Eggs Benedict
Mike......
decide what's the best sort of bacon/ham to use? Is there anything sort of
between bacon and york ham?
BTW Wikipedia suggests "farm fresh" bacon, what the hell is that?
(Gordon Ramsay goes for parma or similar)
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Anne Chambers
> isnt it the best recipe to come out of the US? I love it, however I cant
> decide what's the best sort of bacon/ham to use? Is there anything sort of
> between bacon and york ham?
>
> BTW Wikipedia suggests "farm fresh" bacon, what the hell is that?
>
> (Gordon Ramsay goes for parma or similar)
I like it made with fresh ham sliced off the bone - so we used to have
it a lot as Christmas time when I would cook and glaze a ham :)
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CP
wrote:
> isnt it the best recipe to come out of the US? I love it, however I cant
> decide what's the best sort of bacon/ham to use? Is there anything sort of
> between bacon and york ham?
>
> BTW Wikipedia suggests "farm fresh" bacon, what the hell is that?
>
> (Gordon Ramsay goes for parma or similar)
If one doesn't eat ham/bacon, what would be the best substitute?
Anne Chambers
smoked salmon
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Another case of Wiki is stupid. The bacon used is cured tenderloin or loin,
and we call is Canadian bacon. I think they call it back bacon, but I'm not
sure. It might be pea bacon. Like the Italians have many ways of saying
love, the Canadians have many words for bacon.
I think Ramsay is dumb, too, because the smokiness you need and of course
Parma is not smoked.
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Sacha
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Canadian bacon (IME) is more like our streaky bacon.
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> Canadian bacon (IME) is more like our streaky bacon.
>
> --
> Sacha
I meant it is what Americans call Canadian bacon... which is pretty much fat
free.
Mike......
> Another case of Wiki is stupid.
i have removed the "farm fresh"
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Mike......
>> If one doesn't eat ham/bacon, what would be the best substitute?
>
> smoked salmon
i wondering if asparagus could play a role?
Anne Chambers
> Following up to Anne Chambers
>
>>> If one doesn't eat ham/bacon, what would be the best substitute?
>> smoked salmon
>
> i wondering if asparagus could play a role?
I reckon :)
Seriously nice!
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> Following up to Anne Chambers
>
>>> If one doesn't eat ham/bacon, what would be the best substitute?
>>
>> smoked salmon
>
> i wondering if asparagus could play a role?
> --
> "Mike....."(not "Mike")
Add what you like, but include a new name. Dunno why the asparagus should
be IN it, though.
Some friends and I are presenting those American recipes still, every Friday
with no plans to run out of good food in the foreseeable future! Eggs
Benedict is very good, but it is not the best US thing by a wide margin.
For a start, hollandaise is French (or Italian).
Mike......
> Add what you like, but include a new name.
of course.
>Dunno why the asparagus should be IN it, though.
> Some friends and I are presenting those American recipes still, every Friday
> with no plans to run out of good food in the foreseeable future! Eggs
> Benedict is very good, but it is not the best US thing by a wide margin.
> For a start, hollandaise is French (or Italian).
Youre going to struggle if you want every item invented in the US before
its american.
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Giusi
I just would nominate to the hall of fame those that didn't start with
something foreign. As you know, I am delighted to throw anyone's culture
into my pots.
Mike......
> I am delighted to throw anyone's culture
> into my pots.
OK as long as your boil it thoroughly
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Mike......
> I just would nominate to the hall of fame those that didn't start with
> something foreign.
top three?
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> Following up to Giusi
>
>> I just would nominate to the hall of fame those that didn't start with
>> something foreign.
>
> top three?
> --
> "Mike....."(not "Mike")
Top of my head:
roast turkey with stuffing
lobster pie
chile con carne
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> CP wrote:
[]
> > If one doesn't eat ham/bacon, what would be the best substitute?
>
> smoked salmon
I suspect salt beef wouldn't be a bad substitute either.
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CP
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> Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote:
> > CP wrote:
> []
> > > If one doesn't eat ham/bacon, what would be the best substitute?
>
> > smoked salmon
>
> I suspect salt beef wouldn't be a bad substitute either.
I prefer the salmon option. I often make fried eggs with (lightly
fried) smoked salmon, so I guess it won't be a million miles away from
that. Is it Hollandaise that one puts on Eggs Benedict? I've always
found Hollandaise to be bland. Anything one can do to sex it up a bit?
