Re: Psssst - wanna buy a pub?

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:43:59 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Our local is up for sale!

freehold?
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Mike... . . . .

[June Hughes]

In message <9ha4bv...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com>
writes

>Our local is up for sale!

I didn't know you had a local, Sacha.

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June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <a4nva7tkpp4ds3a08...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

>On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:43:59 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>Our local is up for sale!
>
>freehold?

Unless it is in a place where there is scope for lots of customers, you
will need bottomless pockets.
--
June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <9ha733...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com>
writes

>The village is small but at one time it used to get a LOT of custom.
>For various reasons I won't go into here, that has tailed off but at
>one time it was doing a truly roaring trade. Not only did locals
>support it, there are several walkers and cyclists who used it. And
>there are plenty of b&b places round here with summer visitors who used
>it almost every evening.

Par for the course, I'm afraid. Our local, in a totally different type
of area from yours, used to do a roaring trade but now it is struggling.
It was a community pub but people tend to stay home for a drink nowadays
and the smoking ban didn't help, although it pleased me no end.
--
June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <9ha708...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com>
writes

>On 2011-11-01 11:49:01 +0000, Mike.. . . . <petro...@live.com> said:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:43:59 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Our local is up for sale!
>> freehold?
>

>Yes. It's a charming little pub but it's only possible drawback is that
>while a couple can run it easily, I'm not sure that it can sustain
>staff as well. So it's very hard work.


Nail on head.
--
June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <9ha751...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com>
writes

>On 2011-11-01 11:59:49 +0000, June Hughes <Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> said:
>
>> In message <9ha4bv...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha
>><sa...@nowhere.com> writes
>>> Our local is up for sale!
>> I didn't know you had a local, Sacha.
>

>It's the Live & Let Live and in Broadhempston we have the Monk's
>Retreat and the Coppa Dolla. In Littlehempston there's the Tally Ho.
>They must have been a thirsty lot round here!

People used to go to pubs to meet their friends but that has all changed
now. People in our pub rarely drank too much but you could go in and
invariably see at least two or three people you knew. You can't
nowadays and I don't think we'll ever get back to that, which is a pity.
--
June Hughes

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:28:56 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>> freehold?
>
>Yes. It's a charming little pub but it's only possible drawback is that
>while a couple can run it easily, I'm not sure that it can sustain
>staff as well. So it's very hard work.

It would be, but just think, if I was running it and you upset me on
usenet, I could ban you LOL :-)

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:41:33 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Our local, in a totally different type
>of area from yours, used to do a roaring trade but now it is struggling.
>It was a community pub but people tend to stay home for a drink nowadays
>and the smoking ban didn't help, although it pleased me no end.

+ drink driving

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:02:01 -0000, "mark"
<notarea...@fooledyou.com> wrote:

>....co-operative...?
>I read somewhere it has already been done with a pub in a village.

Heskett Newmarket is one. North edge of the Lake district.

[Ophelia]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 2011-11-01 12:00:20 +0000, June Hughes <Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk>

> The village is small but at one time it used to get a LOT of custom. For
> various reasons I won't go into here, that has tailed off but at one time
> it was doing a truly roaring trade. Not only did locals support it, there
> are several walkers and cyclists who used it. And there are plenty of b&b
> places round here with summer visitors who used it almost every evening.

Did the smoking ban hit is? I read that many pubs are going downhill
because of that.


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[June Hughes]

In message <o8rva7lssaeps98h6...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

Of course. I omitted that.
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[June Hughes]

In message <n4rva7trl7n0frlt6...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

Ged ouda my pub!
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June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <j0sva7d0fpss05mdk...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

Is it? I would have thought the pubs up there would do well. Nothing
else to do :)
--
June Hughes

[Ophelia]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

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> And I could leave taking the village with me. Could be fun. Shall you try
> it? ;-)

Pah! Incomers!
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[June Hughes]

In message <9ha9n5...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com>
writes
>On 2011-11-01 13:02:01 +0000, "mark" <notarea...@fooledyou.com> said:
>
>> X-No-Archive:Yes

>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

>> news:9ha708...@mid.individual.net...

