Smoking. A question
Mike
""In my experience, smokers don't give a damn for non-smokers, and I'm
sick of being forced to inhale their second hand smoke. I'd ban it in
some open areas if I thought I could get away with it.""
DO smokers give a damn for non-smokers?
Interesting this statement has been make because I asked the same question
on another forum a while back.
Mike
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Malcolm Loades
<3d&6...@woolies.com> writes
>From another thread:-
>
>""In my experience, smokers don't give a damn for non-smokers, and I'm
>sick of being forced to inhale their second hand smoke. I'd ban it in
>some open areas if I thought I could get away with it.""
Unless you have a commercial type smoke room with a flue to the outside
it's impossible to smoke indoors. Most domestic smokers are stand alone
units and need to be outside so please don't try to ban me from using
one in my own back garden! Incidentally, I've never had a complaint
from my neighbours about the smoke.
>DO smokers give a damn for non-smokers?
Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone does not
appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come and enjoy the
results of my smoking!
Malcolm
Mike....
>>DO smokers give a damn for non-smokers?
>
> Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone does not
> appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come and enjoy the
> results of my smoking!
I dislike the smell of smoke (and health risks) and had to put up with it
for years, however I think we should be churchillian* in the defeat of
smoking in public places
* "in victory magniminity"
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"Mike....."(not "Mike")
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Giusi
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> Following up to Malcolm Loades
>
>>>DO smokers give a damn for non-smokers?
>>
>> Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone does not
>> appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come and enjoy the
>> results of my smoking!
>
> I dislike the smell of smoke (and health risks) and had to put up with it
> for years, however I think we should be churchillian* in the defeat of
> smoking in public places
All you sanctimonious whiners are making me wish I still smoked.
Giusi
"Anne Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> The message from "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
> I still do, and all the sanctimoniousness in the world won't make me stop!
>
> In an attempt to instill some modicum of topicality into this thread, we
> no longer go out to dine, since the smoking ban started in Scotland.
>
> I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
> on both of the original whinger!
>
> --
> AnneJ
You'll save enough money to pay for the blurry expensive fags!
Malcolm Loades
<decob...@yahoo.com> writes
Obviously, I was too subtle!
In an attempt to keep uk.food+drink.misc on topic I was referring to the
smoking of eel, chicken fish etc in my smoker in the garden:-)
Malcolm
PS It's now 14 months since I've had a cigarette and I'm still following
anyone who's smoking around so that I can at least smell it. One day
I'll be able to give up passive smoking as well!
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message from "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
> I still do, and all the sanctimoniousness in the world won't make me stop!
>
> In an attempt to instill some modicum of topicality into this thread, we
> no longer go out to dine, since the smoking ban started in Scotland.
Well, that's a result, I'd say. No one wants to have ash flicked on the
tablecloth.
Next time you light up mid-meal, put a large plastic bag around your
head, and keep smoking and eating. It will give you a little sense of
what sanctimonious whiners have been going on about all these years.
> I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
> on both of the original whinger!
That's more than a little nasty, but statistically, your smoke will have
a far greater chance of having a dire effect on you. HTH.
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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
graham
"Anne Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
> on both of the original whinger!
>
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
Yeah, but it's a good reminder why nobody gives a shit about nicotine
addicts.
Anne Chambers
>
> Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone does not
> appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come and enjoy the
> results of my smoking!
>
> Malcolm
I take it you're not referring to tobacco ? ;) I got interested in
smoking food some time ago - it was good fun and some of the results
weren't bad.
--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com
Christina Websell
>
> In an attempt to instill some modicum of topicality into this thread, we
> no longer go out to dine, since the smoking ban started in Scotland.
>
> on both of the original whinger!
>
Ah, but, those who do not smoke need to worry. It's the thin end of the
wedge, soon we will have doughnut patrols in our workplaces to make sure
those who are obese cannot eat cakes.
My employer (council) has started a stair-climbing club which they would
like us to do in our lunch hour.
Needless to say, I won't be joining it.
Tina
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message from d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*))
> contains these words:
> > Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > The message from "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
> > > > "Mike...." <mikeysc...@freedomnames.co.uk> ha scritto:
> > > > > Following up to Malcolm Loades
> > > > >
> > > > >>>DO smokers give a damn for non-smokers?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone
> > > > >> does not appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come
> > > > >> and enjoy the results of my smoking!
> > > > >
> > > > > I dislike the smell of smoke (and health risks) and had to put up
> > > > > with it for years, however I think we should be churchillian* in
> > > > > the defeat of smoking in public places
> > >
> > > > All you sanctimonious whiners are making me wish I still smoked.
> > >
> > > I still do, and all the sanctimoniousness in the world won't make me stop!
> > >
> > > In an attempt to instill some modicum of topicality into this thread, we
> > > no longer go out to dine, since the smoking ban started in Scotland.
>
> > Well, that's a result, I'd say. No one wants to have ash flicked on the
> > tablecloth.
>
> > Next time you light up mid-meal, put a large plastic bag around your
> > head, and keep smoking and eating. It will give you a little sense of
> > what sanctimonious whiners have been going on about all these years.
>
> > > I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
> > > on both of the original whinger!
>
> > That's more than a little nasty, but statistically, your smoke will have
> > a far greater chance of having a dire effect on you. HTH.
