uk.jobs.d -- should it be removed?
Wm...
but it would be useful if replies appeared in both groups.
uk.jobs.d appears to mainly be unused. I can only see one on-topic
thread since early January, that thread started with
===
Newsgroups: uk.jobs.d
Subject: Expense Policy
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:42:42 +0000
Message-ID: <39cb68F...@individual.net>
===
and received sensible responses so it appears some people are following
the group.
My question is mainly to the people that are following uk.jobs.d and it
is this:
do you still see a need for the group?
I am wondering if its existence is preventing people from finding a
better group (I am not sure which, but hopefully one with a higher S/N
ratio) in which to discuss jobs in the uk.
My intention is not to get rid of the group regardless and I won't RFD
its removal if we get sensible responses saying it should stay.
--
Wm ...
Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days from date of posting
Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]
tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk "Wm..." wrote:
This was once a relatively well-used group. Another poster and I tried to
ensure that we did not get loads of spammers and thought we had gone through
the correct procedures but were warned off by Control.
With no-one *keeping an eye* on it, it only seems to attract spam.
I don't think people understand what *.d means.
--
JanieB
"I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because they sometimes take a rest."
[Alexandre Dumas (fils)]
Will
Ja...@braincell.dsl.co.uk says...
>
>
> This was once a relatively well-used group. Another poster and I tried to
> ensure that we did not get loads of spammers and thought we had gone through
> the correct procedures but were warned off by Control.
>
> With no-one *keeping an eye* on it, it only seems to attract spam.
>
> I don't think people understand what *.d means.
>
>
you'd be good enough to explain?
--
Regards,
Will.
Dave Fawthrop
Clearly a side effect of a successful Economic Policy, and low unemployment
rate. Should the economy nose dive after this election, or at any time
in the future, uk.jobs.d will IMO be well used again.
--
Dave F
If you do not vote,
you will get the polititians you deserve.
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Will <not...@no.way.com>
>In article <20050503.07...@braincell.dsl.co.uk>,
>Ja...@braincell.dsl.co.uk says...
>> I don't think people understand what *.d means.
> Well, I have to admit that I don't, but I am curious... Perhaps
>you'd be good enough to explain?
.d usually indicates "for discussion"
the newsgroups line for the group in question is
===
uk.jobs.d Discussion of jobs related issues
===
Wm...
uk.net.news.config "Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]"
<Ja...@braincell.dsl.co.uk>
[possible RFD for removal of uk.jobs.d]
>This was once a relatively well-used group. Another poster and I tried to
>ensure that we did not get loads of spammers and thought we had gone through
>the correct procedures but were warned off by Control.
Would you explain what you mean, please? I don't understand what
procedure you could have gone through to stop spammers or what Control
had to do with it?
The question remains: does anyone still see a need for the group and is
job related discussion taking place in other (relatively specific)
places?
Chris Croughton
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
> Tue, 3 May 2005 08:45:55 <20050503.07...@braincell.dsl.co.uk>
> uk.net.news.config "Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]"
> <Ja...@braincell.dsl.co.uk>
>
> [possible RFD for removal of uk.jobs.d]
>
>>This was once a relatively well-used group. Another poster and I tried to
>>ensure that we did not get loads of spammers and thought we had gone through
>>the correct procedures but were warned off by Control.
>
> Would you explain what you mean, please? I don't understand what
> procedure you could have gone through to stop spammers or what Control
> had to do with it?
And who as Control? It wasn't me, I haven't even looked at the group,
so it must have been well over a year ago (we were functioning with only
Deputy Control for quite a while).
(If they were posting cancels for spam that would indeed be against the
rules of uk.*, and probably of their ISP as well, retro-moderation is
not permitted. That's the only sort of 'procedure' I can think of to
stop spam...)
> The question remains: does anyone still see a need for the group and is
> job related discussion taking place in other (relatively specific)
> places?
Or at all? It seems to be a 'legacy' group, neither it nor the .wanted
and .offered groups have charters. Are any of them used? (I would
expect any RFD for removing uk.jobs.d to be crossposted to the .wanted
and .offered groups as well.)
