taken on if people refuse to retire
(Rumpole again) and can often depend on contacts.

After serving your time you then get a certificate.

After all that, having scraped into some chambers a junior
legal aid barrister might spend more money, travelling to and
from Court on a case which is being constantly put back, *
than they will eventually earn as a fee. And that's before
the clerk takes his cut

So the OPs barrister-chef might be still looking for, or saving
up to finance their puppilage, or having done that may be looking
for a vacancy in their specialised field. Maybe catering Law

bb

Maybe worth a read

*
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/17/the-inside-story-of-two-trials-its-as-bad-as-ive-ever-known-it

[TTman]

That's an excellent reply...and many thanks!. When is a barrister not a
barrister ??? That I found surprising.I'll check out the Monika link and
I read the BBC bit this morning.....

[Owain Lastname]

On Wednesday 31 January 2024 at 23:23:25 UTC, TTman wrote:
> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my
> G'daughter is being told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister,
> yet working as a chef...

Got to ask ...

she doesn't mean barista does she?

Owain

[Pamela]

After getting though those stages, most barristers end up self-employed
and income will rely on demand. I imagine some will not be as busy as
they would like.

<https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/98104/is-there-any-particular-
reason-why-barristers-have-to-be-self-employed-or-is-it>

https://shorturl.at/uELTX

[TTman]

On 01/02/2024 16:01, billy bookcase wrote:
> "JNugent" <jnug...@mail.com> wrote in message news:l215v2...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 31/01/2024 11:54 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
>>
>>> "TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:upekp6$1noll$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>>> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my G'daughter is being
>>>> told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister, yet working as a chef...
>>>
>>> Just because she qualified as a barrister wouldn't necessarily guarentee
>>> her sufficient work to live on, if any. So she might find she can earn more
>>> as a chef to simply pay the rent, until a vacancy arises.
>>> bb
>
> < snip >
>>
>> I remember reading (admittedly some years ago, but not all that many), that certain

>> cohorts of barristers were earning less than Ł10,000 pa from that activity. This at a
>> time when average pay in the UK was more like Ł20,000 - Ł25,000.

Very good, Thx. So the minimum needed to call one's self a barrister
is :- get the law degree, then pass the bar exams. Uphill from there...

[TTman]

Maybe... she's not the brightest star in the sky...I'll ask :)

[billy bookcase]

"TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:upilia$2j9pr$2...@dont-email.me...

> On 01/02/2024 20:28, Owain Lastname wrote:
>> On Wednesday 31 January 2024 at 23:23:25 UTC, TTman wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my
>>> G'daughter is being told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a barrister,
>>> yet working as a chef...
>>
>>
>> Got to ask ...
>>
>> she doesn't mean barista does she?
>>
>> Owain
>>
>>
> Maybe... she's not the brightest star in the sky...I'll ask :)

It's a bit late now !


bb

[Roger Morton]

In <upekp6$1noll$1...@dont-email.me>, TTman wrote:

> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my
> G'daughter is being told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a
> barrister, yet working as a chef...
>

Um, a barista might be a more likely sideline for a chef?

--
Roger Morton
ro...@chez-morton.com

[billy bookcase]

"Pamela" <uk...@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote in message
news:XnsB10C5DF3...@135.181.20.170...

When I get the chance I'm going to check out Margaret Thatcher.
In those days presumably a Law Degree wasn't necessary -
MT did chemistry but she definitely passed the Bar Exams.
( As did Alan Clarke, after many attempts ISTR )
This was literally to fill in the time while nurturing the twins.
She was called to the Bar and apparently specialised in tax law.
Given the timeline it seems improbable she had enough time to do
a pupillage but may have gained employment with a firm of
accountants based simply on her evident knowledge of tax law.