>
> Of course it will, but I have no great wish for immortality.
Funnily enough, we will all die, so that's not the point.
> I'd prefer
> to shuffle off this mortal coil while my brain still works. YMMV.
Alas, fate didn't grant you that wish. My condolences.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
[]
> I never did discover what forced non smokers to come into my restaurant,
> maybe it was some kind of addiction.
Lack of choice. It ain't rocket science.
Christina Websell
"Waldo Centini" <"waldocentini[NOSPAM]"@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Op Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:13:18 +0100 frommelde Anne Jackson in :
>
>> I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
>> on both of the original whinger!
>
> you hospitalbed, on your way to you last breath.
And don't expect any, either, if you've lived a really healthy life and find
yourself lying in hospital dying of "nothing" FFS.
We will all die of "something" and I object to being told what I can and
cannot do.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> It won't bother me, because I don't drink, but I
> may have to start, since I _so_ dislike being told what I may or may not
> do in the interests of _my_ health!
Smoking was never about your health. If you smoked yourself to death in
a cave I wouldn't give a monkeys. Just don't light up next to me thanks.
You stink, and it gets up my nose.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
I object to being told when I can and can't breathe in your stinking
smoke. That's why smoking bans are so popular, and you find yourself
smoking in the rain.
Richard Dixon
news:1ifo6xf.g4e1jr1y013n3N%d4g...@yahoo.co.uk:
> That's why smoking bans are so popular, and you find yourself
> smoking in the rain.
LOL ! Very good. The entire train of emails here *suggest* that the average
smoker doesn't really care about the risk transmitted on to others in a
shared social space. Just my take on it.
Richard
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message from (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) contains these words:
> > Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > The message from (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) contains these words:
> > > > Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
> > > > > on both of the original whinger!
> > >
> > > > That's more than a little nasty, but statistically, your smoke
> > > > will have a far greater chance of having a dire effect on you. HTH.
> > >
> > > Of course it will, but I have no great wish for immortality.
>
> > Funnily enough, we will all die, so that's not the point.
>
> Of course it's the point! It's *my* point anyhow!!
Oh. You have a point? I'll remember that.
> > > I'd prefer to shuffle off this mortal coil while my brain still works.
> > > YMMV.
>
> > Alas, fate didn't grant you that wish. My condolences.
>
> That was more than a little nasty, but I can assure you that
> my brain does all that I require of it - and more!
Well, there's nothing like low expectations.
> Would that everyone was as successful and as happy as I am.
Ah. The "I took my family on a cruise this year" is -----> that way...
HTH.
John
chancellor wrote:
> I object to being told when I can and can't breathe in your stinking
> smoke.
I object to the dirty, filthy, homosexual "way of life" being preached
(forced upon) as if were 'normal' to my children at school.
Homosexuals are major carriers and spreaders of AIDS and hepatitis, but I'm
sure you're more than happy to have them educated in your depraved "way of
life" because you fags like 'em young, don't you?
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message from d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*))
> contains these words:
> > Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > It won't bother me, because I don't drink, but I
> > > may have to start, since I _so_ dislike being told what I may or may not
> > > do in the interests of _my_ health!
>
> > Smoking was never about your health. If you smoked yourself to death in
> > a cave I wouldn't give a monkeys. Just don't light up next to me thanks.
> > You stink, and it gets up my nose.
>
> That evokes only one response - tough shit! Live with it.
That's the point. I don't have to any longer. Cheers!
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message from d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*))
> contains these words:
>
> > > Would that everyone was as successful and as happy as I am.
>
> > Ah. The "I took my family on a cruise this year" is ---> that way...
> > HTH.
>
> No, I didn't; I would never take my family on a cruise, you never
> know who you'd be rubbing shoulders with - but I did buy a company,
> and we made a 'very acceptable' profit in our first year of trading...
> That's enough to make me happy.
<woosh>
Mike
"Anne Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message from d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*))
> contains these words:
>> Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > It won't bother me, because I don't drink, but I
>> > may have to start, since I _so_ dislike being told what I may or may
>> > not
>> > do in the interests of _my_ health!
>
>> Smoking was never about your health. If you smoked yourself to death in
>> a cave I wouldn't give a monkeys. Just don't light up next to me thanks.
>> You stink, and it gets up my nose.
>
> That evokes only one response - tough shit! Live with it.
>
Which brings us back to the original question :
...............................................................................................
From another thread:-
""In my experience, smokers don't give a damn for non-smokers, and I'm
sick of being forced to inhale their second hand smoke. I'd ban it in
some open areas if I thought I could get away with it.""
DO smokers give a damn for non-smokers?
Interesting this statement has been make because I asked the same question
on another forum a while back.
...............................................................................................
And the answer is a resounding """NO"""
Same result last time!
Mike
--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:35:49 +0100, d4g...@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
> chancellor wrote:
>
> > I object to being told when I can and can't breathe in your stinking
> > smoke.
>
> I object to the dirty, filthy, homosexual "way of life" being preached
> (forced upon) as if were 'normal' to my children at school.
Your children? That's a surprise, given you don't have any balls.
Wayne Boatwright
> The message from "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
>> "Mike...." <mikeysc...@freedomnames.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:30po05cjzq1j$.18qf2e5aa9s6r$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> > Following up to Malcolm Loades
>> >
>> >>>DO smokers give a damn for non-smokers?