>>> On 2011-11-01 11:49:01 +0000, Mike.. . . . <petro...@live.com> said:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:43:59 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Our local is up for sale!
>>>> freehold?

>>> Yes. It's a charming little pub but it's only possible drawback is
>>>that
>>> while a couple can run it easily, I'm not sure that it can sustain staff
>>> as well. So it's very hard work.

>> ....co-operative...?
>> I read somewhere it has already been done with a pub in a village.

>> [probably needs to be freehold though...]
>> mark
>
>This is freehold. A community co-operative runs the shop in a nearby
>village. We lost ours long ago. ;-(

That seems to work well. I have a dear friend who lives in Iden near
Rye and their shop has been community run since it almost closed down
some ten years ago.
--
June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <9ha9p8...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com>
writes

>We've often noticed that the same group is in the Coppa Dolla most
>evenings and at week ends, just having a drink before going home. But
>I think most of them are within walking distance.

That's the killer of it all - as Mike said the drink-driving things has
made a huge effect. However, people should be encouraged to walk to
their local pub if they want to drink. Good exercise, good company and
hopefully good beer can't be bad.
--
June Hughes

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:14:39 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>> It would be, but just think, if I was running it and you upset me on
>> usenet, I could ban you LOL :-)
>

>And I could leave taking the village with me.

Ahh, that might be a problem! OK, I would just sulk a bit and serve
you last :-)

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:15:42 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>It would be, but just think, if I was running it and you upset me on
>>usenet, I could ban you LOL :-)
>
>Ged ouda my pub!

would have to learn Alan Sugar accent "you're banned". Was once in
inner city pub where landlord chucked some lads out as known thieves.
We all stood there watching the large windows for a brick.

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:16:19 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>Heskett Newmarket is one. North edge of the Lake district.
>
>Is it? I would have thought the pubs up there would do well. Nothing
>else to do :)

small pub, small village, no walkers. Chris Bonnington (Sir Christian
to you) is one of the owners.

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:28:18 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>However, people should be encouraged to walk to
>their local pub if they want to drink. Good exercise, good company and
>hopefully good beer can't be bad.

there was a longish period where the beer wasn't good. That lost
customers.

I have found a quiet pub with good beer that's just walkable, but
Carol is too tired and its too late most days to go. Its also very
expensive compared to drinking at home.

Country pubs are a no no with drink driving.

The smokers got driven out and those who said they hadn't been going
because of the smoke still don't go.

Its like buses, so many people say "we would use them if we could",
but if they are laid on, people still drive, because nobody wants to
go on a bus.

[June Hughes]

In message <sitva7d423m8n0iqj...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

<G>
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[June Hughes]

In message <8ltva79bahvapp41d...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

<G> I was trying to be the Peggy - ex-landlady of the Old Vic in
Eastenders (which I haven't watched for many years) but obviously failed
miserably. I shan't give up the day job.
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[June Hughes]

In message <hotva751ijc487fsn...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

Is he? I thought he lived in Wasdale?
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June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <cstva7huqgo6n71ut...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

I use the bus sometimes. I'm not proud :) My sis wouldn't be seen dead
on one.
--
June Hughes

[Ophelia]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

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> No, I don't think it did. If anything, I think most of us were rather
> glad of the ban. The pub isn't large inside but seats around 30 people for
> food, so people smoking wasn't very popular where others were eating.

Very understandable. The smoking ban made such places a far more attractive
prospect to visit. I had read that because of the ban, more people were
staying at home where they could drink and smoke. Any idea what the
prospects are for your pub? Is there much interest?
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[Ophelia]

"Mike.. . . ." <petro...@live.com> wrote in message
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> Country pubs are a no no with drink driving.

Ahh yes! I hadn't thought of that!

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[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:48:22 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I was trying to be the Peggy - ex-landlady of the Old Vic in
>Eastenders (which I haven't watched for many years) but obviously failed
>miserably. I shan't give up the day job.

right, I've only seen it for the odd thirty seconds. I know the <bosh>
<bosh> <bosh> cue the U bend of the Thames. Oh. and bald blokes
shouting at each other, that's it.

