BAN THIS SICK FILTH! AGAIN!
The Rev
Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban these
games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal killing...
understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy... media abusing its
position by indulging claims... 18 certificate... etc.
Tony Gowland
We absolutely must ban this game that's been on shelves for around 9 months
and that anyone with a passing interest would have already bought anyway.
--
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Mulletino
> The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm
>>
>>Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban these
>>games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal killing...
>>understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy... media abusing
>>its position by indulging claims... 18 certificate... etc.
>
>
> We absolutely must ban this game that's been on shelves for around 9 months
> and that anyone with a passing interest would have already bought anyway.
>
I bet they stepped over a pile of horror DVDs to find it too!
Then again, now they have video games they don't need to ban films/TV
for this sort of thing.
Crap sensationalist journalism all over again, still it will probably
mean a few extra sales for Rockstar!
--
Mulletino
Gunther Gloop
Germany has one of the strictest set of rules on what can & cannot go into
videogames. It still doesn't stop calls for their abolition following grisly
murders... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1959632.stm
If somebody kills people with bullets and guns *OBVIOUSLY* video games
should be banned.
Everyone should play hopskotch during daylight hours and Ludo at night. Then
*OBVIOUSLY* we'd have no nut-jobs amongst us and we can all leave our guns
and bullets lying anywhere we like without fear.
-Kevin.
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Sir Chewbury Gubbins
"The game in question is classified 18 by the British Board of Film
Classification and therefore should not be in the possession of a
juvenile.
"Simply being in someone's possession does not and should not lead to
the conclusion that a game is responsible for these tragic events."
Well exactly - if the kid's parents actually *gave a fuck*, maybe it'd
have all turned out differantly.
Choobs
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James Sutherland
news:Xns9535492E7CBC8t...@130.133.1.4:
When I went into a local game shop today, they were busy checking their
shelves for copies of Manhunt that didn't have 18 certificates on them and
swapping them for ones that did. Apparently some copies were European,
rather than UK, versions and don't have the BBFC rating on them.
Nathan
> should ban these
> games... sick...
It's true, my dad said:
"I don't play these games but if they are influencing kids to go out and
roll around in the garden with their bodies covered in double sided tape,
then you don't want them on the shelves"
--
Nathan.
Bow to the Cow!
The Rev
> The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9535492E7CBC8t...@130.133.1.4:
>
>> Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil...
>
> When I went into a local game shop today, they were busy checking
> their shelves for copies of Manhunt that didn't have 18 certificates
> on them and swapping them for ones that did.
And is it just me, or has it suddenly disappeared from Game's web site?
Nathan
> And is it just me, or has it suddenly disappeared from Game's web site?
Wouldn't surprise me if they did see the article. My guess is they'll
probably relist it in a bit, it wasn't that they wanted to BAN IT just
their support line can't be arsed to field ridiculous questions about this
SICK FILTH.
Fry
Did anybody spot the front page of The Daily Sensationalist Drivel
(Mail) this morning?
"MURDER BY PLAYSTATION"
I fucking hate that "newspaper"
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1230071.jpg
The Rev
And now Dixons have taken it off the shelves.
Hurrah for The Daily Mail!
Beck
"The Rev" <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9535492E7CBC8t...@130.133.1.4...
Well I think the game should have been banned anyway, nothing to do with it
getting into the hands of youngsters. It was a disgusting extreme far right
game which should never have been developed.
Fry
> (Mail) this morning?
>
> "MURDER BY PLAYSTATION"
>
> I fucking hate that "newspaper"
> http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1230071.jpg
Hee hee, just tried to log in to dailymail.co.uk and FireFox got stuck
at something called "bs.serving", how apt :)
Fry
> getting into the hands of youngsters. It was a disgusting extreme far right
> game which should never have been developed.
Swap 'game' for 'tabloid' and you've described The Daily Mail.
The Rev
> It was a disgusting extreme far right
> game which should never have been developed.
Far right? How so?
Tim Miller
>
> Well I think the game should have been banned anyway, nothing to do
> with it getting into the hands of youngsters. It was a disgusting
> extreme far right game which should never have been developed.
How exactly is it "far right"?
Tim (tm)
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Tony Gowland
> with it getting into the hands of youngsters. It was a disgusting
> extreme far right game which should never have been developed.
Ahahahahahahaha. Ha.
