Does my PS need a new laser?
csn
Recently it's been playing up a bit especially when it's been on for a
while. Back-ups which it previously had no problems playing will not
sometimes not load beyond the PS Europe screen. Also it is freezing
mid-game a lot recently when trying to load new scenes or else it takes an
abnormally long time to load. Then if you let it cool down for a couple of
hours it is OK for 10 minutes again and then it starts acting up once more.
Anyone familiar with this type of problem? Is it the laser or something
else? Is it worth getting it fixed? Replies welcome.
Boggis
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Sounds very familiar. Try using it with the machine turned upside down, or
on its side. Takes the weight off the laser track thing and often helps it
load. The cooling down helps because the old design which you probably have
has the power unit right next to the track, and the heat warps it out of
alignment.
>Replies welcome.
Wouldn't be much point posting otherwise!!
Boggis xxx
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Mike Kay
yes sounds like it could be the laser. one of mine went that way (I have
had 3).
is it worth repairing????.... dunno really, a new laser is between 30 & 40
notes...... put it this way it is not worth repairing to sell on, but it
depends on what it is worth to you. I would be tempted to buy a ready
chipped one of a bloke on this board (cant remember name) I belive he does
model 7's & above, chipped with 3 months warranty for 60 notes.
does it work ok with originals? if so you could sell it on, but for clear
concience could state it is not happy with CDR's.
my 1st psx stopped reading CDR's many moons ago, but is still happily
running originals in a mates house 2 years down the line.
Mike Kay
>
> Why are you pirates so fucking scared to say that you own pirate software
> instead of hiding behind definitions like 'back-ups'.. You no doubt don't
> own the original software, so what you have is Illegal Pirate Material.....
> At least have courage of your convictions and have the balls to say so......
he can call em what he wants. At least he is not being a foul mouthed
offensive git unlike others in this thread.
besides have you never heard of the term innocent until proven guilty?
@'v'@
> Recently it's been playing up a bit especially when it's been on for a
> while. Back-ups which it previously had no problems playing will not
> sometimes not load beyond the PS Europe screen.
Why are you pirates so fucking scared to say that you own pirate software
instead of hiding behind definitions like 'back-ups'.. You no doubt don't
own the original software, so what you have is Illegal Pirate Material.....
At least have courage of your convictions and have the balls to say so......
joel-ralph
that we don't own the originals?? Who knows, some of us might, who are you to
come along calling us pirates? It is the same as recording off TV. Now I suggest
on you letter to Santa Claus you request a dictionary and Thesaurus, you may
learn how to put an argument across without sounding illiterate.
Tim Miller
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> Who is saying
> that we don't own the originals?? Who knows, some of us might,
In which case, use the originals in your Playstation. There are no need for
"backups"; if your disc gets broken ring the manufacturer and arrange for
them to send you a replacement in return for the original and a small fee.
Tim (tm)
Boggis
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>It is the same as recording off TV.
How exactly do you work that out? It's not the same at all, and everyone who
owns a "backup" copy of a game knows that it's illegal to have one without
owning the original game (and hence the licence to use copyright material).
If you own the original, you might as well play the original, no?
I hope this thread doesn't degenerate into name calling and so on. It's
bound to, what with being cross-posted, but I hope it doesn't. Keep it civil
folks.
joel-ralph
commiting piracy, the film is copyrighted, and as you are recording the film off
TV, it claims that you don't own the original video, hence being piracy. It is
EXACTLY the same. Having a home made copy of copyright material is piracy, and
recording from TV is home made, and so is copying computer/game software. So if
one is piracy, so is the other, and I bet even Mr non piracy, has recorded off
TV at one time in his life, so he has absolutely no right to verbally abuse
someone else for not having enough money to pay £35 a shot for a game CD, when
you can get exactly the same thing for less than a fiver.
*.!!.*
so he has absolutely no right to verbally abuse
after reading the post person swears in general and not directly at the
poster and you have the cheek to call moral standards when you are commiting
far more grevious an act..
"Oh look that kettle is black" says the pot
> someone else for not having enough money to pay £35 a shot for a game CD,
when
> you can get exactly the same thing for less than a fiver.
>
Going on your logic
I can't afford some silver cutlery and war medals, so I guess becuase I can
break into your old grandparents house and steal them that would be
alright.. And if they catch me and call me a name I'll kick them to death as
they HAVE NO RIGHT TO VERBALLY ABUSE ME!!!