>> >>
>> >> Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone does
>> >> not appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come and enjoy
>> >> the results of my smoking!
>> >
>> > I dislike the smell of smoke (and health risks) and had to put up
>> > with it for years, however I think we should be churchillian* in the
>> > defeat of smoking in public places
>
>> All you sanctimonious whiners are making me wish I still smoked.
>
> I still do, and all the sanctimoniousness in the world won't make me
> stop!
>
> In an attempt to instill some modicum of topicality into this thread, we
> no longer go out to dine, since the smoking ban started in Scotland.
>
> I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
> on both of the original whinger!
>
Turning the tables, there are damned few non-smokers who have even the
slightest respect for those who smoke.
A story on point... Several years ago my friend and I were standing
outdoors, about 25 feet from the entry to a furniture store. A man and two
women pulled into a parking space directly in front of the entry and began
making their way to the door when they noticed us. They walked over and
cursed us for smoking "near the door". Needless to say, we told the
bastards where to get off.
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"Anne Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message from Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com>
> contains these words:
>
>> Turning the tables, there are damned few non-smokers who have even
>> the slightest respect for those who smoke.
>
>> A story on point... Several years ago my friend and I were standing
>> outdoors, about 25 feet from the entry to a furniture store. A man
>> and two women pulled into a parking space directly in front of the
>> entry and began making their way to the door when they noticed us.
>> They walked over and cursed us for smoking "near the door". Needless
>> to say, we told the bastards where to get off.
>
> We smokers are scum, apparently - didn't you know?
>
> --
> AnneJ
>
If you feel that way OK, but I don't think I would go to such a derogatory
statement. I just use the expression 'inconsiderate' with respect to others.
Kind regards
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message from d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*))
> contains these words:
> > Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > The message from d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*))
> > > contains these words:
> > > > Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > It won't bother me, because I don't drink, but I
> > > > > may have to start, since I _so_ dislike being told what
> > > > > I may or may not do in the interests of _my_ health!
> > >
> > > > Smoking was never about your health. If you smoked yourself
> > > > to death in a cave I wouldn't give a monkeys. Just don't light
> > > > up next to me thanks. You stink, and it gets up my nose.
> > >
> > > That evokes only one response - tough shit! Live with it.
>
> > That's the point. I don't have to any longer. Cheers!
>
> I can still have a smile at the thought of you struggling through
> the cloud of smoke emitted by the smokers forced to stand outside,
> on the pavement, as you enter your favourite restaurant, though! <G>
Quite rare IME, but if that makes you smile, go for it.
> Then there's all the cafes, bars and restaurants forced to close
> because of the fall in the number of customers. It has happened up
> here, and since we had the smoking ban for a year before England...
The establishments here are busier than ever.
Malcolm Loades
<an...@privacy.net> writes
>Malcolm Loades wrote:
>
>> Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone does
>>not appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come and enjoy
>>the results of my smoking!
>
>I take it you're not referring to tobacco ? ;) I got interested in
>smoking food some time ago - it was good fun and some of the results
>weren't bad.
>
At last someone has noticed :-)
I was attempting to make the point that this is uk.food+drink.misc so
anything other than smoking food would be so off-topic as not to be even
considered. I thought I'd failed totally. I have a hot smoker which I
use in the garden for whole chicken etc. but what I really want to build
is a cold smoker. Anyone built one at home?
Malcolm
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> In message <66v8r7F...@mid.individual.net>, Anne Chambers
> <an...@privacy.net> writes
> >Malcolm Loades wrote:
> >
> >> Well I do! Enjoying the results of smoking while being alone does
> >>not appeal to me. I usually invite friends round to come and enjoy
> >>the results of my smoking!
> >> Malcolm
> >
> >I take it you're not referring to tobacco ? ;) I got interested in
> >smoking food some time ago - it was good fun and some of the results
> >weren't bad.
> >
> At last someone has noticed :-)
>
> I was attempting to make the point that this is uk.food+drink.misc so
> anything other than smoking food would be so off-topic as not to be even
> considered.
Not really, as smoking can affect the dining experience for some. Before
the smoking ban in the UK, it was the main deciding factors in choosing
where to eat. Obviously not the only one- I wouldn't go to McD's for
example! :)
Giusi
>> > All you sanctimonious whiners are making me wish I still smoked.
>
> Next time you light up mid-meal, put a large plastic bag around your
> head, and keep smoking and eating. It will give you a little sense of
> what sanctimonious whiners have been going on about all these years.
The only time being in a smoking atmosphere has been as severe as that is on
a train smoking car. Most of us gave no resistance to separation, and then
none to making interiors smokefree. It's when you start talking about
forbidding smoking outside that you sound like a whiner. Get over yourself.
We've given you all the space there is in clubs, restaurants, airports, etc.
etc. etc. In one county in the US someone was sued for smoking in his own
home and had to pay damages to an unwelcome guest. It's become ridiculous.
There's no way every smoker is going to die fast enough for you, but many of
us have given it a try.
Malcolm Loades
_the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Malcolm Loades <dev...@spam-trap.org.uk> wrote:
>> I was attempting to make the point that this is uk.food+drink.misc so
>> anything other than smoking food would be so off-topic as not to be even
>> considered.