Bruce
The most powerful man in the world, the President of the United States
of America, confidently stated that "the French don't even have a word
for entrepreneur".
Bruce
>chile con carne
That's of Mexican origin, isn't it?
And Mexico must be "foreign", otherwise the Bush administration would
not be building hundreds of miles of high security fences on the
border with Mexico.
Bruce
Hollandaise is as rich as it gets. It's as far from bland as can be,
and need no sexing up. (Just my opinion!)
I like Eggs Benedict made according to the traditional recipe with
Canadian streaky bacon. You can buy the "Canadian" bacon in
Morrisons. I don't think it is really from Canada, but it tastes just
like the real thing.
Half a toasted English muffin, buttered, two rashers of Canadian
bacon, cut in half to fit, one poached egg, then a tablespoon of
Hollandaise sauce on top. Optionally, you can put it under a hot
grill for 30-40 seconds to sear the Hollandaise (I don't bother). One
egg is a nice starter, two eggs make a substantial breakfast.
I serve with a dash of balsamic vinegar and some freshly ground black
pepper or Pimento (Jamaican All Spice). If I don't have any suitable
bacon I use Parma or Serrano ham. British bacon doesn't quite do it.
As others have suggested, smoked salmon is a good alternative to the
bacon. For kosher and halal diets "bacon" rashers made from beef is a
reasonable substitute, if hard to find. Vegetarian rashers are also a
viable alternative for non-meat eaters.
If I have neither bacon nor smoked salmon, I use a spoonful of caviar.
Eggs Benedict is a luxury item on the menu but it can be made cheaply
with muffins from your favourite supermarket, Hollandaise sauce from
Aldi (in a cardboard carton) and smoked salmon and lumpfish caviar
from Lidl. But always use free range eggs. ;-)
Wayne Boatwright
of English (UK) origin IIRC
> lobster pie
maybe
> chile con carne
probably considered of Mexican origin, since Texas (I believe the origin of
chili con carne) was part of Mexico at the time
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Giusi
Is it Hollandaise that one puts on Eggs Benedict? I've always
> found Hollandaise to be bland. Anything one can do to sex it up a bit?
Make it correctly. It is anything but bland. Or make something different--
Indian or Mexican.
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Giusi
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> On Thu 15 May 2008 09:52:33a, Giusi told us...
>
>>
>>
>> "Mike......" <mikeysc...@freedomnames.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:hf95qc9ok6la.j3bqja9rmjsz$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> Following up to Giusi
>>>
>>>> I just would nominate to the hall of fame those that didn't start with
>>>> something foreign.
>>>
>>> top three?
>>> --
>>> "Mike....."(not "Mike")
>>
>> Top of my head:
>> roast turkey with stuffing
>
> of English (UK) origin IIRC
>
>> lobster pie
>
> maybe
>
>> chile con carne
>
> probably considered of Mexican origin, since Texas (I believe the origin
> of
> chili con carne) was part of Mexico at the time
Bite your tongue! The turkey is an American native and we New Englanders
were cooking it long before the Brits started growing them.
I don't know when chile con carne was come up with as a foreigners view of
what Mexican home cooks made, but both Mexiuco and the US are America, so I
don't care who it belonged to at the time.
Wayne Boatwright
Well, okay then.
You might want to add Pecan Pie. It is *definitely* of American origin.
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Mike......
> probably considered of Mexican origin, since Texas (I believe the origin of
> chili con carne) was part of Mexico at the time
if the place it came from is now in the US...........
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Mike......
> Make it correctly. It is anything but bland.
indeed, we had it at the weekend. I invented a name for the version with
asparagus
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
eggs benedict with asparagus, what do you think?
did you know Eggs Benedict was a Chicago gangster and gourmand who was
machine gunned by Johnny "two legs" Fittipaldi while eating the eponymous
dish with his guard down?
Mike......
> Bite your tongue! The turkey is an American native and we New Englanders
> were cooking it long before the Brits started growing them.
I assume stuffed turkey is US thanksgiving special? Our Xmas special is
duck, we recently adopted turkey, I assume from US?
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Giusi
>
>> Make it correctly. It is anything but bland.
>
> indeed, we had it at the weekend. I invented a name for the version with
> asparagus
> .
> .
>
> did you know Eggs Benedict was a Chicago gangster and gourmand who was
> machine gunned by Johnny "two legs" Fittipaldi while eating the eponymous
> dish with his guard down?
> --
> "Mike....."(not "Mike")
How about British muffins with egg and asparagus?