Or can't afford a new car
So I break into yours and drive it away.
The reason games cost so much is three fold.
Cost of development, manufacturing and marketing
Cost of shop's profit afterall they have rates, rent and staff wages to pay
Cost of lost revenue due to thiefs pirating the software in order to get it
a bit cheaper..
Piracy is wrong no matter how you look at it, and whether you admit it or
not people are using the Term backup to justify their theft.
If you are going to spout on about Moral standards and depalure someone on
theirs at least get yours in order first.
Danthecoat
adjusting it goes out of line from all the force from inserting discs over
the years
Hope that helps
*.!!.* <o-_...@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
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Angus MacCulloch
joel-ralph wrote:
>
> It's easily worked out, if a film is on TV, and it is recorded by a VCR, it is
> commiting piracy, the film is copyrighted, and as you are recording the film off
> TV, it claims that you don't own the original video, hence being piracy.
Actually it's not, see the Video Recordings Act 1984 which created an
exemption from the copyright laws for 'time-shift' recording on VCR.
As long as it is for personal use a recoding to watch a TV programme
at a different time is not a violation of copyright.
> It is
> EXACTLY the same. Having a home made copy of copyright material is piracy, and
> recording from TV is home made, and so is copying computer/game software. So if
> one is piracy, so is the other
Not necessarily.
Angus.
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Bob De Bilde
yourself, your family (who must be totally embarrassed by being related to
you) and the world a favour and take a blow-heater into the bath with you?
joel-ralph <joel-...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Boggis
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>
> joel-ralph wrote:
> >
> > It's easily worked out, if a film is on TV, and it is recorded by a VCR,
it is
> > commiting piracy, the film is copyrighted, and as you are recording the
film
>>off TV, it claims that you don't own the original video, hence being
piracy.
> Actually it's not, see the Video Recordings Act 1984 which created an
> exemption from the copyright laws for 'time-shift' recording on VCR.
> As long as it is for personal use a recoding to watch a TV programme
> at a different time is not a violation of copyright.
Thanks Angus, I was trying to write something similar, but wasn't sure of
the legal stuff. Recording to sell or broadcast in public is an offence, but
for personal use it's not.
Bob De Bilde
> at a different time is not a violation of copyright.
Wot about recording to watch at the same time? ;o))
ARNIE
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Mike Kay
>
joel-ralph wrote:
> >
> > It's easily worked out, if a film is on TV, and it is recorded by a VCR, it is
> > commiting piracy, the film is copyrighted, and as you are recording the film off
> > TV, it claims that you don't own the original video, hence being piracy.
>
> Actually it's not, see the Video Recordings Act 1984 which created an
> exemption from the copyright laws for 'time-shift' recording on VCR.
> As long as it is for personal use a recoding to watch a TV programme
> at a different time is not a violation of copyright.
not sure how that stands now with satelite, pay per view etc.
copying the top 40 off the radio is still an offence i belive, but i am
sure many of us have done that, to get the new hear'say single & the like
;o)
Tim Miller
news:Pine.OSF.4.21.010405...@fes11.sanger.ac.uk...
>
> copying the top 40 off the radio is still an offence i belive, but i am
> sure many of us have done that, to get the new hear'say single & the like
> ;o)
The only reason I'd record that off the radio would be to STAMP ON IT.
Tim (tm)
*.!!.*
> You truly are the stupidest prick ever to grace this NG. Why don't you do
> yourself, your family (who must be totally embarrassed by being related to
> you) and the world a favour and take a blow-heater into the bath with you?
The irony being that by taking this stupid insulting line of post you have
thus levelled yourself at the same level as the poster you are deplauding.
@'v'@
wrote.
I do not see why we honest people who purchase games should have to pay a
higher premium simply because some thieves wish to make a quick buck or save
a bit of cash.
As other's have pointed out that there is no need to own a backup (assuming
you are 1 of the 0.25% of pirates who own the original). Companies will
replace your broken disc if you send it back to them.
Whilst my swearing may be deamed insulting, I find it far far more insulting
that these people contiuiusly post these backup questions, especially on a
newsgroup whose very charter prohibits such..
"'@'v'@'" <plogol...@posulpinm.conk> wrote in message
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Mike Jenkins
<plogol...@posulpinm.conk> wrote:
>Ok I apologise for the strong language. I am however mean everything I
>wrote.
>I do not see why we honest people who purchase games should have to pay a
>higher premium simply because some thieves wish to make a quick buck or save
>a bit of cash.