Delameko Stone
The questions I'd like answered are:
1. How do they define obsession? If its the latest game he bought he's
going to be playing it alot, does that really count as obsessive?
2. Were these guys friends? No matter what games/movies/etc a person is
inspired by they have to have the twisted nature to be able to do these
things. If these guys were enemies or somesuch, then there's a clear motive
outside of his 'game obsession', and he probably would have killed the guy
anyway...
3. Don't you kill people in Manhunt with everything from bare hands to guns?
"The way Warren committed the murder is how the game is set out - killing
people using weapons like hammers and knives. There is some connection
between the game and what he has done."
Sounds like if he'd killed anybody in anyway they would have linked it to
Manhunt...
4. Is he not sick for buying crap like Manhunt in the first place?
--
Delameko Stone
The Rev
> It's true, my dad said:
>
> "I don't play these games but if they are influencing kids to go out
> and roll around in the garden with their bodies covered in double
> sided tape, then you don't want them on the shelves"
I just want the local kids to stop jumping on my fucking mushrooms.
David Beamish
I HAVE TEH KILL0rED 10 MILLION PEOPLES. I BLAME THE WAR ON TERROR AS I
EMULATED THE SHOOTERS
The Rev
> 4. Is he not sick for buying crap like Manhunt in the first place?
I thought the party line was now that Manhunt was a underrated game and
that you should stick with it past the uninspiring opening?
I wish people would remember to send me the memos about these things.
The Rev
> I HAVE TEH KILL0rED 10 MILLION PEOPLES. I BLAME THE WAR ON TERROR AS I
> EMULATED THE SHOOTERS
You would not believe the amount of trouble I got into with the local
planning authority after playing too much SimCity.
Nathan
>> "I don't play these games but if they are influencing kids to go out
>> and roll around in the garden with their bodies covered in double
>> sided tape, then you don't want them on the shelves"
>
> I just want the local kids to stop jumping on my fucking mushrooms.
Did you hear about that pensioner whose little nissan micra got written off
after some chav threw a penguin at it while she was on her way to tescos?
Kids are out of control.
Nathan
> Hee hee, just tried to log in to dailymail.co.uk and FireFox got stuck
> at something called "bs.serving", how apt :)
hahah that's great.
Nathan
> How exactly is it "far right"?
GOODOMETER:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
|------------------| O <--Manhunt here --|
Scoring guide:
1 = Almost as good as Katamari Damashii
10 = About the same as Big Rigs
That's just a guess anyway. I haven't played it, what was it supposed to
be like in terms of gameplay, any good or "let's hope the shock value will
make it sell"?
ammo...@cc.full.stop.helsinki.fi
> When I went into a local game shop today, they were busy checking
> their shelves for copies of Manhunt that didn't have 18 certificates
> on them and swapping them for ones that did. Apparently some copies
> were European, rather than UK, versions and don't have the BBFC rating
> on them.
There should still be the 18+ PEGI label, but I suppose that wouldn't
help in court.
-a
The Rev
> I haven't played it, what was it supposed to
> be like in terms of gameplay, any good or "let's hope the shock value
> will make it sell"?
Got generally good reviews, then people said it was rubbish, but now some
people are saying that it's actually rather good once you get past the
first few levels.
So, mixed, basically.
Nathan
> Got generally good reviews, then people said it was rubbish, but now
> some people are saying that it's actually rather good once you get
> past the first few levels.
>
> So, mixed, basically.
>
Well no doubt it'll sell many more copies despite being "BANNED AND SICK"
as a result.
The Rev
> Did you hear about that pensioner whose little nissan micra got
> written off after some chav threw a penguin at it while she was on her
> way to tescos?
>
> Kids are out of control.
FACT: More young people are killed by traffic accidents than anything else.
Car races inspire young people to drive faster and take more risks on the
roads.
I therefore propose that we ban all coverage of racing, whether it be on
radio, television, DVD, film or in magazines and newspapers.
Together we can stamp out this menace to our children!
John Parkinson
> Together we can stamp out this menace to our children!
I think we should band together and stamp out children so we can enjoy
our menaces in peace and quiet.
--
John Parkinson
The Rev
Now there's a good idea!
Beck
Extreme racism. I didn't like the constant comments in the game of nigger,
darkies, black bastards and so on. It was not necessary and if that game had
been a film it would most likely have been banned.
Chris Whitworth
YOU STOLE MY JOKE
Chris
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mark
"Nathan" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95359012...@130.133.1.4...
