any news server techie peeps able to help?
Mike_B
maybe you can help.
I use Turnpike. When I was with Demon this was quite simple for usenet
as it uses the NEWNEWS command and this, AIUI, makes sure that you only
download news posted since a specific time/date which is set to the last
time you collected news. (I could be wrong of course)
With these NTL people it simply gives an error "NEWNEWS Command
Disabled"
This means I've been unable to use the NEWNEWS command, which is OK most
of the time but then occasionally (once every week or two) I just get
the whole load of previously downloaded articles collected all over
again. As you can imagine, this is really annoying and costs time and
money. Anyone know of a way around this? (I would call Turnpike Tech
support, but since they are also Demon Internet they may not be too keen
on helping set it up with another ISP). It has just given me every
article posted in the last month!
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Martin
> I know a couple of you out there have knowledge of this sort of thing,
> maybe you can help.
>
> I use Turnpike. When I was with Demon this was quite simple for usenet
> as it uses the NEWNEWS command and this, AIUI, makes sure that you only
> download news posted since a specific time/date which is set to the last
> time you collected news. (I could be wrong of course)
It's normally set to a minute or two before you last collected
news, then the duplicates discarded, to ensure nothing's missed.
> With these NTL people it simply gives an error "NEWNEWS Command
> Disabled"
Demon seem to be in a minority in supporting NEWNEWS these days.
> This means I've been unable to use the NEWNEWS command, which is OK most
> of the time but then occasionally (once every week or two) I just get
> the whole load of previously downloaded articles collected all over
> again. As you can imagine, this is really annoying and costs time and
> money. Anyone know of a way around this?
Sounds like your ISP is playing around with its newsspool so the
ID numbers (forgot the proper term) on the news articles are
changing.
Easy way around - move back to Demon. Still the best news
service of any ISP, imo.
> (I would call Turnpike Tech
> support, but since they are also Demon Internet they may not be too keen
> on helping set it up with another ISP). It has just given me every
> article posted in the last month!
If you've a full, registered, paid for copy of Turnpike, they'll
help you set it up with anything.
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Chris Heathcote
>Not entirely surprising as the NEWNEWS command can cause serious
>problems on older versions of INN (the main news server out there).
(fwiw I'm only (mis)quoting a current discussion on uk.net :) )
Yes, but modern versions don't have a similar problem. In fact, if you
compile with defaults, NEWNEWS is a working command these days.
c.
Martin
[snip lots of erudite stuff]
> >Easy way around - move back to Demon. Still the best news
> >service of any ISP, imo.
>
> That is debateable :)
Aside from a little glitch earlier in the year, their feed is
full (never wanted a group they don't carry), they carry a decent
numbers of daus online and it just *works*. And they seem (I
think because they're an 'old' ISP, form before the
"Internet=WWW" mindset became common) to actually be committed to
providing the service.
> Demon only support NEWNEWS correctly as, AFAIR,
> they wrote their own news server which is optimised for the
> NEWNEWS command so that they could make it easier to cluster news
> servers (from what I remember from talking to the guy who wrote it,
> it stores the message Ids for a group within that group directory
> which can lead to a much better performance.
I don't care much about the reason -it works. Though my current
newsreader doesn't use that functionality, the old one
(DISN/KA9Q) did and did so very well.
Mike_B
<mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >service of any ISP, imo.
>>
>
>Aside from a little glitch earlier in the year, their feed is
>full (never wanted a group they don't carry), they carry a decent
>numbers of daus online and it just *works*. And they seem (I
>think because they're an 'old' ISP, form before the
>"Internet=WWW" mindset became common) to actually be committed to
>providing the service.
>
Well, I guess I'll just have to put up with the problem because it isn't
so awful that I would go back to paying an ISP subscription and paying
for telephone calls to connect to them.