Are you implying that software costs so much because of piracy?
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Boggis
> Whilst my swearing may be deamed insulting, I find it far far more
insulting
> that these people contiuiusly post these backup questions, especially on a
> newsgroup whose very charter prohibits such..
Well done for apologising, but in case you hadn't noticed, this thread is
(was) cross-posted to ugvp.forsale as well as ugvp. There isn't a charter in
there and they have lots of adverts. Expect some angry replies from the
people in there.
This, folks, is why cross-posting is a BAD idea.
Boggis
> Whilst my swearing may be deamed insulting, I find it far far more
insulting
> that these people contiuiusly post these backup questions, especially on a
> newsgroup whose very charter prohibits such..
Well done for apologising, but in case you hadn't noticed, this thread is
Boggis
> Whilst my swearing may be deamed insulting, I find it far far more
insulting
> that these people contiuiusly post these backup questions, especially on a
> newsgroup whose very charter prohibits such..
Well done for apologising, but in case you hadn't noticed, this thread is
Mike Jenkins
<boggissimo-I-prefer-l...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
No, really, GET RID OF IT.
Boggis
message news:9aki23$5k8jj$1...@ID-45973.news.dfncis.de...
> This, folks, is why cross-posting is a BAD idea.
And this, folks, is why Outlook Expréss is a BAD idea.
Apologies for the multiple posts, it's having a bad day.
Boggis
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> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:53:16 +0100, "Boggis"
> <boggissimo-I-prefer-l...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> No, really, GET RID OF IT.
I'd love to, but there's a college PC/administrator/installation blockage
type shenanigan (is there such a thing as a singular shenanigan?) so I don't
have many options.
I think it's just the German server having a bad afternoon, so that every
time I synchronise, it reckons it hasn't sent my messages, so it tries to
send them again. Then suddenly they all get through at the same time, making
me look a tit.
SORRY AGAIN!
Tim Miller
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>
> I'd love to, but there's a college PC/administrator/installation blockage
> type shenanigan (is there such a thing as a singular shenanigan?) so I
don't
> have many options.
>
DELETED.
> I think it's just the German server having a bad afternoon, so that every
> time I synchronise, it reckons it hasn't sent my messages, so it tries to
> send them again. Then suddenly they all get through at the same time,
making
> me look a tit.
>
You don't need the news server for that! Do you use news.cis.dfn.de? I do,
and I've had no such problem.
Tim (tm)
Mike Jenkins
<boggissimo-I-prefer-l...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Mike Jenkins <mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:fpjrct4j31fdqkdle...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:53:16 +0100, "Boggis"
>> <boggissimo-I-prefer-l...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> No, really, GET RID OF IT.
>
>I'd love to, but there's a college PC/administrator/installation blockage
>type shenanigan (is there such a thing as a singular shenanigan?) so I don't
>have many options.
Easy solution: Change colleges. A small price to pay for avoiding the
hell that is Outlook Express.
@'v'@
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:48:03 +0100, "'@'v'@'"
> <plogol...@posulpinm.conk> wrote:
>
> >Ok I apologise for the strong language. I am however mean everything I
> >wrote.
> >I do not see why we honest people who purchase games should have to pay a
> >higher premium simply because some thieves wish to make a quick buck or
save
> >a bit of cash.
>
> Are you implying that software costs so much because of piracy?
Yes and no. Piracy does add to the cost of a game as companies have to make
up for lost revenue.
But the cost is also calculated on lots of variables. Personally I do not
have a problem with paying £30 - £40 for a piece of software which someone
has spent hundreds of man hours, invested in the marketing and manufacturing
and put it in a store which has to pay rates and wages to it's staff.
By pirating hence, stealing you are damaging the job's of a huge chain of
people and also effecting those of us who do pay for our games..
Boggis
:-)
Don't worry, I'm leaving the college altogether quite soon, just to get away
from OE! [1]
Boggis xxx
[1] Possible lie.
Boggis
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> "Boggis" <boggissimo-I-prefer-l...@hotmail.com> wrote >
> I think it's just the German server having a bad afternoon, so that every
> > time I synchronise, it reckons it hasn't sent my messages, so it tries
to
> > send them again. Then suddenly they all get through at the same time,
> >making me look a tit.
> >
> You don't need the news server for that!
OI! :-)
>Do you use news.cis.dfn.de? I do, and I've had no such problem.
I do, it seems to have sorted itself out now anyway.