Chris C
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Chris Croughton <ch...@keristor.net>
[I think uk.jobs.d should be retained in the xp]
That is why I am approaching this in a conversational rather than "die
group die" way.
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Dave Fawthrop <hyp...@hyphenologist.co.uk>
Wm:
>| My question is mainly to the people that are following uk.jobs.d and it
>| is this:
>|
>| do you still see a need for the group?
>|
>| I am wondering if its existence is preventing people from finding a
>| better group (I am not sure which, but hopefully one with a higher S/N
>| ratio) in which to discuss jobs in the uk.
>|
>| My intention is not to get rid of the group regardless and I won't RFD
>| its removal if we get sensible responses saying it should stay.
>
>Clearly a side effect of a successful Economic Policy, and low unemployment
>rate.
Possibly, but nothing to do with a group not being used and becoming a
junk sewer. A quick check suggests discussion is happening in the other
uk.jobs.* groups.
> Should the economy nose dive after this election, or at any time
>in the future, uk.jobs.d will IMO be well used again.
Possibly. As you can read above I am not in a rush to remove the group.
It is also the only .d group in uk.* (although another is being
discussed) and it may be that the time for .d groups in uk.* has passed
if new people don't know what they are for and therefore won't find them
(or in this case it).
P.S. I won't continue the politicised discussion, DaveF, and hope you
will stick to the question of whether the group should be RFD for
removal or not.
Will
spam.me.uk says...
> It is also the only .d group in uk.* (although another is being
> discussed) and it may be that the time for .d groups in uk.* has passed
> if new people don't know what they are for and therefore won't find them
> (or in this case it).
Hi Wm.,
thanks for explaining the .d meaning, in an earlier post. I
responded to this post rather than the other one, due to your mention of
"new people" above.
I have been using newsgroups for something like seven or eight
years, so don't consider myself "new". Although I have probably only
made a couple of hundred posts in that time - using a number of
different posting accounts over the years - I must have read millions of
posts. So it isn't only "new" users who are ignorant :-).
I only subscribed to the uk.jobs.* groups last week, as I am on the
lookout for pastures new. Had I been reading the groups for a little
longer, I would probably have found the answer, without asking the
question...
As you have noted previously, I had noticed that there isn't much
worthwhile activity in here.
--
Regards,
Will.
Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]
tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk "Wm..." wrote:
Perhaps the fact that you have brought this up may encourage people to use
it again.
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Wm... <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk>
[Jane replied by e-mail but has said she meant it to be public, I am
quoting all of her e-mail]
Wm:
>> Would you explain what you mean, please? I don't understand what
>> procedure you could have gone through to stop spammers or what Control
>> had to do with it?
Jane:
>We're going back to 1997 here and I can't remember exactly what the procedure
>was. But it resulted in Ian Jennings and I posting a weekly charter for the
>group every Monday from 1998 until 2002. We also advised advertisers (if
>they had a return email address) of their error. In 2002 we were informed
>by someone from UNNC that what we were doing was wrong and we ceased.
Oh, how unfortunate. I can't see why what you and IanJ were doing was
wrong (but see below).
>Since then the group has died helped along by one particular poster who
>managed to upset other posters and continually urged people to join kleeneze.
:(
>> The question remains: does anyone still see a need for the group and is
>> job related discussion taking place in other (relatively specific)
>> places?
>
>There is some discussion in uk.jobs.fortyplus, but again this was mostly
>killed off by the same person.
>
>If you google using *charter*, *janieb* and *ian jennings* you will find
>stuff relating to this. The procedure we went through is no longer there.
>It wasn't carried over to google when they took over deja. I no longer
>have the emails as I lost all my saved emails when my computer crashed. It
>was a long time ago.
OK, I think I see what happened now. Correct me if I am wrong.
