Livin' La Vida Poofter
Joshua Christ
19/9/99 - Livin' La Vida Poofter
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I have come under fire in my Juicy Jism Pit recently for daring to
suggest that Ricky Martin, he of the bump'n'grind MTV girlie vids and
smoochy girlie-love ballads is little more than a professional shirt-
flap lifter.
That's right, girls, Ricky likes boys.
Why he feels the need to portray himself as something other than what
he is makes him one of the saddest people on the face of the earth,
particularly when gay and lesbian youth are crying out for role models
in prominent positions so they can begin to feel that they are "normal"
like everybody else.
Pop stars have such an influence on our children, and Ricky as the
airbrushed man-of-the-moment is an ideal potential role model, but no -
he flaunts himself on television with women and alienates a whole
generation of young gay listeners, who must continually turn to
straight female singers in an attempt to find some sort of parallel
with their own lives.
Now, to add fuel to the fire, the mouthfuls of abuse hurled at me in my
net forum were from heterosexuals, waving their finger at me and
calling me a homophobe for even breaching this topic.
These same people then continued to insist that Mr Martin was not as
queer as a two-bob watch, but could produce no evidence to refute this
claim. I was accused of having a jealous crush on Mr Martin, amongst
other very silly and idiotic things, in an attempt to turn the
conversation into an all-out attack on yours truly.
But we’re getting away from the subject.
These people like to think that they are tolerant of homosexuals, but
when pricked the true ignorance of these folk oozes out like love juice
from a faulty rubber.
To quote from one participant, a bloke by the name of Cam (who
incidentally has proclaimed himself as a straight so no-one will be
confused), a member of a Canadian rock band who has the slogan "Zero
Tolerance For Homophobia" emblazoned across the entrance to their
website, had this intelligent comment to make:
"of course the only reason you say he is gay is because you are jealous
of him.. so shut the f--- up, you know nothing, you are basically
saying he should pretend to be gay so that kids can have a role model,
guess what, there are plenty of good role models so we don't have to
force people to be what they aren't, f--- you joshua"
We can surmise from this that Cam expects only those with a pink tutu
and an irritating lisp to fit into the bent category, so we should
leave the obviously butch and heterosexual Mr Martin alone.
How dare we suggest he might be a fruit?
Well, I have news for Cam and others like him - he spends all his spare
time in gay clubs and some of his "best friends are gay" which is just
a tabloid/women's mag euphemism for "bender".
Having a bit of a muff nudge in your music vid does not qualify you as
a bona fide heterosexual.
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Anna
Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> That's right, girls, Ricky likes boys.
>
*wails* oh you have just ruined my weekend :(
Anna XXXX
--
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to
become so absolutely free that our very act of
existence becomes an act of rebellion." - Albert
Camus
Anna
G.A.Radford
> In article <7s2b9p$er9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > That's right, girls, Ricky likes boys.
> >
>
> *wails* oh you have just ruined my weekend :(
Oh dear. Wait until I tell my sister. Thsi could be a VERY wet occasion
Moof - not unlike the weather round here
--
G. A. Radford, Moofing at you from Canterbury, UK.
"The Internet is not a network of computers - it is a network of humans...
we are the network, and you *will* be assimilated" - Rik van Riel
Dale
wrote:
>Why he feels the need to portray himself as something other than what
>he is makes him one of the saddest people on the face of the earth,
>particularly when gay and lesbian youth are crying out for role models
>in prominent positions so they can begin to feel that they are "normal"
>like everybody else.
Why you feel the need to 'out' someone in their personal life when he
might not feel the need to shout out "I'm a queen" (he sings songs... do
we really need to know that he takes the bournville path?) makes you the
saddest person upto date.
>Pop stars have such an influence on our children, and Ricky as the
>airbrushed man-of-the-moment is an ideal potential role model, but no -
>he flaunts himself on television with women and alienates a whole
>generation of young gay listeners, who must continually turn to
>straight female singers in an attempt to find some sort of parallel
>with their own lives.
OH NO... FLAUNTING WITH WOMEN!!! HOW DARE HE!!!
What he does in his private life has bugger all (ooppss..) to do with
you. If you don't like what he sings then turn the fucking radio off,
don't by his records and never think about him again. Oh, that's right,
free speech is only allowed if you homosexual or homofriendly.
>Now, to add fuel to the fire, the mouthfuls of abuse hurled at me in my
>net forum were from heterosexuals, waving their finger at me and
>calling me a homophobe for even breaching this topic.
Could this be because you have demanded that someone opens their life
for your scrutiny? Do you demand the same from the guy you serves you
in McDonalds? Or the bus driver? Or your postman? Would you feel
better if you had a queer postman, who explained his reasons for
shagging another guy, before he popped your mail in your mailbox?
>These same people then continued to insist that Mr Martin was not as
>queer as a two-bob watch, but could produce no evidence to refute this
>claim.
Do they have too? I didn't realise it was necessary to prove you were
straight.
>I was accused of having a jealous crush on Mr Martin, amongst
>other very silly and idiotic things, in an attempt to turn the
>conversation into an all-out attack on yours truly.
A crush... no. A stupid need to point out other gay men to make
yourself feel better... yes.
>But we’re getting away from the subject.
Who is? Oh, that's right... remove the focus from yourself and direct
it elsewhere. Have you come to terms with *your* sexuality?
>These people like to think that they are tolerant of homosexuals, but
>when pricked the true ignorance of these folk oozes out like love juice
>from a faulty rubber.
Maybe you should have a bit of tolerance for others... especially when
it comes to their private life. Singing a song doesn't mean that you
have to explain your sexual life to anyone.
>To quote from one participant, a bloke by the name of Cam (who
>incidentally has proclaimed himself as a straight so no-one will be
>confused), a member of a Canadian rock band who has the slogan "Zero
>Tolerance For Homophobia" emblazoned across the entrance to their
>website, had this intelligent comment to make:
>
>"of course the only reason you say he is gay is because you are jealous
>of him.. so shut the f--- up, you know nothing, you are basically
>saying he should pretend to be gay so that kids can have a role model,
>guess what, there are plenty of good role models so we don't have to
>force people to be what they aren't, f--- you joshua"
>
>We can surmise from this that Cam expects only those with a pink tutu
>and an irritating lisp to fit into the bent category, so we should
>leave the obviously butch and heterosexual Mr Martin alone.
Irritating lisp? I don't see that in the quote. Pink tutu? I don't
see that in the quote either. Joshua, I agree with his comments.
Including the 'fuck you'.
>How dare we suggest he might be a fruit?
How dare anyone suggest he might not be a fruit.
>Well, I have news for Cam and others like him - he spends all his spare
>time in gay clubs and some of his "best friends are gay" which is just
>a tabloid/women's mag euphemism for "bender".
Maybe he just enjoys the relaxed atmosphere... so many straight women
do, why should straight men be any different. Oh, that's right...
because they must be 'queer'. Got a shock for you... not all men are
gay... just because a guy is in a gay club doesn't make him gay. Even
if he was, it has fuck all to do with you unless you are sleeping with
him.
>Having a bit of a muff nudge in your music vid does not qualify you as
>a bona fide heterosexual.
Being in a gay club doesn't make you a bona fide homosexual. Live your
own life instead of worrying about the life's of others! (Yes, I realise
the irony of that!)
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like being in the Garden Of Eden...and having hayfever!
Do not mail me with 'abuse', use my name instead.
Iain Bowen
Anna <anna_l...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <7s2b9p$er9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's right, girls, Ricky likes boys.
>>
>
>*wails* oh you have just ruined my weekend :(
Don't worry, there is no firm evidence of this, he could still like girls,
he could like both, he could like other Ken dolls.
Iain "he's cute, but very plastic" Bowen
--
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of a twelve-gauge the next." Geoff Miller in ba.food
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Iain Bowen. in deepest B13. Also available at alaric(at)cabal.org.uk
Reeshar
wrote:
> Hi Joshua Christ (Christ? Shouldn't you be on a cross somewhere?), you
> wrote:
>
> >Why he feels the need to portray himself as something other than what
> >he is makes him one of the saddest people on the face of the earth,
> >particularly when gay and lesbian youth are crying out for role models
> >in prominent positions so they can begin to feel that they are "normal"
> >like everybody else.
>
> Why you feel the need to 'out' someone in their personal life when he
> might not feel the need to shout out "I'm a queen" (he sings songs... do
> we really need to know that he takes the bournville path?) makes you the
> saddest person upto date.
My view entirely, and it applies equally to partners who choose, for
whatever reason, not to be out at work or wherever. Yes, it can make
life hard for you - perhaps impossible for someone who's quite as open
as I am - but the right to come out or not must rest with the
individual concerned. We have no right to inflict voluntarily that
kind of (potential) ordeal on anyone.
That said, I also despise those who, having chosen to hide their
sexuality, then adopt a self-righteous attitude, turning on those of
us who choose to lead more open and honest lives.
Richard
Laurence Jupp
: Being in a gay club doesn't make you a bona fide homosexual.
Indeed not.
I've been in Manchester for a Summer School the last couple of
weeks (I have an account on their T3E and thought it might be
a good idea if I learnt how to program it :-)
and the Sunday before last, I was invited out to Canal
Street by three straight friends I met on the course. At the
time, they didn't know that I'm gay but I thought then was a
good time to tell them. After most places closed at 10:30,
two of our party returned home, but the other (a very cute
Norwegian) went with me to 'New York, New York'. (I think that
was it - I don't know Manchester at all well...)
He seemed to enjoy himself. We got talking to a couple of men
and a woman. One of the former was obviously attracted to my
friend (much to his surprise when I related the story over
breakfast the following day :-) The woman seemed to believe
that my friend and I were a couple and she was a little concerned
that I might take offence at her friend's interest. When I told
her 'I think he's probably straight.' she looked surprised
and replied 'Does he know where he is?' Rather amused me...
--
Laurence
Purple Guru
Anna <anna_l...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7s3ijj$7le$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <7s2b9p$er9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > That's right, girls, Ricky likes boys.
> >
>
> *wails* oh you have just ruined my weekend :(
>
>
He's just brightened up my weekend :)
Purple Guru
bad...@void.demon.co.uk
wrote:
>In article <7s2b9p$er9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That's right, girls, Ricky likes boys.
>>
>
>*wails* oh you have just ruined my weekend :(
>
>Anna XXXX
Awww. I know just how you feel. I was upset when they insisted Philip
Schofield was gay. I used to watch him on children's tv with my kids
and had him on my Christmas list until then.
Vicky
--
When you make your mark in the world, watch out for guys
with erasers.
JohnM
<al...@bits.bris.ac.uk> writes
>When I told
>her 'I think he's probably straight.' she looked surprised
>and replied 'Does he know where he is?' Rather amused me...
>
If you were reading uk.music.rave, you'd know that I have taken
several str8 guys and girls to gay clubs, including Trade and, most
recently, FIST (hehehe).
--
JohnM
What people write on CVs #5
"I am a quick, dependable and motivated leaner"
Web site http://www.scroll.demon.co.uk/spaver.htm
South African travelogue http://www.scroll.demon.co.uk/za.htm
ps...@hotmail.com
Laurence Jupp <al...@bits.bris.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:FID00...@bath.ac.uk...
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:45:13 BST Dale wrote:
>
> : Being in a gay club doesn't make you a bona fide homosexual.
>
> Indeed not.
>
gay men. Sometimes I get confused. Perhaps they had wandered in by mistake.
Paul
PaulS
>
> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:56:06 BST, Anna <anna_l...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <7s2b9p$er9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> That's right, girls, Ricky likes boys.
> >>
> >
> >*wails* oh you have just ruined my weekend :(
> >
> >Anna XXXX
>
> Awww. I know just how you feel. I was upset when they insisted Philip
> Schofield was gay. I used to watch him on children's tv with my kids
> and had him on my Christmas list until then.
It seems to be a qualification to work in Children's BBC as a male
presentator.
Have I said that I fancy the pants off Philip's successor, Andi Peters?
<DRRROOOOOL>
Paul S
Grégoire
miss something again?
Greg
Joshua Christ
quote from it, and still miss the point.
Dale, your post was nothing more than a pile of politically correct
shash that illustrates perfectly why homosexuals are still failing to
make any real headway in the equal rights issue of late.
> OH NO... FLAUNTING WITH WOMEN!!! HOW DARE HE!!!
>
> What he does in his private life has bugger all (ooppss..) to do with
> you. If you don't like what he sings then turn the fucking radio off,
> don't by his records and never think about him again. Oh, that's
right,
> free speech is only allowed if you homosexual or homofriendly.
That's right, otherwise we'd have nutters all over the place getting on
television and saying we should make cornish pasties out of black
people.
> Could this be because you have demanded that someone opens their life
> for your scrutiny? Do you demand the same from the guy you serves you
> in McDonalds? Or the bus driver? Or your postman? Would you feel
> better if you had a queer postman, who explained his reasons for
> shagging another guy, before he popped your mail in your mailbox?
Oh, the poor little dear. He has to open his life up for
scrutiny...he's a pop star, you idiot. He is public property whether he
likes it or not, so give us a break with the live and let live bollocks.