I recently did a lunch of popover (YP) with spinach, poached egg and
hollandaise. It did not call it eggs benedict, I called it lunch.
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Pull the other one, Mike.
Ruby Hare
> CP <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >On May 15, 6:53 pm, d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> >(*)) wrote:
> >> Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >> > CP wrote:
> Half a toasted English muffin, buttered, two rashers of Canadian
> bacon, cut in half to fit, one poached egg, then a tablespoon of
> Hollandaise sauce on top. Optionally, you can put it under a hot
> grill for 30-40 seconds to sear the Hollandaise (I don't bother). One
> egg is a nice starter, two eggs make a substantial breakfast.
Ok, here is a silly question for a Friday - what exactly is an English
muffin? I've never understood. Are we talking about something like a
crumpet, or a tea cake? Or something completely different?
Wendy
Tim C.
Then it wouldn't be Eggs Benedict, rather Ouvo Beneditto.
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Mike......
> Are we talking about something like a
> crumpet, or a tea cake? Or something completely different?
Its not like a crumpet and its not a cake. More like a bread roll.
"a flat circular spongy bread roll made from yeast dough and eaten split,
toasted, and buttered.
2 chiefly N. Amer. a small domed spongy cake made with eggs and baking
powder."
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Mike......
> How about British muffins with egg and asparagus?
it would have to be english muffins with poached egg and asparagus and
hollandaise and spinach, more a recipe than a name!
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> Following up to Ruby Hare
>
> > Are we talking about something like a
> > crumpet, or a tea cake? Or something completely different?
>
> Its not like a crumpet and its not a cake. More like a bread roll.
>
> "a flat circular spongy bread roll made from yeast dough and eaten split,
> toasted, and buttered.
> 2 chiefly N. Amer. a small domed spongy cake made with eggs and baking
> powder."
Thanks. It's curious I've never come across one, will have to redress
that. :)
Wendy
Richard Tobin
Ruby Hare <ruby...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Ok, here is a silly question for a Friday - what exactly is an English
>muffin? I've never understood.
It's an American term to distinguish them from cake-like muffins
(blueberry etc). It's just a kind of flat bread roll.
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Mike......
> It's an American term to distinguish them from cake-like muffins
> (blueberry etc). It's just a kind of flat bread roll.
tesco have something called "oven bottom muffins" confusingly on a
different shelf from the muffins, they are more round.
Bruce
But Texas was part of Mexico until 1849, and the dish we are
discussing surely pre-dates that.
Bruce
Muffins have gone out of favour in the UK, with the result that they
are now most often found only in McDonald's breakfast menu! However,
the popularity of the "English Muffin" at McDonalds means that you can
also buy them at some supermarkets, notably Tesco.
It's much more solid than a tea cake. It isn't fruited.
James Silverton
Didn't we discuss this before Giusi? Anyway, chili con carne is
Tex-Mex as you say but Tex-Mex cooking developed from that of
the neighboring border state of Sonora.
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Ignore 2 because that's not an English muffin. On one of the many websites
I went to from a link here, I saw a photo of a "muffin" and it was just what
I think of as an E Muff. They do resemble crumpets a bit, but they are
baked in the oven and taken out before completely cooked so that they sort
of collapse a bit and are very moist with lots of coarse holes inside. When
fork split, the holes create a lot of crusty peaks and valleys for
collecting butter.
One of you who feels English ought to make them.
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Yeah, well Bruce isn't going along, but the way I see it, we stole the whole
damned country from this one and that one, so if you look at it that way,
nothing is American, or my way, everything is American as long is it is from
that hemisphere. Sort of like how the Russians invented tractors and
televisions and houses.
Dave
> Following up to Richard Tobin
>
>
>>It's an American term to distinguish them from cake-like muffins
>>(blueberry etc). It's just a kind of flat bread roll.
>
>
> tesco have something called "oven bottom muffins" confusingly on a
> different shelf from the muffins, they are more round.
According to when I lived near to Manchester, an oven bottom muffin
would be a flat, slightly raised bread roll, which had a finger/pointed
object poked into the centre before it was baked, I assume to prevent it
rising too much. It would have been about a maximum thickness of about 1
inch/25 mm. and about 5 inch /125 mm in diam.
When I moved a bit further up North (35 miles), they became very much
like 2 inches thick and about the same diam, with out the dimple in the
middle and the same diam.