>
>Not really, as smoking can affect the dining experience for some. Before
>the smoking ban in the UK, it was the main deciding factors in choosing
>where to eat. Obviously not the only one- I wouldn't go to McD's for
>example! :)
With that sort of logic *anything* can have a case put around it
claiming to make it on-topic here :-(
But I'm not looking for an argument (they arise only too easily here).
I tried to be slightly amusing. I failed. Sans fairy ann.
Malcolm
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g...@yahoo.co.uk> ha scritto nel
>
> >> > All you sanctimonious whiners are making me wish I still smoked.
> >
> > Next time you light up mid-meal, put a large plastic bag around your
> > head, and keep smoking and eating. It will give you a little sense of
> > what sanctimonious whiners have been going on about all these years.
>
> The only time being in a smoking atmosphere has been as severe as that is on
> a train smoking car.
For you, maybe. Try eating in a crowded cramped Parisian bistro with
chainsmokers on all sides. it's disgusting.
> Most of us gave no resistance to separation, and then
> none to making interiors smokefree.
Not quite. When Virgin trains here in the UK banned smoking on their
trains, the toilets would stink of it, and they were often 'engaged' as
a result. I was on a rail journey in Portugal recently where smokers had
the same idea- it was quite unpleasant. IME, smokers are always dragged
kicking and screaming into any kind of legislation, and will break the
law whenever they think they'll get away with it. It's forbidden to
smoke in any public area in my apartment complex, but I'll still
occasionally smell smoke in the elevators, and a couple of times in the
hallways. The former leader of the Lib Dem party was recently 'busted'
for doing this on a train. He thought it didn't matter if he blew smoke
out of an open window in the vestibule. Then there's all the bloody fag
butts all over the streets. It's almost as bad as people throwing away
gum.
> It's when you start talking about
> forbidding smoking outside that you sound like a whiner.
I think there are plenty of places where it would be a good idea (e.g.
bus stops), and I don't care how I sound.
> Get over yourself.
> We've given you all the space there is in clubs, restaurants, airports, etc.
> etc. etc.
Not everywhere. Most countries in the world have very liberal laws- most
of the EU still does in fact.
> In one county in the US someone was sued for smoking in his own
> home and had to pay damages to an unwelcome guest. It's become ridiculous.
That certainly sounds ridiculous, though as someone who was raised in a
fairly small house with two chainsmoking parents who smoked anywhere,
and anytime, I'd say that smoking 'at home' is not entirely harmless.
Indeed, I found it mildly abusive.
Wayne Boatwright
> The message from Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com>
> contains these words:
>
>> Turning the tables, there are damned few non-smokers who have even
>> the slightest respect for those who smoke.
>
>> A story on point... Several years ago my friend and I were standing
>> outdoors, about 25 feet from the entry to a furniture store. A man
>> and two women pulled into a parking space directly in front of the
>> entry and began making their way to the door when they noticed us.
>> They walked over and cursed us for smoking "near the door". Needless
>> to say, we told the bastards where to get off.
>
> We smokers are scum, apparently - didn't you know?
>
Apparently a lot of people think so.
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>
>
> "Anne Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...
>> The message from Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com>
>> contains these words:
>>
>>> Turning the tables, there are damned few non-smokers who have even
>>> the slightest respect for those who smoke.
>>
>>> A story on point... Several years ago my friend and I were standing
>>> outdoors, about 25 feet from the entry to a furniture store. A man
>>> and two women pulled into a parking space directly in front of the
>>> entry and began making their way to the door when they noticed us.
>>> They walked over and cursed us for smoking "near the door". Needless
>>> to say, we told the bastards where to get off.
>>
>> We smokers are scum, apparently - didn't you know?
>>
>> --
>> AnneJ
>>
>
> If you feel that way OK, but I don't think I would go to such a
> derogatory statement. I just use the expression 'inconsiderate' with
> respect to others.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Mike
I don't feel that way, but I also don't think one should generalize that
all smokers are inconsiderate. I'm very careful about where and when I
smoke. Even outdoors, I try to maintain an "assured clear distance" from
people who are not smokers. I smoke in my car, but not when non-smoking
passengers are riding with me. Yes, I know that my car probably smells
"smokey", but it's their choice to ride or not.
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Wayne Boatwright
Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or leaving it
if my smoking bothers them. It's not as though I've chained them to a
chair and blown smoke in their face.
Everyone I know knows that I smoke, and they can deal with it in any way
they see fit, just as I wouldn't even think of smoking in their home or
car.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Ophelia
Sans fairy ann.
I haven't heard that since I was a child:)) I still don't know what it
means:)
James Silverton
O> Malcolm Loades wrote:
O> Sans fairy ann.
O> I haven't heard that since I was a child:)) I still don't
know
O> what it means:)
C'est ne fait rien! WWI soldiers' expression for "That's
nothing"
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
Mike
>
> Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or leaving it
> if my smoking bothers them. It's not as though I've chained them to a
> chair and blown smoke in their face.
>
> Everyone I know knows that I smoke, and they can deal with it in any way
> they see fit, just as I wouldn't even think of smoking in their home or
> car.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
Wayne that is fine by me and what I regard as considerate.