The charter you (plural) were posting was either a "legacy" charter or
one you had made up yourselves but that had not been passed formally
under the post "legacy" regime, I think the latter more likely as the
first record I can find is:
===
From: Ian Jennings <i...@microwaredata.co.uk>
Subject: Charter - please read before posting
Date: 2000/01/23
Message-ID: <388B20C7...@microwaredata.co.uk>#1/1
Newsgroups: uk.jobs.d
===
"Someone" pointed out that there wasn't a formal charter recorded for
uk.jobs.d so you thought, "oops, we aren't allowed to do this so we
should stop" what you should have done was post the made up charter as
an FAQ as there has been resistance to re-chartering legacy groups.
>I think the group would be viable again if people used it properly. The fact
>that it's empty doesn't help. It's a bit like people not going into a pub
>if there are no cars outside because passers by don't think it's patronised.
Yes, and as I hope I have made clear I will only RFD for its removal if
it remains unused.
Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]
tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk "Wm..." wrote:
> Tue, 3 May 2005 08:45:55 <20050503.07...@braincell.dsl.co.uk>
> uk.net.news.config "Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]"
> <Ja...@braincell.dsl.co.uk>
>
> [possible RFD for removal of uk.jobs.d]
>
> >This was once a relatively well-used group. Another poster and I tried to
> >ensure that we did not get loads of spammers and thought we had gone through
> >the correct procedures but were warned off by Control.
>
> Would you explain what you mean, please? I don't understand what
> procedure you could have gone through to stop spammers or what Control
> had to do with it?
We're going back to 1997 here and I can't remember exactly what the procedure
was. But it resulted in Ian Jennings and I posting a weekly charter for the
group every Monday from 1998 until 2002. We also advised advertisers (if
they had a return email address) of their error. In 2002 we were informed
by someone from UNNC that what we were doing was wrong and we ceased.
Since then the group has died helped along by one particular poster who
managed to upset other posters and continually urged people to join kleeneze.
>
> The question remains: does anyone still see a need for the group and is
> job related discussion taking place in other (relatively specific)
> places?
There is some discussion in uk.jobs.fortyplus, but again this was mostly
killed off by the same person.
If you google using *charter*, *janieb* and *ian jennings* you will find
stuff relating to this. The procedure we went through is no longer there.
It wasn't carried over to google when they took over deja. I no longer
have the emails as I lost all my saved emails when my computer crashed. It
was a long time ago.
I think the group would be viable again if people used it properly. The fact
that it's empty doesn't help. It's a bit like people not going into a pub
if there are no cars outside because passers by don't think it's patronised.
Geoff Berrow
from "Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]" contained the following:
>> Would you explain what you mean, please? I don't understand what
>> procedure you could have gone through to stop spammers or what Control
>> had to do with it?
>
>We're going back to 1997 here and I can't remember exactly what the procedure
>was. But it resulted in Ian Jennings and I posting a weekly charter for the
>group every Monday from 1998 until 2002. We also advised advertisers (if
>they had a return email address) of their error. In 2002 we were informed
>by someone from UNNC that what we were doing was wrong and we ceased.
Doesn't ring any bells and I can't see how anyone could stop you doing
that. And from what you've said I don't think I would even try. Who
told you to stop?
--
Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Will <not...@no.way.com>
> I only subscribed to the uk.jobs.* groups last week, as I am on the
>lookout for pastures new. Had I been reading the groups for a little
>longer, I would probably have found the answer, without asking the
>question...
>
> As you have noted previously, I had noticed that there isn't much
>worthwhile activity in here.
I've waited a few days on purpose. Have you found another group that is
more appropriate or better?
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Geoff Berrow <blth...@ckdog.co.uk>
>I noticed that Message-ID: <20050505.09...@braincell.dsl.co.uk>
>from "Jane Boulton [Remove BRAINCELL to Reply]" contained the following:
>
>>> Would you explain what you mean, please? I don't understand what
>>> procedure you could have gone through to stop spammers or what Control
>>> had to do with it?
