Scottish Open Championships
Goose
censors!!! Any comments, abuse, writs, etc., should be addressed to Graham,
not me!
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The Scottish Championships 9th May 1999
First the background, we are playing for:
1) Pride, the right to call ourselves Scottish Champion for 12 months.
2) Trophy, the Scottish National Magic Champion Juled Wurm. A two foot
high Celtic Dragon, sculpted by Scottish artist Julian Haigh and without a
shadow of doubt the most impressive magic trophy I have ever seen (you can
keep your glassware).
3) Team, a place in the Scottish National team to represent our country
at the Worlds - NOT!
The Scottish Championships are not a National qualifier for the worlds, they
are a regional qualifier (12 places) for the UK Nationals. To quote our
National Anthem, Flower of Scotland:
O Flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for
Your wee bit Hill and Glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
Those days are past now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be the nation again
That stood against him
Proud Edward's Army
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.
We are a proud nation with generations of history, not some state or country
invented in the last century or millenium for that matter, but to WOTC we
are merely a region of the UK.
Sorry does this look familiar, it should as it is the way I started my
tournament report for the 1998 Scottish Championships except:
Scotland elected its first parliament in 300 years 5 days ago.
Sylvain Lauriol last years Scottish Champion has moved back to France and
forgotten to return the Scottish National Magic Champion Juled Wurm. I won't
accept the allegations of others that he is a thieving little frog bastard.
I now know who made it their personal mission not to allow Scotland national
status in Magic and I am delighted that they are no longer European
Organised Play Manager. Bruno, I don't love you any more.
Due to a variety of reasons, not least my disappointment at WOTC's attitude
to Scotland's national status, I retired from Magic nine months ago.
Anyway, enough of a tired and dispirited ex-Magic players mutterings, onto
the tournament report:
The competitors:
65 of Scotland's best. Pro Tour players Gary "Can't Win" Campbell; Dougie
"Back Door" Anderson, Silas "Skinny Puppy" Bath, Alasdair Young (Scotland's
Original Bad Boy), Jules "I will never let you sleep on my hotel room floor
again" Haigh and Ben "Hair Golem" Sanders (if you saw him you would
understand, he is hairier than ZZ Top) are there. Local favourites like
Barry "Ferrari" Brown from Aberdeen, Clark "Greet" Swan from Dundee and
David Hughes from Glasgow are present as well.
The deck:
In the aftermath of my 40th Birthday Party, close to where Bouncing Gnome
and Tigger consummated their relationship, I discovered a silver carrier bag
and peeking inside found the deck:
20 Swamps
2 Stalking Stones
4 Dark Rituals
4 Nev's Disk
4 Necro
4 Duress
4 Bottle Gnomes
3 Drain Life
3 Corrupt
1 Terror
3 Diabolic Edict
4 Urza's Bauble
4 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Terror
3 Carrion Beetles
3 Engineered Plague
2 Perish
2 Persecute
3 Dread of Night
Wow what are all these strange new cards: Duress - cool; Corrupt - broken;
Yawgmoth's Will - you have got to be kidding.
After a little investigation I found out it was Steve "Gastro Gnome"
Easton's deck as designed / refined by Tim Howe. I asked Steve if he was
going to use it at the weekend and when he said no, decided I would make my
brief and inconspicuous return to Magic.
Friday night, I met up with Ben "Hair Golem" Sanders and we crammed in some
serious Caffrey assisted play testing. Ben decided to play Sligh and I
learned not to sideboard Necros out against Sligh.
After discussion with Tim Howe, I swapped a Terror for an Edict main deck
and added a Drain Life (61 cards, I hear you groan). Sideboard, I swapped a
Carrion Beetle for a Terror and an Engineered Plague for a Persecute.
The tournament:
Round 1 v Ian McAlpine
Black weenie, not a good match up. Game 1, he never got started and the
deck cruised. Game 2 was much tighter and I realised that I really didn't
know what I was doing but somehow the deck managed to persevere.