However, let me put a scenario to you. Not far from my home is the Cliff
Walk. A very pleasant walk overlooking the sea. There are park bench type
seats there. I sit down to take the Morning/Afternoon air. These seats are
public and quite rightly, you come along and sit at the other end, also to
take in the view and to have a cigarette. Your smoke is blowing my way. Your
smoke is annoying my wife and her breathing problem. Slight, not severe
Asthma. It is also annoying me, I/We sat down to get fresh air.
Your comments please and those of any other smokers who may be tuned in.
Me leave? Why? There was no problem when we sat down.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 10:14:53a, *) told us...
[]
> > That certainly sounds ridiculous, though as someone who was raised in a
> > fairly small house with two chainsmoking parents who smoked anywhere,
> > and anytime, I'd say that smoking 'at home' is not entirely harmless.
> > Indeed, I found it mildly abusive.
> >
>
> Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or leaving it
> if my smoking bothers them.
Exactly. There's no problem there, but children don't always have the
same kinds of choices as adults. I also think it's fair that if, say,
health workers are visiting people in their homes, that the people
receiving the services at least refrain from smoking when the health
visitor is there.
Ophelia
> Ophelia wrote on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:37:04 +0100:
>
>> Sans fairy ann.
>
>
> C'est ne fait rien! WWI soldiers' expression for "That's
> nothing"
Thank you, James :)
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> >
> > Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or leaving it
> > if my smoking bothers them. It's not as though I've chained them to a
> > chair and blown smoke in their face.
> >
> > Everyone I know knows that I smoke, and they can deal with it in any way
> > they see fit, just as I wouldn't even think of smoking in their home or
> > car.
> >
> > --
> > Wayne Boatwright
>
> Wayne that is fine by me and what I regard as considerate.
>
> However, let me put a scenario to you. Not far from my home is the Cliff
> Walk. A very pleasant walk overlooking the sea. There are park bench type
> seats there. I sit down to take the Morning/Afternoon air. These seats are
> public and quite rightly, you come along and sit at the other end, also to
> take in the view and to have a cigarette. Your smoke is blowing my way. Your
> smoke is annoying my wife and her breathing problem. Slight, not severe
> Asthma. It is also annoying me, I/We sat down to get fresh air.
My neighbour smokes in his apartment, and the smell wafts into the
corridor. I open the windows in the corridor (there's good cross
ventilation) so the smell usually dissipates. If it wafted into my
apartment, then I'd put that down to a design problem. I don't like it,
but I wouldn't mention anything to him about it. He is quiet, which is a
far more important requirement for me in a neighbour...
The building manager sometimes smokes in his office, which is illegal.
Again, I wouldn't say anything about it (he's very nice, and helpful)
but given there are 180 apartments in the complex, I imagine someone
might at some point...
One 'problem' of smoking bans I find is that you get so used to clean
air, that when you're in a country without similar legislation, it's all
the worse. I was in a non-smoking part of a Segovian restaurant recently
that just stunk of stale smoke. Very unpleasant.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message <671ao9F...@mid.individual.net>
> from "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
[]
> It's when you start talking about
> > forbidding smoking outside that you sound like a whiner.
>
> ? Has anyone done so?
I have. I think any bus shelter should be included, because if it's
raining you don't have any choice to be in the same space as a smoker.
While I'm not sure that there's any point in having a law about it, I've
found that separate non and smoking areas outside restaurants are very
civilised. Certainly worked nicely in Riga when I was there...
As for smoking on the street, nothing I can do about that, and short of
banning smoking entirely, unworkable. I frequently avoid or overtake
smokers on the street if its blowing my direction, but I see that as
good exercise. I don't support a ban on smoking in any case. I think
people should be free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't
infringe on the rights of other people. Smoking stinks, is unhealthy
when consumed 2nd hand and gets up many peoples' noses- so banning it in
public spaces is a no-brainer really.
> > We've given you all the space there is in clubs, restaurants,
> > airports, etc.
> > etc. etc.
>
> You haven't " given" us anything; smoking proponents fought the
> legislation and lost. Now smokers are experiencing the same blanket, no
> choice, put up and shut up conditions that nonsmokers here have endured
> for decades.
Exactly.
Worth remembering that as Giusi is in Italy, they don't actually have a
blanket ban there, as they do in the UK for example. It's just that the
'separate' space is so hard for most bars and restaurants to engineer
that most haven't bothered. Which in a way proves the point about how
pervasive cigarette smoke actually is. The pissing in the pool analogy
comes to mind...
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> The message from d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*))
> contains these words:
> > Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun 20 Apr 2008 10:14:53a, *) told us...
> > []
> > > > That certainly sounds ridiculous, though as someone who was raised in
> > > > a fairly small house with two chainsmoking parents who smoked anywhere,
> > > > and anytime, I'd say that smoking 'at home' is not entirely harmless.
> > > > Indeed, I found it mildly abusive.
> > >
> > > Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or
> > > leaving it if my smoking bothers them.
>
> > Exactly. There's no problem there, but children don't always have the
> > same kinds of choices as adults. I also think it's fair that if, say,
> > health workers are visiting people in their homes, that the people
> > receiving the services at least refrain from smoking when the health
> > visitor is there.
>
> But they do better than that! In Perth, at least, if a council workman
> is coming to your house to do some repairs (I am reliably informed) you
> are warned not to smoke in your house for an hour before their expected
> arrival!
Good idea.
> Have you ever known a council worker to be on time? I haven't...