>>
>>We're going back to 1997 here and I can't remember exactly what the procedure
>>was. But it resulted in Ian Jennings and I posting a weekly charter for the
>>group every Monday from 1998 until 2002. We also advised advertisers (if
>>they had a return email address) of their error. In 2002 we were informed
>>by someone from UNNC that what we were doing was wrong and we ceased.
>
>
>Doesn't ring any bells and I can't see how anyone could stop you doing
>that. And from what you've said I don't think I would even try. Who
>told you to stop?
It isn't clear to me that it was Control (as we understand the role in
unn.*).
Google seems to suggest they (people taking good care of ujd) may simply
have been bullied into giving up.
Does anyone know offhand who was Control in 2002?
Andrew Hodgson
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>note: this is cross posted to unnc and ujd, no follow-ups have been set
>but it would be useful if replies appeared in both groups.
>
>uk.jobs.d appears to mainly be unused. I can only see one on-topic
>thread since early January, that thread started with
>===
>Newsgroups: uk.jobs.d
>Subject: Expense Policy
>Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:42:42 +0000
>Message-ID: <39cb68F...@individual.net>
>===
>and received sensible responses so it appears some people are following
>the group.
I followed most of the jobs groups except for the fortyplus one,
however, in the .d group was a load of air (i.e no posts) and in most
of the others were adverts from agencies, most of which were in
several formats, most giving no return email and wanting you to go to
their website for more info. I stopped subscription in around Jul
2004.
Thanks.
Andrew.
--
Andrew Hodgson in Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK.
My Email: use <andrew at hodgsonfamily dot org>.
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk "Wm..." wrote:
> Sat, 7 May 2005 09:21:51 <4iuo711t8kuhuqau4...@4ax.com>
> uk.net.news.config Geoff Berrow <blth...@ckdog.co.uk>
>
> >Doesn't ring any bells and I can't see how anyone could stop you doing
> >that. And from what you've said I don't think I would even try. Who
> >told you to stop?
>
> It isn't clear to me that it was Control (as we understand the role in
> unn.*).
>
> Google seems to suggest they (people taking good care of ujd) may simply
> have been bullied into giving up.
>
> Does anyone know offhand who was Control in 2002?
The person who e-mailed JanieB and hinted that she (and IJ) should cease
and desist was Charles. At my suggestion, she had contacted him and
asked about raising an RFD for uk.*.d, to make clear to the unwashed
hoardes that had arrived just what was the significance of *.d in any and
every hierarchy.
Inter alia, she had described how she and IJ were "patrolling" the group
to try to keep the agencies from dumping their entire databases therein
(ISTR that she also conversed with Andrew Gierth about the premise that
such agency posts are really cancellable spam, in that their common
substantive content is to advertise the agency, rather than any
particular job). I did suggest to her that she ought to "fight her
corner" over this matter, but it was at this time that she had a HDD
failuer and needed to build a new computer from scratch, and had lost all
the earlier correspondence, and therefore lost heart.
(Incidentally, until this current thread, I had never realized that
uk.jobs.d was the sole representative in uk.* of the concept of a .d
discussion group: they were so familiar to me in multiple hierarchies
over 10--15 years that I had thought that they were totally commonplace.)
--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} b...@dsl.co.uk
"Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu
le loisir de la faire plus courte."
Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657
Wm...
uk.net.news.config Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <b...@dsl.co.uk>
>On Saturday, in article <H7gwXKRUiTfCFw4w@[127.0.0.1]>
> tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk "Wm..." wrote:
>> It isn't clear to me that it was Control (as we understand the role in
>> unn.*).
>>
>> Google seems to suggest they (people taking good care of ujd) may simply
>> have been bullied into giving up.
>>
>> Does anyone know offhand who was Control in 2002?
>
>The person who e-mailed JanieB and hinted that she (and IJ) should cease
>and desist was Charles.
Presumably because what they were posting as a charter wasn't official
as I guessed earlier.
[snip informative stuff and a sad tale]
>(Incidentally, until this current thread, I had never realized that
>uk.jobs.d was the sole representative in uk.* of the concept of a .d
>discussion group: they were so familiar to me in multiple hierarchies
>over 10--15 years that I had thought that they were totally commonplace.)