Why is it that if someone is homosexual and admitting it they
are "opening their life for scrutiny" but if they are straight, then
life goes on?
> Do they have too? I didn't realise it was necessary to prove you were
> straight.
Ricky's having a pretty good go with his career, wouldn't you say?
"Maria"?
"SHE'S All I Ever Had?"
And that's just the song titles.
> A crush... no. A stupid need to point out other gay men to make
> yourself feel better... yes.
>
> >But we’re getting away from the subject.
>
> Who is? Oh, that's right... remove the focus from yourself and direct
> it elsewhere. Have you come to terms with *your* sexuality?
That's extraordinarily rich coming from a paranoid closet case like
yourself.
If we reveal that Ricky is a bender, then that means it could be
anyone! The spotlight might turn onto anyone...my god! They're pointing
at you!
You, Dale, are one of these people who like to make excuses. Don't
cause too much of a fuss, we don't want to rock the boat, ad nauseum.
While other people are out there lobbying for equal rights and greater
tolerance of homosexuals, you're sitting at home thinking that it
doesn't really affect you and you don't want to get involved.
We need role models for our vulnerable youth and for Mr Martin to
remain closeted is one thing - but to portray himself so aggressively
as something that he is not is a waste.
But don't worry, we'll have it your way.
He'll have some "experience" ten years from now in a bog and be made a
fool of, or get AIDS from anonymous guilty sex and that'll make
everyone feel really good.
Nice one, Dale.
--
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James C
<paul...@NOSPAM.my-dejanews.com> writes
>Have I said that I fancy the pants off Philip's successor, Andi Peters?
Urgh. Some people just have no taste.
(*cue a couple of people now responding saying, "Yes, James, we know you
have no taste - that's why you don't fancy him."*)
--
James Coupe If you read a uk.* newsgroup, read uk.net.news.announce
Words to try and work into conversation #5:
Eirenarch.
Jamie 'Zane' Walker
<joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Dale, your post was nothing more than a pile of politically correct
>shash that illustrates perfectly why homosexuals are still failing to
>make any real headway in the equal rights issue of late.
Erm, Dale's posts are what he thinks about things, and he either
agrees or disagrees with people. he disagreed with you, and you took
it personally. Erm, let's see who exactly has the problem here. I
read both your post, and his with a *beeeeeg* pinch of salt.
Personally I don't care who Ricky Martin shags ;)
>> Do they have too? I didn't realise it was necessary to prove you were
>> straight.
>Ricky's having a pretty good go with his career, wouldn't you say?
>"Maria"?
>"SHE'S All I Ever Had?"
george Michael?
(Whoops _ Father Figure _ was a dead giveaway there...)
>We need role models for our vulnerable youth and for Mr Martin to
>remain closeted is one thing - but to portray himself so aggressively
>as something that he is not is a waste.
I'm sorry, but I do not want anyone looking like a soaped-up wank fest
to be a role model. I'd prefer to have someone *intelligent*, and
*well known* as a role model, rather that him :)
>He'll have some "experience" ten years from now in a bog and be made a
>fool of, or get AIDS from anonymous guilty sex and that'll make
>everyone feel really good.
Yup. When someone gets AIDS, it makes me feel good. Oh grief Joshua,
I hear calvary calling - don't let the cross hit you on the way out...
Z>
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Dale
>It takes a special kind of ignorant fool to read an entire commentary,
>quote from it, and still miss the point.
But it doesn't take anything special to fail at a valid argument...
which you have done quite spectacularly.
Anyway, I do see your point. We do need role models, but ones that the
individual can pick for themselves. Ricky Martin is just *****ONE*****
person. WHY should it be HIM? Give us ONE good reason why he SHOULD be
a role model more than anyone else? Just ONE... and not 'oh, he is a
pop star and public property' because that just doesn't wash.
>Dale, your post was nothing more than a pile of politically correct
>shash that illustrates perfectly why homosexuals are still failing to
>make any real headway in the equal rights issue of late.
Why? Because I don't prance around demanding that people explain their
life to me?
>> OH NO... FLAUNTING WITH WOMEN!!! HOW DARE HE!!!
>>
>> What he does in his private life has bugger all (ooppss..) to do with
>> you. If you don't like what he sings then turn the fucking radio off,
>> don't by his records and never think about him again. Oh, that's
>right,
>> free speech is only allowed if you homosexual or homofriendly.
>
>That's right, otherwise we'd have nutters all over the place getting on
>television and saying we should make cornish pasties out of black
>people.
No, instead we have nutters like you spouting the same poison that the
racists spew forward. You are a Phelps in a queers body.
>> Could this be because you have demanded that someone opens their life
>> for your scrutiny? Do you demand the same from the guy you serves you
>> in McDonalds? Or the bus driver? Or your postman? Would you feel
>> better if you had a queer postman, who explained his reasons for
>> shagging another guy, before he popped your mail in your mailbox?
>
>Oh, the poor little dear. He has to open his life up for
>scrutiny...he's a pop star, you idiot. He is public property whether he
>likes it or not, so give us a break with the live and let live bollocks.
Oh, grow up. He is not public property. Straight pop stars don't come
on stage pronouncing that they are straight so why should the gay ones
pronounce they are gay? To give you a little role model... how sweet.
>Why is it that if someone is homosexual and admitting it they
>are "opening their life for scrutiny" but if they are straight, then
>life goes on?
Er... where did you get that from... not from my post.
>> Do they have too? I didn't realise it was necessary to prove you were
>> straight.
>
>Ricky's having a pretty good go with his career, wouldn't you say?
>
>"Maria"?
>
>"SHE'S All I Ever Had?"
>
>And that's just the song titles.
Yes, that's just the song titles. They are there to entertain. Pop
stars are there to make money and they do this the best they can. Ricky
Martin wouldn't have made as much money singing about another guy.
>> Who is? Oh, that's right... remove the focus from yourself and direct
>> it elsewhere. Have you come to terms with *your* sexuality?
>
>That's extraordinarily rich coming from a paranoid closet case like
>yourself.
ROFL!!!!!!! Paranoid closet case!!!!! I'm out to *EVERYONE* at
work... even the MD and chairman knows I'm gay! All my friends know, my
family knows, most of the families of my friends know. I couldn't be
more 'out' if I tried (oh, apart from mincing around town which just
isn't my thing!).
I would be interested to know how my comment was 'extraordinarily rich'
when you know fuck all about me?
>If we reveal that Ricky is a bender, then that means it could be
>anyone! The spotlight might turn onto anyone...my god! They're pointing
>at you!
Actually, I don't like the spotlight on me, but that includes all areas
in my life, such as work etc. I'm the sort of person who likes to work
behind the scenes than up front. However, my sexuality isn't an issue
and is a facet of my life (yes, it is just a facet, not the be all and
end all) that was 'exploited' by my boss when there was some trouble
regarding some sexual harassment problems another member of staff was
having.
>You, Dale, are one of these people who like to make excuses. Don't
>cause too much of a fuss, we don't want to rock the boat, ad nauseum.
ROFL!!!! You really don't know me at all, do you. If anything, I am
the sort of person who ALWAYS rocks the boat. Take a look at my first
set of posts to this newsgroup (quite a while ago) and you will see how
much I 'don't' rock the boat... Or anyone care to tell him?
>While other people are out there lobbying for equal rights and greater
>tolerance of homosexuals, you're sitting at home thinking that it
>doesn't really affect you and you don't want to get involved.
Again, you know nothing about me. Maybe you should research what you
are talking about before you make a complete idiot out of yourself...
oh, hang on... not 'complete' as no-one is that perfect!
>We need role models for our vulnerable youth and for Mr Martin to
>remain closeted is one thing - but to portray himself so aggressively
>as something that he is not is a waste.
Why the hell should it be 'Mr Martin'. There are enough celebs out
there. I think our 'vulnerable youth' would be far safer ignoring what
you have to say.
>But don't worry, we'll have it your way.
Which would be far better than having someone, like you, telling the
youth of today who they can and can not see as a role model.
>He'll have some "experience" ten years from now in a bog and be made a
>fool of, or get AIDS from anonymous guilty sex and that'll make
>everyone feel really good.
Oh yes. I really really want to see people dying from AIDS. Yes, that
will make every day worth while. You are one sick fuck to think that my
post even contained any need to see anyone else die from AIDS.
Let me explain something to you, since you don't seem to have a clue...
People will not stop catching AIDS just because Ricky Martin admits to
being gay. If all it took was a celeb to say they were gay then there
wouldn't be any infections AT ALL. Get a grip, lad!
>Nice one, Dale.
You have a huge chip on your shoulder about Ricky Martin and this seems
to be obsessive. I would suggest you consider why you have singled out
an individual, in such a way, and what you can do you help yourself.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like being the only man on a planet of women...and being gay!
G.A.Radford
> I saw a straight couple kissing in a gay bar while on holiday, surrounded by
> gay men. Sometimes I get confused. Perhaps they had wandered in by mistake.
Or perhaps they were a couple that were both bi?
Moof- knows all to well that you can't tell people's sexuality from their looks
Joshua Christ
moose.z...@virgin.net wrote:
> Erm, Dale's posts are what he thinks about things, and he either
> agrees or disagrees with people. he disagreed with you, and you took
> it personally. Erm, let's see who exactly has the problem here. I
> read both your post, and his with a *beeeeeg* pinch of salt.
What can I say? I am passionate about my opinions. Dale responded
emotionally and in an aggressive fashion, and I replied in kind.
> george Michael?
It is precisely the George Michael situation that we should be avoiding
in this day and age - secrecy is one thing, hypocrisy is another.
When was the last time your average het kept his/her sexuality hidden?
> I'm sorry, but I do not want anyone looking like a soaped-up wank fest
> to be a role model. I'd prefer to have someone *intelligent*, and
> *well known* as a role model, rather that him :)
Well, you are an imbecile.
We need variety - the only reason you want someone intelligent is
because it is something you aspire to yourself.
> Yup. When someone gets AIDS, it makes me feel good. Oh grief Joshua,
> I hear calvary calling - don't let the cross hit you on the way out...
I'll make sure it gives you a good rogering when it does.
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Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <B67oN9NczrG75h...@4ax.com>,
> > Yup. When someone gets AIDS, it makes me feel good. Oh grief
Joshua,
> > I hear calvary calling - don't let the cross hit you on the way
out...
>
> I'll make sure it gives you a good rogering when it does.
>
"...........That was "The Road to Calvary ", adapted for radio by G.
Vdl from his book of the same name. This afternoon's play on Radio 3
features......."
John
Dale
>On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:00:35 BST, Dale <ab...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi Joshua Christ, you wrote:
>
>classic opener that.
Eh? I thought that if anyone understood what the 'attribution text' in
Turnpike was, it would be you. I generally can't be arsed changing it
from 'Hi xxxx, you wrote', and it looks better than the generic one.
>>Oh, grow up. He is not public property. Straight pop stars don't come
>>on stage pronouncing that they are straight
>
>er....
They don't all come on stage and say 'Hi, I'm straight'. If they sing a
song about the opposite sex, it isn't necessarily a comment about their
sexuality.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
(Surprised that I got more than one line from MYM)
Life is like putting your hand into a lucky dip...and pulling out a snake!
Joshua Christ
bit thin in here.
> Anyway, I do see your point. We do need role models, but ones that
the
> individual can pick for themselves. Ricky Martin is just
*****ONE*****
> person. WHY should it be HIM? Give us ONE good reason why he SHOULD
be
> a role model more than anyone else?
Glad you're seeing some sense at last.
I singled out Ricky Martin because he happens to be a celebrity in the
public spotlight at the moment for being a possible bender. It was a
way to draw attention to the fact that we need more role models.
There are PLENTY more examples I could trot out, sweetheart, but since
Mr Martin was topical I chose him as a way to get my point across.
If I'd mentioned no-one in particular, you would have berated me for
not giving an example; and seeing as I like to lead by example in my
life, I also like to give them, dear.
> No, instead we have nutters like you spouting the same poison that the
> racists spew forward. You are a Phelps in a queers body.
You obviously suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder, as you don't seem
to be able to get through an entire post without getting distracted and
not reading it properly.
But thank you, I've never been put on a par with a religious nutter
before; and believe me I've been called quite a few things in my time.
> Oh, grow up. He is not public property. Straight pop stars don't
come
> on stage pronouncing that they are straight so why should the gay ones
> pronounce they are gay? To give you a little role model... how sweet.
Oh dear, you are an imbecile after all, aren't you?
It's pretty hard to find a male pop star that DOESN'T prance onto the
television rubbing himself up against a woman or pronouncing his
undying urge to shag some dense bitch or other, or is that not enough
of a pronouncement for you?
And he wouldn't be just a role model for me.
He would be there for you.
He would be there for our youth.
How selfish of you to assume I want him to come out just for me - just
because you are only concerned with yourself don't assume that we all
think like that.
> Yes, that's just the song titles. They are there to entertain. Pop
> stars are there to make money and they do this the best they can.
Ricky
> Martin wouldn't have made as much money singing about another guy.
Some of us have principles, darling, and some of us wouldn't feel the
need to prostitute and deny ourselves in this way to make a buck.
There's plenty of ways to make a living in this world.
