The Slider Files - European Computer Trade Show 1998.
Paul Irvine
wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>I've just got back from the ECTS at Olympia, London so here's a nice
>little report about the new games that were on display...
>
Another GIT!!!!!!!!!! who did not make the meet yet went thanks to moi!!
Slider you SOD!!
Arggggghh!!
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Chris J
<Sli...@thepentagon.comREMOVE-THIS-SPAMBUSTER> writes
>Quake 2 - We've all seen this on the PC and know it's one of the best
>games ever, but will it work on the PSX.? Well, I'm not sure. Y'see,
>I only played it in two player mode so it was split screen but the gfx
>resembled Doom more than they did Quake and while it might well be a
>good game ( I didn't get to play it that long ) it didn't seem all
>that good at first glance. It wasn't bad, but just don't expect to
>get the PC version.
I thought it looked OK (when it FINALLY got up and running!). Graphics
better than I had expected.
>Tomb Raider 3 - This is basically the same as the other TR games, if
>you liked them then you'll like this. The only difference I saw was
>that the graphics looked a little nicer and the cutscenes also looked
>better. The game did look much better on the PC than the PSX though.
I thought some of the camera switches were a bit too abrupt. But it was
nice of the demo to give you all the weapons at the start :) And it
looks very nice in hi-res mode.
>Metal Gear Solid - You couldn't just walk up and play this game, you
>had to go into a mini-movie theater to watch a 10 minute movie of the
>game and then you could play it before leaving the building and this
>game was top. The gfx weren't as impressive as some of the PC stuff
>but the cloaked enemy shadow looked excellent. One of the best games
>of the show.
You *actually* queued for it? As a (less impressive but still
worthwhile) alternative, watch the rolling demo on Sony's Winter
Releases CD, not 10 minutes but pretty nice. They need to sort out the
sound FX though.
>Zelda 64 - This is pretty much the only N64 game I played as all of
>the rest looked crap, blocky 3d mario-esque type things but seeing as
>the last Zelda game was so good I thought I'd try it. Arse. What
>have they done to this game.? Gone is the arcade-rpg style game of
>the previous games, in comes more 3D dullness just like Mario 64.
And it'll be lucky to see a Xmas release from the looks of it.
>Ninja - This is sort of like TR crossed with Tk and Last Ninja and it
>seems a good game ( except it was far too easy to get killed )
Try playing the OPSM demo, it's pretty cack. Pretty much like Last Ninja
in 3D - but that was cack too. Mindless attacks, no strategy, and silly
the way you drown if you slide down the bank a 2nd time, but not the
first. Most unimpressive.
>Gangsters - 3D viewpoint where you are a gangster. Looks good and
>played well and could be a good game.
Looked a bit like Syndicate Wars, only smoother and more detailed. Shame
it's PC only.
>Babylon 5 - This looked great. Imagine X-Wing but in the B5 universe
>and as a sim. The only possible negative factor is that you may only
>be able to pilot a Star Fury and not a White Star :)
Another game that rarely seemed to be doing much, but when it started
moving it looked great. All the great graphics of something like Blast
Radius, but with more of a realistic and strategic feel. I want a PSX
version!
>Tekken 3 - It's not as slow as some people have said it is, but the
>game looked squashed because of the borders. Okay, but still get the
>import version :)
Slow as anything, but the movies are nice :)
>Free stuff.
Oh yes :)
>Chicks in tight-fitting pvc outfits.
>The chick in an even tighter fitting pvc outfit on the Eidos stand :)
And Andy taking lots of photos of them all (I think that's the only
reason he went back in!) :)
>Sega not being there at all, but having a small thing in a nearby
> hotel.
Don't forget the Dreamcast video by the entrance. On a Sony TV :)
>Every N64 game looking exactly the same as the last one. And they all
> seemed highly average as well.
I hadn't played Banjo before, thought it wasn't all that hot really. The
new F-Zero thing was quite fun in 2P, but not worth the 50-odd quid
it'll cost.