<pedant> technically its playstation 2 Or Xbox........</pedant>
oh and the game was imo awful
The Rev
> 100% The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com>!
>
>> You would not believe the amount of trouble I got into with the local
>> planning authority after playing too much SimCity.
>
> YOU STOLE MY JOKE
I only borrowed it. You can have it back now, I've finished with it.
The Rev
> "The Rev" <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns953588997BC70t...@130.133.1.4...
>> Watching over us from Center Neptune, 7-"Beck"-7 wrote...
>>
>> > It was a disgusting extreme far right
>> > game which should never have been developed.
>>
>> Far right? How so?
>
> Extreme racism. I didn't like the constant comments in the game of
> nigger, darkies, black bastards and so on. It was not necessary and
> if that game had been a film it would most likely have been banned.
Who makes the comments? Your character or the bad guys you have to kill?
Fillyourboots
> The Rev wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm
>>
>> Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban
>> these games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal
>> killing... understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy...
>> media abusing its position by indulging claims... 18 certificate...
>> etc.
>
> into videogames. It still doesn't stop calls for their abolition
> following grisly murders...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1959632.stm
>
> If somebody kills people with bullets and guns *OBVIOUSLY* video games
> should be banned.
>
> Everyone should play hopskotch during daylight hours and Ludo at
> night. Then *OBVIOUSLY* we'd have no nut-jobs amongst us and we can
> all leave our guns and bullets lying anywhere we like without fear.
>
God no, imagine what will happen - the l33t Hopscotch newsgroups will be
plagued by Ludo fanboys proclaiming "TeH LuDo iz TEh RoXxoR"
++
Fillyourboots
Tim Miller
>
> FACT: More young people are killed by traffic accidents than anything
> else.
>
Then I realised that you said "young people".
So, er, yeah.
Tim Miller
BBFC-rated, and a UK shop is selling non-rated copies, then that shop is
breaking the law.
Tim Miller
>
> That's just a guess anyway. I haven't played it, what was it
> supposed to be like in terms of gameplay, any good or "let's hope the
> shock value will make it sell"?
It's reasonable. Above average.
GusTav
news:ceb0df$nbc$1...@hercules.btinternet.com:
> Extreme racism. I didn't like the constant comments in the game
> of nigger, darkies, black bastards and so on. It was not
> necessary and if that game had been a film it would most likely
> have been banned.
Except for the fact that it got a BBFC 18 Cert. which means that is
was rated 'as would a film' and wasn't banned ...
I heard an interview with someone from the BBFC today about it and
she pointed out the context and 'cartoon' style of the violence and
therefore why it was rated the way it was.
GusTav.
--
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Sir Chewbury Gubbins
> The Rev's here and we're in effect, want you to push it back...
>
> > And is it just me, or has it suddenly disappeared from Game's web site?
>
> Wouldn't surprise me if they did see the article. My guess is they'll
> probably relist it in a bit, it wasn't that they wanted to BAN IT just
> their support line can't be arsed to field ridiculous questions about this
> SICK FILTH.
Nah, it'll be sold out to shitloads of pikey's looking to make a
"L@@K!!11! R@R3!!!11!! BN4NED!!11!!" killing on ebay :)
Choobs
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Sir Chewbury Gubbins
> "The Rev" <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9535492E7CBC8t...@130.133.1.4...
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm
> >
> > Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban these
> > games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal killing...
> > understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy... media abusing its
> > position by indulging claims... 18 certificate... etc.
>
> Well I think the game should have been banned anyway, nothing to do with it
> getting into the hands of youngsters. It was a disgusting extreme far right
> game which should never have been developed.
I agree, but at the same time, those poor sods at RockStar need to earn
a living and without the potential to actually design a decent game,
they *have* to rely on this kind of notoriety.
GusTav
news:2ms84tF...@uni-berlin.de:
> Did anybody spot the front page of The Daily Sensationalist Drivel
> (Mail) this morning?
>
> "MURDER BY PLAYSTATION"
If you were going to murder someone by console the Xbox would be much
better, as it is heavier, or even the Gamecube as it has a useful
handle for swinging it towards your victim.
Beck
"GusTav" <gustav@cl*spam*sf.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9535A210BEEBB...@217.32.252.50...
Its not the violence that bothers me I have seen worse in a game. Its the
storyline and language which I have a problem with. Race relations in this
country are smeared as it is and we do not need games or films aggravating it.