> ROFL!!!!!!! Paranoid closet case!!!!! I'm out to *EVERYONE* at
> work... even the MD and chairman knows I'm gay! All my friends know,
my
> family knows, most of the families of my friends know. I couldn't be
> more 'out' if I tried (oh, apart from mincing around town which just
> isn't my thing!).
>
> I would be interested to know how my comment was 'extraordinarily
rich'
> when you know fuck all about me?
I have built up a picture of you from your bombastic and unnecessarily
emotional response to my *opinion*, and while I welcome yours, I think
it's time you grabbed a mug of Horlicks and calmed down - your own
words have condemned you in this case, Dale.
> ROFL!!!! You really don't know me at all, do you. If anything, I am
> the sort of person who ALWAYS rocks the boat. Take a look at my first
> set of posts to this newsgroup (quite a while ago) and you will see
how
> much I 'don't' rock the boat... Or anyone care to tell him?
I really don't want to know - if they're anywhere near as boring as
your replies to this thread I'd be reaching for the Nurofen before I'd
got through the first one.
> Why the hell should it be 'Mr Martin'. There are enough celebs out
> there. I think our 'vulnerable youth' would be far safer ignoring
what
> you have to say.
That's free speech at work, there.
> Oh yes. I really really want to see people dying from AIDS. Yes,
that
> will make every day worth while. You are one sick fuck to think that
my
> post even contained any need to see anyone else die from AIDS.
>
> Let me explain something to you, since you don't seem to have a
clue...
> People will not stop catching AIDS just because Ricky Martin admits to
> being gay. If all it took was a celeb to say they were gay then there
> wouldn't be any infections AT ALL. Get a grip, lad!
Thank god you're not a telephone operator, since you seem to be crap at
making connections.
Listen kiddies, ignore Dale. He's obviously a fool and an imbecile, and
is too concerned with the rights and wellbeing of the individual to
care about gay society as a whole; in fact I'd say he's pretty much
proved himself to be nothing more than a hole.
Listen to your Uncle Joshua, and that'll learn you a thing or two - pay
no attention to the victims of political correctness like our dear
friend above and you too can go to the head of the class of J Christ.
JohnM
writes
><ps...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> I saw a straight couple kissing in a gay bar while on holiday, surrounded by
>> gay men. Sometimes I get confused. Perhaps they had wandered in by mistake.
>
>Or perhaps they were a couple that were both bi?
>
>Moof- knows all to well that you can't tell people's sexuality from their looks
Oh yes, you can - if they keep looking at you in the eye and not at the
pretty girl sat next to you in the Tube you know you've hit home
--
JohnM (who is surprised at the number of gays he met last night at Trancentral)
What people write on CVs #6
"Please disregard the attached resume -- it is terribly out of date."
Jamie 'Zane' Walker
<joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> I'm sorry, but I do not want anyone looking like a soaped-up wank fest
>> to be a role model. I'd prefer to have someone *intelligent*, and
>> *well known* as a role model, rather that him :)
>Well, you are an imbecile.
I am an imbicile because I care about intelligence as well as looks?
Excellent ;)
>We need variety - the only reason you want someone intelligent is
>because it is something you aspire to yourself.
*blinks*
Ah. Hmmm. Yes? So far, it seems you're agreeing me. So, you can
have your Ricky Martin, but please, find someone for me too!
Z.
Jamie 'Zane' Walker - to reply, remove the moose. from zane!
ICQ: lost
------------------------------------------------------------
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Dale
>god, I can't even compliment you without you taking it wrong...
Oh, sorry Mark... didn't realise it was a compliment. :)
>no-one else is talking about things on that shallow a level, why should
>you be?
Er... Joshua was. (I'm surprised you didn't accuse me of being
simplistic again!!!)
>"daddy wins"
Ha! ;Ž
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like stopping to smell the roses...and inhaling a bee!
Reeshar
wrote:
> Ha! ;Ž
Oi!
You leave my Ž alone!
Reeshar
(places to go, people to meet...)
Joshua Christ
Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >no-one else is talking about things on that shallow a level, why
should
> >you be?
>
> Er... Joshua was. (I'm surprised you didn't accuse me of being
> simplistic again!!!)
It's not just the songs, you fool.
It's his entire presentation - including rubbing himself all over women
in videos, singing songs about them, and lying about himself in the
press.
Answer me this - what incentive would a straight man have to sing about
other men and pretend to be gay in a mainstream pop music context, all
things being equal?
There is NO incentive.
So why should a gay man be pretending to be something he isn't and not
being a decent role model for one of his own kind?
Joshua Christ
Dale
>Someone send out for some oxygen for Dale, please, the air's getting a
>bit thin in here.
*YAWN*
>Glad you're seeing some sense at last.
Don't be confused that I agree with your style. I find your total lack
of respect for someone else to be nauseating.
>I singled out Ricky Martin because he happens to be a celebrity in the
>public spotlight at the moment for being a possible bender. It was a
>way to draw attention to the fact that we need more role models.
Who needs more role models?
Also, let's just review what you said.... 'possible bender'. You are
already on the media bandwagon of publicly announcing what we would all
like to announce ourselves. How would YOU like to be splashed across
the front of a newspaper proclaiming that you are gay when you don't
want to come out or aren't even gay?
>There are PLENTY more examples I could trot out, sweetheart, but since
>Mr Martin was topical I chose him as a way to get my point across.
Topical to you.
>If I'd mentioned no-one in particular, you would have berated me for
>not giving an example; and seeing as I like to lead by example in my
>life, I also like to give them, dear.
Listen, dear, you completely avoid my post and continue to make
outstanding statements, in which you haven't placed much thought. An
example wasn't needed to say you need a role model because you can't
live your own life.
>You obviously suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder, as you don't seem
>to be able to get through an entire post without getting distracted and
>not reading it properly.
ADD is quite a severe illness and, unsurprisingly, you use it in a joke.
Again, your lack of regard is quite astounding, but I'm starting to
expect it now.
>But thank you, I've never been put on a par with a religious nutter
>before; and believe me I've been called quite a few things in my time.
I'm sure you have. Many not repeatable on a family show...
>Oh dear, you are an imbecile after all, aren't you?
Why, because I disagree... How strange!
>It's pretty hard to find a male pop star that DOESN'T prance onto the
>television rubbing himself up against a woman or pronouncing his
>undying urge to shag some dense bitch or other, or is that not enough
>of a pronouncement for you?
So you feel the need to forcefully out someone to satisfy some ludicrous
need for a role model.
>And he wouldn't be just a role model for me.
>
>He would be there for you.
I don't want him as a role model. I don't want ANY celeb as a role
model, thank you, as I live my own life and not someone elses. Try it
sometime.
>He would be there for our youth.
To teach them what? How to gyrate on the dancefloor!
>How selfish of you to assume I want him to come out just for me - just
>because you are only concerned with yourself don't assume that we all
>think like that.
Er... yes, you keep on believing that. *shrug* You have already proved
that you know nothing about me. Maybe you should get a clue a realise
that you really do know nothing about me.
>Some of us have principles, darling, and some of us wouldn't feel the
>need to prostitute and deny ourselves in this way to make a buck.
>There's plenty of ways to make a living in this world.
Yes, we have seen your principles. Sickening.
>I have built up a picture of you from your bombastic and unnecessarily
>emotional response to my *opinion*, and while I welcome yours, I think
>it's time you grabbed a mug of Horlicks and calmed down - your own
>words have condemned you in this case, Dale.
Lets see, you are the one throwing the insults, getting aggressive and
showing some sort of OCD towards Ricky Martin. Maybe it should be you
who 'grabbed a mug of Horlicks and calmed down'.
Again, I repeat my question...
>> I would be interested to know how my comment was 'extraordinarily
>rich'
>> when you know fuck all about me?
Your answer (and you can't say I was 'extraordinarily rich' or a
'paranoid closet case' from one post... that doesn't give you a suitable
sample for testing [sorry, my degree in Psychology/Research Methods
coming out there])
>I really don't want to know - if they're anywhere near as boring as
>your replies to this thread I'd be reaching for the Nurofen before I'd
>got through the first one.
Yet you still reply... my oh my, they can't be that boring. Though if
you really want to reach for the Nurofen, then do so. So far you
haven't put forward any valid argument other than insults.
>That's free speech at work, there.
Oh, the glorious free speech that you demand yet don't allow for others.
>Thank god you're not a telephone operator, since you seem to be crap at
>making connections.
Well, DUH!!!! I was close to that, a paging operator. Since I did the
job so well I was promoted to supervisor. Again, because you know
nothing about me, you make a ludicrous statement. Well done.
>Listen kiddies, ignore Dale. He's obviously a fool and an imbecile,
You really do like that word, 'imbecile', don't you! When someone
disagrees with you, you call them an 'imbecile'.
> and
>is too concerned with the rights and wellbeing of the individual to
>care about gay society as a whole; in fact I'd say he's pretty much
>proved himself to be nothing more than a hole.
So the individual means nothing to you. Everything that happens to the
'gay community' (lets face it, we have people like you in there as
well... is that really a community?) happens to an individual. That
individual ***IS*** important and if you forget that then you really
have lost your way.
>Listen to your Uncle Joshua, and that'll learn you a thing or two
How to be blind to your own hypocrisy. Yes, learn that.
> - pay
>no attention to the victims of political correctness like our dear
>friend above and you too can go to the head of the class of J Christ.
Me... PC???? ROFL!!! Er... yes... ok. (Hmmm... should I discuss the
overly PC policies I have seen brought into the school I was in, or the
positive discrimination... no, I don't think I will because I don't want
to make Joshua look even more of a fool than he has already shown
himself to be)
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like being in the Garden Of Eden...and having hayfever!
Do not mail me with 'abuse', use my name instead.
Dale
>It's not just the songs, you fool.
Oh, I'm not an imbecile this time...
>It's his entire presentation - including rubbing himself all over women
>in videos, singing songs about them, and lying about himself in the
>press.
That's what sells the songs... I take it you have no experience in
marketing or, if you do, you need to get a new job.
>Answer me this - what incentive would a straight man have to sing about
>other men and pretend to be gay in a mainstream pop music context, all
>things being equal?
>
>There is NO incentive.
Well, DUH!!! That's what I have already said. RM wouldn't make as much
money if he sang songs about another man... Please, get with the story
and read my posts before you say what I have already said.
>So why should a gay man be pretending to be something he isn't and not
>being a decent role model for one of his own kind?
I'll say this one more time.... Because he is singing to MAKE MONEY.
You know, earn a living. It has nothing to do with wanting to be a role
model and the sooner you get that into your head the better.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like stopping to smell the roses...and inhaling a bee!
Do not mail me with 'abuse', use my name instead.
Lyn David Thomas
<joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>So why should a gay man be pretending to be something he isn't and not
>being a decent role model for one of his own kind?
Ever thought that he might have been bi - even though predominantly
gay?
--
__
*Lyn David Thomas* \/
Web pages start at
http://www.stuffing.demon.co.uk/lyn
Joshua Christ
Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> *YAWN*
Past your bedtime?
> Don't be confused that I agree with your style. I find your total
lack
> of respect for someone else to be nauseating.
That's quite lovely. I do a lovely range of sickbags in uptight
lavender, politically correct pink, and selfish fuchsia that I think
you may find appealing.
> Listen, dear, you completely avoid my post and continue to make
> outstanding statements, in which you haven't placed much thought. An
> example wasn't needed to say you need a role model because you can't
> live your own life.
That's great; would you talk to your kids like that? Daddy's not going
to set an example for you, he's going to go out and fuck his way
through town and smoke the wacky tobaccy in the lounge, but don't let
that influence you - you've got to live your own life, son...
You really are an idiot.
> Also, let's just review what you said.... 'possible bender'. You are
> already on the media bandwagon of publicly announcing what we would
all
> like to announce ourselves. How would YOU like to be splashed across
> the front of a newspaper proclaiming that you are gay when you don't
> want to come out or aren't even gay?
Go right ahead, sweetheart. Say what you like. It wouldn't bother me in
the slightest. We all have our cross to bear in life, and I am more
than hard enough to cope with whatever life throws at me. Could you
cope, or would you go and hide in the cupboard?
> ADD is quite a severe illness and, unsurprisingly, you use it in a
joke.
> Again, your lack of regard is quite astounding, but I'm starting to
> expect it now.
Oh, get out the violin. ADD is complete and total invention, but we'll
discuss that later...
> I don't want him as a role model. I don't want ANY celeb as a role
> model, thank you, as I live my own life and not someone elses. Try it
> sometime.
>
> >He would be there for our youth.
>
> To teach them what? How to gyrate on the dancefloor!
The sheer fact that he is there, he is out, he is confident, he is
proud of what he is is all that is required.
Demeaning what he does for a living only further proves your
ignorance; - so someone's father is a dustman and that means he isn't a
good role model because he cleans out bins for a job? That's just great.
> Er... yes, you keep on believing that. *shrug* You have already
proved
> that you know nothing about me. Maybe you should get a clue a realise
> that you really do know nothing about me.
Listen, Dale, come a bit closer.
This may shock you, it may not.
I don't give a fuck about you.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if you were fatally injured in a smiling
accident before you finish reading this post.