Much the same occurred about the name of dried peas that had been soaked
and cooked. Where I was born, they were called dried peas, even after
they were table ready. Where I am now, they are called parched peas.
Usually, they were black peas.
Dave
Dave
> Ruby Hare <ruby...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>On May 15, 8:18 pm, Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>CP <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 15, 6:53 pm, d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>>>>(*)) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>CP wrote:
>>
>>>Half a toasted English muffin, buttered, two rashers of Canadian
>>>bacon, cut in half to fit, one poached egg, then a tablespoon of
>>>Hollandaise sauce on top. Optionally, you can put it under a hot
>>>grill for 30-40 seconds to sear the Hollandaise (I don't bother). One
>>>egg is a nice starter, two eggs make a substantial breakfast.
>>
>>Ok, here is a silly question for a Friday - what exactly is an English
>>muffin? I've never understood. Are we talking about something like a
>>crumpet, or a tea cake? Or something completely different?
>
>
>
> Muffins have gone out of favour in the UK,
Tell that to the people that live to the North East of Manchester.
Markets are full of them. My wife gets her fix of them every time she
goes to Oldham or Ashton markets. To my eyes, they all look the same,
but wife will reject, by eye, any that do not look right.
with the result that they
> are now most often found only in McDonald's breakfast menu! However,
> the popularity of the "English Muffin" at McDonalds means that you can
> also buy them at some supermarkets, notably Tesco.
Do Mc schmuck know what an english muffin looks like then?
Dave
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
I've encountered them a lot more in the US than in the England, but they
are available at Sainsbury's here!
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James Silverton
> Do Mc schmuck know what an english muffin looks like then?
I have some memories of toasting muffins or crumpets before an
open fire in Britain. However, I've really forgotten what is the
difference. "English Muffins", as sold in the US, are quite good
but they take a surprisingly long time to brown in a toaster.
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Richard Tobin
It's a name, like French Fries or Scotch Eggs, not a description.
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> "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>For a start, hollandaise is French (or Italian).
>
>
> The most powerful man in the world, the President of the United States
> of America, confidently stated that "the French don't even have a word
> for entrepreneur".
ROFL! Why am I not surprised? ;-)
>
Bruce
There's more:
"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in
the future.”
Bruce
>Do Mc schmuck know what an english muffin looks like then?
It is all accurately explained in the Wikipedia link that I provided,
which you have carefully deleted from your reply.
Had you read the Wikipedia article, there would be no need for you to
waste your time asking further questions.
Christina Websell
Oh, stop it! I have already sent your previous quote to my friend in
Germany to make her laugh, now I shall have to send this one too ;-)
He seems to have a degree of learning disability to me (to put it politely.)
Either that or he has early onset Alzheimers.
Is it true he never had a passport before he became President?
Bruce
>"Bruce" <n...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>> "Christina Websell" <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Bruce" <n...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>news:j31p24targ7k5c3if...@4ax.com...
>>>> "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>For a start, hollandaise is French (or Italian).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The most powerful man in the world, the President of the United States
>>>> of America, confidently stated that "the French don't even have a word
>>>> for entrepreneur".
>>>
>>>ROFL! Why am I not surprised? ;-)
>>
>>
>> There's more:
>>
>> "I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in
>> the future."
>>
>
>Oh, stop it! I have already sent your previous quote to my friend in
>Germany to make her laugh, now I shall have to send this one too ;-)
You should try Googling on George Bush quotes, John Kerry quotes, and
for some *real* howlers, Dan Quayle quotes:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/dan_quayle.html
>He seems to have a degree of learning disability to me (to put it politely.)
>Either that or he has early onset Alzheimers.
You're being too kind. I think he has advanced "Rich Kids Syndrome".
He never had any need to study hard, or work. So he didn't do either,
and he drank large quantities of alcohol instead
>Is it true he never had a passport before he became President?
That's often quoted. I don't know whether it is true, but George W
Bush is so supremely ignorant that most people would believe almost
anything derogatory that is said about him.
The Americans do seem to love ignorant Presidents. Reagan, Ford and
Bush Senior are prime examples. Al Gore might have won a sufficient
winning margin over Bush that would have made Florida's "hanging
chads" irrelevant, if only he hadn't been so intelligent. Gore's
intelligence did not go down well with white working class voters.
[Obama has the same problem. His intelligence is seen as more of a
threat to the white working class than his ethnic origins. So his
choice of running mate could be crucial. My money is on John Edwards,
who is well liked by the white working class and also brings the
Southern element that seems almost essential to electoral success.]