I was surprised when I discovered that too, it may also explain why
people who don't wander outside of uk.* don't know what it means.
Thanks for the history, bhk. I'll wait until next w/e and unless
something changes in the group I think I'll RFD for removal.
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
<3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>
creaki...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk "Jaques d'Alltrades"
wrote:
> The message <8PT+q2NfWQeCFwFB@[127.0.0.1]>
> from "Wm..." <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> contains these words:
>
> > It is also the only .d group in uk.* (although another is being
> > discussed) and it may be that the time for .d groups in uk.* has passed
> > if new people don't know what they are for and therefore won't find them
> > (or in this case it).
>
> I've been posting to Usenet for more than nine years and this is the
> first time I've even noticed .d groups.
A quick "grep \.d$" of my active file shows:
alt.activism.d
alt.bbs.lists.d
alt.binaries.atari.d
alt.binaries.cd.genealogy.d
alt.binaries.cd.image.french.d
alt.binaries.cd.image.other.d
alt.binaries.cd.image.playstation.d
alt.binaries.cd.image.tools.d
alt.binaries.cracks.d
alt.binaries.emulators.nintendo-64.d
alt.binaries.emulators.nintendo.d
alt.binaries.gdead.d
alt.binaries.image.cd.french.d
alt.binaries.mac.cd-images.d
alt.binaries.mac.playstation.d
alt.binaries.movies.d
alt.binaries.multimedia.anime.d
alt.binaries.multimedia.d
alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica.amateur.d
alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica.d
alt.binaries.multimedia.vintage-film.d
alt.binaries.music.the-doors.d
alt.binaries.nospam.adult.female.d
alt.binaries.nospam.coed.d
alt.binaries.nospam.pst.d
alt.binaries.nospam.teenfem.d
alt.binaries.phish.d
alt.binaries.pictures.bc-series.d
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.amateur.d
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.d
alt.binaries.pictures.fashion.youth.d
alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.d
alt.binaries.sounds.aac.d
alt.binaries.sounds.d
alt.binaries.sounds.midi.d
alt.binaries.sounds.mods.d
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.d
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.french.d
alt.binaries.sounds.twinvq.d
alt.binaries.sounds.utilities.d
alt.binaries.sounds.vqf.d
alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.d
alt.binaries.warez.nt.d
alt.binaries.warez.quebec-hackers.d
alt.binaries.warez.uk.d
alt.fan.pst.d
alt.freedom.jbpe.d
alt.humor.best-of-usenet.d
alt.immersion.d
alt.music.nin.d
alt.rmgroup.d
alt.sex.escorts.ads.d
alt.sex.pictures.d
alt.sex.stories.d
alt.sex.wanted.escorts.ads.d
alt.silly.group.names.d
alt.sources.d
alt.test.d
alt.test.test.test.d
alt.tos.members.d
alt.tv.stars.d-fishel
bln.announce.fub.cs.d
bln.announce.fub.d
bln.announce.fub.zedat.d
bln.announce.hub.informatik.d
bln.announce.tub.cs.d
bln.announce.tub.zrz.d
comp.archives.msdos.d
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
comp.networks.noctools.d
comp.sources.d
de.markt.arbeit.d
de.talk.jokes.d
demon.adverts.d
demon.archives.d
demon.sales.d
fido7.nice.sources.d
fido7.spb.girls.d
fido7.su.os2.faq.d
fj.archives.d
fj.fleamarket.d
fj.jokes.d
fj.misc.inquiry.d
fj.sources.d
fr.biz.d
fr.emplois.d
fr.usenet.abus.d
hannover.uni.comp.sun.flash.d
hannover.uni.rrzn.aktuelles.d
japan.shousetsu.jisaku.d
japan.soramimi.d
ky.weather.d
nctu.ccca.ftp.d
nctu.newgroups.d
rec.humor.d
rec.humor.oracle.d
relcom.archives.d
relcom.comp.binaries.d
relcom.comp.os.os2.faq.d
relcom.comp.sources.d
relcom.postmasters.d
sanet.newsletters.d
sanet.sources.d
ucd.org.fraternity.a-phi-o.d
uk.jobs.d
uw.alt.sex.stories.d
vmsnet.sources.d
alt.binaries.sounds.radio.oldtime.d