I am drawing conclusions about your position from your words, just as
you are doing with me. I am only concerned with this conversation, with
this topic; I don't care what school you went to, how many times you
tripped over and grazed your knee at kindy, where your buy your milk
from or what you think about the price of fish. I don't care at all.
> Lets see, you are the one throwing the insults, getting aggressive and
> showing some sort of OCD towards Ricky Martin. Maybe it should be you
> who 'grabbed a mug of Horlicks and calmed down'.
>
> Again, I repeat my question...
>
> >> I would be interested to know how my comment was 'extraordinarily
> >rich'
> >> when you know fuck all about me?
You want everyone tucked away in their little closets, and you don't
want them to make a fuss. You don't want anyone to be harassed because
of their sexuality, or have their precious privacy invaded - so your
solution? No, don't attack the bigots, the bastards who make life shit
for everyone else - just keep it to yourself and you won't have any
problems.
And then you ask me if I have come to terms with *my* sexuality? Turn
it up, dear.
> Yet you still reply... my oh my, they can't be that boring. Though if
> you really want to reach for the Nurofen, then do so. So far you
> haven't put forward any valid argument other than insults.
Diddims.
> Oh, the glorious free speech that you demand yet don't allow for
others.
I'm letting you drivel on, aren't I? I can't be that much of a fascist.
> Well, DUH!!!! I was close to that, a paging operator. Since I did
the
> job so well I was promoted to supervisor. Again, because you know
> nothing about me, you make a ludicrous statement. Well done.
You take life quite seriously, don't you? Do you sit round at dinner-
time and piss and moan about the day, how the bus driver short changed
you or the man in the corner shop had run out of Smarties? It must be
all fun and games at your house.
> So the individual means nothing to you. Everything that happens to
the
> 'gay community' (lets face it, we have people like you in there as
> well... is that really a community?) happens to an individual. That
> individual ***IS*** important and if you forget that then you really
> have lost your way.
Absolute rubbish.
Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice the needs of an individual to
make things better for a community.
That's the problem with today's society - everyone is too concerned
about themselves and won't put their best foot forward to help others
along.
You obviously have been badly burnt in your younger years, Dale - no-
one was there for you and it's made you into a cynical old bitch who
doesn't want to help others in return.
> You really do like that word, 'imbecile', don't you! When someone
> disagrees with you, you call them an 'imbecile'.
Well, Dale, if the shoe fits, wear it - and just like Cinderella,
you're a perfect match, baby.
Joshua Christ
No, you've graduated to the prestigious level of stupid cunt.
> >It's his entire presentation - including rubbing himself all over
women
> >in videos, singing songs about them, and lying about himself in the
> >press.
>
> That's what sells the songs... I take it you have no experience in
> marketing or, if you do, you need to get a new job.
Do you read anything?
I mean, do you actually sit down and try to understand what someone is
trying to say? Or do you always just blunder in and repeat yourself and
bring up irrelevant points?
> Well, DUH!!! That's what I have already said. RM wouldn't make as
much
> money if he sang songs about another man... Please, get with the story
> and read my posts before you say what I have already said.
Money is not the issue here, you rash.
There are so many ways you can present yourself as a pop star that
aren't gender-specific - he wouldn't have to present himself as a
flaming queen.
I raised the point because, you don't see straight men pretending to be
gay in a mainstream pop context so why should it be the other way
around? I don't give a rat's arse about the money. Christ, it's like
talking to a little child.
> I'll say this one more time.... Because he is singing to MAKE MONEY.
> You know, earn a living. It has nothing to do with wanting to be a
role
> model and the sooner you get that into your head the better.
He is a prostitute.
He is selling himself and what he is for the cheap thrills of an
audience who, largely, would probably turn on him if they knew what he
really did with his jolly roger after dark.
Gordon
>In article <9Uyh7HAl...@webeye.demon.co.uk>,
> Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh, I'm not an imbecile this time...
>
>No, you've graduated to the prestigious level of stupid cunt.
>
--
Gordon
x
x
x
James Harvey
> Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice the needs of an individual to
> make things better for a community.
Same argument as Stalin. If an individual wishes to make a sacrifice, it's
his choice: it certainly isn't for 'the community' (whatever self appointed
body of power seekers it happens to be today) to tell him to.
> That's the problem with today's society - everyone is too concerned
> about themselves and won't put their best foot forward to help others
> along.
Same argument as any number of right wing and left wing extremist loonies.
It normally ends up with lots of dead people littering up the place.
James
St Erroneous
> Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'll say this one more time.... Because he is singing to MAKE MONEY.
>> You know, earn a living. It has nothing to do with wanting to be a
>> role model and the sooner you get that into your head the better.
>He is a prostitute.
>
>He is selling himself and what he is for the cheap thrills of an
>audience who, largely, would probably turn on him if they knew what he
>really did with his jolly roger after dark.
In which case, colour me a prostitute.
Personal ad: Will sell self for access to vast quantities of redundant
fibre-channel storage, obscene quantitities of cpu, and broadband
internet connectivity.
(Oops, too late).
-michael E
--
St michael (mainly) Erroneous http://www.erroneous.demon.co.uk/
"You and me, we're in this together now ICQ 44119217
None of them can stop us now
We will make it through somehow." -- NIN, We're in this together
St Erroneous
>This may shock you, it may not.
>I don't give a fuck about you.
>I wouldn't bat an eyelid if you were fatally injured in a smiling
>accident before you finish reading this post.
[zoom]
>You obviously have been badly burnt in your younger years, Dale - no-
>one was there for you and it's made you into a cynical old bitch who
>doesn't want to help others in return.
YAA sociopath AICM5P.
Tom Jordaan
>
> Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:7sri3j$v79$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > make things better for a community.
>
> his choice: it certainly isn't for 'the community' (whatever self appointed
> body of power seekers it happens to be today) to tell him to.
>
> > about themselves and won't put their best foot forward to help others
> > along.
>
> It normally ends up with lots of dead people littering up the place.
Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the resurgence
of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
frightening - I'll post some bits tomorrow, unless anyone can find an
URL in the meantime...
--
"You'd better stop - Hasukawa's eyes are about to pop right out."
www.phlebas.demon.co.uk for Banana Fish, Ultraviolet, This Life
Gordon
>
>Personal ad: Will sell self for access to vast quantities of redundant
>fibre-channel storage, obscene quantitities of cpu, and broadband
>internet connectivity.
>
(Hoping it doesn't matter that I don't know what the first two even are)
Joshua Christ
"James Harvey" <use...@logrus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Same argument as Stalin. If an individual wishes to make a
sacrifice, it's
> his choice: it certainly isn't for 'the community' (whatever self
appointed
> body of power seekers it happens to be today) to tell him to.
Self-appointed poppycock. Remember that bit of paper with names on it
with little boxes next to it you fill in every few years? You're making
a choice there, dear.
> Same argument as any number of right wing and left wing extremist
loonies.
> It normally ends up with lots of dead people littering up the place.
There are plenty of dead young gays and lesbians littering up the place
through suicide because they don't feel they fit into society already,
sweetheart.
Joshua Christ
vinylfreak <vinyl...@vinylfreak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Bowie, Martin from Gene and Morrissey did.
> Brett from Suede and a few others constantly play at being gay.
> Brett claims to be gay but not physically yet?
Homosexuality has always been accepted in a weird sort of way within
British pop music culture.
This is not so in American mainstream popular culture, and we only need
to see the extreme lengths (now dead) celebrities of the past went to
to cover themselves up because they were so ashamed of themselves.
Joshua Christ
"Gordon" <gor...@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
> You, however, have not progressed beyond the entry level of tedious
troll.
So tedious, Gordon, that you're hanging on my every word and couldn't
wait pipe up with your little one-line riposte.
You just couldn't keep away, could you, you little funster?
I won't be too harsh, though, since I realise that with a name like
Gordon you're probably a keen wearer of grey zip-up shoes and don't
have too many friends.
Rachael Munns
> Personal ad: Will sell self for access to vast quantities of redundant
> fibre-channel storage, obscene quantitities of cpu, and broadband
> internet connectivity.
Hey, who *wouldn't*?
--
Rachael
Matthew Malthouse
} >
} Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the resurgence
} of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
} frightening - I'll post some bits tomorrow, unless anyone can find an
} URL in the meantime...
http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/AC/setguestcookie.cgi?section=News&hos
t=www%2Enewsunlimited%2Eco%2Euk&uri=%2Fguardian%2F0%2C2844%2C%2C00%2E
html&userid=4G9Dbb01
somewhat absurdly is the URL.
I'm almost certain that it won't work so go to
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/
from the sites pull down menue select The Guardian
Towards the botom of the page there is a thing called "7-day Search"
Enter "Durham" and the story will come up.
One might also consider complaining about the god-awfull mess that the
site is!
Matthew
--
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-- Foghorn Leghorn
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Lyn David Thomas
<joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>I won't be too harsh, though, since I realise that with a name like
>Gordon you're probably a keen wearer of grey zip-up shoes and don't
>have too many friends.
Ah if I wasn't running this group on free agent now you'd be in my
kill file. So take it that you are metaphorically *plonked*
Tom Jordaan
>
> On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:09:35 BST Tom Jordaan wrote:
> } >
> } Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the resurgence
> } of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
> } frightening - I'll post some bits tomorrow, unless anyone can find an
> } URL in the meantime...
>
> http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/AC/setguestcookie.cgi?section=News&hos
> t=www%2Enewsunlimited%2Eco%2Euk&uri=%2Fguardian%2F0%2C2844%2C%2C00%2E
> html&userid=4G9Dbb01
>
> somewhat absurdly is the URL.
Or: http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,84583,00.html
The article is by Jonathan Margolis.
Quote:
"Person after person in my hall immediately announced themselves as
Christians," she says of her first moments at university. "I can
understand religion, and I'm even used to church on a Sunday, but
this was ultra in-your-face. It very soon became obvious that it was not
only very evangelical, but very orthodox and fundamental, with elements
of racism, sexism and homophobia. A lot of people submitted and started
to go along to Christian meetings. I'd say in my social group, the
majority are heavily committed Christians. No sex. No drugs. No
anything,
as far as I can tell. The evangelism is really intense and is
manifestly designed to take advantage of people when they are at their
most vulnerable. I've been told - and this by people I am quite friendly
with - 'You'll go to hell if you haven't made your commitment. Surely
you
want to come to heaven with us?'"
Quote:
The notion of Christians "working undercover" has also struck
Cambridge-based vicar Peter Owen Jones. He characterises the new
university Christianity as "vibrant and wild". "There has been a real
and genuine turning point in the sense that the CU previously consisted
of people with trousers that finished three inches above their ankles,
and tended to have short back and sides or beards that they didn't cut.
Now they are taking on a cooler, more laid-back image," Owen Jones says.
What troubles Owen Jones, however, is not that Christianity is becoming
fashionable amongst educated people - he, after all, gave up a career
as an advertising copywriter to join the church - but that the new breed
of young campus Christians is so deeply conservative. Merely making a
song and dance about not sleeping with people before marriage, he
argues,
hardly challenges such problems as society's rampant consumerism.
"My opinion is that the CUs increasingly represent the WASP element," he
explains. "They tend to be very prescriptive and obsessed by what is and
what isn't acceptable. So while there is a rise in student Christianity,
there is no new or alternative view of faith coming out of the Christian
union. We are essentially seeing a very conservative application of the
bible. I don't see people say, 'I am not going to work for ICI or that
multinational because I cannot agree with it.' I would be looking for
real changes in attitude to the system in which we work."
Quote:
"Rebellion, yes, been there, done that," said Liz, a music student
from Surrey. "I've done drugs and had sex. But it all changed when I
became a Christian. It says in the Bible that if you ask Jesus he'll
give you the strength to resist temptation. I rely on Jesus's strength.
I don't want to rebel any more." Liz is 18.
> One might also consider complaining about the god-awfull mess that the
> site is!
Whose idea was the "nnn Unlimited" thing, and where can we find them?
*growl*
In the fresher's pack which I finally got on Wedneday was a leaflet
from Brookes' ecumenical chaplaincy:
[begins]
PROTECT YOURSELF FROM DESTRUCTIVE RELIGIOUS CULTS
Don't be afraid to say "No"
o When you feel alone, isolated or lonely...
o When you feel totally overwhelmed by a decision you need to make
and find yourself wishing hat someone would just tell you what
to do...
o When you feel like the world used to make sense and now
everything's falling apart around you...
YOU'RE VULNERABLE
[ends]
The leaflet goes on to say:
[begins]
When you're hurting - or even when you're not - beware of people
with answers to all of life's problems.
Good answers are rarely easy and clear-cut.
Beware of people who have no doubts and don't want you to have
any either.
Healthy religious life includes living with unanswered questions.
Beware of religious cults who claim to to know you and your needs
better than you do yourself.
Religious groups should not degrade or exclude outside friendship.
Beware of people who are excessively or inappropriately flattering
or friendly.
Relationships of real love are not instant. A group which surrounds
you with immediate concern may be practising "Love-Bombing", a form
of deceptive recruitment.
It's not impolite to say no.
Beware of invitations to isolated weekend workshops which have
nebulous goals.