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
This one's a myth actually. (I'm no fan of Bush however.)
Mike......
> Ignore 2 because that's not an English muffin.
yes, i was trying to demonstrate the two types of muffin
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(*)) wrote:
> (I'm no fan of Bush however.)
Must...resist......must....resist..... ;-)
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
James Silverton
> "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
".
>>
>> For a start, hollandaise is French (or Italian).
> The most powerful man in the world, the President of the
> United Statesof America, confidently stated that "the French
> don't even have a wordfor entrepreneur.
Much as I would like to believe it, I'm afraid the story is an
urban legend and that includes the version with "entrepeneur".
I really hope someone will prove me wrong :-)
Dave
French fries define what we would call chips, but are about 1/3 of the
size our chips are. Hence the name is a description.
I have just done a google on English muffins and here is the link I used.
> http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/cg_muffins.htm
Until I read that, I never knew what the terminology meant.
Regards
Dave
Bruce
>
>"You ask me what of the future and I say look to the past" SuperMac 1959
But that was actually wise - along the lines of "Those who fail to
learn the lessons of history are destined to repeat its mistakes".
For example, anyone who thought that "New" Labour had genuinely
changed should compare the present economic mess with those created by
every previous Labour administration from 1945.
Bruce
> Bruce wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 19:45:31 +0100:
>
>> "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>".
>
>>>
>>> For a start, hollandaise is French (or Italian).
>
>> The most powerful man in the world, the President of the
>> United Statesof America, confidently stated that "the French
>> don't even have a wordfor entrepreneur.
>
>
>Much as I would like to believe it, I'm afraid the story is an
>urban legend and that includes the version with "entrepeneur".
>I really hope someone will prove me wrong :-)
No-one can prove you wrong. That's because the person who heard the
statement and the person to whom it was later reported it to would
both strenuously deny it, for reasons of their country's ongoing and
apparently vital relationship with the United States.
Bruce
Beware, it is still the opinion of one person, albeit probably shared
by at least some others. I strongly disagree with Marion Watson that
crumpets and pikelets are the same thing - they are made from the same
mix but a pikelet is a much thinner, flat version of the crumpet.
James Silverton
> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> "You ask me what of the future and I say look to the past"
>> SuperMac 1959
> But that was actually wise - along the lines of "Those who
> fail to learn the lessons of history are destined to repeat
> its mistakes".George Santayana, History
Yes, George Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past
are condemned to repeat it."
But he also said " History is a pack of lies about events that
never happened told by people who weren't there."
So take your pick!
Christina Websell
Myself, I prefer the monarchy system we have here. You can say what you
like about them but they are not such dorks as recent American presidents.
IMHO, of course.
Sacha
Websell" <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>>
>
> Myself, I prefer the monarchy system we have here. You can say what you
> like about them but they are not such dorks as recent American presidents.
> IMHO, of course.
>
I'm with you on that one. What I like about our system is that if the
absolutely worst happens we have some kind of back up against the dork who
*thinks* he's a President. ;-))
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CP
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Myself, I prefer the monarchy system we have here. You can say what you
> like about them but they are not such dorks as recent American presidents.
> IMHO, of course.
They're every bit as dysfunctional as any of the American presidents
and, worse still, you can't vote them out.
Christina Websell
"CP" <colinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a7a536d8-b41b-409b...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
In their private life, yes. Why would they not be, but they do have some
intelligence which seems to be lacking over the pond.
Giusi
news:C4552227.6D3EC%sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk...
Well, so do we, but we seem more apt to apply it if the fellow in question
has been having more sex than we have rather than if he sends thousand of
our children and foreign civilians to their deaths.
>
Sacha
<decob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
We're just as obsessed with others' sex lives this side of the pond. I
should think politicians should be grateful to the royal family because
their love lives appear more interesting than those of politicians and
feature more heavily in the papers. Mind you, the tasteful, tactful and
well bred Mrs Blair has cornered the market lately in discussions about
contraceptive 'equipment' and the accidental conception of her youngest
child. My, how he'll laugh merrily at that being told to the world. I'd
never make an agony aunt because I can't think of anything *more* boring
than others' sex lives!
--
Sacha
Jane Gillett
James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.not> wrote:
> Bruce wrote on Sat, 17 May 2008 19:50:15 +0100:
> > Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> "You ask me what of the future and I say look to the past"
> >> SuperMac 1959
> > But that was actually wise - along the lines of "Those who
> > fail to learn the lessons of history are destined to repeat
> > its mistakes".George Santayana, History
> Yes, George Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past
> are condemned to repeat it."
