Announcement : Mid Glam POTY Beer Fest.
The Sec-RAT-ary
Mid Glam Camra 'Pub of the Year', 'The Barn at Mywndy'
Mwyndy - Nr Llantrisant - Mid Glamorgan ...
(or Rhondda Cynon Taff if you prefer ?) ... are holding
their 2nd Beer Festival.
*PROPOSED* BEER LIST
Abbey Ales - Bellringer - 4.2
Brasserie - Barb Torte - 5.0
Cannon Royall - Kings Shilling - 5.0
Cheriton - Village Elder - 3.8
Dark Star - Sunburst - 5.0
Dwan - Tigers Eye Wheat - 5.0
Dwan - Amber Lager - 4.3
Dwan - An Dubhain Stout - 5.0
Green Jack - Orange Wheat - 4.2
Green Jack - Summer Dream - 4.0
Green Tye - Mad Morris - 4.2
Heather Ales - Kelpie - 4.4
Heather Ales - Alba - 7.5
Herold - Bohemian Black Lager - 5.2
Iceni - Raspberry Wheat - 5.0
Isle of Skye - Blaven - 5.0
Isle of Skye - Young Pretender - 4.0
Oakfield - Maypole Mild - 3.8
Old Swan - Entire - 4.4
Organic - Serpentine - 4.5
Points West - HLB - 4.2
RCH - PG Steam - 3.9
Ring O Bells - Bod Bocr - 4.3
Sarah Hughes - Dark Ruby Mild - 6.0
Skye - Hebridean Gold - 4.3
Ventnor - Old Ruby - 4.7
Wickwar - Station Porter - 6.1
Yates - Undercliff - 4.1
** Plus 12 'local' beers **
(Brains, Bullmastiff, Tomos Watkin etc.)
CIDERS
Hicks Gate Dry 6.5
Hicks Gate Sweet 6.5
(List supplied by Mid Glam Camra Webmaster)
*PROPOSED* ENTERTAINMENT
Fri Evening - Llantrisant Male Voice Choir
Sat - Celtic Cross - The Publiners
Sun - The Amigos
OTHER INFO
Sat BBQ - 3pm onwards
Sun BBQ - 2pm onwards
POTY AWARD
To be presented sometime on Saturday afternoon.
THE BARN ...
Can be found on Page 377, 2001 Good Beer Guide
OPENING TIMES etc ...
To *confirm* all the above *before* attending, please
contact either Mark or Christine Wilby (Managers)
on Tel : (01443) 222333 or Fax : (01443) 227766
Cheers ...
--
Dave
The Sec-RAT-ary
Real Ale Tasting Society - {R.A.T.S.}
& Mid Glam Camra Member
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Roy Bailey
<Da...@the-rats.org> writes
>If you're in the area on 20th to 22nd July 2001 ...
>Mid Glam Camra 'Pub of the Year', 'The Barn at Mywndy'
>Mwyndy - Nr Llantrisant - Mid Glamorgan ...
>(or Rhondda Cynon Taff if you prefer ?) ... are holding
>their 2nd Beer Festival.
>
>
>*PROPOSED* BEER LIST
>
>
>CIDERS
>Hicks Gate Dry 6.5
>Hicks Gate Sweet 6.5
>(List supplied by Mid Glam Camra Webmaster)
>
Wales's newest cider maker, Dave Matthews?
--
Roy Bailey - Proprietor
The Lambourn Valley Cider Company
(Real cider from the Royal County)
<in...@lambournvalleycider.co.uk>
Andy Camroux
>Another festival not taking cider seriously. Have you not heard of
>Wales's newest cider maker, Dave Matthews?
>--
> Roy Bailey - Proprietor
> The Lambourn Valley Cider Company
> (Real cider from the Royal County)
> <in...@lambournvalleycider.co.uk>
Another silly little man with a bee in his bonnet. When you get
involved in the organisation of a festival maybe we'll start listening
to you.
For your information, sending price lists as unsolicited word documents
attached to e-mail a fortnight before the festival is VERY unlikely to
win you an order - personally I never open unsolicited word documents;
the risk of a virus is too high. If you want to get your cider into
festivals try contacting them during the planning stage, i.e. up to six
months before the event, NOT in the month before.