Sir Chewbury Gubbins
The most alarming feature of the whole affair is nothing to do with the
game. It's that Britain, as a nation, and Dixons, as an organisation,
seems to depend on the likes of the Daily Fecking Mail for moral
guidance.
Is it just me or is there something REALLY WRONG with this picture?
The Rev
> The most alarming feature of the whole affair is nothing to do with the
> game. It's that Britain, as a nation, and Dixons, as an organisation,
> seems to depend on the likes of the Daily Fecking Mail for moral
> guidance.
>
> Is it just me or is there something REALLY WRONG with this picture?
I'm considering writing to Dixons to say that I'll be boycotting them for
giving in to idiotic tabloid hysteria.
Lister
uk.games.video.misc . N...@yahoo.com (SjT) chose this moment to say
the following
>There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from John
>Parkinson <jp--usenet-...@destiny.org.uk>:
>
>>> Together we can stamp out this menace to our children!
>>
>>I think we should band together and stamp out children so we can enjoy
>>our menaces in peace and quiet.
>
>That would mean protective sex!! No way!
Protective sex sounds like having sex to ward against something
--
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Worn out places, worn out faces
Bright and early for the daily races
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Beck
It doesn't matter who makes them, they are there. If I called somebody a nigger
in the street I could be quite rightly charged under the public order act or be
beaten up. Its difficult enough with racism in the real world without it being
portrayed in a game.
This is the first time ever I have wished for a game to be banned. I do not
like what it is about and think Rockstar should think very carefully about
producing a sequel.
Nathan
> If I called somebody a nigger...
It's true the word can still be used offensively but I would hazard a guess
that the majority of times that the word gets used it's a) not meant in an
offensive way and b) actually used by a black person.
Beck
"Sir Chewbury Gubbins" <chewbury...@nelefa.org> wrote in message
news:1ghozzb.19u32c51y3695uN%chewbury...@nelefa.org...
> Beck <my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> > "The Rev" <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9535492E7CBC8t...@130.133.1.4...
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm
> > >
> > > Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban these
> > > games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal killing...
> > > understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy... media abusing its
> > > position by indulging claims... 18 certificate... etc.
> >
> > Well I think the game should have been banned anyway, nothing to do with it
> > getting into the hands of youngsters. It was a disgusting extreme far right
> > game which should never have been developed.
>
> I agree, but at the same time, those poor sods at RockStar need to earn
> a living and without the potential to actually design a decent game,
> they *have* to rely on this kind of notoriety.
But they do not need to make games like that to rely on good sales. Most of
their games - GTA series, Max Payne, Red Dead Revolver, to name a few are
excellent games that never needed the notoriety to sell, they simply sell well
because they are good.
Sir Chewbury Gubbins
spammy
would either case apply to the situation beck offered? and in which context
is it used in the game?
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Nathan
> would either case apply to the situation beck offered? and in which
> context is it used in the game?
That's what I wondered...I'd be very surprised if the game really was as
racist as she makes out. I mean, if it glorifies racism in any way. If it
did then I'm sure that would have been splattered across tabloids by now.
Even if it was used in a racist way in the game, my point was simply that
it's not quite such an offensive word as it used to, and also sticks and
stones etc. By *being offended* by a word perpetuates its offensiveness,
or something. If you didn't care so much, then you take away the word as a
weapon of the racists, if you get me.
ammo...@cc.full.stop.helsinki.fi
> spammy's here and we're in effect, want you to push it back...
>> would either case apply to the situation beck offered? and in which
>> context is it used in the game?
> That's what I wondered...I'd be very surprised if the game really was
> as racist as she makes out. I mean, if it glorifies racism in any
> way. If it did then I'm sure that would have been splattered across
> tabloids by now.
IIRC one of the gangs you fight are white supremacists. I haven't played
that far yet, but this discussion has inspired me to pick up the game
again :-)
-a
spammy
all that is true and valid, but i still think its possible to use some words
in a way that will always cause offence. again, it all depends on the
context i spose. care to clarify, beck?
--
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chris@ukaskew
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm
>>
>> Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban
>> these games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal
>> killing... understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy...
>> media abusing its position by indulging claims... 18 certificate...
>> etc.
>
> (Mail) this morning?