1-0-0
Round 2 v Luke Dicken
Black weenie, what again, give us a break. Game 1, I calculated the odds
took the gamble and realised I was out by one, I can't even count now.
Games 2 & 3 I took much more cautiously and the deck won.
2-0-0
Round 3 v David Englebright
Sligh variant, excellent I know how to handle this. Game 1, I had an
opening hand of 3 swamps, 2 dark rituals, 1 duress and a bauble. I only
drew one "real" spell, a corrupt and he burns the creature I target. Game 2
and I have to lay a disk as my only hope when he already has a heretic on
the table.
Footnote: David was on the top table for the next 2 or 3 rounds and then
disappeared, I don't know what happened to him.
2-1-0
Oh dear, I meet two relatively new players and then the first competitor
with even a modicum of experience and I crash and burn, I retire to the bar.
In the bar is Crispy with the cutest pair of Jackal puppies I have seen, she
has been DQ'd for being deck checked in possession of 5 Walls of Blossoms.
Apparently she had been given a deck and a deck list by a friend and never
checked it, but don't believe everything you hear because when asked if she
wanted a drink she said for 3 Jack Daniels she would come down to the
tournament and strip.
Oh well it was an amusing diversion and my next match was unimportant as
unless the unimaginable happened I was now out of contention.
Round 4 v Silas "Skinny Puppy" Bath
Well as they say "shit happens". Silas is playing a strange Living Death
variant and beats me down in short order Game 1. Game 2, I crawl back from
1 life with the benefit of Gnome power and after serious and prolonged Gnome
beatdown finish him off. Game 3, we have 10 minutes, Silas mulligans, I
gain control and the round times out. A good match well played.
2-1-1
Out of contention, I would have to win the next 3 matches to qualify for the
top 8.
Round 5 v Paul Grocott
Paul is playing Counter / Phoenix, I hadn't even realised it was viable in
the current environment. Game 1, I kill him with Stalking Stones. Game 2,
I kill him with the Gnomes.
3-1-1
Round 6 v Clark "Greet" Swan
Clark and I were already prequalified for the UKs and discussed IDing but I
couldn't afford to so we played. Clark was playing a Land Destruction /
Tradewind deck and Game 1, I managed to pull enough mana and overrun him.
Game 2, he got me down to one land and laid the Tradewind combo, I
resigned*. Game 3 he was mana screwed (never drew a land and eventually
resigned*) and I won.
* For the suspicious amongst you a judge watched the entire match.
4-1-1
Round 7 v Fiona Glasgow
I needed to win to get through to the last eight whilst Fiona was already
through. The cynical amongst you would suggest that Fiona awed by my smooth
good looks capitulated easily, but her boyfriend Orlando (who was also in
the running to make the last eight) would disagree with you. Her Sligh
variant lost quickly to the deck, both times to large suck spells.
5-1-1
The last sixteen are announced and there are two ranking prequalified
players (myself and Ben "Hair Golem" Sanders) in the top 8. So the top 14
and the other prequalified player Clark Swan all qualify for the UK
Nationals. David Hughes (last years finalist) misses out by one place.
The last eight (in no particular order) consisted of Fiona Glasgow, Denise
Wallace, Barry "Ferrari" Brown, Joao Carlos Andre Madiera, Ben "Hair Golem"
Sanders, Alasdair Young, some kid I didn't recognise and me.
Quarter Final v Joao Carlos Andre Madiera
Forgive me, I can't remember what he was playing apart from the fact I
applied serious Gnome beatdown both game, sorry Joao, they were close but I
can't remember the detail.
6-1-1
Semi Final v Barry "Ferrari" Brown
The last time I had seen "Ferrari" was at a party a year ago, I had been
quietly chatting to a sweet young thing and suddenly "Ferrari" is between us
applying the Italian magic. The next thing I know is that vicarious
pleasure and voyeurism are perfectly acceptable alternatives to a sex life
of your own.
Oh, he was playing Necro and drew his before me game 1, he then proceeded to
draw no suck spells and I nibbled him to death. Game 2 was nip and tuck,
Ferrari turned round to me and said "unless you have a dark ritual and a
drain life in hand I have won" - don't tempt fate.