alt.binaries.e-book.d
alt.binaries.cartoons.french.d
alt.binaries.vcd.d
alt.d3multimedia
alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica.black.d
rain.sources.d
hannet.tools.d
okinawa.sources.d
zipnews.sports.baseball.d
zipnews.sports.basketball.d
zipnews.sports.football.d
zipnews.sports.hockey.d
japan.netgames.nazonazo.d
japan.sigoto.d
hannover.mhh.mhrz.aktuelles.d
clari.hot.d
clari.web.hot.d
bcs.announce.d
kiel.kommerz.d
japan.netgames.shiritori.d
aus.tv.x-files.d
bln.announce.fub.math.d
alt.sublime.d
alt.binaries.cd.image.d
hr.rec.humor.d
alt.movies.gore-films.d
alt.binaries.d
alt.binaries.nospam.scanners-post.d
alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.french.d
alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era.d
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.spoken-word.d
alt.binaries.games.adult.d
alt.2600.hope.d
korea.binaries.d
alt.binaries.vcd.french.d
alt.binaries.svcd.french.d
alt.binaries.old.games.d
alt.binaries.sounds.ogg.d
alt.binaries.series.tv.french.d
no.alt.gullkorn.d
(As you can see, they're not exactly rare.)
> What are they?
In the main, they are sub-groups of a hierarchy in which the normal
traffic of the parent/sibling groups is NOT a place in which discussion
occurs; for example, an adverts group might be supposed to be only for
adverts; discussions about the adverts (which will usually be some sort
of meta-level) take place in a different namespace.
Some groups have an explicit ruling that an on-topic post into it MUST
have a Followup-To header to put subsequent discussion into the group
created for that traffic; see, e.g. alt.sex.stories and a.s.s.d
I AM surprised that no one has ever felt the need for any other .d groups
in uk.*; I'm sure that uk.jobs.d was created specifically because the
traffic in uk.jobs.offered and uk.jobs.wanted was expected to be so heavy
that discussions /about/ jobs and job-finding would be impossible to see
in the noise.
> <later>
[snip my response; cross-post re-instated]
Jaques d'Alltrades
from b...@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) contains these words:
> On Tuesday, in article
> <3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>
> creaki...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk "Jaques d'Alltrades"
> wrote:
> > The message <8PT+q2NfWQeCFwFB@[127.0.0.1]>
> > from "Wm..." <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> contains these words:
> >
> > > It is also the only .d group in uk.* (although another is being
> > > discussed) and it may be that the time for .d groups in uk.* has passed
> > > if new people don't know what they are for and therefore won't
> > > find them
> > > (or in this case it).
> >
> > I've been posting to Usenet for more than nine years and this is the
> > first time I've even noticed .d groups.
> A quick "grep \.d$" of my active file shows:
/snip list/
> (As you can see, they're not exactly rare.)
No, so it seems. However, if I want to look at groups, I (for the sake
of argument) put 'pens' in the search facility in our setup software,
and it tells me every group in which the consecutive letters 'pens'
appears.
If I were to go through the entire list of groups carried on the Zetnet
servers it would take for ever. So, I look for 'mushrooms', 'fungi',
'guns', etc.
If i happened to come across one with an isolated 'd' in it, it might
well not register, as I wouldn't be looking for 'd'.
> > What are they?
> In the main, they are sub-groups of a hierarchy in which the normal
> traffic of the parent/sibling groups is NOT a place in which discussion
> occurs; for example, an adverts group might be supposed to be only for
> adverts; discussions about the adverts (which will usually be some sort
> of meta-level) take place in a different namespace.
Go on...