Cheers,
joel-ralph
to stamp on a game, or the dog thinks it looks tasty, will they replace it then,
no. Even if the game goes faulty after a month or two, they won't replace it,
they say it has been ill treated. You say "honest people" pay more, oh you mean
the ever decreasing price of games? They have to pay less and less every time a
game comes out? That is so hard to do right? I don't think so, anyway, why are
you here is you don't like the content? It just doesn't add up.
Tim Miller
> OK, so if as quite a few times has happened to me, a child of the family
decides
> to stamp on a game, or the dog thinks it looks tasty, will they replace it
then,
Yes. Send them a nominal fee and they will.
> no. Even if the game goes faulty after a month or two, they won't replace
it,
> they say it has been ill treated.
They'll replace it if you ask them nicely.
> You say "honest people" pay more, oh you mean
> the ever decreasing price of games?
£2 for a Mastertronic game -> £30 for a DC game. Yes, I can see how that's
ever-decreasing ... what he *is* saying is that if all those who played a
game had bought it legally, the cost of development would be spread over a
wier base, and software companies wouldn't have to charge as much.
Of course, they wouldn't have to, but they might well do. And not all those
who pirate a game would buy it. But that point still stands.
> They have to pay less and less every time a
> game comes out? That is so hard to do right? I don't think so, anyway, why
are
> you here is you don't like the content? It just doesn't add up.
>
He's here becasue he likes the fact that THIS NEWSGROUP BANS DISCUSSION OF
HOW TO PIRATE GAMES. I've put the important bit in capitals for you. If
you want to pirate games, go to another group.
Tim (tm)
Boggis
> "joel-ralph" <joel-...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>I don't think so, anyway, why are
> > you [1] here is you don't like the content? It just doesn't add up.
> He's here becasue he likes the fact that THIS NEWSGROUP BANS
>DISCUSSION OF HOW TO PIRATE GAMES. I've put the important bit
>in capitals for you [2] . If you want to pirate games, go to another
group.
Don't forget, this message is cross-posted, so [1] and [2] are already in
separate groups....
This is why cross-posting is bad!
Tim Miller
message news:9akq7c$5b7do$1...@ID-45973.news.dfncis.de...
>
> Don't forget, this message is cross-posted, so [1] and [2] are already in
> separate groups....
>
> This is why cross-posting is bad!
>
again.
Tim (tm)
joel-ralph
first came out, £45-£50, now how much are they? £9.99-£35, can you see the ever
decreasing part there? Send a nominal fee? That is more money, how much, a
fiver, so you can send an extra fiver, or spend less than 50p on a CD and copy
it. These groups may prohibit piracy, but that doesn't stop it being talked
about, every post, all the time. You can't expect 99% of he people to leave,
just because the 1% don't like what they are talking about. You do the math on
all I have just said.
*.!!.*
You try and justify your theft by screaming and ranting about the cost of
games to those of us honest enough to fork out for that game.
It's quite simple if you can't afford the game you work hard or save up to
purchase a copy, that way you have helped society instead of leaching off of
it. (by A) generating income and captial B) spread that captial C) which
means other people can be hired in there jobs and so the chain revolves.)
Whilst your screaming and slagging off the poster remember here that those
who pirate and backup are the ones in the wrong and not the poster who
simply expresses his detest at such practice.
Are your the same kind of person who thinks police men are the filth and
pigs, simply because they are holding up the moral values which seperate
those of us with a conscience to those who have as much conscience as pond
scum.
However I admire your adacity, at least you admit you pirate which is more
than the majority of the pirates who lurk on this news group, hiding behing
stupid terms because they think by calling a pirate a backup it justify's
there theft. There is no justifcation for theft IMHO.
"joel-ralph" <joel-...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Mike Jenkins
wrote:
<snip>
>However I admire your adacity, at least you admit you pirate which is more
>than the majority of the pirates who lurk on this news group, hiding behing
>stupid terms because they think by calling a pirate a backup it justify's
>there theft. There is no justifcation for theft IMHO.
Piracy comes down to this:
Joe Punter goes into GAME and sees games for sale for 10-30 quid each.
Joe Punter goes down the market and sees games for sale at three quid
a throw.
What will Joe Punter choose? To spend an extra 7-25 odd quid extra for
a nice box or manual? The vast majority of people don`t care about the
games industry, they just see that they can pay a lot less for their
copy of FIFA (version) 2001 down the market.