There is no reason to be vague unless there is something to hide.
[Ends]
They've got it in for the CU here, I think... ^_^
James Harvey
> In article <37f1...@clientnews.cerbernet.co.uk>,
> "James Harvey" <use...@logrus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Self-appointed poppycock. Remember that bit of paper with names on it
> with little boxes next to it you fill in every few years? You're making
> a choice there, dear.
More than you would allow me, it seems.
> > Same argument as any number of right wing and left wing extremist
> loonies.
> > It normally ends up with lots of dead people littering up the place.
>
> There are plenty of dead young gays and lesbians littering up the place
> through suicide because they don't feel they fit into society already,
> sweetheart.
Yeah yeah: is this your version of the "to protect our children" argument,
or does that come later?
James
Anna
9903...@brookes.ac.uk wrote:
> Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the
resurgence
> of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
> frightening - I'll post some bits tomorrow, unless anyone can find an
> URL in the meantime...
yeah I saw it - I was quite amused at the bit where they mentioned that
you could tell the fundamentalist Christian because he would be
standing in the corner drinking a pint of coke. I shared a house with a
guy just like that - they could have been reading into my life!!!
Anna XXXX
--
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Mature love says:'I need you because I love you'
-Erich Fromm
Tom Jordaan
>
> In article <37F278...@brookes.ac.uk>,
> 9903...@brookes.ac.uk wrote:
>
> > Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the
> resurgence
> > of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
> > frightening - I'll post some bits tomorrow, unless anyone can find an
> > URL in the meantime...
>
> yeah I saw it - I was quite amused at the bit where they mentioned that
> you could tell the fundamentalist Christian because he would be
> standing in the corner drinking a pint of coke. I shared a house with a
> guy just like that - they could have been reading into my life!!!
In that case, you have my utmost sympathies... ^_^
dar...@at.dot.durge.org
> Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the resurgence
> of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
> frightening
Having studied at Durham Uni (which was the focus of the article) just a
couple of years ago, and still having quite a bit of contact with friends
there, I had the G2 article forwarded to be by a some friends, and the
resulting discussion is still going on in other newsgroups.
DICCU, the main (or at least most notorious) christian group in Durham
are indeed a rather scarey bunch of people. The stories from friends
with less, erm, extreme, religious leanings, who went along for one
meeting after seeing them at the freshers' fair, describe people who
take the bible and church line as literal, indesputable fact, no matter
what, and without any room for interpretation, or human rights. They see
it as their duty to try and recruit other students, and to teach them
the errors of their ways; "as Christian students at university
we have a unique chance to reach out to those around us with the gospel."
as they say on their web page (http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dds8icu). There's
no doubt amongst gay and/or christian friends just how accepting they'd
be of people who didn't fit picture of how we should live.
What the story possibly did lack was a sense of proportion. Ok, it
was specifically about the christian aspect of universities, but
it put it across as if the DICCUites were everywhere, and just about
everyone came in contact with them quite regularly. In my three years
there I never had any contact with any of the religious groups, and
the nearest you came to being converted from my evil ways (not that
I was anything but pure and innocent back then :) was sitting through
grace at the beginning of the "formal" meals that we were expected to
go to once a week (int tradition brilliant!)
Yes there are gathering of religious people at all universities, but
most of these are quite tame, and harmless. Where you do get the
extremist groups, they don't have the power to achieve anything;
the only time DICCU managed to force anything to go its way was when
they got nearly 100% of their memebers to turn out to the Students
Union AGM (which is completely ignored by everyone else) to defeat
a motion banning them from using SU equipment because of their views
on equal rights.
Since I'm certainly not a christian myself, perhaps my view might be
a little biased, however one thing that many of my christain friends
would agree on is that groups like DICCU taking extreme lines and
making themselves targets by offering to 'cure' gay men of their
sexuality, as one of their guest speakers once did, and as one
person in the G2 article mentioned, is that these groups end up
hurting the faith and those they try to help, more than anything else..
Erm, now back to lurking...
- Darren
(e&oe)
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David Quinton
>Erm, now back to lurking...
Don't you *dare* - that was good.
(and'll probably be even better when I read it properly when I'm
off-line!)
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JohnM
<9903...@brookes.ac.uk> writes
>
>Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the resurgence
>of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
>frightening - I'll post some bits tomorrow, unless anyone can find an
>URL in the meantime...
>
Yes, but I thought it said the phenomenon was confined in Durham.
--
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Tom Jordaan
>
> Tom Jordaan <9903...@brookes.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Anyone else see the article in 22nd September's G2 about the resurgence
> > of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
> > frightening
>
> What the story possibly did lack was a sense of proportion. Ok, it
> was specifically about the christian aspect of universities, but
> it put it across as if the DICCUites were everywhere, and just about
> everyone came in contact with them quite regularly.
> Yes there are gathering of religious people at all universities, but
> most of these are quite tame, and harmless.
Which is a relief. Apart from the Brookes CU's poster offering laser
quest outings, things seem fairly Anglican here...
[...]
> Since I'm certainly not a christian myself, perhaps my view might be
> a little biased,
Ah, but you admit that you might be wrong... ^_^
> these groups end up hurting the faith and those they try to help,
> more than anything else..
Pathetic, isn't it? Still, it'll be interesting to see what happens to
DICCU and their ilk as things progress, whether the pendulum will
swing again towards the sex and drugs when DICCUites have kids of
their own...
> Erm, now back to lurking...
Oi! Don't you *dare* hide away after a delurk posting that good... ^_^
Dale
>In article <9Uyh7HAl...@webeye.demon.co.uk>,
> Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh, I'm not an imbecile this time...
>
>No, you've graduated to the prestigious level of stupid cunt.
Ahhh... how sweet. He can say 'cunt'. You are starting to look like a
troll more and more each post.
>Do you read anything?
>
>I mean, do you actually sit down and try to understand what someone is
>trying to say? Or do you always just blunder in and repeat yourself and
>bring up irrelevant points?
Yes, I do read the posts and understand what someone is trying to say.
Why, would you like me to teach you on how to do it?
>Money is not the issue here, you rash.
It is for him so it is an issue for him. Don't forget, he is only a
celeb because of his success and that brings the money in.
>There are so many ways you can present yourself as a pop star that
>aren't gender-specific - he wouldn't have to present himself as a
>flaming queen.
So he should change his whole style just to make you happy.
>I raised the point because, you don't see straight men pretending to be
>gay in a mainstream pop context so why should it be the other way
>around?
Because they probably wouldn't make as much money if they did. You
really have no idea about presentation and making money.
> I don't give a rat's arse about the money. Christ, it's like
>talking to a little child.
Who said you had to give a "rat's arse" about the money? You constantly
fail to understand the motivation for the artist.
>He is a prostitute.
Doing something for money. Aren't we all if we work!
>He is selling himself and what he is for the cheap thrills of an
>audience who, largely, would probably turn on him if they knew what he
>really did with his jolly roger after dark.
Wild statements which have no backing, unless, of course, you can give
proof that he is gay.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like being in the Garden Of Eden...and having hayfever!
Do not mail me with 'abuse', use my name instead.
Dale
>Past your bedtime?
No, your childish statement bored me.
>That's quite lovely. I do a lovely range of sickbags in uptight
>lavender, politically correct pink, and selfish fuchsia that I think
>you may find appealing.
Selfish? You are demanding that someone else does something they
obviously don't want to do just to satisfy you, and you call me selfish.
I think you should look at the definition of 'selfish'.
>That's great; would you talk to your kids like that?
I'm never going to have kids.
> Daddy's not going
>to set an example for you, he's going to go out and fuck his way
>through town and smoke the wacky tobaccy in the lounge, but don't let
>that influence you - you've got to live your own life, son...
Your father is *COMPLETELY* different to a pop star, and such analogy is
quite incorrect.
Also, you exaggerate constantly... just because a father doesn't take an
interest in a child doesn't mean that the father will 'fuck his way
through town and smoke wacky tobaccy in the lounge'. Unless "you have
obviously have been badly burnt in your younger years", Joshua, "- no-
one was there for you and it's made you into a cynical old bitch who
doesn't want to help others in return" except when it masturbates your
own ego.
>You really are an idiot.
You throw out unrealistic analogies, statements which hold no research
and insults throughout your posts. Maybe you should also look up the
definition of 'idiot'.
>Go right ahead, sweetheart. Say what you like. It wouldn't bother me in
>the slightest. We all have our cross to bear in life, and I am more
>than hard enough to cope with whatever life throws at me. Could you
>cope, or would you go and hide in the cupboard?
Again, you make statements without thinking or you just haven't read
what I am said. I'll repeat. I am out to EVERYONE I know. Hiding in
the cupboard would be difficult.
Also, I don't out people, nor do I publicise part of a persons private
life if they won't do it themselves.
>Oh, get out the violin. ADD is complete and total invention, but we'll
>discuss that later...
You may be right... I don't think there is an Attention Deficiency
Disorder... Isn't it called Attention Deficiency Syndrome.
However, I don't think that is what you mean, which wouldn't surprise
me. You have already shown that you have no respect for anyone else
except the 'youth' (which is still tentative).
>The sheer fact that he is there, he is out, he is confident, he is
>proud of what he is is all that is required.
Then he isn't needed as there are enough gay celebs out there who are
out, confident and proud of what he is. So, again, why should he?
>Demeaning what he does for a living only further proves your
>ignorance; - so someone's father is a dustman and that means he isn't a
>good role model because he cleans out bins for a job? That's just great.
I didn't demean what he does at all. In fact, I like his songs. So,
you're wrong again (surprise!).
>Listen, Dale, come a bit closer.
>
>This may shock you, it may not.
>
>I don't give a fuck about you.
I'm not surprised... you don't seem to give a fuck about anyone.
>I wouldn't bat an eyelid if you were fatally injured in a smiling
>accident before you finish reading this post.
Yet you still claim to be concerned about the 'community'. What you are
actually looking for is a group that will put you on a pedestal. Well,
I'm sorry to disappoint you but that will not happen.
>I am drawing conclusions about your position from your words, just as
>you are doing with me. I am only concerned with this conversation, with
>this topic;
Really? I thought you weren't concerned about this conversation since
you are just letting me "drivel on".
>I don't care what school you went to,
I didn't tell you... more useless text.
> how many times you
>tripped over and grazed your knee at kindy,
I didn't tell you... more useless text.
> where your buy your milk
>from
I didn't tell you... more useless text.
> or what you think about the price of fish.
I didn't tell you... more useless text.
I would, however, like to explain to you what a newsgroup is. It is a
place for 'discussion'. When you make a post it is like to receive a
reply. Amazing, isn't it.
If you don't want to be disagreed with, or hear what someone else has to
say, then I would advise that you don't post again.
>I don't care at all.
About anything!
>You want everyone tucked away in their little closets, and you don't
>want them to make a fuss.
'Everyone'? You are basing this statement on what? Also, it is hard to
believe that someone who is 'out' as me would expect others to stay in
the closet.
'Don't want them to make a fuss'? You are basing this statement on
what? Again, you have no idea about me.
> You don't want anyone to be harassed because
>of their sexuality,
Yes, I am guilty of that. I don't think anyone should be harassed
because of their sexuality. I think you will find that the majority of
people in this group would also be guilty of that.
I'm not surprised that you think they should and it is interesting to
note that you call what you are doing as 'harassing'.
> or have their precious privacy invaded -
The key word here is 'privacy'. Another word you need to look up in the
dictionary. Unless, of course, you would prefer to live in a police
state (do you dream of '1984'?).
>so your
>solution? No, don't attack the bigots, the bastards who make life shit
>for everyone else - just keep it to yourself and you won't have any
>problems.
Please quote my text where I am supposed to have said this...
Again, another uneducated statement about me.
>And then you ask me if I have come to terms with *my* sexuality? Turn
>it up, dear.
Why, didn't you understand it the first time?
>Diddims.
Hmmm... the same as the rest of your statements. Meaningless.
>I'm letting you drivel on, aren't I? I can't be that much of a fascist.
When you don't care? Oh my...
>You take life quite seriously, don't you?
By pointing out that you have no idea what you are talking about? When
you make allegations, in a PUBLIC forum, that are untrue? Fine.
> Do you sit round at dinner-
>time and piss and moan about the day,
No.
> how the bus driver short changed
>you
I have a car and don't need to get the bus.
> or the man in the corner shop had run out of Smarties?
I don't eat Smarties.
> It must be
>all fun and games at your house.
Why, yes it is... I've always have friends round because they enjoy
spending time here. I'll let you off with that statement because it is
correct. It is 'fun and games'.
>Absolute rubbish.
Really.
>Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice the needs of an individual to
>make things better for a community.
When you don't care about the community.
>That's the problem with today's society - everyone is too concerned
>about themselves and won't put their best foot forward to help others
>along.
Hmmm.. being concerned about an individual (and, let's remember, I was
talking about an individual other than myself)
So, you would rather affect someone else's life just to make yours that
little bit better. How self-sacrificing for you.
>You obviously have been badly burnt in your younger years, Dale - no-
>one was there for you and it's made you into a cynical old bitch who
>doesn't want to help others in return.