>
> "MURDER BY PLAYSTATION"
>
> http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1230071.jpg
Newspaper covers like that make me sick. Its journalism of the laziest and
stupidest kind. I was reading See No Evil again recently and I guess one
thing the DM has going for it is consistency, they have been publishing shit
like that for decades.
Chris.
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Chris Whitworth
> Watching over us from Center Neptune, 7-"Chris Whitworth"-7 wrote...
>
>> 100% The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com>!
>>
>>> You would not believe the amount of trouble I got into with the local
>>> planning authority after playing too much SimCity.
>>
>> YOU STOLE MY JOKE
>
> I only borrowed it. You can have it back now, I've finished with it.
I don't want it now. You've spoilt it. I want a new one.
Chris
--
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http://home.parm.net | AC Town: Markham
Gunther Gloop
> 100% The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com>!
>
>> Watching over us from Center Neptune, 7-"Chris Whitworth"-7 wrote...
>>
>>> 100% The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com>!
>>>
>>>> You would not believe the amount of trouble I got into with the
>>>> local planning authority after playing too much SimCity.
>>>
>>> YOU STOLE MY JOKE
>>
>> I only borrowed it. You can have it back now, I've finished with it.
>
> I don't want it now. You've spoilt it. I want a new one.
>
Take my wife.
Please.
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The Rev
> 100% The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com>!
>
>> Watching over us from Center Neptune, 7-"Chris Whitworth"-7 wrote...
>>
>>> 100% The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com>!
>>>
>>>> You would not believe the amount of trouble I got into with the local
>>>> planning authority after playing too much SimCity.
>>>
>>> YOU STOLE MY JOKE
>>
>> I only borrowed it. You can have it back now, I've finished with it.
>
> I don't want it now. You've spoilt it. I want a new one.
I've deflated it, washed it and put it back in the box. It's fine man, good
as new.
The Rev
> IIRC one of the gangs you fight are white supremacists. I haven't played
> that far yet, but this discussion has inspired me to pick up the game
> again :-)
That would make sense, if the game's based on US convicts (as I think it
is). The Aryan Nation are very big in American prisons, I believe.
Beck
Well I cannot remember exact phrases from the game but I recall a phrase similar
to "fucking niggers are the scourge of the earth" and lines similar to. The
game is extremely racist and I do not like that sort of behaviour, whether it is
in a game or in real life. The gangs in the game also have a symbol which is
similar to the Nazi symbol. Whether that is intentional or not, I do not know.
You really have to play it to understand the conotations in the game.
Nils Tanner
<m...@privacy.net> got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>>>>> You would not believe the amount of trouble I got into with the
>>>>> local planning authority after playing too much SimCity.
>>>>
>>>> YOU STOLE MY JOKE
>>>
>>> I only borrowed it. You can have it back now, I've finished with it.
>>
>> I don't want it now. You've spoilt it. I want a new one.
>>
>
>Take my wife.
>
>Please.
Jimmy Carter?
Beck
"spammy" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:2msnetF...@uni-berlin.de...
Its really the whole mood of the game. I am finding it difficult to convey into
a description. As Ammonton has stated, you have the white supremists, they have
a similar symbol to the Nazi symbol. Their words in the game are very anti
ethnic. Its not just black bastard or nigger which I stated above, its the
whole feel of anti ethnic minorities. Phrases like "you fucking niggers are the
scourge of the earth", etc.
I know the point of the game is for the guy to beat these white supremists, but
the content is very unpalatable whilst playing. I quit halfway through the game
as it just got too much.
As I said to Nathan, you really have to play the game to understand my stance on
this. Its not just a few offensive words, its the whole ambience of the game
which is disturbing.
Delameko Stone
> Watching over us from Center Neptune, 7-"Delameko Stone"-7 wrote...
>
> > 4. Is he not sick for buying crap like Manhunt in the first place?
>
> I thought the party line was now that Manhunt was a underrated game and
> that you should stick with it past the uninspiring opening?
>
> I wish people would remember to send me the memos about these things.
Hmm, i never got past the first few levels as I was bored off my tits...
But now with all this 'sensationalism' around the game, I don't think I can
be bothered to go back and get past them...
--
Delameko Stone
[ste parker]
>
> But they do not need to make games like that to rely on good sales. Most of
> their games - GTA series, Max Payne, Red Dead Revolver, to name a few are
> excellent games that never needed the notoriety to sell, they simply sell well
> because they are good.