> But he also said " History is a pack of lies about events that
> never happened told by people who weren't there."
> So take your pick!
Quite. I'll choose both.
Cheers
Jane
--
Jane Gillett : j.gi...@higherstert.co.uk : Totnes, Devon.
Jane Gillett
Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
<snip>
> The Americans do seem to love ignorant Presidents.
That has come to my notice since the latest president started his "reign".
It could be because it would make them more useful puppets. It allows the
body of people who backed and put them into power to manipulate them more
effectively than if they had more thoughts of their own.
Jane
<snip>
Jane Gillett
I recommend a read of Elizabeth David's "English Bread and Yeast Cookery",
in particular her chapter on "Crumpets and Muffins" (page 341 in my book)
if you can manage to get hold of it.
Apart from a couple of comments about crumpet meaning "a piece of skirt"
and muffin as someone who agrees to be a female companion - "his muffin" -
she gives the wide range of contradictory meanings and recipes for these
two articles throughout the British Isles.
In my experience,what is called a "crumpet" in the South East is "Scotch
pancake" in the Midlands and that is representative of the field; and
neither is like what my mother used to make as "pikelets". I reckon
whatever name you choose there's a good chance you could find a recipe to
support it (and one to contradict it) somewhere in Britain.
Cheers
Jane
Jane Gillett
<a7a536d8-b41b-409b...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
I disagree; the Queen does her job extremely well as I see it. there are
possibly some members of her family who do not come up to her standard and
perhaps the numbers of her family who are actually "in the job" is a little
bigger than it needs to be - I don't know. Which "functions" do you think
they are "dysfunctional" in?
Jane Gillett
The most important thing about being a monarchy IMV is that it reminds the
govt that they are servants not rulers; the Monarch personifies the
population they are serving. In Upstairs-Downstairs terms, the Monarch (and
the population) is The Family and the Prime Minister is the Head Butler.
Cheers
jane
Ophelia
> In article <lpau24p253hj2odbv...@4ax.com>,
> Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> Dave <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>> Richard Tobin wrote:
>>>> In article <Fvydnd0gI9tmSbDV...@bt.com>,
>>>> Dave <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do Mc schmuck know what an english muffin looks like then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a name, like French Fries or Scotch Eggs, not a description.
>>>
>>> French fries define what we would call chips, but are about 1/3 of
>>> the size our chips are. Hence the name is a description.
>>>
>>> I have just done a google on English muffins and here is the link I
>>> used.
>>>
>>>> http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/cg_muffins.htm
>>>
>>> Until I read that, I never knew what the terminology meant.
>
>
>> Beware, it is still the opinion of one person, albeit probably shared
>> by at least some others. I strongly disagree with Marion Watson that
>> crumpets and pikelets are the same thing - they are made from the
>> same mix but a pikelet is a much thinner, flat version of the
>> crumpet.
>
> I recommend a read of Elizabeth David's "English Bread and Yeast
> Cookery", in particular her chapter on "Crumpets and Muffins" (page
> 341 in my book) if you can manage to get hold of it.
My favourite cookery (guisi excepted) writer and the book from which I
learned to make bread, many moons ago:))
Giusi
> In my experience,what is called a "crumpet" in the South East is "Scotch
> pancake" in the Midlands and that is representative of the field; and
> neither is like what my mother used to make as "pikelets". I reckon
> whatever name you choose there's a good chance you could find a recipe to
> support it (and one to contradict it) somewhere in Britain.
>
> Cheers
> Jane
And don't mak
--
http://www.judithgreenwood.come Eggs Benedict with any of them.
Giusi
--
http://www.judithgreenwood.com
"Ophelia" <Oph...@nix.co.uk> ha > My favourite cookery (guisi excepted)
Richard Tobin
Jane Gillett <j.gi...@higherstert.co.uk> wrote:
>The most important thing about being a monarchy IMV is that it reminds the
>govt that they are servants not rulers; the Monarch personifies the
>population they are serving.
I decline to be personified by a monarch.
-- Richard
--
:wq
CP
<spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "CP" <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
What has intelligence got to do with anything? After all, Hitler had
intelligence. It's wisdom and humanity that count, and you'll never
know whether the Windsors have either.