> Some groups have an explicit ruling that an on-topic post into it MUST
> have a Followup-To header to put subsequent discussion into the group
> created for that traffic; see, e.g. alt.sex.stories and a.s.s.d
Hmmm.
> I AM surprised that no one has ever felt the need for any other .d groups
> in uk.*; I'm sure that uk.jobs.d was created specifically because the
> traffic in uk.jobs.offered and uk.jobs.wanted was expected to be so heavy
> that discussions /about/ jobs and job-finding would be impossible to see
> in the noise.
Seems reasonable.
Thanks for the explanation.
--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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Wm...
<tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk>
>Thanks for the history, bhk. I'll wait until next w/e and unless
>something changes in the group I think I'll RFD for removal.
FYI: I have submitted a RFD for the removal of uk.jobs.d and expect
we'll something in unna and here sometime next week.
Jaques d'Alltrades
> <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk>
> >Thanks for the history, bhk. I'll wait until next w/e and unless
> >something changes in the group I think I'll RFD for removal.
> FYI: I have submitted a RFD for the removal of uk.jobs.d and expect
> we'll something in unna and here sometime next week.
Was that an echo I heard?
Wm...
<3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> uk.net.news.config
Jaques d'Alltrades <creaki...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>
>The message <UlbUgkJL67jCFwa+@[127.0.0.1]>
>from "Wm..." <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> contains these words:
>> Mon, 9 May 2005 23:35:17 <NAMCZxKlW+fCFwra@[127.0.0.1]> uk.jobs.d Wm...
>> <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk>
>
>> >Thanks for the history, bhk. I'll wait until next w/e and unless
>> >something changes in the group I think I'll RFD for removal.
>
>> FYI: I have submitted a RFD for the removal of uk.jobs.d and expect
>> we'll something in unna and here sometime next week.
>
>Was that an echo I heard?
Dunno. I only posted it once but did notice I made a typo.
take your pick of:
==
expect we'll see something
===
expect something
===
expect, well, something
===
depending on your preference for elision, punctuation or correction.
Jaques d'Alltrades
from "Wm..." <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> contains these words:
> >Was that an echo I heard?
> Dunno. I only posted it once but did notice I made a typo.
> take your pick of:
> ==
> expect we'll see something
> ===
> expect something
> ===
> expect, well, something
> ===
> depending on your preference for elision, punctuation or correction.
I prefer <HHGTTG> Expect the unexpected> </HH>
Wm...
<3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> uk.jobs.d Jaques
d'Alltrades <creaki...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>
>I prefer <HHGTTG> Expect the unexpected> </HH>
Ummmm, at the moment I am expecting an RFD for the removal of uk.jobs.d
to appear in the next week or so.
If uk.jobs.d suddenly gets a life I'll happily watch for a while.
Otherwise I have no idea what you are on about.
Jaques d'Alltrades
> <3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> uk.jobs.d Jaques
> d'Alltrades <creaki...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>
> >I prefer <HHGTTG> Expect the unexpected> </HH>
> Ummmm, at the moment I am expecting an RFD for the removal of uk.jobs.d
> to appear in the next week or so.
> If uk.jobs.d suddenly gets a life I'll happily watch for a while.
> Otherwise I have no idea what you are on about.
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Wm...
>The message <6V4fcwSbhNkCFwl4@[127.0.0.1]>
>from "Wm..." <tcn...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> contains these words:
>> Sun, 22 May 2005 18:46:19
>> <3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk> uk.jobs.d Jaques
>> d'Alltrades <creaki...@foobar.zetnet.co.uk>
>
>> >I prefer <HHGTTG> Expect the unexpected> </HH>
>
>> Ummmm, at the moment I am expecting an RFD for the removal of uk.jobs.d
>> to appear in the next week or so.
>
>> If uk.jobs.d suddenly gets a life I'll happily watch for a while.
>
>> Otherwise I have no idea what you are on about.
>
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I am missing the relevance and context completely.
Perhaps you should explain what you mean from the beginning.