>
>
GTA never relied on notoriety to sell? Hmm. I remember when the first
one came out there was a load of stuff in the mags about it being
effectively a robbery and murder sim, and it's only got more graphic since.
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[ste]
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Skid dug up a good Reg link just about GTA as it happens.....
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/09/11/grand_theft_auto/
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The Rev
wrote...
> The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering writing to Dixons to say that I'll be boycotting them
>> for giving in to idiotic tabloid hysteria.
>
> That's not a bad idea - I think I'll do the same myself.
Sent to Dixons and Game -
Hi,
I would like to let you know how disappointed I am by your decision to
pull Manhunt from the shelves. Not because I have any love for that
particular game, but because I believe that the video game industry can
only be harmed by knee-jerk reactions to unfounded accusations and
hysterical tabloid journalism. By stopping the sale of the game you lend
respectability to the stories published today in the press, whatever your
intentions.
As such, I will not be buying any products from your stores or web site
until you place the game back on shelves.
Regards,
T3H R3V
So now I'm boycotting Gameplay, Game and Dixons. Won't have anywhere to
buy games before long. If Gamestation decide to ban it then I'm fucked.
Nathan
> The
> game is extremely racist...
But it sounds to me, from what you've said, like the game *features*
extreme racism, but isn't extremely racist. Similar phrases appear in a
film such as, say, Mississippi Burning but the film isn't racist at all...
...but that said, if the game left a bad taste that's fine but I don't
think this is really a reason to ban it.
Gunther Gloop
<snip>
> So now I'm boycotting Gameplay, Game and Dixons. Won't have anywhere
> to buy games before long. If Gamestation decide to ban it then I'm
> fucked.
I could think of at least 10 places I'd buy game stuff from before I'd even
_look_ at any of those places.
-Kevin.
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The Rev
> The Rev wrote:
><snip>
>> So now I'm boycotting Gameplay, Game and Dixons. Won't have anywhere
>> to buy games before long. If Gamestation decide to ban it then I'm
>> fucked.
>
> I could think of at least 10 places I'd buy game stuff from before I'd
> even _look_ at any of those places.
I must admit I hardly ever use Dixons, anyway. I do buy stuff in Game quite
often, though.
GusTav
news:cebcmm$cqe$1...@sparta.btinternet.com:
> Well I cannot remember exact phrases from the game but I recall a
> phrase similar to "fucking niggers are the scourge of the earth"
> and lines similar to. The game is extremely racist and I do not
> like that sort of behaviour, whether it is in a game or in real
> life. The gangs in the game also have a symbol which is similar
> to the Nazi symbol. Whether that is intentional or not, I do not
> know. You really have to play it to understand the conotations in
> the game.
I don't see how any of that makes the 'game' racist, it means that
it portrays racist characters. If you find the existance of such
characters distasteful, all well and good. I imagine that was the
point of using that imagery, as it is an obvious cue in western
societies.
The mere use of that imagery does not make the game racist, per se,
nor does it make a film like 'American History X' a racist film.
On the other hand, the way in which that imagery is *used* could
make a game or film 'racist'.
GusTav.
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Summum ius, summa iniuria
Chris Whitworth
> Take my wife.
>
> Please.
She's not the one who wanted Zelda music at the wedding, is she?
Chris
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ch...@flat3.org | http://home.parm.net - not a blog
"back when I was young, we had to travel back in time to put the tape
in so the game would load before we died."
OJLim
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm
>
> Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban these
> games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal killing...
> understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy... media abusing its
> position by indulging claims... 18 certificate... etc.
I still don't understand how why people think any normal person (as opposed
to the few misguided people) will play a video game and then promptly go
out and kill someone.
In my teens, I never felt like, say, chopping someone's head off after
playing Mortal Kombat, or finding a shotgun to shoot someone I knew at
school after playing Doom 2.
Heck, today my flatmate and I were playing Fight Night. We made boxers in
our own image and proceeded to pummel the shit out of each other (in the
game). Then we turned off the game, and no, I didn't smack my flatmate
silly. No... instead we watched Eastenders. And after that I still didn't
smack the shit out of him.
10 hours later, and he's been dead for an hour. Naturally.
-OJ
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Did you really sign it "T3H R3V"?! And where did you send to if you
don't mind me asking, I'm tempted to do similar.
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The Rev
> Did you really sign it "T3H R3V"?! And where did you send to if you
> don't mind me asking, I'm tempted to do similar.