Richard Tobin
Jane Gillett <j.gi...@higherstert.co.uk> wrote:
>I disagree; the Queen does her job extremely well as I see it.
What job is it? Does it need to be done at all?
I'd vote to abolish the monarchy if it was replaced by nothing at all,
but we're unlikely ever to get that choice. If the alternative is a
president with any powers, then a powerless soap-opera monarchy held
in general contempt seems like the best choice.
-- Richard
--
:wq
CP
> In article <4fa152e5afj.gill...@higherstert.co.uk>,
> Jane Gillett <j.gill...@higherstert.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I disagree; the Queen does her job extremely well as I see it.
>
> What job is it? Does it need to be done at all?
Precisely. What function does it actually fulfill and what real,
meaningful purpose does it actually serve? I can understand the
cultural-anthropological reasons for the existence of monarchies, so I
don't need to be convinced about the psychological need that,
knowingly or otherwise, people have for objects of transference such
as kings and queens, but there are an awful lot of places that seem to
get along very well without. That's not saying that I'd be overly
enamoured of a presidential system, but we don't need an unelected
head of state to remind the government that they are servants: we can
do that - in theory at least - at the ballot box.
Bruce
>
>In my experience,what is called a "crumpet" in the South East is "Scotch
>pancake" in the Midlands and that is representative of the field; and
>neither is like what my mother used to make as "pikelets". I reckon
>whatever name you choose there's a good chance you could find a recipe to
>support it (and one to contradict it) somewhere in Britain.
Probably very true, in which case I will bow out of this particular
discussion. ;-)
Sacha
Tobin" <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
Nonetheless, the monarch is the embodiment of the populace and I'd rather a
monarch than a politician to do that. Monarchs can be impartial and if need
be, aloof; politicians by the very way in which they gain office have to be
self-serving to some extent and int he worse cases, to a large extent.
--
Sacha
Sacha
4a32a217-1b89-44e3...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "CP"
<colinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Tell them that in Zimbabwe.
--
Sacha
Richard Tobin
Sacha <sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>Nonetheless, the monarch is the embodiment of the populace
No, a monarch is a quaint remnant of barbaric days when they had
absolute power. Why on earth does the populace need to be embodied in
some person? We embody ourselves.
-- Richard
--
:wq
CP
That's precisely why I said 'in theory'.
CP
> On 18/5/08 11:49, in article g0p1jo$2vt...@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk, "Richard
>
> Tobin" <rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4fa1526bd3j.gill...@higherstert.co.uk>,
> > Jane Gillett <j.gill...@higherstert.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> The most important thing about being a monarchy IMV is that it reminds the
> >> govt that they are servants not rulers; the Monarch personifies the
> >> population they are serving.
>
> > I decline to be personified by a monarch.
>
> > -- Richard
>
> Nonetheless, the monarch is the embodiment of the populace
Does this embodiment actually serve any purpose? And if so, what? And
does this mean that in countries where monarchy is non-existent, the
populace are unembodied?
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
I agree- i.e. we 'embody' ourselves, but I'm not fussed one way or the
other over the monarchy. I don't think that getting rid of it tomorrow
would either improve our democracy, or the way we and others see us. I
think the monarchy is good for tourism though, and that's no bad thing.
I find it astonishing that in the recent royal wedding, the bride
apparently converted from catholicism in order to get married. i'm much
more concerned about the connection between church and state and
monarchy than I am about the monarchy itself.
--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins
CP
(*)) wrote:
> I agree- i.e. we 'embody' ourselves, but I'm not fussed one way or the
> other over the monarchy. I don't think that getting rid of it tomorrow
> would either improve our democracy, or the way we and others see us.
True enough: their existence or non-existence would have little impact
on the way we rule, or are ruled.
>I
> think the monarchy is good for tourism though, and that's no bad thing.
I think this whole 'monarchy is good for tourism' business stinks of
red herrings. I've never understood how it works. Do people actually
come here because we have a monarchy? I doubt it very much.
> I find it astonishing that in the recent royal wedding, the bride
> apparently converted from catholicism in order to get married. i'm much
> more concerned about the connection between church and state and
> monarchy than I am about the monarchy itself.
I would agree.
I'd also like to know how they actually got rid of Diana... ;-)
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> On May 18, 8:45 pm, d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
[]
> >I
> > think the monarchy is good for tourism though, and that's no bad thing.
>
> I think this whole 'monarchy is good for tourism' business stinks of
> red herrings. I've never understood how it works. Do people actually
> come here because we have a monarchy? I doubt it very much.