Andy Camroux
Phil Davies
>When you get
> involved in the organisation of a festival maybe we'll start >listening
> to you.
Couldn't agree more. There are too many people out there ready to criticise
Beer Festivals who aren't prepared to put any work in themselves.
If you want to influence or change things, do something constructive like
getting involved in organising a festival. Maybe then you will appreciate
just how much hard work is involved and think twice about criticising.
Phil
Tony Green
>
> Another festival not taking cider seriously.
Haven't you noticed? CAMRA stands for the Campaign for Real ALE, not the
campaign for the promotion of moaning cider makers.
--
Tony Green
Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Websites http://www.beermad.org.uk/ http://www.pub-ip.org.uk/
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The Sec-RAT-ary
wrote in message news:SeN7iJAw...@westberks.demon.co.uk...
> In article <9ijlic$jgc8b$1...@ID-63462.news.dfncis.de>,
The Sec-RAT-ary> <Da...@the-rats.org> writes
Re : Mid Glam POTY Beer Fest.
> [snipped]
> >CIDERS
> >Hicks Gate Dry 6.5
> >Hicks Gate Sweet 6.5
> Another festival not taking cider seriously. Have you not
> heard of Wales's newest cider maker, Dave Matthews?
> --
>Roy Bailey
Yes Roy ... *I* have ... but maybe, just maybe, the person
actually running the festival, hasn't ?
As a customer at 'The Barn', I had already suggested &
'arranged' that, (3 of my favourite breweries by the way),
Abbey Ales, Wickwar and Swansea Brewing Co. Beers
be present, and had also suggested in the past that the pub
use 'Shipping Beers' to supply some 'interesting' alternatives ...
so not actually knowing bugger all about Cider ... apart from
liking the 'odd drop' now and again ... I think it's up to 'someone
else' to suggest summat in the Cider dept. !
There was an article all about 'Seidr Dai' on our July R.A.T.S.
Newsletter and I managed to taste the above cider at the
German Beer Festival at the Chapter Arts Centre - Canton,
Cardiff on Sat.19th May, which I mentioned here a while back.
Click on link to see Dave Matthews posing - (just for fun) - for
our Website ... there's some other well known faces there too ! ;o)
http://www.rats-nest.co.uk/RATS_SITE2/holding_trade_section.htm
Pandora
Andy Camroux <a.ca...@gre.ac.uk> wrote:
> Another silly little man with a bee in his bonnet. When you get
> involved in the organisation of a festival maybe we'll start listening
> to you.
Do your homework before you start slagging people off, Andy!
IMHO people who sink their time and money into actually producing what we
are campaigning for are working just as hard for the campaign as
non-producing members. It could be said they are putting their money where
their mouth is.
--
Chris Ramsbottom
Britishpubguide.com
> <Da...@the-rats.org> writes
> >If you're in the area on 20th to 22nd July 2001 ...
> >Mid Glam Camra 'Pub of the Year', 'The Barn at Mywndy'
> >Mwyndy - Nr Llantrisant - Mid Glamorgan ...
> >
> >Hicks Gate Dry 6.5
> >Hicks Gate Sweet 6.5
> >(List supplied by Mid Glam Camra Webmaster)
> >
> Another festival not taking cider seriously. Have you not heard of
> Wales's newest cider maker, Dave Matthews?
> --
Lets not be too dismissive here. The Barn is an excllent pub and the festival sounds great fun (sadly, family
commitments mean I'm going to have to miss this one), so lets encourage them rather than slagging them off here.
I quite like Hicks Gate as it goes, so with a bit of luck it will be popular at the event and the Barn will find it
worthwhile doing more 'proper' cider on a regular basis! If the guys want advice from people who know cider, the
Hollybush at Hopkinstown has always done a good pint or two..... :-} (01443) 402 325
Good luck with the event guys!
(Also Roy, if you let me know where lambourn valley cider can be found (ie which pubs), I'll gladly add the info to
our website for you..)
Cheers
Dunc
Phil Clark
wrote:
><snipped>
>>Another festival not taking cider seriously. Have you not heard of
>>Wales's newest cider maker, Dave Matthews?