So, you have to go without a fag for an extra hour or so. Big deal. Pity
the law doesn't extend to private contractors coming around to people's
houses.
Wayne Boatwright
>
>
>>
>> Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or leaving
>> it if my smoking bothers them. It's not as though I've chained them to
>> a chair and blown smoke in their face.
>>
>> Everyone I know knows that I smoke, and they can deal with it in any
>> way they see fit, just as I wouldn't even think of smoking in their
>> home or car.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> Wayne that is fine by me and what I regard as considerate.
>
> However, let me put a scenario to you. Not far from my home is the Cliff
> Walk. A very pleasant walk overlooking the sea. There are park bench
> type seats there. I sit down to take the Morning/Afternoon air. These
> seats are public and quite rightly, you come along and sit at the other
> end, also to take in the view and to have a cigarette. Your smoke is
> blowing my way. Your smoke is annoying my wife and her breathing
> problem. Slight, not severe Asthma. It is also annoying me, I/We sat
> down to get fresh air.
>
> Your comments please and those of any other smokers who may be tuned in.
>
> Me leave? Why? There was no problem when we sat down.
>
> Mike
>
>
If you sat first and I came by afterwards, I'd either keep going or not
smoke. If I sat first and you came by, then you'd need to choose whether
to sit or not. I view that rather like "first come, first served".
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright
Even as a smoker, I truly understand that. There is a total smoking ban in
our city, with the exception of a very few restaurants that were
grandfathered in because they already had completely separate, closed-off
and filtered ventilated facilities for smokers. We decided to go to one of
the steakhouses so outfitted. When we were seated in the smoking room the
concentration (despite the ventilation) was so pervasive that we had to
leave. It was horrific.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 10:14:53a, *) told us... []
>> > That certainly sounds ridiculous, though as someone who was raised in
a
>> > fairly small house with two chainsmoking parents who smoked anywhere,
>> > and anytime, I'd say that smoking 'at home' is not entirely harmless.
>> > Indeed, I found it mildly abusive.
>> >
>>
>> Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or leaving
it
>> if my smoking bothers them.
>
> Exactly. There's no problem there, but children don't always have the
> same kinds of choices as adults. I also think it's fair that if, say,
> health workers are visiting people in their homes, that the people
> receiving the services at least refrain from smoking when the health
> visitor is there.
>
I can't disagree, but I have no children, and luckily do not yet require
the service of health workers. Point well taken, however.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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They say the wages of sin are death,
but after they take out taxes, all
that's left is a tired feeling.
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 10:54:17a, *) told us...
>
> > Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 10:14:53a, *) told us... []
> >> > That certainly sounds ridiculous, though as someone who was raised in
> a
> >> > fairly small house with two chainsmoking parents who smoked anywhere,
> >> > and anytime, I'd say that smoking 'at home' is not entirely harmless.
> >> > Indeed, I found it mildly abusive.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or leaving
> it
> >> if my smoking bothers them.
> >
> > Exactly. There's no problem there, but children don't always have the
> > same kinds of choices as adults. I also think it's fair that if, say,
> > health workers are visiting people in their homes, that the people
> > receiving the services at least refrain from smoking when the health
> > visitor is there.
> >
>
> I can't disagree, but I have no children, and luckily do not yet require
> the service of health workers. Point well taken, however.
I have to say, based on your posts, if all smokers were as considerate
as you, I don't think you'd see as much anti-smoker antagonism as you
do! I'm serious... I've got a feeling you probably bin your cigarette
butts too! :)
Wayne Boatwright
More's the pity that anyone ever discovered that smoking was a "health
hazard". Life was much simpler before that and death rates have not
appeared to decrease since then.
--
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clean kitty litter and spread it on
the floor.
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 12:28:37p, *) told us...
[]
> > So, you have to go without a fag for an extra hour or so. Big deal. Pity
> > the law doesn't extend to private contractors coming around to people's
> > houses.
> >
>
> More's the pity that anyone ever discovered that smoking was a "health
> hazard". Life was much simpler before that and death rates have not
> appeared to decrease since then.
People are living longer for many reasons, but smokers die a lot younger
than non-smokers. Of course, there are other factors involved, but the
stats are compelling.
Have a read of this, from a pro-smoking (I assume) organisation. The
term nit-picking comes to mind....
http://www.forces.org/evidence/carol/carol8.htm
Wayne Boatwright
> The message <671ao9F...@mid.individual.net>
> from "Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> contains these words:
>> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g...@yahoo.co.uk> ha scritto nel
>
>> >> > All you sanctimonious whiners are making me wish I still smoked.
>> >
>> > Next time you light up mid-meal, put a large plastic bag around your
>> > head, and keep smoking and eating. It will give you a little sense of
>> > what sanctimonious whiners have been going on about all these years.
>
>> The only time being in a smoking atmosphere has been as severe as that
>> is on
>> a train smoking car.
>
> That may be true in Italy but it most certainly was not in the UK.
>
> It's when you start talking about
>> forbidding smoking outside that you sound like a whiner.
>
> ? Has anyone done so?
>
>> We've given you all the space there is in clubs, restaurants,
>> airports, etc. etc. etc.
>
> You haven't " given" us anything; smoking proponents fought the
> legislation and lost. Now smokers are experiencing the same blanket, no
> choice, put up and shut up conditions that nonsmokers here have endured
> for decades. At least nobody will die of it, so quit whining.