7-1-1
Final v Denise Wallace
White weenie. Game 1, was close but I managed to win through. Game 2 was 2
Dread of Night and 1 Engineered Plague backed up by Duress which even a
successful armageddon could not stop.
8-1-1
So I am the Scottish Champion, so what:
No trophy - it is somewhere in France.
No team at the worlds - according to Bruno, Scotland is not a nation.
No interest - ain't that sad.
I would boycott the UKs if anybody would pay attention, I may still if it
gets us national recognition for next year, but hey I was promised that WOTC
would seriously look at that for 1999.
PROPS
The good sportsmanship of everybody I played.
Excellent location, lots of space and bar on site.
Stuart Gosden, love him or hate him his organisational skills are superb.
Crispy and her jackal puppies.
SLOPS
Bruno
The lack of Scottish representation at the Worlds (see above).
Bruno
Sylvain for not returning the Scottish National Magic Champion Juled Wurm.
Bruno
Postscript for WOTC (from last years posting):
Do not call it the world championships if you decide which nations can and
cannot compete based upon financial or numerical considerations.
If you want a genuine World Championship with representation by National
teams, then base your decision on what constitutes a nation on the most
popular world wide team sport: Soccer (which is difficult to admit being a
staunch rugby man).
Yours
Graham "Dipso Gnome" Thomson
Deckmasters
> cannot compete based upon financial or numerical considerations.
>
> If you want a genuine World Championship with representation by National
> teams, then base your decision on what constitutes a nation on the most
> popular world wide team sport: Soccer (which is difficult to admit being a
> staunch rugby man).
>
nation and what rugby consitutes to a nation is tehre apart from Ireland
only getting one team in rugby. Wich ever way you look at it the most
signigicant countries ( Wales and Scotland ) that make up the UK will
still get a team.
> Yours
>
> Graham "Dipso Gnome" Thomson
>
>
>
>
>
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Anne and Peter Wheeldon
hey I was there too
thanks for the mention
just cos I'm a thuper thcrub
and I scrubed out of the tourney 4-2-0 playing turbo
stompy(moohahahahahah fear the stompy!)
I am however the cutest scottish player by far and I didn't see anyone
else getting chatted up by drunken women in the bar.
Jevaque(18 in 12 days oh yes!!)
Team Wall of Blossoms(Crispy is our Team Captain)
Anne and Peter Wheeldon
Oh and I forgot to say:
FRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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DDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!
Ah that operatic training really comes in handy(learning Italian
pronunciation is a bitch however)
Jevaque(Has tonsileitis contracted through dubious activitys with
members of the opposite sex(who were sobre! Thank you.).)
OO O
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Neil Ford
<{stuart_gosden}@5_5_5_5.ednet.co.uk> posted on behalf of Graham
"Dipso Gnome" Thomson:
[tournament report snipped]
Great report Graham, if a little vitriolic in places :-)
On the representation at the Worlds thing, you can't lay all the blame
solely at one persons feet at it wasn't their decision alone. I know
this because Bruno wasn't the person who originally told me no when it
was my responsibility to ask. And no, I can't remember who it was,
sorry.
Rightly or wrongly it was the case that WotC were using the same basis
as the Olympics to decide eligability for the Worlds (and I don't mean
backhanders and jollies :-). Other factors may now (or may have been)
be playing a part, I can't say for certain as I've been away far too
long. My only real contact with WotC is a one time MD and when we
last met, magic was the last thing we talked about :-) (A *very* good
bottle of whisky had our attention!).
Oh yeah, before I forget... Congratulations! Nice to see you still
haven't lost it :-) All you have to do now is stay drunk and winf The
Worlds!
Regards
Neil.