>>--
>> Roy Bailey - Proprietor
>> The Lambourn Valley Cider Company
>> (Real cider from the Royal County)
>> <in...@lambournvalleycider.co.uk>
>
>Another silly little man with a bee in his bonnet. When you get
>involved in the organisation of a festival maybe we'll start listening
>to you.
Well, I think he was just a man trying to sell his cider. Knowing how
difficult it is to run a small brewery (and presumably a small cider
business is at least as hard) I can understand his point of view.
One problem, unfortunately, is that at many festivals not a lot of
cider is sold, and a lot of the drinkers are probably people who have
rarely, if ever, drunk real cider. And a lot of real cider can be...
let's say, challenging in flavour, and really only for the
cognoscenti. So it might make sense at a small festival to a couple
of ciders that you *know* will taste OK to most palates and will sell.
>For your information, sending price lists as unsolicited word documents
>attached to e-mail a fortnight before the festival is VERY unlikely to
>win you an order - personally I never open unsolicited word documents;
>the risk of a virus is too high.
True, it would be better to send a text file.
>If you want to get your cider into
>festivals try contacting them during the planning stage, i.e. up to six
>months before the event, NOT in the month before.
For Kingston, I don't think we had firmed up the cider order until 4-6
weeks before the Festival, although a lot of this was due to foot and
mouth making a lot of ciders unavailable earlier in the year.
However, as I've never been involved in running another festival, I
don't know how far in advance cider orders are usually finalised.
Roy, if you send me a price list I'll pass it on to our cider bar
manager for next year.
Phil Clark
wrote:
>Roy Bailey wrote:
>>
>> Another festival not taking cider seriously.
>
>Haven't you noticed? CAMRA stands for the Campaign for Real ALE, not the
>campaign for the promotion of moaning cider makers.
Quite rightly, IMO, CAMRA supports real cider and perry. Quite why
there isn't an independent organisation doing the same is beyond me,
but as far as I know there isn't.
Roy Bailey
[snipped]
>Another silly little man with a bee in his bonnet. When you get
>involved in the organisation of a festival maybe we'll start listening
>to you.
Been there, done it, got the tee-shirt - probably when you lot were
crawling around the floor in nappies, puking (which, by the tone of some
of the postings on this thread, was about 5 years ago.)
>For your information, sending price lists as unsolicited word documents
>attached to e-mail a fortnight before the festival is VERY unlikely to
>win you an order - personally I never open unsolicited word documents;
>the risk of a virus is too high.
I receive Word attachments all the time without any problem.
> If you want to get your cider into
>festivals try contacting them during the planning stage, i.e. up to six
>months before the event, NOT in the month before.
>
I fear that you demonstrate an almost total ignorance of cider, its
production, and its marketing, every time you put fingers to keyboard. I
cannot speak for large companies like Bulmers, but most cider (and
perry) is produced once a year in late autumn/early winter from that
year's crop of fruit, and then needs to ferment for several months. Only
when fermentation has finished and the product has stabilised is it
possible to work out the final alcohol content (dependant on the final
gravity) and to assess other factors for that year's list. I normally do
this in May, and the price list goes out then. To abide by your
requirement would mean sending out a list in December, when we are still
pressing.
In fact, our products remain very much the same from year to year, and
our prices have not varied since we started 5 years ago. You were sent a
list at about the same time in 2000, but either you lost it or your
Luddite attitude ensured that you did not receive it.
Although we are small, we use new technology as much as possible. We
assume that any CAMRA branch which has a website and/or an e-mail
address uses it for communication, and act accordingly.
And finally, I established last year that, while some branches (like
yours) finalise their list months before their festival, others decide
on the cider and perry at the very last moment. Since I cannot possibly
please everyone with my policies, I take the logical step of pleasing
myself.
Tony Green
> I receive Word attachments all the time without any problem.
Maybe so, but if your object is to actually have people read what you've
sent them, it's a bad idea to transmit Word attachments because (a)
they'll waste many times the bandwidth that simple text within the email
would use, (b) they won't be opened by people who don't want to risk
allowing Micro$oft's Virus Propagation System (aka Outlook) to bugger up
their system and (c) they won't be opened by people who have the good
sense not to use Windoze.
