The IB50 Medical, What If you fit?????? What happens next ???
P
attend a future medical.... Which is a bit scary, for me with one tiny reason, Its
a first, "For me"
I have been to one before, a few actually with a friend a number of times, but as I
was asleep one night.. I suddenly began to have a horrible thought which did cross my
mind, OK ! so I'm silly not to have realized this before.. So here goes, "What if
after the medical, "whoever ie; beginning with myself" "Has the said "med" but
much later is given the result of the said medical, an "say" Is found by gaining a
lack of points, (ie; "Found fit to resume looking for work").....
My question is quite simply this, which is rather worrying for me.. When say,
said person is found fit, Is it on the day of the med (Or) does it begin the day
the recipient receives the letter informing "The said person, who is found fit"...
What I'm trying to say is
(1) When does the day of fitness begin, the day of the med or the day of informing
by letter...
"This may be a "Tricky one" !!! I know fullwell, but I'd rather know sooner,
rather than later.....?????
Worried !!!!
: - [ "An Depressed"
P
Pat Winstanley
Prodig...@HatefcukSpammers.com says...
> (1) When does the day of fitness begin, the day of the med or the day of informing
> by letter...
>
Do you mean that if you are passed as fit to work by the medical, from
when would your IB stop?
Ted Hutchinson
"P" <Prodig...@HatefcukSpammers.com> wrote in message
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> I have been sent an IB50-form recently, which I have duly completed,
asking me to
> attend a future medical.... Which is a bit scary, for me with one tiny
reason, Its
> a first, "For me"
You will find more information about the Personal Capability Assessment at
http://www.bhas.org.uk/incapacity_intro.htm where you will also find links
to the DWP booklets listing the Assessment Criteria for both Mental and
Physical tests. You sign off with the words "An Depressesed" but do not give
any further details of the grounds for you incapacity. It sometimes happens
that folk are reluctant to detail symptoms of mental illness or own up to
the fact that there is a mental health component to their problems. If you
are to be found "incapable of work" you do need to "score" all possible
points which means you should not understate the severity of you conditions.
> When say,said person is found fit, Is it on the day of the med (Or)
does it begin the day
> the recipient receives the letter informing "The said person, who is found
fit"...
It is my understanding that neither of these alternatives apply.
The assessing doctor doesn't make the decision, it is the Incapacity Benefit
Decision Maker, so the new decision based on your "capacity to work" will
apply from the Date the Decision Maker changes the current decision. You
will be informed of the change as soon as possible but it will run from the
date of the New Decision , Not from the date you saw the Assessor and Not
from the date you receive the notification.
Bill
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Hi, your post sounds like you are saying you have filled in an IB50 (this is
a sort of fitness for work form) is this correct? you mention future
medical so I an assuming you think you will need to go for a medical in the
future, this isn't always the way it works, forgive me though if I have
jumped the gun and you have already been asked to attend a medical. Lets
start at the beginning Normally in these cases you fill in the IB50 and
wait a reply from your local DSS office, a decision maker decides if you
qualify to claim Incapacity benefit, this DM might write to your doctor or
specialist, or somebody who knows how your disability effects your ability
to work, this takes approx 6-16 weeks every case is different.
In some cases if its unclear whether you are fit for work you would be asked
to attend a medical, this take approx 20/30 mins the doctor will be looking
to find your fitness level to do your normal job, mentally and physically.
the other guys on this forum will know some sites for you to visit to help
you decide your next move.
Bill
NGrobbie2003
Date: 23/04/03 12:36 GMT Daylight Time
<snipped>
In some cases if its unclear whether you are fit for work you would be asked
to attend a medical, this take approx 20/30 mins the doctor will be looking
to find your fitness level to do your normal job
<snipped>
Can I just point out that the medical isn't actually to find whether a person
is fit for work of any kind let alone the persons ability to do their normal
job.
It's actually a capability test of how a person performs in an assortment of
tasks measured against their physical and/or mental disability. It may appear
to be the same thing but there is a subtle difference in that the medical
examiner judges how you can perform certain tasks and the Decision Maker
allocates a point value to each task you can't perform fully. Once you have 15
points or more (or 9 or more on mental health grounds alone) then you are
judged to have satisfied the Personal Capability Assessment for incapacity for
work - you aren't actually judged on whether you could do any work and what
type and certainly not judged against whether you could undertake your normal
job.
Robbie
Ted Hutchinson
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> From: "Bill" billbr...@hotmail.com
> Date: 23/04/03 12:36 GMT Daylight Time
>
> <snipped>
> In some cases if its unclear whether you are fit for work you would be
asked
> to attend a medical, this take approx 20/30 mins the doctor will be
looking
> to find your fitness level to do your normal job
> <snipped>
>
> Can I just point out that the medical isn't actually to find whether a
person
> is fit for work of any kind let alone the persons ability to do their
normal
> job.
Snip > details of personal Capability Assessment<
Readers may also be interested in the changes which are currently being
considered by the SSAC http://www.ssac.org.uk/current_con/ifw_regs/index.htm
1. The proposed amendment does not include the category "he suffers from
some specific disease or bodily or mental disablement and by reason of such
disease or disablement, there would be a substantial risk to the mental or
physical health of any person if he were found capable of work".
which means in effect that should there be medical evidence showing that
finding you capable of work will cause substantial risk to your health this
will no longer count.