--
Neil C. Ford (ne...@binky.demon.co.uk)
"If Magic is your crutch, cast it aside and learn to walk without it!"
student
arn't we. I think it is all moaning cos the Scottish have to travel so
far to play and then are a bit upset when they lose. It is blatantly the
case that you just want to effectively have an additional 4 slot PTQ
that is only open to scottish people, but we all want to have more PTQs
as they are an easy way to a free holiday, the money to fund it has to
come from somewhere and I don't think WoTC see the need to have 4 UK
teams instead of 1, considering the amount of extra funds it would
require. What would the criterion for playing in the Scottish nationals
be, I mean a frenchman played in last years event (and won it). A
Scottish nationals that sent a team to Worlds would just be packed with
English guys who want to qualify and it is not unreasonable to assume
that every year 2 or more of the 'Scottish' team would be english.
Christopher Manners - UK national champion (including scotland :) )
Chubblies
<flame bait snipped>
To my fellow countrymen... please don't let the likes of soft southern
sassenachs like Manners rile you. Just remember.. Englishmen invented
cricket.....now look at them....
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where your house is, which is slightly strange as this is not the way
such things are decided in any other sport (if you take the argument
that Magic is a sport).
This system is way too open to abuse. I know of at least one Welsh
player who got himself an English adddress so that he could play in the
English championships, thinking it would be easier to get into the UKs
(It was). You know who you are Mr. Williams - if that is not giving too
much away :-).
Anyway, if each component of the UK had it's own four slots to worlds,
then English players would swarm out to both Wales and Scotland
Nationals in that very fashion.
I agree that there should be seperate Nationals for this country (or at
the very least make the championships two day events so that people HAVE
to draft for once in their lives), but use the regular criteria of
having at least one grandparent form the appropriate country, and not
residence to decide which competition you can play in. Although, how you
deal with someone with dual eligibility - I don't know.
Also, whose immense idea was it to have the Nationals the same weekend
as the pre-release. It just smacks of raw stupidity, and I would like to
know who it was down to.
Thanks for listening - phil
In article <3747F9B4...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk>,
rua...@gwu.edu wrote:
> Scotland is not really a country is it I mean we are all part of the
UK
> arn't we. I think it is all moaning cos the Scottish have to travel so
> far to play and then are a bit upset when they lose. It is blatantly
the
> case that you just want to effectively have an additional 4 slot PTQ
> that is only open to scottish people, but we all want to have more
PTQs
> as they are an easy way to a free holiday, the money to fund it has to
> come from somewhere and I don't think WoTC see the need to have 4 UK
> teams instead of 1, considering the amount of extra funds it would
> require. What would the criterion for playing in the Scottish
nationals
> be, I mean a frenchman played in last years event (and won it). A
> Scottish nationals that sent a team to Worlds would just be packed
with
> English guys who want to qualify and it is not unreasonable to assume
> that every year 2 or more of the 'Scottish' team would be english.
>
> Christopher Manners - UK national champion (including scotland :) )
>
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> Yes, the current system of championships for each country is based on
> where your house is, which is slightly strange as this is not the way
> such things are decided in any other sport (if you take the argument
> that Magic is a sport).
That's a change...Julian Haigh got an invite to the Scottish "Nationals" the
year he was living in the States and still counted as being in the UK Top
100 - because that was where he'd acquired most of his ranking.
> This system is way too open to abuse. I know of at least one Welsh
> player who got himself an English adddress so that he could play in the
> English championships, thinking it would be easier to get into the UKs
> (It was). You know who you are Mr. Williams - if that is not giving too
> much away :-).
> Anyway, if each component of the UK had it's own four slots to worlds,
> then English players would swarm out to both Wales and Scotland
> Nationals in that very fashion.
I actually don't think that each of the UK countries should get 4 slots, but
I *do* think that each "Regional" Champion (Scotland, England, Wales,
N.Ireland) should get an invite, plus the top 4 (bounced) from UK Nationals.
> I agree that there should be seperate Nationals for this country (or at
> the very least make the championships two day events so that people HAVE
> to draft for once in their lives), but use the regular criteria of
> having at least one grandparent form the appropriate country, and not
> residence to decide which competition you can play in. Although, how you
> deal with someone with dual eligibility - I don't know.