>Eidos having a lot of good games.
And the bloke from Eidos who gave us those press CDs :)
>There were also a lot of other games and I'll probably mention some of
>them later :)
Crash 3 was pretty good, thought the first level was a bit samey but
went back and tried some others, the underwater bit was good and it's
VERY slick. Plus lots more amusing ways to die - the getting chopped in
half and watching your legs walk away was particularly funny.
Silent Hill looks like being absolutely fantastic. The CGI movies are
the best I've seen, and the game looks really atmospheric. If it's got
plenty of play time in it, it might be the even better than MGS
(blasphemy I know, but I was seriously impressed).
And anyone who's going tomorrow, check out some of the dodgy english
translation - best example so far is in the Kama CD inlay - "You need
careful attention to explained with web page form which is the way of
starting each games, then follow the instructions".
And my entry for most bizarre freebie is a tin of Heinz Beans. I have no
idea why.
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Chris J
Dobby Roper
Irvine) wrote:
>The other Day Sli...@thepentagon.comREMOVE-THIS-SPAMBUSTER (Slider)
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>I've just got back from the ECTS at Olympia, London so here's a nice
>>little report about the new games that were on display...
>>
>Another GIT!!!!!!!!!! who did not make the meet yet went thanks to moi!!
>
>Slider you SOD!!
>
>Arggggghh!!
I went, I went! I haven't read the group in a while so I didn't know
there *was* a meet! Still, some great games there, the ones that
impressed me most were: Messiah, Outcast, Railroad Tycoon 2, Space
Station Silicon Valley, 1080 snowboarding, Zelda, Carmageddon 2,
Silent Hill (a true Resident Evil beater if ever I played one!) and,
of course (dribble), Metal Gear Solid. Oh, and RC Stunt 'Copter,
because the guy in front of me playing it was getting the full low
down on it from Dave Perry himself! coo-el!
One thing that did strike me, apart from the, er, 'exotic' dancing on
the Acclaim stand :\, was how tired both the Playstation & N64 are now
looking compared to the latest PC titles, graphically at least.
The Konami stand was the only one that really had any PS games that
excited me. And that mock 'art gallery' nonsense that made up the
Sony stand kind of irritated me. It seemed that Sony were trying to
hide a crop of disturbingly lackluster titles with a 'trendy' West End
style, internet cafe, style-over-content, sauna (read: it very hot in
there) type getup. The whole thing was then exacerbated by the fact
that about half the Playstations didn't seem to work properly. I was
disappointed by virtually every big name game in there, TR3, Spyro,
Medievil, Crash 3. They were all really rather uninspiring. It was
the lesser known titles that seemed the ones to watch out for. So no
surprises there.
The quality of PC graphics is now truly staggering, at this rate
Dreamcast will be left standing before it's even released. The glut
of yet more virtually identical first person shooters disappointed.
Why do the designers insist on churning out the same old stuff that
has got hardly anything over Quake 2 (or even the original DOOM) than
a few more fancy lighting/water/lava effects and weapons. What I, and
I suspect others really want now is the depth of Goldeneye with the
graphical horsepower of say, Daikatana, Turok 2 or Unreal.
Anyway, what do you guys think? For me, overall, the games on show
were disappointing apart from a few gems like MGS, Silent Hill,
Messiah, Outcast, Silicon Valley and Zelda. Konami, god bless you and
Nintendo: blast you for not showing Perfect Dark from the start.
Why!??
Stratford Hamilton
<ra...@essextes.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Eidos having a lot of good games.
>
>And the bloke from Eidos who gave us those press CDs :)
>
Thanks to me I might add :)
>>There were also a lot of other games and I'll probably mention some of
>>them later :)
>
>Crash 3 was pretty good, thought the first level was a bit samey but
>went back and tried some others, the underwater bit was good and it's
>VERY slick. Plus lots more amusing ways to die - the getting chopped in
>half and watching your legs walk away was particularly funny.