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_________________________________________
*.!!.*
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:26:19 GMT, "*.!!.*" <o-_...@esatclear.ie>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >However I admire your adacity, at least you admit you pirate which is
more
> >than the majority of the pirates who lurk on this news group, hiding
behing
> >stupid terms because they think by calling a pirate a backup it justify's
> >there theft. There is no justifcation for theft IMHO.
>
> Piracy comes down to this:
>
> Joe Punter goes into GAME and sees games for sale for 10-30 quid each.
> Joe Punter goes down the market and sees games for sale at three quid
> a throw.
>
> What will Joe Punter choose? To spend an extra 7-25 odd quid extra for
> a nice box or manual? The vast majority of people don`t care about the
> games industry, they just see that they can pay a lot less for their
> copy of FIFA (version) 2001 down the market.
And isn't that a Sad Reflection on the majority of people and the world we
live in...........
Mike Jenkins
wrote:
>And isn't that a Sad Reflection on the majority of people and the world we
>live in...........
Maybe so, but you can kind of see their point.
*.!!.*
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:58:09 GMT, "*.!!.*" <o-_...@esatclear.ie>
> wrote:
>
> >And isn't that a Sad Reflection on the majority of people and the world
we
> >live in...........
>
> Maybe so, but you can kind of see their point.
>
Yes but it boils down to the individual.
Greed is but one of the seven deadly sins.... give into temptation and
slowly and surely corrupt your own morality, or fight and stand up for what
you believe in.
Jeff
clearly the lackadaisical use of grammar and inability to spell correctly
shown in your rantings are NOT acceptable!
I can't believe you have the *audacity* to post such badly constructed
criticisms!
On a more serious note, have you never copied a friends music CD onto
cassette or photocopied a few pages from a book - both of which, in legal
terms, are the same as copying a PSX game.
"*.!!.*" <o-_...@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
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> Joel you appear to have a real attitude problem.
**Snipped bullshit hyperbole**
>
Mike Jenkins
wrote:
>
>"Mike Jenkins" <mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:h3dsctcfe3pjchpeh...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:58:09 GMT, "*.!!.*" <o-_...@esatclear.ie>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >And isn't that a Sad Reflection on the majority of people and the world
>we
>> >live in...........
>>
>> Maybe so, but you can kind of see their point.
>>
>
>
>Yes but it boils down to the individual.
>Greed is but one of the seven deadly sins.... give into temptation and
>slowly and surely corrupt your own morality, or fight and stand up for what
>you believe in.
Oh come on, if you really think that copying a few computer games is
going to bring about the moral destruction of an individual, you have
seriously mixed up priorities.
*.!!.*
Typing quickly and spelling a few words incorrectly is FAR worse than theft.
Also which 'rantings' were you referring too? I never ranted, but clearly
wrote my objections and beliefs on the subject matter of the post and the
lack of total disregard for an industry that we are all posting messages on
a Newsgroup in reference to.
"Jeff" <Jeff.House@*NOSPAM*btinternet.com> wrote in message
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*.!!.*
>
> Oh come on, if you really think that copying a few computer games is
> going to bring about the moral destruction of an individual, you have
> seriously mixed up priorities.
No Mike you miss the whole point. What I'm saying is if you start justifying
piracy / theft, it is a slow downhill slope into justifying other acts.
Also I am not so much concerned with Adults making this choice (even though
they should know better), but if you have young impressionable children
being tought that this is acceptable and OK to do, then they are getting
very mixed messages and I would think the misconception of right and wrong
could (and I am not saying will) lead to these children being brought up
with the impression that If you cant afford somthing it's alright to steal
it. Whether this starts off as piracy and leads to petty theft and then in
many cases to serious theft.
I am not trying to take the high moral ground on the issue of Piracy, but at
least someone in this Newsgroup is doing somthing to counter act the
constant baragment of posts regarding piracy.
I do not believe I am going to convert people, but if only one person thinks
twice next time they give a pirate game to their children then at least I
have achieved somthing far more constructive to the industry and society
than the countless amount of pirates who lurk on this NG.
I hope I have made my position clear and I hope that some of you can at
least objectivly see my point of view.
Mike Jenkins
wrote:
I can see your point of view, you have put it across well and I can
understand it (although not necessarily agree with it). And in the
case of currently available games, I always buy them from shops.
In the case of older systems, where software sis no longer available
and not being manufatured, however, my view is changed, but that`s not
for this newsgroup.