And you think the current system is abusive? Under the system you describe,
I could rather humourously enter the English, Welsh and Irish Nationals -
but not the Scottish Nationals, even though that's where I've lived since
1990. And why should I have to travel to the English Nationals if my work
has moved me to, say, Israel?
Your nationality for Magic purposes should be your choice of the country you
were born in or the nearest country with a Nationals to the one you are
working in.
>
> Also, whose immense idea was it to have the Nationals the same weekend
> as the pre-release. It just smacks of raw stupidity, and I would like to
> know who it was down to.
They should actually have been 5th-6th June, but they wanted to get them
done before 6E rules came in.
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Goose
student <stu...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3747F9B4...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk...
> Scotland is not really a country is it I mean we are all part of the UK
> arn't we. I think it is all moaning cos the Scottish have to travel so
> far to play and then are a bit upset when they lose.
Come to Scotland. Repeat that comment in any random pub in front of a bunch
of proud Scottish people.
I will inform your next of kin where the pieces have been buried.
Deckmasters
> Scotland is not really a country is it I mean we are all part of the UK
> arn't we. I think it is all moaning cos the Scottish have to travel so
> far to play and then are a bit upset when they lose. It is blatantly the
> case that you just want to effectively have an additional 4 slot PTQ
> that is only open to scottish people, but we all want to have more PTQs
Of course Scotland should have it's own team and so should Wales and
Ireland. Let's be honest here how many Scotish and Welsh people consider
themselves British? There should be an Irish, Scotish and Welsh nationals
and a british one as hardly anyone in england believe that they are
english they rather consider themselves British.
> require. What would the criterion for playing in the Scottish nationals
> be, I mean a frenchman played in last years event (and won it). A
> Scottish nationals that sent a team to Worlds
Use the same citerion as they use in Sport, excluding the Olympics as
they should also their system so that Scotland, Wales and Ireland have
thier own teams.
Stewart Cowan
> > as the pre-release. It just smacks of raw stupidity, and I would like to
> > know who it was down to.
>
> They should actually have been 5th-6th June, but they wanted to get them
> done before 6E rules came in.
That doesn't make sense - Destiny is a post 6E set, and uses 6E rules.
The cards refer to the sections of the turn using 6E terminology (or at
least, they do in the spoiler I've seen.). The set won't be legal for
constructed until well after 'Classic' enters tornement play, so why
should they use 6E rules at the prerelease? All they'll do is confuse
people about the cards.
Stewart
Christopher Manners
better idea. Why would I go to a random pub in Scotland and start
talking about magic at all, I think they would beat me up anyway? I
stand by what I said it is just a question of economics Wizards don't
want to send more people than they have to cos it cost money.
Christopher Manners Scottish National Champion (for a while :) )
Goose wrote:
>
> student <stu...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:3747F9B4...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk...
> > Scotland is not really a country is it I mean we are all part of the UK
> > arn't we. I think it is all moaning cos the Scottish have to travel so
> > far to play and then are a bit upset when they lose.
>
Paul E
Christopher Manners wrote in message
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Stewart Cowan <reds...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:374B19...@hotmail.com...
read the posts and understand
just like Magic rules really :)
Goose
Christopher Manners <christoph...@pmb.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:374AD2C0...@pmb.ox.ac.uk...
> Maybe the UK team should consist of the four champions that might be a
> better idea. Why would I go to a random pub in Scotland and start
> talking about magic at all, I think they would beat me up anyway?
No, moron, if you look below you will see what I was referring to..
> Goose wrote:
> >
> > student <stu...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3747F9B4...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk...
> > > Scotland is not really a country is it I mean we are all part of the
UK
> > > arn't we. I think it is all moaning cos the Scottish have to travel so
> > > far to play and then are a bit upset when they lose.
> >
> > Come to Scotland. Repeat that comment in any random pub in front of a
bunch
> > of proud Scottish people.
> >
> > I will inform your next of kin where the pieces have been buried.