>
This I thought was one of the best games of the show, once the
programmer had unlocked all the levels. The flying levels were very
nice as well as the graphics on the standard Crash levels, definitely
one to look out for.
>Silent Hill looks like being absolutely fantastic. The CGI movies are
>the best I've seen, and the game looks really atmospheric. If it's got
>plenty of play time in it, it might be the even better than MGS
>(blasphemy I know, but I was seriously impressed).
>
It did look very nice, although I also liked (oh bugger I can't
remember the name of it) Graham knows it, er Graham ?, The main
character looked like a James Bond type with a SWAT Team outfit on,
very nice to look at and a lovely sniper option for the hand pistol
(very goldeneye)
>
>And my entry for most bizarre freebie is a tin of Heinz Beans. I have no
>idea why.
I didn't get one of those :(
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Jim M
>Tomb Raider 3 - This is basically the same as the other TR games, if
>you liked them then you'll like this. The only difference I saw was
>that the graphics looked a little nicer and the cutscenes also looked
>better. The game did look much better on the PC than the PSX though.
She's got a few more moves as well. She can now crouch and crawl on all fours
(:->) and she can also hang from bars and monkey climb along the underneath of
platforms. Hi-res mode and shit loads of more graphic tweaks are present, also
the level designers have got a few more "old tomb raider" level feel of being a
bit mystical. Oh yeah I forgot the Tyrannasaurous Rex is a bit more dangerous
too. It will take an hour to kill it with pistols now.
>Dave Perry's streeeeached limo waiting outside.
Saw that. Who's Dave Perry ?
>Ozzy Osbourne on one of the stands ( ?!? :)
Bastard, did see him. Which stand was it.
Did you see Lilly Savage on the savage 3d stand ? And in the restaurant kicking
up a ruckuss.
Jim M
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Graham Goring
<Stra...@hamiltons.demon.co.uk> writes
>It did look very nice, although I also liked (oh bugger I can't
>remember the name of it) Graham knows it, er Graham ?
Syphon Filter. Which I assumed to be a homosexual act of love at
first...
>, The main
>character looked like a James Bond type with a SWAT Team outfit on,
>very nice to look at and a lovely sniper option for the hand pistol
>(very goldeneye)
>
>>
>>And my entry for most bizarre freebie is a tin of Heinz Beans. I have no
>>idea why.
>
>I didn't get one of those :(
With Paul in the car there was no need. ;)
Graham Goring
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Graham Goring
cit.demon.co.uk> writes
>Did you see Lilly Savage on the savage 3d stand ? And in the restaurant kicking
>up a ruckuss.
No, but I did see an exceptionally ugly woman *pretending* to be Lily
Savage. As Paul and Jimbo rightly pointed out at a worryingly high
volume within her earshot she was indeed a moose by every definition of
word with the obviously exception of not being a four-legged herbivore.
Paul Irvine
>No, but I did see an exceptionally ugly woman *pretending* to be Lily
>Savage. As Paul and Jimbo rightly pointed out at a worryingly high
>volume within her earshot she was indeed a moose by every definition of
>word with the obviously exception of not being a four-legged herbivore.
>
Oh did you notice that... ;)
Paul Irvine
>>It did look very nice, although I also liked (oh bugger I can't
>>remember the name of it) Graham knows it, er Graham ?
>
>Syphon Filter. Which I assumed to be a homosexual act of love at
>first...
You sick bunny!!!
>>>And my entry for most bizarre freebie is a tin of Heinz Beans. I have no
>>>idea why.
>With Paul in the car there was no need. ;)
I'm a sharing kinda guy :)
Paul Irvine
wrote:
>>And my entry for most bizarre freebie is a tin of Heinz Beans. I have no
>>idea why.
>
>I didn't get one of those :(
That's because you are an old fart anyway... :)
Happy birthday on the weekend!!
Jim M
>When the timer read Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:33:07 +0100, Chris J
><ra...@essextes.demon.co.uk> opened the wormhole back to Slider-Prime
>and said :
>
>:>Babylon 5
>:Another game that rarely seemed to be doing much, but when it started
>:moving it looked great. All the great graphics of something like Blast
>:Radius, but with more of a realistic and strategic feel. I want a PSX
>:version!