More uneducated statements. You must enjoy making a fool of yourself in
such a public forum. Quite a few folk here know exactly about my
'younger years' and know that they conflict with your view of me.
>Well, Dale, if the shoe fits, wear it - and just like Cinderella,
>you're a perfect match, baby.
Going by your posting style those 'uneducated', 'irrational' and
'irrelevant' shoes must be damn comfortable, and well worn, on your
feet.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like stopping to smell the roses...and inhaling a bee!
Do not mail me with 'abuse', use my name instead.
Dave Hughes
news:slrn7v67bl...@special.guardian.co.uk...
:
: I'm almost certain that it won't work so go to
: http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/
: from the sites pull down menue select The Guardian
: Towards the botom of the page there is a thing called "7-day Search"
: Enter "Durham" and the story will come up.
Except that it is more than 7 days ago (22nd) and you will need to use the
full search capability - I searched on religion and it was the 5th article
found.
Dave
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Matthew Malthouse
"Dave Hughes" <trouble...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
} Subject: Re: Livin' La Vida Poofter
} From: "Dave Hughes" <trouble...@clara.co.uk>
} Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:30:48 BST
} Newsgroups: uk.gay-lesbian-bi
}
} Matthew Malthouse <use...@calmeilles.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
} news:slrn7v67bl...@special.guardian.co.uk...
} :
} : I'm almost certain that it won't work so go to
} : http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/
} : from the sites pull down menue select The Guardian
} : Towards the botom of the page there is a thing called "7-day Search"
} : Enter "Durham" and the story will come up.
}
} Except that it is more than 7 days ago (22nd) and you will need to use
the
} full search capability - I searched on religion and it was the 5th
article
} found.
Article 22nd, my post 29th.
Matthew
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99037613
>
> In article <37F278...@brookes.ac.uk>, Tom Jordaan
> <9903...@brookes.ac.uk> writes
>
> >
> >of Organised Christianity on university campuses? It was quite
> >URL in the meantime...
> >
>
> Yes, but I thought it said the phenomenon was confined in Durham.
It didn't. The focus was on Durham, but it said it was happening
everywhere. This may well be a case of journalistic exaggeration,
however.
Dave Hughes
: In article <zZ7J3.2368$18.3...@nnrp3.clara.net>,
: "Dave Hughes" <trouble...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
:
: } Subject: Re: Livin' La Vida Poofter
: } From: "Dave Hughes" <trouble...@clara.co.uk>
: } Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:30:48 BST
: } Newsgroups: uk.gay-lesbian-bi
: }
: } Matthew Malthouse <use...@calmeilles.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
: } news:slrn7v67bl...@special.guardian.co.uk...
: } :
: } : I'm almost certain that it won't work so go to
: } : http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/
: } : from the sites pull down menue select The Guardian
: } : Towards the botom of the page there is a thing called "7-day Search"
: } : Enter "Durham" and the story will come up.
: }
: } Except that it is more than 7 days ago (22nd) and you will need to use
: the
: } full search capability - I searched on religion and it was the 5th
: article
: } found.
:
: Article 22nd, my post 29th.
Whoops sorry Matthew - I'm so far behind these days that I'm being selective
both in my reading and what I seem to actually see ;o)
Perhaps I should have written 'Except that it is now more than 7 days ago
....'
Martin
9903...@brookes.ac.uk "Tom Jordaan" writes:
> The article is by Jonathan Margolis.
> 'You'll go to hell if you haven't made your commitment. Surely
> you want to come to heaven with us?'"
This *has* to be an invitation to a a response along the lines
of clubs one wouldn't care to join if they accept people like
that as members, surely?
--
Martin mar...@speedsix.demon.co.uk
------
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JohnM
<joshua...@my-deja.com> writes
>I won't be too harsh, though, since I realise that with a name like
>Gordon you're probably a keen wearer of grey zip-up shoes and don't
>have too many friends.
Really ? And with a name like Joshua Christ you wear what ?
hippy sandals ? And you lecture us on fashion Mr Smellyfeet ?
PS For your rest of your still-born cuberlife: Drag Queen Attitude which
is oh, so endearing in clubs does not wear well on the Net.
--
JohnM
What people write on CVs #7
"Work Experience: Dealing with customers' conflicts that arouse."
Joshua Christ
l...@cibwr.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> Ah if I wasn't running this group on free agent now you'd be in my
> kill file. So take it that you are metaphorically *plonked*
Oh Lyn, I'm heartbroken.
Such a pity you can't killfile people in your everyday life, then you
could delude yourself in the real world as well as cyberspace.
--
It's Joshua Christ's KINKY WebWorld!
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chamber/3158
Joshua Christ
Indeed I can. Cunticunticunticunticunticunticunti...there I go again.
> Yes, I do read the posts and understand what someone is trying to say.
Very good.
> Why, would you like me to teach you on how to do it?
No, then I'd get everything cocked up and end up looking like I'm
straight off the special bus.
> So he should change his whole style just to make you happy.
Absolutely. I am always one hundred percent right about everything, and
Ricky would be much happier in life if he followed the advice of dear
Uncle Josh, as would you, my dear.
> Because they probably wouldn't make as much money if they did. You
> really have no idea about presentation and making money.
And your last chart hit was...?
> Wild statements which have no backing, unless, of course, you can give
> proof that he is gay.
All you need to know, sweetheart, is that I have my sources.
Joshua Christ
"James Harvey" <use...@logrus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:7svrsb$1mn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <37f1...@clientnews.cerbernet.co.uk>,
> > "James Harvey" <use...@logrus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Self-appointed poppycock. Remember that bit of paper with names on
it
> > with little boxes next to it you fill in every few years? You're
making
> > a choice there, dear.
>
> More than you would allow me, it seems.
Dear oh dear, here's another one, Beryl.
Someone presents their opinion passionately, and suddenly everyone gets
hoity-toity and pulls the "victim" card. Grow up.
> > There are plenty of dead young gays and lesbians littering up the
place
> > through suicide because they don't feel they fit into society
already,
> > sweetheart.
>
> Yeah yeah: is this your version of the "to protect our children"
argument,
> or does that come later?
This whole discussion has been about role models for youth, you fool,
so start reading entire sentences instead just the bits that you can
write a little reply to.
Joshua Christ
vinylfreak <vinyl...@vinylfreak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Not so sure about the tolerance within British music.
> Novelty and naughty fashion accessory when it suits the media?
> Jimmy Sommerville and Holly Johnson have been received coldly lately.
> Boy George also seems to have problems as a solo artist even though
his
> records have been critically acclaimed at times.
Can't speak for the first two, but Boy George's slow patch has nothing
to do with his sexuality, and everything to do with the fact that he is
washed up in the eyes of the public. He's on tabloid burnout, and
everyone is sick to death of hearing about him.
There comes a point with media saturation when people begin to form an
opinion that someone isn't as important as the mass coverage implies
they are, and there you have a backlash.
We could name quite a few eighties groups/artists who aren't gay who
have encountered exactly the same problem, Duran Duran for example.
> Bowie, Janis Ian and Stipe seem to have weathered the criticism in the
> States and Nobody is sure if it was Freddie Mercury's sexuality or the
> Dance music that killed Queen?
Freddie was as queer as a fish all throughout Queen's career, and it
was well known. Queen made bogan shag-a-sheila music right up until
Freddie's death, so his penchant for buggery had nothing to do with
their decline either.
Stephen Gately's outing has had literally zero impact on Boyzone's
record sales; if anything it's helped them.
> What annoys me is that some straight artists played games while some
gay
> artists were having genuine personal or industry problems.
> I sometimes buy records from gay artists even when I only quite like
the
> music.
That's a very commendable attitude, showing support in such a way. I
would most likely do the same.
Joshua Christ
Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Joshua Christ, you wrote:
>
> >Past your bedtime?
>
> No, your childish statement bored me.
Oh dear - so boring that you've posted *yet* again. I think you might
be in love with me, Dale.
> Selfish? You are demanding that someone else does something they
> obviously don't want to do just to satisfy you, and you call me
selfish.
> I think you should look at the definition of 'selfish'.
How do you know he doesn't want to do it? How do you know he isn't
being pressured by family, friends, his record company, or idiotic
don't-rock-the-boat merchants such as yourself?
> I'm never going to have kids.
Thank god.
> Your father is *COMPLETELY* different to a pop star, and such analogy
is
> quite incorrect.
Any adult can be an influential figure in a child's life - parents just
as much as pop stars, so you've lost your ten-point bonus there, I'm
afraid.
> Also, you exaggerate constantly...
I do, do I?
> just because a father doesn't take an
> interest in a child doesn't mean that the father will 'fuck his way
> through town and smoke wacky tobaccy in the lounge'.
That's not what I said.
> Unless "you have
> obviously have been badly burnt in your younger years", Joshua, "- no-
> one was there for you and it's made you into a cynical old bitch who
> doesn't want to help others in return" except when it masturbates your
> own ego.
You know, when you try and throw someone's quote back in their face,
it's a good idea to make sure it makes sense otherwise you just look
like a fool.
> You throw out unrealistic analogies, statements which hold no research
> and insults throughout your posts. Maybe you should also look up the
> definition of 'idiot'.
And I suppose you have an set of encyclopedias by your monitor,
sweetheart? Give us a break. Your opinion is just as subjective as
anybody elses.
I have my sources.
> You may be right... I don't think there is an Attention Deficiency
> Disorder... Isn't it called Attention Deficiency Syndrome.
La la la la...
> However, I don't think that is what you mean, which wouldn't surprise
> me. You have already shown that you have no respect for anyone else
> except the 'youth' (which is still tentative).
The youth are the future. But since you're not going to have any
children, you've already resigned yourself to a life of only thinking
about yourself, like so many other superficial and shallow gay males.
> Then he isn't needed as there are enough gay celebs out there who are
> out, confident and proud of what he is. So, again, why should he?
Oh there are enough, are there? That's fantastic.
Then that should put the gay/lesbian youth suicide rate at zero then.
> Yet you still claim to be concerned about the 'community'. What you
are
> actually looking for is a group that will put you on a pedestal.
Well,
> I'm sorry to disappoint you but that will not happen.
Your little chats with me are the highlight of your day, dear, and you
know it. You built the pedestal, varnished it, and put it on a nice
little glass dais.
> >I don't care what school you went to,
>
> I didn't tell you... more useless text.
I guess you take things too literally.
> > how many times you
> >tripped over and grazed your knee at kindy,
>
> I didn't tell you... more useless text.
I guess you take things too literally.
> > where your buy your milk
> >from
>
> I didn't tell you... more useless text.
I guess you take things too literally.
> > or what you think about the price of fish.
>
> I didn't tell you... more useless text.
I guess you take things too literally.
Gee, Dale, people stopped using records quite a while ago now. How
about getting with it and pulling yourself out of your dull groove?
> I would, however, like to explain to you what a newsgroup is.
Oooh, I'm all ears.
> It is a
> place for 'discussion'.
Very good.
>When you make a post it is like to receive a
> reply. Amazing, isn't it.
When did you make this discovery? How many other people know?
> If you don't want to be disagreed with, or hear what someone else has
to
> say, then I would advise that you don't post again.
That would be an easy way out for you, wouldn't it?
The same would apply to you, Dale, I'd have nothing to reply to if you
didn't keep making such a fool out of yourself constantly and saying
ridiculous things.
> 'Everyone'? You are basing this statement on what? Also, it is hard
to
> believe that someone who is 'out' as me would expect others to stay in
> the closet.
I don't know how your mind works.
> > You don't want anyone to be harassed because
> >of their sexuality,
>
> Yes, I am guilty of that. I don't think anyone should be harassed
> because of their sexuality. I think you will find that the majority
of
> people in this group would also be guilty of that.
How very clever of you to use half my sentence and reply out of
context. Are you a journalist by any chance?
> The key word here is 'privacy'. Another word you need to look up in
the
> dictionary. Unless, of course, you would prefer to live in a police
> state (do you dream of '1984'?).
Well Nik Kershaw was in vogue then, so I would have to say yes.
And as for the dictionary, it is simply not necessary my dear, my
intelligence and vocabulary is so immensely vast I have the world
between my ears.
> >so your
> >solution? No, don't attack the bigots, the bastards who make life
shit
> >for everyone else - just keep it to yourself and you won't have any
> >problems.
>
> Please quote my text where I am supposed to have said this...
You can't remember what you said? That's a convenient escape route.
> >And then you ask me if I have come to terms with *my* sexuality? Turn
> >it up, dear.
>
> Why, didn't you understand it the first time?
To be honest, I get to "Hi Joshua Christ, you wrote..." and then it's
all crap from there, so any assistance would be helpful.
> >Diddims.
>
> Hmmm... the same as the rest of your statements. Meaningless.
That's what deaf people say about the radio.
> >You take life quite seriously, don't you?
>
> By pointing out that you have no idea what you are talking about?
When
> you make allegations, in a PUBLIC forum, that are untrue? Fine.
Prove that they are untrue. I'm waiting.
> > Do you sit round at dinner-
> >time and piss and moan about the day,
>
> No.
>
> > how the bus driver short changed
> >you
>
> I have a car and don't need to get the bus.