No, I signed with my real name.
And I sent to the customer services addresses on their web sites. I've not
got them to hand here, though.
(No replies yet, but it is barely 9am.)
I see the Mail has widened its net today, too.
UNREAL TOURNAMENT KILLS BABIES!
Tony Gowland
> gangs in the game also have a symbol which is similar to the Nazi
> symbol.
Uh oh guys, the Indiana Jones movies have Nazi symbols in them, and KIDS can
see them ON A SUNDAY EVENING! What has the world come to, I wonder?
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>
> Its really the whole mood of the game.
hmm. but media thats trying to portray a particular message sometimes needs
to, well, highlight it. ive not played manhunt, and id be suprised if the
makers of GTA were able to do this in a classy and effective way (and id
even go further and assume the intention wasnt to educate either), but
nathan's point still stands generally.
perhaps its just that gaming, as yet, isnt mature enough to contain this
stuff, even for the more valid reasons? can anyone here think of a game that
portrayed a message as well as mississippi burning or american history x? im
not sure i can.
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The Rev
>> Regards,
>>
>> T3H R3V
>
> You didn't actually sign it like that did you?
The letter I actually sent was -
Dear Sir/Madam,
J00 FAG0TS!!!!!111 I HA3V TEH MANUHUNT BACKUP!! J00 CANT STPO ME PLAY TEH
GAME!! LAM0RS LIEK J00 R JUST STUPID COS I NEVAR KILL3D NE1 EXCEPT MI
S1STARS HAMSTAR AND N0 PPL EVAR! TEHY SAI I BEAT UP KEVIN ADN B0RKED HIS
SPL33N BTU I NEVAR DID THEYRE LIEING!!!!!1111
FCUK J00! I NEVAR BY FROM YUOR STUPID SHOPS AGAIN!NN!!!
Yours Faithfully,
Rt Hon. Jonathan William Pembury MP
[ste parker]
> No, I signed with my real name.
>
> And I sent to the customer services addresses on their web sites. I've not
> got them to hand here, though.
>
> (No replies yet, but it is barely 9am.)
>
> I see the Mail has widened its net today, too.
>
> UNREAL TOURNAMENT KILLS BABIES!
You are kidding with that headline, right?
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The Rev
> The Rev wrote:
>>
>> UNREAL TOURNAMENT KILLS BABIES!
>
> You are kidding with that headline, right?
Well, it actually says BAN THESE EVIL GAMES with pictures of box covers of
a lot of games - Hitman, Unreal Tournament, GTA, Doom III, etc.
Gunther Gloop
Mr. Driller portrayed its message better than either of those two movies.
The Rev
> Sent to Dixons and Game
Reply from Dixons -
Thank you for your recent e-mail.
In light of the tragic events reported in the media, we have taken the
decision to withdraw the Manhunt game from sale at Dixons, Currys and PC
World. We believe that immediate withdrawal of the game is the
appropriate step in the circumstances. We are doing so in consultation
with the manufacturer.
This has been actioned as a matter of sensitivity towards the family
involved and in response to customer feedback. It is not a moral
judgement on the game or its content.
The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has classified the game
for sale to persons 18 and over, I can assure you that staff are trained
and are aware of the procedures to follow when selling these items. The
Issue of censorship is a matter for the BBFC.
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Dixons staff? Trained?
/me falls over
(I love a cheap shot.)
And I'm assuming sensitivity only applies to people who make the front
page of the Daily Mail... and in the case of games who sold most of the
copies they were going to sell months ago. Let's see what happens with
GTA:SA. That should be fun, unless the Mail have moved on by then. Anyone
know when the next Marilyn Manson record's coming out?
Duke Merc Atreides
"Mulletino" <Mull...@dont.bother.invalid> wrote in message
news:4108B3CB...@dont.bother.invalid...
> Tony Gowland wrote:
> > The Rev <the_rev_y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm
> >>
> >>Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban these
> >>games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal killing...
> >>understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy... media abusing
> >>its position by indulging claims... 18 certificate... etc.
> >
> >
months
> > and that anyone with a passing interest would have already bought
anyway.
> >
>
> I bet they stepped over a pile of horror DVDs to find it too!
> Then again, now they have video games they don't need to ban films/TV
> for this sort of thing.
>
> Crap sensationalist journalism all over again, still it will probably
> mean a few extra sales for Rockstar!