"Scotland is not really a country"..?? Excuse me? What on Earth are you
studying in university? It sure as hell isn't history! Arrogant supidity
such as this is the reason why Scotland and Wales do not want to be part of
the so-called "United" Kingdom any more - we are sick and tired of these
kind of these kind of ignorant comments from morons like yourself who
consider Watford to be "the North".
Go home to wherever in London it is you are from, ignoramous, and stop
making such bloody stupid comments in public.
s.w...@alman.co.uk
<Pine.GSO.4.05.990525...@mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
Deckmasters <su...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
> Of course Scotland should have it's own team and so should Wales and
> Ireland. Let's be honest here how many Scotish and Welsh people
consider
> themselves British? There should be an Irish, Scotish and Welsh
nationals
> and a british one as hardly anyone in england believe that they are
> english they rather consider themselves British.
Last time I checked there *was* an Irish, Scottish and Welsh National
Championships, it's just that you didn't get to go to Worlds if you
placed in the top 4 at them.
It pretty much all comes down to economics though. Graham Thomson's
recent post on the Dojo whines on about China effectively getting to
send three teams (Taiwan and Hong Kong) so why shouldn't we get to send
four from the UK? Basically I think that's probably because China has
5 Billion people (and probably tens of thousands of DCI members if it's
taking off the way it's reported to have) whereas Scotland probably
has approx 1/500th of that (And around 36 active DCI members).
If you give Scotland, Ireland and Wales national championships, then
you'll just get people claiming to have lived with their Auntie in
Edinburgh for the last 6 months just so they can easily get a place
at Worlds.
Also the US only actually gets to send the top 4 players from it's
National Championships, and most of their States are bigger than
Scotland.
> Use the same citerion as they use in Sport, excluding the Olympics as
> they should also their system so that Scotland, Wales and Ireland have
> thier own teams.
Why not use the same system as the Olympics? Pretty good base if you
ask me.
I agree that being Scottish Champion should mean something. Perhaps
we should send a Team from the UK Nats, and a Team made up of the
English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh Champions? At least that would give
English players something to fight for at our Nationals as they are
pretty meaningless for a lot of players.
Scott.
Team Spike UK
http://www.alman.co.uk/spike/
phillipm...@my-dejanews.com
> Anyway, if each component of the UK had it's own four slots to worlds,
> then English players would swarm out to both Wales and Scotland
> Nationals in that very fashion.
Or even better, the top five best countries to pretend to live in in
order to qualify for the World Championships.
5.) Mexico (full, naturally, of Random Mexicans)
4.) Slovenia or Croatia
3.) The Russian Federation
2.) New Zealand
And my personal favourite...
1.) Turkey
At least they have nice weather for their nationals. :-)
Cheers,
Phil
Paul Barclay
dejanews.com writes
>[ snip ]
>
>> Anyway, if each component of the UK had it's own four slots to worlds,
>> then English players would swarm out to both Wales and Scotland
>> Nationals in that very fashion.
>
>Or even better, the top five best countries to pretend to live in in
>order to qualify for the World Championships.
>
>5.) Mexico (full, naturally, of Random Mexicans)
The Mexicans are actually quite good (at least compared to the UK team).
Try Luxembourg instead. Russia's good, too.
>2.) New Zealand
Again, probably not the best bet (they speak English, and have the
occasional good player).
>1.) Turkey
Probably a good choice. If you don't get killed by terrorists.
Paul.
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Gavin Coles
_5_5.ednet.co.uk> writes
>who
>consider Watford to be "the North".
watfords in the north? thanks, i hadnt bothered looking that far up the
map ;)
--
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Christopher Manners
soverign nation, it is part of the united kingdom. You don't see all the
English people moaning about not having a separate team so why do the
Scots, everyone has a fair crack at the team i don't see the problem.
Goose wrote:
>
> Well, it is quite obvious that some people do not read properly.
>
> Christopher Manners <christoph...@pmb.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:374AD2C0...@pmb.ox.ac.uk...
> > Maybe the UK team should consist of the four champions that might be a
> > better idea. Why would I go to a random pub in Scotland and start
> > talking about magic at all, I think they would beat me up anyway?