>
> Janet
>
> Janet
>
There is a significant number of people who die from lung cancer who have
never smoked nor, according to articles I've read, were particularly
exposed to second hand smoke. Death rates from supposedly "smoking related
causes" have not diminished appreciably.
It seems to be whoever happens to be on the bandwagon at the time who
manages to win, be the issue true or false or right or wrong. Banded
together, virtually any faction can win if the numbers are right. Smokers
just happen to be in the minority. Minorities of any ilk rarely "win"
anything.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
[]
> There is a significant number of people who die from lung cancer who have
> never smoked nor, according to articles I've read, were particularly
> exposed to second hand smoke. Death rates from supposedly "smoking related
> causes" have not diminished appreciably.
My ex was an oncologist in the US- now a hematologist. He wasn't
particularly anti-smoking. Indeed, he said it was an effective aid to
ease constipation! I remember him citing a statistic that only 10% of
smokers die from lung cancer. However, 90% of people who die from lung
cancer are smokers.
If you search statistics, you'll get similar figures, though the first
one I found said 90% for men, 80% for women.
Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 10:54:17a, *) told us...
>>
>> > Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 10:14:53a, *) told us... []
>> >> > That certainly sounds ridiculous, though as someone who was raised
in
>> >> > a fairly small house with two chainsmoking parents who smoked
>> >> > anywhere, and anytime, I'd say that smoking 'at home' is not
entirely
>> >> > harmless. Indeed, I found it mildly abusive.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Non-smokers have either the option of never entering my home or
leaving
>> >> it if my smoking bothers them.
>> >
>> > Exactly. There's no problem there, but children don't always have the
>> > same kinds of choices as adults. I also think it's fair that if, say,
>> > health workers are visiting people in their homes, that the people
>> > receiving the services at least refrain from smoking when the health
>> > visitor is there.
>> >
>>
>> I can't disagree, but I have no children, and luckily do not yet require
>> the service of health workers. Point well taken, however.
>
> I have to say, based on your posts, if all smokers were as considerate
> as you, I don't think you'd see as much anti-smoker antagonism as you
> do! I'm serious... I've got a feeling you probably bin your cigarette
> butts too! :)
>
Thank you. And, yes, I never toss a butt.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 12:28:37p, *) told us... []
>> > So, you have to go without a fag for an extra hour or so. Big deal.
Pity
>> > the law doesn't extend to private contractors coming around to
people's
>> > houses.
>> >
>>
>> More's the pity that anyone ever discovered that smoking was a "health
>> hazard". Life was much simpler before that and death rates have not
>> appeared to decrease since then.
>
> People are living longer for many reasons, but smokers die a lot younger
> than non-smokers. Of course, there are other factors involved, but the
> stats are compelling.
>
> Have a read of this, from a pro-smoking (I assume) organisation. The
> term nit-picking comes to mind....
>
> http://www.forces.org/evidence/carol/carol8.htm
>
I did read this, in detail. However, both sides nit-pick. Studies and
statistics, regardless of source faction, or perceived or unperceived bias,
are generally inaccurate and unreliable.
There is rarely, if ever, an issue about anything where this isn't true. I
take everything with a grain or two of salt.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
[]
> You know, it's people with attitudes like yours that make smokers more
> entrenched in their determination to smoke where and when they want!
No. Smokers like you are entrenched already, and do that very well
without me. Would that more smokers were like Wayne, and there would
probably be less problems.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
[]
> I did read this, in detail. However, both sides nit-pick. Studies and
> statistics, regardless of source faction, or perceived or unperceived bias,
> are generally inaccurate and unreliable.
>
> There is rarely, if ever, an issue about anything where this isn't true. I
> take everything with a grain or two of salt.
The link between smoking and lung cancer is well proven however. No
serious person in the medical profession debates that any longer.
Wayne Boatwright
> The message from Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com>
> contains these words:
>
>> If you sat first and I came by afterwards, I'd either keep going or not
>> smoke. If I sat first and you came by, then you'd need to choose
whether
>> to sit or not. I view that rather like "first come, first served".
>
> Wouldn't someone who is so conscious of another's smoke be sensible
> enough to sit on the 'up-wind' end of the seat, since they were there
> first? That way, no-one's smoke could blow in their direction!
>
> Of course, I'm talking about _sensible_ people.
>
There seem to fewer of them these days, Anne.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>
> []
>> I did read this, in detail. However, both sides nit-pick. Studies and
>> statistics, regardless of source faction, or perceived or unperceived
>> bias, are generally inaccurate and unreliable.
>>
>> There is rarely, if ever, an issue about anything where this isn't
>> true. I take everything with a grain or two of salt.
>
> The link between smoking and lung cancer is well proven however. No
> serious person in the medical profession debates that any longer.
>
I suppose that's true enough. My doctor always asks me when I'm going to
quit smoking. Perhaps it's just that I don't want to know. I've been
smoking for 50 years. The thought of quitting is not something I can
easily embrace.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright
> The message <Xns9A868D0ED8BEEwa...@69.28.173.184>
> from Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> contains these
> words:
>
>> On Sun 20 Apr 2008 11:09:01a, Janet Baraclough told us...