Danthecoat
be no point in copying and selling ,but the fact is there is a call for it
and in my experience alot more people are glad of this service than are not.
So if people do buy PIRATE software or make PIRATE software what has that to
do with you?
Are you a policeman?
I don't mean this in a bad way and am not playing down your view as to
piracy but as far as i can see noone here has tried to ram their opinions of
PIRACY is GREAT down anyones throat but you have tried to demand people
state that you are right for your beliefs when it comes to PIRACY.
Beliefs are Beliefs especially when they are MORAL BELIEFS but they are also
personal and should not be stamped on or forced to change.
If you don't like the subject of piracy in any form then don't reply i'm
sure all the PIRATES don't send you lists and try to force you to buy ???
And i'm SURE the reason people use the term BACKUP is not because the are
frightened of offending people like yourself or have no BALLS(as you put it)
its probably due to the fact that they would rather not be Arrested or put
themselves in danger of that?
Please don't feel i am in any way condoning Piracy but on the flipside i
also hardly think its a HURTFUL crime.
You are fully intitled to your views i in no way would
A. Try to change your beliefs
B. Tell you you are wrong
C. Look down on you or slag you off for the way you or anyone feels about
this but i and alot of others i'm sure would also like to be shown the same
respect.
Thanks for listening and sorry for the spellings :)
Danny
Jeff <Jeff.House@*NOSPAM*btinternet.com> wrote in message
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*.!!.*
however I refer you to the post I replied to Mike.
What I'm saying is if you start justifying
piracy / theft, it is a slow downhill slope into justifying other acts.
Also I am not so much concerned with Adults making this choice (even though
they should know better), but if you have young impressionable children
being tought that this is acceptable and OK to do, then they are getting
very mixed messages and I would think the misconception of right and wrong
could (and I am not saying will) lead to these children being brought up
with the impression that If you cant afford somthing it's alright to steal
it. Whether this starts off as piracy and leads to petty theft and then in
many cases to serious theft.
I am not trying to take the high moral ground on the issue of Piracy, but at
least someone in this Newsgroup is doing somthing to counter act the
constant baragment of posts regarding piracy.
I do not believe I am going to convert people, but if only one person thinks
twice next time they give a pirate game to their children then at least I
have achieved somthing far more constructive to the industry and society
than the countless amount of pirates who lurk on this NG.
I hope I have made my position clear and I hope that some of you can at
least objectivly see my point of view.
Cheers *.!!.*
"Danthecoat" <dan.t...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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joel-ralph
expensive to buy a cdr copy of a game, than buy the original game at a
pathetically high price. If putting a point across is having an attitude
problem, you must have a serious attitude problem too. I don't see how anything
that I said required the resortion to personal insults. All that I said was
correct, you may feel it is the wrong way to do things, but it is all correctly
put across.
Just a bit of friendly advice, if you are going to try and argue, do it without
any spelling mistakes.
*.!!.*
> Attitude problem? I am just putting the point across that it is a lot less
> expensive to buy a cdr copy of a game, than buy the original game at a
> pathetically high price.
Obviously. This logic could be applied to everything, but have you any idea
how much it cost's a games developer to create a game, or how much it costs
to market that product and of course lastly the costs / overhead of the
retailers.
Yes they want some profit, but what would be the point of any games
developers or retail stores operating if they did not make money.
By purchasing these pirate games you are putting pressure on the retail
outlet and the games company behind that game. Thus harming the industry
which I presume you claim to support by utilising a newsgroup about that
industry.
>If putting a point across is having an attitude
> problem, you must have a serious attitude problem too. I don't see how
anything
> that I said required the resortion to personal insults. All that I said
was
> correct, you may feel it is the wrong way to do things, but it is all
correctly
> put across.
I have no problem with people putting their points across, and I may have
misinterpreted you but from the posts I read it appeared that you simply
could not accept that piracy was bad and in fact it appered to me that you
were desperate to justify the piracy by simply stating the blatant obvious.
That is why I said you appeared to have an attitude problem. If I was wrong
and have caused you insult I appologise.
> Just a bit of friendly advice, if you are going to try and argue, do it
without
> any spelling mistakes.
Why?
Is it because the person you are arguing with has no basis for there stance
and there argument relies on ignorance and greed rather than common sense
and decency.
So in order to put down or continue the argument with the poster they make
pathetic attempts at belittling their spelling.
A few spelling mistakes and gramatical errors are far less to worry about
than the theft we are all debating about in these posts.