>
> No, moron, if you look below you will see what I was referring to..
>
> > Goose wrote:
> > >
> > > student <stu...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:3747F9B4...@comprm3.pmb.ox.ac.uk...
> > > > Scotland is not really a country is it I mean we are all part of the
> UK
> > > > arn't we. I think it is all moaning cos the Scottish have to travel so
> > > > far to play and then are a bit upset when they lose.
> > >
> > > Come to Scotland. Repeat that comment in any random pub in front of a
> bunch
> > > of proud Scottish people.
> > >
> > > I will inform your next of kin where the pieces have been buried.
>
> "Scotland is not really a country"..?? Excuse me? What on Earth are you
> studying in university? It sure as hell isn't history!
I am reading chemistry
Arrogant supidity
> such as this is the reason why Scotland and Wales do not want to be part of
> the so-called "United" Kingdom any more -
I am not ignorant I am perfectly willing to accept that england is not
an independent country either we are all part of the UK
we are sick and tired of these
> kind of these kind of ignorant comments from morons like yourself who
> consider Watford to be "the North".
>
What makes you think I consider Watford the north?
> Go home to wherever in London it is you are from, ignoramous, and stop
> making such bloody stupid comments in public.
What is the point in me going home to London when I have to take my
finals in 1 week it would be a bit stupid :)
Paul Willis
Due to a DCI computer error for about 3 months last year I was the top
ranked player in Afghanistan. Anyone who's seen me play will be able to
deduce from this that the Afghans are VERY bad players...
--
Paul Willis
Team Jurassic Park
Stronghold Parkmaster
"Monsta! Monsta! Monsta!"
Deckmasters
> Don't get a hard on. All I was trying to say is that Scotland is not an
> soverign nation, it is part of the united kingdom. You don't see all the
> English people moaning about not having a separate team so why do the
> Scots, everyone has a fair crack at the team i don't see the problem.
>
Scotland is more of a nation than part of UK. We don't see any of the
english moaning about not having a second team because the majority of the
english population is too ashamed to admit the fact that they are english.
They rather hide behind the catch all term BRITISH. We all know that
out of the four nations that form up the farce called the United Kingdom
england is the least cultured.
> Arrogant supidity
> > such as this is the reason why Scotland and Wales do not want to be part of
> > the so-called "United" Kingdom any more -
>
> I am not ignorant I am perfectly willing to accept that england is not
> an independent country either we are all part of the UK
>
Because if you do you have to then face up with being called English. The
only thing that england has going for it is football hooligans.
> > Go home to wherever in London it is you are from, ignoramous, and stop
> > making such bloody stupid comments in public.
>
> What is the point in me going home to London when I have to take my
> finals in 1 week it would be a bit stupid :)
>
Correct that it would be english.
Paul E
> out of the four nations that form up the farce called the United Kingdom
> england is the least cultured.
>
How can you say that of the Nation that gave us Cricket, Snooker, Black
Pudding, The Millenium Dome (well no one else wanted it).
The English can't claim the Monacy haven't had an English King ever, the
closest was the tudors and thats iffy to say the least. That's definatly one
for the Scots.
Paul
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beaten up in pubs in England, Scotland and Wales. (I've never been to
N.I.) Funnily enough in none of these hostelries was I talking about
magic.
Why not play a Four/Five Nations trophy at Gen-Con?
Graham,
if you wish to invade France to re-patriate your trophy you can
count me in.
Brett.
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<Pine.GSO.4.10.990527...@mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
Deckmasters <su...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
> Scotland is more of a nation than part of UK. We don't see any of the
So you admit that the first team is going to be English then?
I think this is basically what it comes down to. The Scots know they
haven't really got a chance at Worlds via the UK Nats and want an easy
way to get a free trip to Tokyo.
> Because if you do you have to then face up with being called English.
> The only thing that england has going for it is football hooligans.
...and better Magic players than Scotland obviously. Given that this is
a Magic newsgroup and not alt.hooliganism that's probably more relevant.