>
>> > You haven't " given" us anything; smoking proponents fought the
>> > legislation and lost. Now smokers are experiencing the same blanket,
>> > no choice, put up and shut up conditions that nonsmokers here have
>> > endured for decades. At least nobody will die of it, so quit whining.
>> >
>> > Janet
>
>> There is a significant number of people who die from lung cancer who
>> have never smoked nor, according to articles I've read, were
>> particularly exposed to second hand smoke.
>
> I think you misread, I meant, that nobody will die of not having a
> fag in the pub or restaurant.
>
>> Death rates from supposedly "smoking related causes" have not
>> diminished appreciably.
>
> In the UK, it's rather too early to tell. But in Scotland, research so
> far has shown that since the ban on smoking in public places, there has
> been a big drop in the number of non-smokers admitted to hospital with
> heart attacks.
>
>> It seems to be whoever happens to be on the bandwagon at the time who
>> manages to win, be the issue true or false or right or wrong.
>
> I don't think you can call the known medical risks of smoking, a
> bandwagon. Of course, lung cancer is only one of the risks; smoking also
> incurs a risk of premature death from many other cancers plus heart
> disease and stroke.
>
> Janet
>
Leaving the "known facts" out of the equation, what I meant by bandwagon,
was the political and legislative issues, and the number and demographics
of people who wield power. IF there had been a lot more smokers, the law
could easily have gone the other way. At least in the US, laws are often
made based on the sheer number of supporting individuals (not necessary
supporting evidence). It becomes a popularity contest and the influence of
numbers.
--
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James Silverton
??>> Ophelia wrote on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:37:04 +0100:
O>>> Malcolm Loades wrote:
O>>> Sans fairy ann.
O>>> I haven't heard that since I was a child:)) I still don't
??>> know
O>>> what it means:)
??>> C'est ne fait rien!
JB> Wrong French grammar. It's
JB> Ca ne fait rien (cydilla under the C, it's a soft C).
Ah so!
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
John
chancellor wrote:
> My ex was an oncologist in the US
Ex? Died of AIDS did he, faggot?
graham
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <7hLOj.3355$aq4.1543@trnddc02>
> from "James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.not> contains these
> words:
>
>> Ophelia wrote on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:37:04 +0100:
>
>> O> Malcolm Loades wrote:
>> O> Sans fairy ann.
>
>> O> I haven't heard that since I was a child:)) I still don't
>> O> what it means:)
>
>
>
>
Graham
Wayne Boatwright
Yes.
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Wayne Boatwright
Was that really necessary? Or are you just an ugly homophobe?
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Mike
"Anne Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message from Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com>
> contains these words:
>
>> If you sat first and I came by afterwards, I'd either keep going or not
>> smoke. If I sat first and you came by, then you'd need to choose whether
>> to sit or not. I view that rather like "first come, first served".
>
> Wouldn't someone who is so conscious of another's smoke be sensible
> enough to sit on the 'up-wind' end of the seat, since they were there
> first? That way, no-one's smoke could blow in their direction!
>
> Of course, I'm talking about _sensible_ people.
>
> --
> AnneJ
>
Try reading the scenario again.
Mike
--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
myrtle
snip
> No, I didn't; I would never take my family on a cruise, you never
> know who you'd be rubbing shoulders with - but I did buy a company,
> and we made a 'very acceptable' profit in our first year of trading...
> That's enough to make me happy.
>
Did it? Many Congratulations. How strange! I thought it was dormant.
Giusi
> Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> []
>> You know, it's people with attitudes like yours that make smokers more
>> entrenched in their determination to smoke where and when they want!
>
> No. Smokers like you are entrenched already, and do that very well
> without me. Would that more smokers were like Wayne, and there would
> probably be less problems.
Al contrario, David. I dont smoke but you come off to me as extremely self
involved in this question. Smokers stink, you say... not all of them do, I
say. Besides, lots of homeless and elderly stink, so what should I do?
Kill them?
I say that the laws were passed, the interiors are smoker-free now and you
should just enjoy that instead of reacting like a princess at the least
whiff of tobacco smoke that may enter your life. Would you rather it be
feces or unwashed sweat or aged urine?
If you are downwind of a smoker outside ask them to change positions with
you. Ask nicely. I have even offered without being asked when I smoked.
All this blowing it into your face and stifling interiors is not what I have
experienced worldwide, and certainly not as I acted ever.
Mike....
> I only hope that someone's second-hand smoke has the most dire effect
> on both of the original whinger!
charming. I withdraw my sufggestion we should be considerate to smokers now
the ban is in.
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Mike....
> That's more than a little nasty, but statistically,
It was, but you are OTT about smoking, YOU started it.
Mike....
> You aint ready for rocket science.
my office used to be full of smoke, all pubs were, many restaurants,how
hard is that to understand. One good thing about this thread, its reminded
how selfish and ignorant smokers can be.
lets hope you all freeze to death in the street.
Mike....
> Ah, but, those who do not smoke need to worry. It's the thin end of the
> wedge, soon we will have doughnut patrols in our workplaces to make sure
> those who are obese cannot eat cakes.
smoke affects other people, is that hard to understand?
> My employer (council) has started a stair-climbing club which they would
> like us to do in our lunch hour.
> Needless to say, I won't be joining it.
so its voluntary? So what? If you like being unfit, its up to you.
Mike....
> That evokes only one response - tough shit! Live with it.
no, we banned it, you selfish cow.