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Dave Williams
Well, yes. 2.3 has some fairly significant changes, among them to
the implementation of NEWNEWS ; because of some of those changes,
moving to 2.3 with some setups (NFS-based in particular) is
non-trivial. Equally, the advice in the docs for sites still using
pre-storage API INN and the traditional spool layout is to just
build a new box and feed it as easier than trying to migrate an
existing service.
(In other words, don't expect to see sites rushing to install it
necessarily. 2.3 in particular has only been around since the
tail-end of August.)
Dave
noog...@cwcom.net
wrote:
>In article <LMs0Omt287po-p...@speedsix.demon.co.uk>, Martin
><mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Simon Burr <si...@bpfh.net> wrote:
>>
>>[snip lots of erudite stuff]
>>
>>> >Easy way around - move back to Demon. Still the best news
>>> >service of any ISP, imo.
>>>
>>> That is debateable :)
>>
>>Aside from a little glitch earlier in the year, their feed is
>>full (never wanted a group they don't carry), they carry a decent
>>numbers of daus online and it just *works*. And they seem (I
>>think because they're an 'old' ISP, form before the
>>"Internet=WWW" mindset became common) to actually be committed to
>>providing the service.
>>
>
>Well, I guess I'll just have to put up with the problem because it isn't
>so awful that I would go back to paying an ISP subscription and paying
>for telephone calls to connect to them.
You could run Hamster on your machine. This would give you your own
news server which will pull from more than one external server.
Dave Williams
: In <8q0027$7re8$1...@poirot.clues.com> da...@clues.com (Dave Williams) writes:
: [Stuff about INN snipped]
: Oh ick - does this mean that there is now no way to access the
: articles directly via the file system any more in INN ? That kinda
: sucks as its sometimes hand to do a grep across a news spool when
: you're looking for that one article which you just know is in
: there... somewhere.
Nope. All the tradspool stuff is still intact. It all works fine -
I haven't played with 2.3 yet, mainly due to time. The documentation
seems to suggest that moving from the old, old overview stuff to the
newer stuff is the difficult bit.
: Let me guess, its gone 100% to a CNFS system ? I suppose it shouldn't
: surprise me as that does allow for faster news transmition. Is
: someone still taking about writing a CNFS file system so that you can
: access a CNFS spool via the traditional method ?
Nope. Everything that you could do you can still do - supposedly,
CNFS is a lot more useable for reader boxes than was previously the
case though.
: Muggins here has been out of the cutting edge stuff in news for a
: little while now.
Heh. Me too :-\
Dave
Stephen M Baines
blackpool.com> writes
>This means I've been unable to use the NEWNEWS command, which is OK most
>of the time but then occasionally (once every week or two) I just get
>the whole load of previously downloaded articles collected all over
>again. As you can imagine, this is really annoying and costs time and
>money. Anyone know of a way around this? (I would call Turnpike Tech
>support, but since they are also Demon Internet they may not be too keen
>on helping set it up with another ISP). It has just given me every
>article posted in the last month!
That was a bug with the initial Turnpike 5.00 release, and was the major
bug fix in 5.01 (my reason for downloading it). It *does* solve the
problem...
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Mike_B
<{$stephen$}@Where-the-streets-have-no-name-Can't-take-my-eyes-off-
you.kitschcamppalace.org.uk> writes
>In article <0IAyqUAA...@localhosts.net>, Mike_B <mike@gay-
>blackpool.com> writes
>
>>This means I've been unable to use the NEWNEWS command, which is OK most
>>of the time but then occasionally (once every week or two) I just get
>>the whole load of previously downloaded articles collected all over
>>again. As you can imagine, this is really annoying and costs time and
>>money. Anyone know of a way around this? (I would call Turnpike Tech
>>support, but since they are also Demon Internet they may not be too keen
>>on helping set it up with another ISP). It has just given me every
>>article posted in the last month!
>
>That was a bug with the initial Turnpike 5.00 release, and was the major
>bug fix in 5.01 (my reason for downloading it). It *does* solve the
>problem...
Thanks Stephen! I shall pop off and start downloading immediately!
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Mike_B