>
>What looked good was when the Star Fury was being flown around close
>to B5.
Virus 2000 (D. Brabham) was being show just down the way there too. Still no
elite though.
>:>Free stuff.
>:
>:Oh yes :)
>
>What d'you manage to get then :)
Got a "Tekken 3" bag on Monday + about 10, 1cm square PSX badges. Loads of
mags, loads of promo disks. Also some people managed to grab a couple of
"Project X" ruck sacks, proper ones. I missed my chance at those, and my excuse
was I'm an old git competing with a student and ninja freebie spotter :->
>:I hadn't played Banjo before, thought it wasn't all that hot really. The
>:new F-Zero thing was quite fun in 2P, but not worth the 50-odd quid
>:it'll cost.
>
>One thing I noticed was that half of the machines on the Nintando
>stand didn't work. The games were on but just frozen and the controls
>not working ( and no, there weren't on pause ;)
The Castlevania machine next to me was bust, but the sounds were working.
Looked like it needed a reset. Some suits came up wanting a go and tried to
have a go on the blank screen next to me. Looking all official, they hung
around me, wanting a go. No fucking chance :->
Also saw at the M$ stand. They had some hydrolic car models you could sit in
and play their racing game. All three were on, but one of the car games looked
very much like "scandisk". I'm not buying that for my pc :->
>Slider.
ta ra
Jim M
>When the timer read Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:47:57 GMT,
>}news{@brit-cit.demon.co.uk (Jim M) opened the wormhole back to
>Slider-Prime and said :
>
>:>Ozzy Osbourne on one of the stands ( ?!? :)
>:
>:Bastard, did see him. Which stand was it.
>
>One near the Konami stand ( I was in the MGS queue and he'd gone when
>I got out ) I *think* it was Ozzy as it sure as hell looked like him
>but quite what he'd be doing there.? :)
Shopping for the kids ?
>I think I did well for MGS as I only queued for about 10 - 15 mins :)
>And those two guys who were doing the moch-fighting with the sticks
>outside the Konami stand almost accidentaly hit a woman who was trying
>to walk past. After almost kissing a big stick she decided to wait
>till they'd finished :)
I was thinking of hastling the gansters that were hanging around outside, but
they were acting tuff'n'ard quite well, and you never know, they might have
hired real ones :->
Hey, was the "Lara Croft" at the show, posing for pictures, the same one that
was on the Big Breakfast this morning ?
>:Did you see Lilly Savage on the savage 3d stand ? And in the restaurant kicking
>:up a ruckuss.
>
>I saw him/her/it on the stand. My mate tried to get some free
>drinks :)
We had to drag Graham away, cos he wanted to char her up ;-> Soz G
>Did anyone see any kids there with Warez-whatever on their badges.?
No a sign.
>I think that if all games that were rip offs of Quake, Tomb Raider and
>C&C had been banned from the show then there'd have been about three
>games on display :)
Saw an Amidar rif-off with dead snazzy GFX.
Gremlins Tanktics looked interesting but I couldn't get people off it to have a
go.
TOCA 2 looks and plays sweet, especially the no. of players. 1-8 PC/LAN. 1-4
PSX (splitscreen + linkup. MMMmmm).
There were loads of games I couldn't/didn't get a go on. Also I fealt I got
dazzled by too many games and it got very hard to distinguish the good and bad
after a bit. You definitly need a chill-out-room where you can't hear the beeps
and explosions going off.
See ya
Chris J
<Sli...@thepentagon.comREMOVE-THIS-SPAMBUSTER> writes
>Me and my mate were the last two people to get into it :)
Jammy!
>Yeah. I wouldn't be suprised if they put out a not-quite finished
>version to try and make the Christmas market but I don't think that
>the game was all that good. I thought Zelda on the SNES was one of
>the best games on that machine but with Z64 all what made the previous
>game good seems to have been gone in favor of a Mario clone.