>
> > or the man in the corner shop had run out of Smarties?
>
> I don't eat Smarties.
What a pedantic old piddlewank you are.
> So, you would rather affect someone else's life just to make yours
that
> little bit better. How self-sacrificing for you.
If I was a fifteen-year-old, then yes. I am quite happy to force an
action that will make life easier for a gay youth coming to terms with
his or herself. Because as we all know, it is bloody hard, and you need
all the help you can get.
You don't know that it will affect Martin's life in a bad way. You were
the one saying earlier that we already had "enough" queer celebrities,
so it can't be that much of a trauma for them.
> More uneducated statements. You must enjoy making a fool of yourself
in
> such a public forum.
I may have made a fool of myself at certain points in my life, but at
least I haven't made it a lifestyle choice like you.
> Going by your posting style those 'uneducated', 'irrational' and
> 'irrelevant' shoes must be damn comfortable, and well worn, on your
> feet.
Get your own metaphors, smart-arse.
Niles
>
>I won't be too harsh, though, since I realise that with a name like
>Gordon you're probably a keen wearer of grey zip-up shoes and don't
>have too many friends.
>
Whereas you, Mr. Christ, have such a charming persona that I'm sure you
have difficulty making friends no matter what you're wearing. Were I in
your shoes, zip up or no, I'd think twice before teasing people about
their names.
Moreover, although you seem to have difficulty grasping the idea, it's
possible to have sensible debate, without descending to the level of
making ill-informed personal remarks. This group is largely friendly, and
I, if no other, do not appreciate you polluting a pleasant environment .
--
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Whatever be his pursuits, his eagerness in | ICQ UIN 12724766
them should know no moderation, and leave |
him no sense of fatigue." | www.niles.zetnet.co.uk
Dale
>Indeed I can. Cunticunticunticunticunticunticunti...there I go again.
No, this time it was cunticunticunti... not cunt. Of course, I can
quite see, in your text above, why you have added 'i' with 'cunt'.
Referral to yourself wasn't necessary.
>No, then I'd get everything cocked up and end up looking like I'm
>straight off the special bus.
Special bus... how long is it taking you to think up new insults now
that you have changed your word-of-the-week of 'imbecile'?
Again, you prove you have no discussion or, I believe, social
interaction skills.
>Absolutely. I am always one hundred percent right about everything, and
>Ricky would be much happier in life if he followed the advice of dear
>Uncle Josh, as would you, my dear.
100% right... yeh, right! With your 'sources'.
>And your last chart hit was...?
Who said I had one? Again, you make an irrelevant statement.
>All you need to know, sweetheart, is that I have my sources.
Oh, what a cop out. You can't give any proof so you use such a flimsy
excuse... What is your source? A friend of a friend of a friend whose
boyfriends hairdressers uncles friend says he shagged him?
You are such a flake.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like putting your hand into a lucky dip...and pulling out a snake!
Dale
>Someone presents their opinion passionately, and suddenly everyone gets
>hoity-toity and pulls the "victim" card. Grow up.
Someone else disagrees passionately and all you can do is throw insults
back. Not only are you ill-informed but also a hypocrite.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like being in the Garden Of Eden...and having hayfever!
Do not mail me with 'abuse', use my name instead.
Anthony Allgood
Dale <ab...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Rj7amNAE...@webeye.demon.co.uk...
> Hi Joshua Christ, you wrote:
>
>
> No, this time it was cunticunticunti... not cunt. Of course, I can
> quite see, in your text above, why you have added 'i' with 'cunt'.
> Referral to yourself wasn't necessary.
>
> >No, then I'd get everything cocked up and end up looking like I'm
> >straight off the special bus.
>
> Special bus... how long is it taking you to think up new insults now
> that you have changed your word-of-the-week of 'imbecile'?
>
> Again, you prove you have no discussion or, I believe, social
> interaction skills.
>
> >Absolutely. I am always one hundred percent right about everything, and
> >Ricky would be much happier in life if he followed the advice of dear
> >Uncle Josh, as would you, my dear.
>
> 100% right... yeh, right! With your 'sources'.
>
> >And your last chart hit was...?
>
> Who said I had one? Again, you make an irrelevant statement.
>
> >All you need to know, sweetheart, is that I have my sources.
>
> Oh, what a cop out. You can't give any proof so you use such a flimsy
> excuse... What is your source? A friend of a friend of a friend whose
> boyfriends hairdressers uncles friend says he shagged him?
>
> You are such a flake.
> Dale - Liverpool, England
>
>
>
Now now girls surely you have better things do do with yourselves
Iain Bowen
Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <37f4...@clientnews.cerbernet.co.uk>,
> "James Harvey" <use...@logrus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> news:7svrsb$1mn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> > In article <37f1...@clientnews.cerbernet.co.uk>,
>> > "James Harvey" <use...@logrus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Self-appointed poppycock. Remember that bit of paper with names on
>it
>> > with little boxes next to it you fill in every few years? You're
>making
>> > a choice there, dear.
>>
>> More than you would allow me, it seems.
>
>Dear oh dear, here's another one, Beryl.
>
>hoity-toity and pulls the "victim" card. Grow up.
>
>place
>> > through suicide because they don't feel they fit into society
>already,
>> > sweetheart.
>>
>> Yeah yeah: is this your version of the "to protect our children"
>argument,
>> or does that come later?
>
>This whole discussion has been about role models for youth, you fool,
>so start reading entire sentences instead just the bits that you can
>write a little reply to.
So a plastic Kenoid who you happen to lust after so much that you insist
he's gay makes a perfect role model for youth if he has to be forced out
of a potentially non existant closet. Your method of inducing this is to
post to a newsgroup in a country which is not terribly au fait with this
person and insult the regular denizens who dare to present any divergent
opinion on this matter.
You are either a tedious troll or a tedious kook. Let us have done with
you - welcome to the position of No 4 in my uk.glb kill file.
*plonk*
Iain "nice bit of brick text up there" Bowen
--
\/ "Tolerate Weird Pizza(tm) one day, and find youself staring down the barrel
of a twelve-gauge the next." Geoff Miller in ba.food
Member of the UK Usenet Committee, www.usenet.org.uk ICQ 44811332
Iain Bowen. in deepest B13. Also available at alaric(at)cabal.org.uk
Joshua Christ
Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Someone else disagrees passionately and all you can do is throw
insults
> back.
Oh, boo hoo. Grow up, you big girl, or should I buy you a dress?
Joshua Christ
JohnM <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Really ? And with a name like Joshua Christ you wear what ?
> hippy sandals ? And you lecture us on fashion Mr Smellyfeet ?
Brilliant! He's been posting here for years and it's the first funny
thing he's come up with; very good. ;)
> PS For your rest of your still-born cuberlife: Drag Queen Attitude
which
> is oh, so endearing in clubs does not wear well on the Net.
Actually, it's pretty bloody annoying in real life too. If you're born
with a dick, you should act like a man.
Joshua Christ
Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Indeed I can. Cunticunticunticunticunticunticunti...there I go again.
>
> No, this time it was cunticunticunti... not cunt. Of course, I can
> quite see, in your text above, why you have added 'i' with 'cunt'.
> Referral to yourself wasn't necessary.
Very good, very good. Did mummy help you with that one?
> >No, then I'd get everything cocked up and end up looking like I'm
> >straight off the special bus.
>
> Special bus... how long is it taking you to think up new insults now
> that you have changed your word-of-the-week of 'imbecile'?
There's such a variety of words that can be applied to anal retentives
such as yourself, I've got them comin' out my ears.
> Again, you prove you have no discussion or, I believe, social
> interaction skills.
Why, because I'm not a boring, pedantic fart?
> >And your last chart hit was...?
>
> Who said I had one? Again, you make an irrelevant statement.
Well, apparently I don't know anything about sales and marketing. Since
you seem to be such an authority on the music biz and the attitudes
therein, I assumed you must have had some sort of chart hit - were you
involved with "Loser" by Beck, perchance?
> >All you need to know, sweetheart, is that I have my sources.
>
> Oh, what a cop out. You can't give any proof so you use such a flimsy
> excuse... What is your source?
Tomato and Worcestershire.
> You are such a flake.
I prefer Bounty.
Joshua Christ
Niles <Afy...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Whereas you, Mr. Christ, have such a charming persona that I'm sure
you
> have difficulty making friends no matter what you're wearing.
I don't actually, but continue.
> Moreover, although you seem to have difficulty grasping the idea, it's
> possible to have sensible debate, without descending to the level of
> making ill-informed personal remarks. This group is largely friendly,
and
> I, if no other, do not appreciate you polluting a pleasant
environment .
There's a simple solution, Niles (ooh, just like the short queer one
from Frasier) if you don't like what you're reading, then DON'T read
it! So simple.
Joshua Christ
"Anthony Allgood" <ant...@allgood100.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Now now girls surely you have better things do do with yourselves
>
>
Oooh, that's a no-no, Ant; remember Aunty John says that Draq Queen
Attitude doesn't wear well on the Net.
Mike_B
>On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Joshua Christ wrote:
>
>>
>>I won't be too harsh, though, since I realise that with a name like
>>Gordon you're probably a keen wearer of grey zip-up shoes and don't
>>have too many friends.
>>
>
>your shoes, zip up or no, I'd think twice before teasing people about
>their names.
>
>possible to have sensible debate, without descending to the level of
>making ill-informed personal remarks. This group is largely friendly, and
>I, if no other, do not appreciate you polluting a pleasant environment .
>
>
Not aimed at you alone Niles, but I am absolutely amazed at how many of
you regular guys are taking the time to respond to this tosser. This is
such an obvious troll that it astonishes me there's even a thread
developed about it. Have I missed something here?
--
Mike_B
Scene Guide - Attractions - Hotels - Theatres - Live Chat
http://gay-blackpool.com/
Lee
Subject: Re: Livin' La Vida Poofter
Dale baby,
Why waste your time? Until J.C. does everyone a favor and removes his head
from his arse, there really isn't any point!
Lee
Lee
> intelligence and vocabulary is so immensely vast I have the world
> between my ears.
It must be such a small world....
Lee
Lee
I was just wondering how long you have decided to hang around *this* group
to get those responses (that you are looking for) to quote to your webpage?
Honestly.. How long does it take before you move on? How come you never add
your own posts to the "pathetic post of the week" section of your webpage?
Oh.. I had forgotton! So sorry... It's selected by your holier than thou
self.
And as we're on the topic of your so rightious self...could you please
refrain from using term c*nt, as I'm sure that the ladies (as well as some
of the gentlemen) of this group would appreiciate it.
Lee
Lee
From: Mike_B
> Not aimed at you alone Niles, but I am absolutely amazed at how many of
> you regular guys are taking the time to respond to this tosser. This is
> such an obvious troll that it astonishes me there's even a thread
> developed about it. Have I missed something here?
IMO, though I have replied.. No you haven't missed anything.
Lee
Dave Hughes
> In article <WzDbiLAl...@webeye.demon.co.uk>,
> Dale <da...@webeye.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Someone else disagrees passionately and all you can do is throw
> insults
> > back.
>
> Oh, boo hoo. Grow up, you big girl, or should I buy you a dress?
JC uratediouslittletrollnowfoad
_PLONK_ (and that's a kill file (where u'll end up thruout uk.glb b4 long)
Dave
--
If a man points at the moon, an idiot will look at the finger
-Sufi wisdom
ICQ fuckoff
Peter Corlett
> [...] if you don't like what you're reading, then DON'T read it! So
> simple.
What a good idea.
*plonk*
Niles
Pine doesn't have kill files :(
Still, any day now, I should get Agent back, and a personal net
connection. Maybe I should have a look at rn while I'm stuck reading news
via me unix a/c?
Niles
>
>Not aimed at you alone Niles, but I am absolutely amazed at how many of
>you regular guys are taking the time to respond to this tosser. This is
>such an obvious troll that it astonishes me there's even a thread
>developed about it. Have I missed something here?
>
Well, I don't intend feeding him further. I suppose I'm just not too used
to trolls, and this one is - well, just weird.
St Erroneous
[Killing Christ]
>Pine doesn't have kill files :(
*patpatpat*
>Still, any day now, I should get Agent back, and a personal net
>connection. Maybe I should have a look at rn while I'm stuck reading
>news via me unix a/c?
rn? Ick, no. trn, yes. slrn if you're saner than I.
-michael E
--
St michael (mainly) Erroneous http://www.erroneous.demon.co.uk/
"You and me, we're in this together now ICQ 44119217
None of them can stop us now
We will make it through somehow." -- NIN, We're in this together
G.A.Radford
> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Peter Corlett wrote:
>
> >Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> [...] if you don't like what you're reading, then DON'T read it! So
> >> simple.
> >
> >What a good idea.
> >
> >*plonk*
>
> Pine doesn't have kill files :(
>
> Still, any day now, I should get Agent back, and a personal net
> connection. Maybe I should have a look at rn while I'm stuck reading news
> via me unix a/c?