Prodigal Son
That you have all contributed to my good-self and future others who may be worried
about attending said possible medicals... I give thanks to you all ie; Firstly
thanks to "Pat W, Ted-H, Bill and N-Grobbie, even though (Apologies to Pat-W,) you
didn't understand the meaning of my question in whole... Special thanks to Ted for
guiding me to specific websites, re; to gaining much need and valuable info... Once
again thanks all for all your input................
Ps. I'm not sure when my med; will be exactly, but I feel a little more confident
going into an when I attend it, in the near future..... Possibly next week, hoping
for a bit longer respite..... Thanks again.........
(Keep up the good work, all)
Prodigal Son
Bill
Robbie.
The medical for Incapacity Benefit is part of an assessment to find out if
you are fit for work (This is what people do to earn money, by getting up
each morning and actually carrying out a task, they may produce something
that makes their company money - they may teach, they may even be a pool
attendant at the swimming baths etc!) - this IB50 is only linked to working,
you wouldn't
find any other medicals of this nature if you were wanting to claim the
likes of Income Support, One parent benefit etc!
The only thing you are right about is the points system, though I think were
you said 9 that should be 10 points. You seem to have contradicted yourself
in your answer. Obviously
the doctor checks your ability to complete certain tasks but only because
one has been claiming sickness benefits for a set period. When you are on
the sick you are unable to work to make a living, so the state or your
employer
pays you money for your keep, obviously if you were fit for work, you
wouldn't have received this IB50, is this becoming more clearer now?
Bill
Ted Hutchinson
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> The medical for Incapacity Benefit is part of an assessment to find out if
> you are fit for work
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/ifpa/techguides/2002/ib214_apr.pdf leads you
to a booklet describing the Personal Capability Assessment. You will see the
activities relevant to the assessment are:
. Sitting . Reaching
. Rising from sitting . Lifting and carrying
. Bending and kneeling . Vision
. Standing . Speech
. Walking . Hearing
. Walking up and down stairs . Remaining conscious
. Manual dexterity . Continence
In addition there are four mental activities:
. Completion of tasks . Coping with pressure
. Daily living . Interaction with other people
These are not directly work related activities . There could be other
circumstances which prevent someone being capable of work which are not
tested. An example could be someone whose anaphylatic reaction to printers
ink was so life threatening that being in close proximity to ink was
dangerous. It was agreed by all medical opinions that it was unsafe for this
person to be anywhere near ink, It was agreed he was effectively
unemployable but passed his PCA assessment as each of the tests could be
accomplished.
> you wouldn't
> find any other medicals of this nature if you were wanting to claim the
> likes of Income Support,
Once again I find it difficult to understand how someone who spends so much
time posting at a Disability and Social Security based website can remain so
totally ignorant of the law.
From http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/ifpa/techguides/2002/is20_apr.pdf
People who can get Income Support
Only people who are not required to actively seek work can normally claim
Income Support.
For people aged 60 or over Income Support is called Minimum Income
Guarantee.
You do not have to sign on as available for work or seek work actively if
any one of the following applies to you:
People who are incapable of work
you are incapable of work because of illness or disability. You
will usually need medical evidence of this
In order to check on your medical evidence justifying your Income Support
claim you will need to undergo a PCA assessment.
The points system for scoring a PCA assessment together with the thresholds
is set out in IB 214 linked to above. I will not repeat them here. I suspect
Bill is simply trying to wind me up.
Robbie
>From: "Bill" billbr...@hotmail.com
>Date: 24/04/03 19:55 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <7t6qa.78$1p5....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
I suggest it needs to become a bit more clearer to yourself. You're like
another poster in this NG who posts opinions disguised as facts and your
condescending manner is similar in many ways too.
You're the poster who berated a distraught father for addressing his children
as "kids" aren't you?
With regards to my original comments about scoring on mental health grounds, 9
points is where there is/are phsical disability/disabilities too. !0 points is
the threshold for mental health problems only. My "newsreader" has no preview
option for posting messages, which is a pain.
To reply by e-mail REMOVE the obvious!
Bill
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intention, can you please explain what you mean by
<snipped>
> In order to check on your medical evidence justifying your Income Support
> claim you will need to undergo a PCA assessment.
I aren't aware of IS being linked to PCA assessments.
Bill
Ted Hutchinson
>can you please explain what you mean by
>
> <snipped>
> > In order to check on your medical evidence justifying your Income
Support
> > claim you will need to undergo a PCA assessment.
>
>
> I aren't aware of IS being linked to PCA assessments.
> Bill
From Decision Makers Guide Volume 4 Chapter 20
People incapable of work
20134 People can get IS if they are
1. incapable of work1 or
2. treated as incapable of work2 or
3. treated as capable of work3 because they
3.1 became incapable of work because of misconduct or
3.2 fail without good cause to submit to treatment or
3.3 fail without good cause to observe any prescribed rules of behaviour or
4. entitled to SSP.
1 IS (Gen) Regs, Sch 1B, para 7(a); SS CB Act 92, Part XXIIA; 2 IS (Gen)
Regs, Sch 1B, para 7(b);
SS CB Act 92, s 171D; 3 IS (Gen) Regs, Sch 1B, para 7(c); SS CB Act 92, s
171E(1);
SS (IW) (Gen) Regs, reg 18(1)
Incapacity tests
20135 There are two incapacity tests: the OOT and the PCA. A person who
satisfies the relevant incapacity test is incapable of work. See DMG Chapter
13 for detailed guidance.
Bill
Bill
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understand your question. I tell them time after time to read between the
lines my only answer on this is their mothers didn't let most of them leave
home til they were in their 40's anyway come back again.
Bill