I didn't like the look of it either. Still I haven't got an N64 so
Nintendo probably won't be crying their eyes out..... it'll still sell
loads.
>I thought the Last Ninja games were great :)
If you wanted to wreck your joystick :)
>What d'you manage to get then :)
18 CDs, 2 proper bags, foreign mags, latest OPSM, tons of promo
booklets, a prostitute's card :) and a Medievil PSX sticker kit. And
some beans.
>:And the bloke from Eidos who gave us those press CDs :)
>Oh, which games.? :)
Oh, crap, can't remember much.... the games weren't on there, but there
were lots of screenshots and concept art, that sort of stuff. It had TR3
and that Gangsters thing on, among about 15 games.
At least most of the CDs had the images and movies easily accessible -
unlike the crappy Psygnosis one which wouldn't let you into the
directories through File Manager or something, and wouldn't install
itself properly on the laptop. Pah. At least the Gremlin one was
properly done.
--
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Graham Goring
cit.demon.co.uk> writes
>>:Did you see Lilly Savage on the savage 3d stand ? And in the restaurant
>kicking
>>:up a ruckuss.
>>
>>I saw him/her/it on the stand. My mate tried to get some free
>>drinks :)
>
>We had to drag Graham away, cos he wanted to char her up ;-> Soz G
Oh har har har! Just because you mistook her wig for a sheep and got all
randy... ;)
(cue joke about *my* hair from Paul/Stratters)
Paul Irvine
>>>:Did you see Lilly Savage on the savage 3d stand
>>We had to drag Graham away, cos he wanted to char her up ;-> Soz G
>
Ah but did you notice that Chris Jones and Lilly were never in the same
place at the same time..Hmmmm :)
>(cue joke about *my* hair from Paul/Stratters)
>
Yeah sorry Joe 90 :)
Chris J
<mcl...@dellos.demon.co.uk> writes
>Ah but did you notice that Chris Jones and Lilly were never in the same
>place at the same time..Hmmmm :)
Whereas you and "her" were frequently in close proximity :)
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Paul Irvine
Damn sexy woman if you ask Graham after 10 Vodka's...
Graham Goring
<mcl...@dellos.demon.co.uk> writes
>The other Day Chris J <ra...@essextes.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <35fc10df...@news.demon.co.uk>, Paul Irvine
>><mcl...@dellos.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>Ah but did you notice that Chris Jones and Lilly were never in the same
>>>place at the same time..Hmmmm :)
>>
>>Whereas you and "her" were frequently in close proximity :)
>
>Damn sexy woman if you ask Graham after 10 Vodka's...
Oh ho ho! Fortunatley, my moose detection skills remain at 100%
regardless of my alcoholic intake...
Jim M
>>Damn sexy woman if you ask Graham after 10 Vodka's...
>
>Oh ho ho! Fortunatley, my moose detection skills remain at 100%
>regardless of my alcoholic intake...
>
>Graham Goring
Moose detection remains at 100% tanked-up, its the Moose tolerance factor that
drops :->
Paul Hickford
>Yeah sorry Joe 90 :)
>
>--
>Paul..
sixties puppet?
-=Paul=-
Paul Irvine
>>Damn sexy woman if you ask Graham after 10 Vodka's...
>
>Oh ho ho! Fortunatley, my moose detection skills remain at 100%
>regardless of my alcoholic intake...
Jimbo, seems we have them hooked on the 'moose' saying..
Paul Irvine
>Moose detection remains at 100% tanked-up, its the Moose tolerance factor that
>drops :->
LOL.
Michael Bungey
<mcl...@dellos.demon.co.uk> writes
>Another GIT!!!!!!!!!! who did not make the meet yet went thanks to moi!!
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Paul Irvine
Wrong...Graham however....;)
Graham Goring
<mcl...@dellos.demon.co.uk> writes
>The other Day Graham Goring <gra...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>>Damn sexy woman if you ask Graham after 10 Vodka's...