>
>
i was not really all that interested when it came out, but i might have a
gander now!
Beck
"Tony Gowland" <to...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:410a0188$0$2102$afc3...@news.easynet.co.uk...
> > The
> > gangs in the game also have a symbol which is similar to the Nazi
> > symbol.
>
> Uh oh guys, the Indiana Jones movies have Nazi symbols in them, and KIDS can
> see them ON A SUNDAY EVENING! What has the world come to, I wonder?
Yeah but put that into context with the other aspects of the game.
www.bidding.me.uk
>
> Killer... obsessed with Manhunt... inherently evil... should ban these
> games... sick... banned in New Zealand... encourages brutal killing...
> understandably looking for reasons for the tragedy... media abusing its
> position by indulging claims... 18 certificate... etc.
Reminds me of when thay banned childs play 1 the film
Beck
"spammy" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:2mueggF...@uni-berlin.de...
You know perhaps that is the problem here. To me, games have always been about
immersing yourself in a fake world and playing the game, and you know its not
real. But the subject matter of Manhunt is a bit too much like reality and
close to the bone.
The Rev
> Reminds me of when thay banned childs play 1 the film
Wasn't the fuss about Childs Play 3? And didn't it turn out that the
killers had never actually seen it after all?
Tony Gowland
> But the subject matter of Manhunt is a
> bit too much like reality and close to the bone.
What, a serial killer forced to murder vicious gang members through a
deserted and ruined city?
You don't happen to live in Milton Keynes do you?
Tony Gowland
>
> Wasn't the fuss about Childs Play 3? And didn't it turn out that the
> killers had never actually seen it after all?
Yes. And yes.
Beck
> Beck <my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> wrote:
> > But the subject matter of Manhunt is a
> > bit too much like reality and close to the bone.
>
> What, a serial killer forced to murder vicious gang members through a
> deserted and ruined city?
>
> You don't happen to live in Milton Keynes do you?
I have been through this before if you read my other posts, I do not have a
problem with the violence, it is the racist content which I have a problem with.
It is unnecessary to make a game.
Nick Cooper 625
Yes, all carefully cropped so that the BBFC certificates aren't
visible, although the non-BBFC 'M' for Mature iss visible on 'SoF2' &
'GTA'. Of the nine games, six are BBFC-18's, plus the 16+ (PEGI)
rated 'Unreal Tournament' and 'Hitman - Contracts', and the BBFC-15
'Mafia'.
OJLim
>>> Reminds me of when thay banned childs play 1 the film
>>
>> Wasn't the fuss about Childs Play 3? And didn't it turn out that the
>> killers had never actually seen it after all?
>
> Yes. And yes.
>
Gosh, I actually had to study that for my media course when I was in uni.
Worst subject matter ever. I mean, could it be any more obvious that a)
those two kids had been taught no morals (or anything much in particular)
rather than b) Chuckie made them kill the baby?
-OJ
Nathan
> I have been through this before if you read my other posts, I do not
> have a problem with the violence, it is the racist content which I
> have a problem with. It is unnecessary to make a game.
Thing is, I believe videogames have the potential to be as engrossing as
movies and as such there's no particular reason why they couldn't handle
the same issues that movies and books do.
Not that I'd think for a second that Manhunt had some sort of honourable
intentions but all I'm saying, is, to say "it's unnecessary", well it's my,
possibly naive, romantic view that we shouldn't believe games can only
contain trashy cheesy themes.
It's half the problem that the tabloids keep jumping on games, that they're
considered to be not art and can't have the same effect that a film / music
/ programme could. That it's just for kids and that it could only contain
shallow themes.
I'm not sure what my point is as a return on your post but. yeah anyway.
I haven't played Manhunt so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if they
don't handle it particularly well. I do get the idea that the dev studio
decided they couldn't think of a good game so decided to make it
controversial to make it a seller, but it still sounds to me that it's just
not to your liking as opposed to something that's generally offensive and
wrong.
Delameko Stone
lol
You should send that one too...
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Beck
"Nathan" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9536C8D6...@130.133.1.4...
If there are more people that enjoy the game than hate it, then yes, I would say
its not to my liking because the rest say otherwise. But I do also say it is
generally offensive and wrong. Yes it is only my opinion and I know of course
shouting about it is not going to change it. I think Rockstar were wrong to
have developed the game the way they did, but again thats only my opinion. It
certainly does make me wonder about the minds of the people making the game
though.