I'm sure Scotland has it's fair share of hooligans too. They're just
not as good as the English ones. :-)
> > What is the point in me going home to London when I have to take my
> > finals in 1 week it would be a bit stupid :)
> >
> Correct that it would be english.
"Duh... those english are stoopid..."
You're really not helping your cause here much mate. :-)
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Gavin Coles
>Curiously, I have a Scottish mother, and believe it or not I have been
>beaten up in pubs in England, Scotland and Wales. (I've never been to
>N.I.) Funnily enough in none of these hostelries was I talking about
>magic.
hmm. i'd suggest that either you're drinking in the wrong places, or
giving out the wrong signals. to be beaten up once is an accident, twice
looks like carelessness, thrice is because you enjoy it ;)
--
Gavin Coles
Paul Willis
>
> On Thu, 27 May 1999, Christopher Manners wrote:
>
> > Don't get a hard on. All I was trying to say is that Scotland is not an
> > soverign nation, it is part of the united kingdom. You don't see all the
> > English people moaning about not having a separate team so why do the
> > Scots, everyone has a fair crack at the team i don't see the problem.
> >
> english population is too ashamed to admit the fact that they are english.
> out of the four nations that form up the farce called the United Kingdom
> england is the least cultured.
What ARE you on about exactly anyway? Does Scotland have a
legislature? Executive? Judicary? Monetary System? Is it a member of
the UN? Without getting too way off topic you are currently a part of
the UK, not a _soverign_ nation. Looked at the percentages of Scots
living in England and English living in Scotland recently? What're you
gonna do about them, ethnically cleanse them? Anyway we all know that
in sport these categories are seemingly randomly decided e.g. its
Eng/Scot/Wales/N.Ireland in most sports but the UK at the Olympics, on
the other hand it's Trinidad et al in most sports (these actually are
nation states) but the West Indes in Cricket, and you don't see them
loosing their rag... try and calm down... breath slowly... That's it.
--
Paul Willis
Team Jurassic Park
Stronghold Parkmaster
Heh, "don't get a hard on", I'm gonna be using that in the future...
Deckmasters
> What ARE you on about exactly anyway?
No one apart from England wants to remain part of the UK.
> Does Scotland have a
> legislature?
yes
> Executive?
yes
> Judicary?
yes
> Monetary System?
> Yes just because it's exchange rate is directly linked to the pound one
for one doesn't mean anything.
> Is it a member of the UN?
I guess not but neither is Taiwan which is claiming to be a nation.
> Without getting too way off topic you are currently a part of
> the UK, not a _soverign_ nation.
But scotland should be a soverign nation not a part of something that they
don't want to be part of.
> Looked at the percentages of Scots
> living in England and English living in Scotland recently? What're you
> gonna do about them, ethnically cleanse them?
What are you trying to say. Because India is a soverign nation we should
kick out all the Indians? And India should kick out the english? etc.
> Anyway we all know that
> in sport these categories are seemingly randomly decided e.g. its
> Eng/Scot/Wales/N.Ireland in most sports but the UK at the Olympics, on
> the other hand it's Trinidad et al in most sports (these actually are
> nation states) but the West Indes in Cricket, and you don't see them
> loosing their rag... try and calm down... breath slowly... That's it.
>
How do you know that trinidad doesn't want it's own cricket team?
> --
> Paul Willis
> Team Jurassic Park
> Stronghold Parkmaster
>
> Heh, "don't get a hard on", I'm gonna be using that in the future...
>
>
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Chris Lansdell
ac.uk>, Deckmasters <su...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> writes
> on
>> the other hand it's Trinidad et al in most sports (these actually are
>> nation states) but the West Indes in Cricket, and you don't see them
>> loosing their rag... try and calm down... breath slowly... That's it.
>>
>How do you know that trinidad doesn't want it's own cricket team?
Let's play Jump in halfway through the Thread!
I used to live in Barbados and let me tell you, nearly all the
territories that make up the Windies are starting to think they should
have their own cricket team. And with all the in-fighting it won't be
long.
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Chris Dual Lansdell