>>
>>Oh ho ho! Fortunatley, my moose detection skills remain at 100%
>>regardless of my alcoholic intake...
>
>Jimbo, seems we have them hooked on the 'moose' saying..
Not true at all. So anyone do any blagging or tubbing recently?
DOH!
Paul Irvine
wrote:
>Did anyone manage to crash any pc's.? My kill-count was one :)
>It was a C&C clone but there must have been a bug in it as when you
>held the mouse button down and moved it the machine froze.?! :)
We froze the odd game on the PSX but doing a PC is too easy, what's
needed is that they be introduced to the very technical 'format c:'
command..
Just find a PC running a really dire TR clone and let rip..
I used to do this at the PCW shows (yes that long ago!), not anymore.
Abusing some of the bloated ego programmers is much more fun :)
Michael Bungey
<gra...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> writes
>(cue joke about *my* hair from Paul/Stratters)
--
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Graham Goring
<mcl...@dellos.demon.co.uk> writes
>The other Day "Paul Hickford" <pa...@johnhick.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>>Yeah sorry Joe 90 :)
>>>
>>>--
>>>Paul..
>>Would I be correct in guessing that you bear a slight resemblance to a
>>sixties puppet?
>
>Wrong...Graham however....;)
I may have his IQ, however I'll leave the plasticcy looks to Michael
Jackson, thankyouverymuchly.
Graham Goring
<Sp...@saintmatt.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <anvfHGAJ...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>, Graham Goring
><gra...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> writes
>>(cue joke about *my* hair from Paul/Stratters)
>tOO BLOODY RIGHT. yOUR HAIR WAS THE ONE LOOKING LIKE A SHEEP ;)
Wuh? Buh? How? Erk...
Paul Irvine
>>Jimbo, seems we have them hooked on the 'moose' saying..
>
>Not true at all. So anyone do any blagging or tubbing recently?
Tubbing is from Stratford but the blagging???
Or do you mean barfing re what you did after 10 vodka's ;)
Graham Goring
<mcl...@dellos.demon.co.uk> writes
>The other Day Graham Goring <gra...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>Jimbo, seems we have them hooked on the 'moose' saying..
>>
>>Not true at all. So anyone do any blagging or tubbing recently?
>
>Tubbing is from Stratford but the blagging???
>
>Or do you mean barfing re what you did after 10 vodka's ;)
No, BLAGGING. As in pulling or stealing. From Stratters and Mike too. :)
Paul Irvine
>In article <anvfHGAJ...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>, Graham Goring
><gra...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> writes
>>(cue joke about *my* hair from Paul/Stratters)
>tOO BLOODY RIGHT. yOUR HAIR WAS THE ONE LOOKING LIKE A SHEEP ;)
See, positive proof!! ;)
Paul Irvine
>>>Would I be correct in guessing that you bear a slight resemblance to a
>>>sixties puppet?
>>
>>Wrong...Graham however....;)
>
>I may have his IQ, however I'll leave the plasticcy looks to Michael
>Jackson, thankyouverymuchly.
I don't know.....you looked very plasticcy that morning..;)
Jim M
>Did anyone manage to crash any pc's.? My kill-count was one :)
>It was a C&C clone but there must have been a bug in it as when you
>held the mouse button down and moved it the machine froze.?! :)
>
I think I saw the aftermath of many a frozen PC, cos there were a lot of people
installing Windoze 98 as I walked round. Seems that was the only solution for
the very technical bods on the stands.
Ta ra
Jim M
>The other Day Michael Bungey <Sp...@saintmatt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <anvfHGAJ...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>, Graham Goring
>><gra...@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>(cue joke about *my* hair from Paul/Stratters)
>
>>tOO BLOODY RIGHT. yOUR HAIR WAS THE ONE LOOKING LIKE A SHEEP ;)
>
>See, positive proof!! ;)
That picture !! Took a look at it the other day. I look a bit fuzzy, with
light for eyes. I felt a bit weird that morning, but I didn't realise I looked
it :->