Alternatively, try tin (nicely threaded), or if you feel like annoying
some vi-ites, try emacs -f gnus :)
Moof - using gnus, and hoping an emacs v. vi war doesn't start
--
G. A. Radford, Moofing at you from Canterbury, UK.
"The Internet is not a network of computers - it is a network of humans...
we are the network, and you *will* be assimilated" - Rik van Riel
Iain Bowen
>Niles <Afy...@nottingham.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Peter Corlett wrote:
>>
>> >Joshua Christ <joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >> [...] if you don't like what you're reading, then DON'T read it! So
>> >> simple.
>> >
>> >What a good idea.
>> >
>> >*plonk*
>>
>> Pine doesn't have kill files :(
>>
>> Still, any day now, I should get Agent back, and a personal net
>> connection. Maybe I should have a look at rn while I'm stuck reading news
>> via me unix a/c?
>
>Alternatively, try tin (nicely threaded), or if you feel like annoying
>some vi-ites, try emacs -f gnus :)
If you can find it, trn4 is the bees knees - all the advantages of trn plus
optional scoring. I seem to be stuck on trn4-test69 for some reason :-)
I love emacs, but gnus and rmail are eeevvvviiiillll.
>Moof - using gnus, and hoping an emacs v. vi war doesn't start
YM "crusade" HTH.
Iain "vi has two modes, beep and corrupt" Bowen
Joshua Christ
Mike_B <Mik...@gay-blackpool.com> wrote:
> Not aimed at you alone Niles, but I am absolutely amazed at how many
of
> you regular guys are taking the time to respond to this tosser. This
is
> such an obvious troll that it astonishes me there's even a thread
> developed about it. Have I missed something here?
Yes you have - the definition of troll.
It's such an easy little label for you lot to slap onto someone who
doesn't present their opinions in a prissy, pass-the-teacakes-dear,
boring PC style.
Some of you need to grow a backbone and learn to defend yourselves
instead of holding onto mummy's apron strings and conveniently
labelling me as a simple shit-stirrer.
Joshua Christ
vinylfreak <vinyl...@vinylfreak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >We could name quite a few eighties groups/artists who aren't gay who
> >have encountered exactly the same problem, Duran Duran for example.
>
> in album and single charts.
Come on, "Electric Barbarella" was lovely. Mind you, "Maria" was good
too.
> >Freddie was as queer as a fish all throughout Queen's career, and it
> >was well known. Queen made bogan shag-a-sheila music right up until
> >Freddie's death, so his penchant for buggery had nothing to do with
> >their decline either.
>
> The US fans disagree with this and argue that it was his finally
coming
> out.
Hmm, well the fans are lucky that they have such a convenient excuse to
use for Queen's decline. If Freddie had been straight, it would merely
have had to have been the truth: changing times, bad records.
"Hot Space" was certainly a fly in the ointment as far as Queen records
went, and seeing as it takes a lot to be big in America, when you cock
up your market as much as they did by releasing such a "strange"
record, it's pretty hard to get back to the top again.
> Most people knew but some claim they didn't?
> Queen made quite a few gay records and Bohemian Rhapsody is partly a
> song to Mary his ex lover telling her that he'd just killed his
straight
> self.
This is the first I have ever heard of this; I imagine that only big
fans of the group or trivia column readers would be aware of this also.
> A quick add on in reply to something you said in another post.
> Records are not dead!!!!!!
> Vinyl is still being made and sells well.
I too, am a bit of a vinyl junkie; but I gotta tell you, more for the
sleeves rather than records themselves! Sleeves were better with vinyl,
it's getting quite difficult for groups to be innovative with such a
small space to work with.
> Some artists have not transferred well onto CD and they are constantly
> remastering the ruddy things trying to get the sound right.
The reason that this happens is that totally different mastering is
required for vinyl and CD. When the first CD reissues came out in the
eighties, the vinyl masters were used to make the CDs - they were
completely unsuitable.
> Anyway CD's are dull little things with no soul? :-)
Think that's bad? Wait till it's all downloads, then you'll really have
no soul!
Reeshar
It might also be worth those members of the ng who complain about
"invisible moderation censorship" recognising that these posts have
been allowed through despite their level of vitriol.
And that's just the way it should be. The prime aim of moderation was
to cut out the large amounts of spam that were stifling the ng. Free
speech continues to be allowed, however unpalatable we might find it
at times.
Richard
Reeshar
<joshua...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <X4sQaRAa...@gay-blackpool.com>,
> Mike_B <Mik...@gay-blackpool.com> wrote:
>
> > This is
> > such an obvious troll that it astonishes me there's even a thread
> > developed about it. Have I missed something here?
>
> Yes you have - the definition of troll.
>
> It's such an easy little label for you lot to slap onto someone who
> doesn't present their opinions in a prissy, pass-the-teacakes-dear,
> boring PC style.
Errm, you can make your opinions felt without having to insult others.
And before you say "He did it first" remember we all have a duty to
think about whether or not we're pouring petrol on the fire rather
than getting our original point across.
And, believe you me, I'm no stranger to forthright speech here, nor to
being flamed nor, as it happens, to retaliating! It doesn't generally
do much good in the end, though. (Don't *anyone* say anything!)
> Some of you need to grow a backbone and learn to defend yourselves
> instead of holding onto mummy's apron strings and conveniently
> labelling me as a simple shit-stirrer.
There you go, you see?
Sorry to sound patronising but that sentence added absolutely
*nothing* to the discussion about whether or not one should "out"
Ricky Martin, or not.
It seems your original premise was based around "Since he's in the
public eye making huge amounts of money off us whilst pretending he's
into the girls when he's not, he's fair game for the world at large to
be put right about who he sleeps with."
I don't see those all as a single issue.
I see that pop stars make inordinate - and IMO unwarranted - sums of
money for doing very little. They're not alone, of course.
I see there *may* be an element of hypocracy if RM were to slag off
gays and we could be absolutely sure that he's "family".
And I have very great concerns about airing information about anyone's
preferences for same sex sexual relations because I know how deeply
these sorts of things can affect us.
RM may be a star. He may have been successful by wooing women. But
that doesn't alter the fact that he's also a human being and may have
difficulty coping with such a public airing of his sexuality. I mean,
how would you feel if he topped himself tomorrow cos he couldn't take
the pressure, especially in the homophobic ole States?
I think, JC, you're confusing expressing views in a clear and
confident manner with barracking all and sundry when they don't agree
with you. Those are bully-boy tactics, not those I'd expect of a
reasoning adult.
Now, I for one *would* like you to stay on this list, if nothing else
because I support diversity in all things, whether sexuality, views or
fashion! ;-)
But this slanging match (with which you are perfectly at liberty to
continue) doesn't really add very much to the total knowledge of
humankind.
Now, here, have a *hug* and calm down.
Richard
James Harvey
> > More than you would allow me, it seems.
>
> Dear oh dear, here's another one, Beryl.
>
> Someone presents their opinion passionately,
No: you put your opinion forward like a condescending turd: that's different
> > > There are plenty of dead young gays and lesbians littering up the
> place
> > > through suicide because they don't feel they fit into society
> already,
> > > sweetheart.
> >
> > Yeah yeah: is this your version of the "to protect our children"
> argument,
> > or does that come later?
>
> This whole discussion has been about role models for youth, you fool,
> so start reading entire sentences instead just the bits that you can
> write a little reply to.
Oh I see what you're interested in now: tedious and gratuitous insults and a
paucity of thought and argument. Bye.
*ploink*
James
James Harvey
Mike_B <Mik...@gay-blackpool.com> wrote in message
news:X4sQaRAa...@gay-blackpool.com...
> Not aimed at you alone Niles, but I am absolutely amazed at how many of
> such an obvious troll that it astonishes me there's even a thread
> developed about it. Have I missed something here?
*weary sigh* I always make one effort just once for form's sake.
You're right, of course
James
JohnM
<joshua...@my-deja.com> writes
>In article <UKWbBbAoBe93EwO$@scroll.demon.co.uk>,
> JohnM <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Really ? And with a name like Joshua Christ you wear what ?
>> hippy sandals ? And you lecture us on fashion Mr Smellyfeet ?
>
>Brilliant! He's been posting here for years and it's the first funny
>thing he's come up with; very good. ;)
Right then, Mr Christ, if you intend to post on the Net - and I am
imparting some of the experience of all those years to you - be
prepared that others might disagree with you. If you can not argue
and start name-calling and post wild insults against everyone, not
only do you present a portrait of a loudmouth, obnoxious and malicious
troll, but you also weaken your original point which disappears
in the sea of insults.
As you have rather made a bad start I suggest that you stop posting in
this thread sharpish and that you wait a bit until you post anywhere
else.
>> PS For your rest of your still-born cuberlife: Drag Queen Attitude
>which
>> is oh, so endearing in clubs does not wear well on the Net.
>
>Actually, it's pretty bloody annoying in real life too. If you're born
>with a dick, you should act like a man.
Well, I'm glad you agree, coz that's what your posts indicate: someone
born with a dick who does NOT act like a man, and tries to belittle
others not by the force of his argument, but by personal unworthy
insults - just like a drag queen, in fact. No, make that an _ugly_ drag
queen, to borrow your style.
--
JohnM
What people write on CVs #7
"Work Experience: Dealing with customers' conflicts that arouse."
Web site http://www.scroll.demon.co.uk/spaver.htm
South African travelogue http://www.scroll.demon.co.uk/za.htm
Dale
>Dale baby,
>Why waste your time? Until J.C. does everyone a favor and removes his head
>from his arse, there really isn't any point!
You are right... Normally I would have stood back earlier but such
ignorance was difficult to ignore.
--
Dale - Liverpool, England
Life is like being on top of the World...just as it topples over!
Do not mail me with 'abuse', use my name instead.
Joshua Christ
JohnM <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Right then, Mr Christ, if you intend to post on the Net - and I am
> imparting some of the experience of all those years to you - be
> prepared that others might disagree with you.
I am very prepared, John, it would seem that others are not so prepared
for me.
> If you can not argue
> and start name-calling and post wild insults against everyone, not
> only do you present a portrait of a loudmouth, obnoxious and malicious
> troll, but you also weaken your original point which disappears
> in the sea of insults.
Oh dear, the name-calling and wild insults are too much, are they?
What boring, pathetic lives you all lead.
When you did debates at school, it was always against the rules to
insult, but you *know* that it was the best bit. Spice up your lives,
for Christ's sake. It is possible to both argue and insult!
> As you have rather made a bad start I suggest that you stop posting in
> this thread sharpish and that you wait a bit until you post anywhere
> else.
Suggestion noted and hereby completely ignored.
Why have I made a bad start? Because I have unceremoniously killfiled
by hordes of people? I am not here to make friends.
> Well, I'm glad you agree, coz that's what your posts indicate: someone
> born with a dick who does NOT act like a man, and tries to belittle
> others not by the force of his argument, but by personal unworthy
> insults - just like a drag queen, in fact. No, make that an _ugly_
drag
> queen, to borrow your style.
Very good, very good.
Now, John, politicians and leaders of state insult each other every day
in their respective parliaments, but are they called ugly drag queens?
No, they're not.
They may be called a host of other offensive and amusing names, but not
drag queens.
You're just calling me that because I'm posting in a gay newsgroup and
you've got me pictured as some limp-wristed woolly moof with a pink
tafeta posting after I've had a few too many glasses of champers.
Do you have a problem with stereotyping, dear?
Joshua Christ
Joshua Christ
vinylfreak <vinyl...@vinylfreak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Wasn't a Duran fan but they did make a couple of excellent records a
few
> years ago.
> Had hoped to hear more but wasn't impressed although I shall check the
> album out to see if I missed anything.
"Medazzaland" was "Barbarella"'s parent record, and it was a minor
masterpiece. Very strange and quirky, but a great listen nonetheless.
> Hot Space flopped in the UK too but personally I now think it was a
good
> album, though different, from Queen.
I always quite liked it, but I got rid of it for some reason, along
with most of my other Queen albums. I only have the Greatest Hits
double collection and the "Made In Heaven" one now, although I'm
meaning to get back quite a lot of the ones I had before.
> Not really it is only just emerging and is causing fans to argue.
> Most popular music mags have mentioned this fact but it is mostly the
US
> fans who have a problem with this new insight.
A bit like Rob Halford's coming out. Q magazine wittily reported that a
few trailer-park Priest fans were reported to be disappointed.
> There are reappraisals going on in most of the music press of what
Queen
> were.
> Innovative and underrated are just two common comments and praise for
> one of the most entertaining frontsmen to have ever lived.
He certainly could get away with things that would be considered
incredibly dodgy if put out by any other band.
> I have a customer who is doing some sort of article on this and he is
> really keen to hear why people collect sleeves and such.
> Maybe if he gets to do the article you might be interested in giving
> some opinions at a later date?
> One of my favourites is by the 70's band Birth Control.
> Music isn't great but the cover appeals to me.
Ah, for me they go hand in hand. The best sleeves would give you an
idea of what the record sounded like.
> And I will be out of business. :-(
> Thankfully some of us hate downloads too.
Once again to refer to Q mag, there was a great piece in an issue that
was out in the last couple of months that was a "look into the future"
of what the biz would be like by 2010, it was quite funny.
Hopefully, the MP3 thing will die after a while, once people get their
dinky downloads and play them thru their very expensive home stereo
systems and realise that the sound quality is utter crap compared to
CDs.