Royalty is certainly part of the draw for tourists in London, and that's
a major chunk of UK tourism. Buckingham Palace is not Versailles (on an
architectural level) yet thousands of tourists daily (in summer, anyway)
come and gawk at it. Would UK tourism plummet if the monarchy no longer
existed? Probably not, but it's a factor.
Sacha
Tobin" <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
I disagree. Too many don't or can't. Someone with no need to gain a
populist vote who IS the ultimate backstop is highly desirable, IMO.
--
Sacha
Sacha
208aea03-03fc-476e...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "CP"
<colinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
And when the theory becomes the practice instead of something the
intelligentsia discuss, the people are in trouble.
--
Sacha
Sacha
5674c523-61f7-4e86...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com, "CP"
<colinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I think it has a purpose as I've said elsewhere. It means they rely on
politicians. I'd rather not have to do so.
--
Sacha
Sacha
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor *" <d4g...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <C4561C3C.6D47D%sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk>,
>> Sacha <sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Nonetheless, the monarch is the embodiment of the populace
>>
>> No, a monarch is a quaint remnant of barbaric days when they had
>> absolute power. Why on earth does the populace need to be embodied in
>> some person? We embody ourselves.
>
> I agree- i.e. we 'embody' ourselves, but I'm not fussed one way or the
> other over the monarchy. I don't think that getting rid of it tomorrow
> would either improve our democracy, or the way we and others see us. I
> think the monarchy is good for tourism though, and that's no bad thing.
>
> I find it astonishing that in the recent royal wedding, the bride
> apparently converted from catholicism in order to get married. i'm much
> more concerned about the connection between church and state and
> monarchy than I am about the monarchy itself.
As to that, there is a theory I've read which I think explains this better.
I don't think Peter Phillips believes for one second he will ever succeed to
the throne. BUT it is quite possible that, as he is very close to his
cousin, the future King William, he will be asked to act as a Counsellor of
State. He couldn't do that if he was removed from the Succession. It's
only supposition of course, but my guess goes with that suggestion - he was
asked by the Queen, William and the Prince of Wales to remain in the line
for that reason and if his future wife agreed. I can't see Beatrice or
Eugenie being asked to take on such a role and the Earl of Essex's children
are just too small to be taken into that kind of consideration at the
moment. Peter Phillips is both a little older than William, a trusted
friend and cousin and a non-royal member of the royal family who could offer
a reliable shoulder to lean on, if need arise. That would give a King
William his brother and his cousin to assist him, to be relied upon to talk
straight and not to be sycophantic.
--
Sacha
Sacha
93a02875-bf16-4be9...@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com, "CP"
<colinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
That's easy. Divorce.
You'll have to watch the film Fayed has funded.
--
Sacha
Dave
As I wrote in an earlier post, it is time we sorted out the butlers
domain and brought his thinking round to ours. We employ him and we
should have a greater say in how they run _our_ country.
Dave
Dave
Do we?
At the moment, we are subservient to a non elected prime minister, who
thinks that he can suck all the cash out of your life.
Dave
Dave
After watching the 2 progs about the Queen's consort, I have a lot more
respect for what they have done in the background. He and Charles are
devoted to the environment and have done lots to keep it as it should
be. Name 2 politicians that have done as much work as they did.
Dave
Dave
> In article <4fa152e5a...@higherstert.co.uk>,
> Jane Gillett <j.gi...@higherstert.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>I disagree; the Queen does her job extremely well as I see it.
I couldn't agree more, but I do have a few doubts that she does not
argue with politicians a bit more. She is not stupid and has met many a
commoner in her time.
>
>
> What job is it? Does it need to be done at all?
She is the supreme commander of Great Britain. She has, at the stroke of
a pen, the veto of any political proposal, though I doubt she would do
that unless it was an emergency.
> I'd vote to abolish the monarchy if it was replaced by nothing at all,
So, you want to turn us into a dictator state, like North Korea?
Or even like the land that we knew as Burma. Many of our war dead died
out there because of a country that did not have a kingdom.
Dave
Sacha
<dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
You have a say and many of you voted in a government that was elected
partly on a promise to dismantle half your system of government but with no
clear indication or promise or commitment as to what they would do to
replace it, other than some woolly ideas that would 'give the people greater
say'. These have never transpired. And after ten years they *still* have
not found a way to form a second Chamber agreeable to all. People get the
government they deserve.
--
Sacha