Unless there's an incredibly good and vital reason for using a Word
attachment instead of simply pasting what you have to say into an
email's body, then it's stupid to attach it.
--
Tony Green
Ipswich, Suffolk, England
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day it is the Mid Glam POTY BEER Fest.
If they feel cider is not getting a fair crack of the whip it is up to them to
organise a Cider Festival.
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:46:22 +0100, "The Sec-RAT-ary" <Da...@the-rats.org> was heard
to utter:
Tony Henley
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(Use this e mail address. Anti spam measure in "reply to".)
Bill Foote
the 90+% of the on-line population that uses the world
standard software (MS Office etc.)
As you said earlier, proper use of MS Word and Outlook does
NOT expose you to virus attacks
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Bill Foote
hence has not had problems (nor have I and I do not have
firewalls and AV software everywhere)
"Steven Pampling" <steve.p...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in
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> In article <9iu1t4$poc$1...@susscsc1.reading.ac.uk>,
> Bill Foote <w.d.n...@rdg.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > As you said earlier, proper use of MS Word and Outlook
does
> > NOT expose you to virus attacks
>
> Hmmm, use your computer on a LAN with a virus wall and
firewall set up do
> you?
NO
> Sorry Bill, but there are a fair few thousand (million?)
IT support people
> who would disagree. Unprotected use of Word and Outlook
does leave you
> exposed.
Who said "unprotected" anyhow?
Tony Green
>
> Roy - Ignore this p****** - you are successfully reaching
> the 90+% of the on-line population that uses the world
> standard software (MS Office etc.)
Do you believe any small business can afford to risk alienating even 10%
of potential customers for no good reason?
>
> As you said earlier, proper use of MS Word and Outlook does
> NOT expose you to virus attacks
Frankly that it cobblers of the first order. Word macro viruses have
been amongst the most virulent and destructive in circulation. Outlook
is more often known as "Look Out" in IT circles because it's so
perfectly designed to act as a virus transmission agent.
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Roy Bailey
<to...@beermad.org.uk> writes
>Bill Foote wrote:
>>
>> Roy - Ignore this p****** - you are successfully reaching
>> the 90+% of the on-line population that uses the world
>> standard software (MS Office etc.)
>
>Do you believe any small business can afford to risk alienating even 10%
>of potential customers for no good reason?
>
>>
>> As you said earlier, proper use of MS Word and Outlook does
>> NOT expose you to virus attacks
>
>Frankly that it cobblers of the first order. Word macro viruses have
>been amongst the most virulent and destructive in circulation. Outlook
>is more often known as "Look Out" in IT circles because it's so
>perfectly designed to act as a virus transmission agent.
>
Express and spend a little money buying Turnpike, which I use, they
would not experience these problems.
However, that is getting off the topic.
Dave Clarke
<ne...@westberks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>If people would throw out Microsoft's cheap crap known as Outlook
>Express and spend a little money buying Turnpike, which I use, they
>would not experience these problems.
I think it's not off topic. The thread has turned into a discussion
about small businesses informing potential customers about their
products. Sounds relevant to small beer and cider producers to me.
Many people use their work email for other things than work, like
organising beer festivals. Companies people work for, if they have
half an ounce of sense, will be worried about viruses. Unfortunately,
as it's used widely, the most common viruses seem to be word macros.
I personally have virus checking software on my home computer, but
would still not open an email with a word attachment from someone I
did not know. At work it would probably not even receive the message,
just a note that a message was received.
Use plain text, it's a lot easier. Using Word documents just looks
like you don't know much about the technology.
--
Dave Clarke
Tim Vanhoof
> Roy - Ignore this p****** - you are successfully reaching
> the 90+% of the on-line population that uses the world
> standard software (MS Office etc.)
Word is not a standard. It's a heap of shit.
> As you said earlier, proper use of MS Word and Outlook does
> NOT expose you to virus attacks
Why not use programs which are better, work properly, adhere to real
standards and don't expose you to virus attacks?
You just carry on. Infect your computer and all your friends' with
Melissa, Iloveyou and the many still to come. I don't care.