The answer is as before with solicitors really. The barrister's
first responsibility is to the client, Being self employed means
there is no possibility of any other loyalty intruding.


bb

[TTman]

Definitely... Chinese whisper... G daughter told the wife, the wife told
me I won't ask who tolled the bell duh
I've asked the GD to clarify, but no answer yet. I suspect I already
know... :(

[TTman]

On 03/02/2024 00:03, TTman wrote:
> On 02/02/2024 17:46, Roger Morton wrote:
>> In <upekp6$1noll$1...@dont-email.me>, TTman wrote:
>>
>>>    Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my
>>>   G'daughter is being told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a
>>>   barrister, yet working as a chef...
>>>
>>
>> Um, a barista might be a more likely sideline for a chef?
>>
>> --
>> Roger Morton
>> ro...@chez-morton.com
>>
> Definitely... Chinese whisper... G daughter told the wife, the wife told
> me I won't ask who tolled the bell duh
> I've asked the GD to clarify, but no answer yet. I suspect I already
> know... :(
>

So, I finally got the GD to tell me that the GF was in fact a Barista,
qualified to make cappuccinos... Note to self, don't listen to 2nd/3rd
hand information as it could result in chinese whispers.
Thanks to all who relplied. I have now learnt what I need to do if I
want to become a KC.

[billy bookcase]

"TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uqbhq4$15a3m$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 03/02/2024 00:03, TTman wrote:
>> On 02/02/2024 17:46, Roger Morton wrote:
>>> In <upekp6$1noll$1...@dont-email.me>, TTman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there such a thing? If so, where would I find it. I suspect my
>>>> G'daughter is being told porkies when a 'friend' says shes a
>>>> barrister, yet working as a chef...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Um, a barista might be a more likely sideline for a chef?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Roger Morton
>>> ro...@chez-morton.com
>>>
>> Definitely... Chinese whisper... G daughter told the wife, the wife told me I won't
>> ask who tolled the bell duh
>> I've asked the GD to clarify, but no answer yet. I suspect I already know... :(
>>
> So, I finally got the GD to tell me that the GF was in fact a Barista, qualified to
> make cappuccinos...

So Starbucks or Costa ?


bb

..

[SH]

You mean Sucky Starbucks or Costly Costa? :-D

[TTman]

>>>>
>>> Definitely... Chinese whisper... G daughter told the wife, the wife told me I won't
>>> ask who tolled the bell duh
>>> I've asked the GD to clarify, but no answer yet. I suspect I already know... :(
>>>
>> So, I finally got the GD to tell me that the GF was in fact a Barista, qualified to
>> make cappuccinos...
>
> So Starbucks or Costa ?
>

Given my GD said she's working as a chef, I guess neither...

[billy bookcase]

"TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uqe8fn$1o8oc$1...@dont-email.me...

>
>>>>>
>>>> Definitely... Chinese whisper... G daughter told the wife, the wife told me I won't
>>>> ask who tolled the bell duh
>>>> I've asked the GD to clarify, but no answer yet. I suspect I already know... :(
>>>>
>>> So, I finally got the GD to tell me that the GF was in fact a Barista, qualified to
>>> make cappuccinos...
>>
>> So Starbucks or Costa ?
>>
> Given my GD said she's working as a chef, I guess neither...

Indeed, but where did she qualify as a barrista ?


bb

[TTman]

No idea TBH.I don't think it matters. She could have received 10 mins
training in a cafe...

[Sam Plusnet]

On 15-Feb-24 0:00, TTman wrote:
> On 12/02/2024 23:34, billy bookcase wrote:
>> "TTman" <kraken...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uqe8fn$1o8oc$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitely... Chinese whisper... G daughter told the wife, the
>>>>>> wife told me I won't
>>>>>> ask who tolled the bell duh
>>>>>> I've asked the GD to clarify, but no answer yet. I suspect I
>>>>>> already know... :(
>>>>>>
>>>>> So, I finally got the GD to tell me that the GF was in fact a
>>>>> Barista, qualified to
>>>>> make cappuccinos...
>>>>
>>>> So Starbucks or Costa ?
>>>>
>>> Given my GD said she's working as a chef, I guess neither...
>>
>> Indeed, but where did she qualify as a barrista ?
>>
>>
>> bb
>>
>>
>>
> No idea TBH.I don't think it matters. She could have received 10 mins
> training in a cafe...
>

Ten minutes! That's not long enough for a coffee break.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Brian]

You qualify as a barrister by passing the relevant exams and being ‘called
to the Bar’. You are then a Barrister. The lists are printed in the press,
as I recall the Telegraph but perhaps the Times. I bought copies when our
eldest was called.

You may never actually practice as one, many don’t. I worked with someone
who had been called to the bar, had never practiced, and worked in what
was, in simple terms, the legal aspects of contracts etc. for a major
Company.



At least initially, they are members of one of the Inns of Court. I’m not
sure if they can remain members if not practicing but the title is for
life, at far as I know.