Isn't the landlady the woman who was in the Carry ons with bra fulls
of talent?

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:48:48 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>small pub, small village, no walkers. Chris Bonnington (Sir Christian
>>to you) is one of the owners.
>
>Is he? I thought he lived in Wasdale?

Nah, near Blencathra, Hutton Roof area.

[Bob Henson]

It certainly changed the people who go to pubs. Before the ban non-smokers
avoided them, now smokers avoid them - or, more accurately, stay at home
where Big Brother has yet to intrude quite so much. Smokers tend to be the
drinkers, hence if the pub can't readily convert to being just a
restaurant, it goes under. Sadly, they're closing down at a rate of knots
nationally, changing part of our culture and our history. Tetbury just lost
another, now it has only two left out of the eight that it had when I came
here. There are other factors, of course, but the smoking ban has closed as
many as the breathalyser - and the two together account for nearly all the
closures.
--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with
chocolate.

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:51:39 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>Its like buses, so many people say "we would use them if we could",
>>but if they are laid on, people still drive, because nobody wants to
>>go on a bus.
>
>I use the bus sometimes. I'm not proud :) My sis wouldn't be seen dead
>on one.

Thatcher said the only time you see an adult man waiting for a bus,
hes either out of work or banned. Everybody said "what a stupid thing
to say" while silently agreeing, more or less. Its the Jeremy
Clarkeson trademark, say things that are unacceptable but mostly true,
like when reviewing a Porsche, saying it will take children in the
back if thin - and of course they will be thin like thier mother, no
Porsche driver has a fat wife. I think his best one was on the Toyota
Pious, pointing out that however electric it was, it had no plug so
all the power came from petrol, same as any other car.

[Ophelia]

"Bob Henson" <rh54...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, it has changed our culture, which is very sad, but I can't say I miss
the smell.
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[June Hughes]

In message <dkvva7dt737g9f8n2...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

Yes. Barbara Windsor. I couldn't think of her name before lunch. Must
have been the turkey sandwich.
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June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <1svva7truod2olrre...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

I thought you said north lakes? Must have mis-read it. My mother used
to play the piano once a week at the TB hospital at Blencathra.

I also used to help do the accounts of the slate quarries close by
(Threlkeld) when I was an articled clerk. Now that _is_ a long time
ago.
--
June Hughes

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:31:08 -0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

>
>Yes, it has changed our culture, which is very sad, but I can't say I miss
>the smell.

An unexpected change that smoking ban has produced is that of smokers
being promoted faster than non-smokers. A number of company directors
and upper management smoke. A number of lower management and non
management also smoke. So staff who smoke spend more time chatting to
directors and higher management than non smokers. This gives staff who
smoke more chances on the ladder. In the last job I had some of the
staff who smoked were on first name terms with the MD. Non smokers
like me had to find other methods or crawling!

Steve

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[June Hughes]

In message <p410b7d4g5ph091sl...@4ax.com>, Stephen
Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> writes

>On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:31:08 -0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Yes, it has changed our culture, which is very sad, but I can't say I miss
>>the smell.
>
>An unexpected change that smoking ban has produced is that of smokers
>being promoted faster than non-smokers. A number of company directors
>and upper management smoke. A number of lower management and non
>management also smoke. So staff who smoke spend more time chatting to
>directors and higher management than non smokers. This gives staff who
>smoke more chances on the ladder. In the last job I had some of the
>staff who smoked were on first name terms with the MD. Non smokers
>like me had to find other methods or crawling!
>
>Steve
>

Nice one, Steve.
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June Hughes

[Ophelia]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" <st...@npsl1.com> wrote in message
news:p410b7d4g5ph091sl...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:31:08 -0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Yes, it has changed our culture, which is very sad, but I can't say I miss
>>the smell.
>
> An unexpected change that smoking ban has produced is that of smokers
> being promoted faster than non-smokers. A number of company directors
> and upper management smoke. A number of lower management and non
> management also smoke. So staff who smoke spend more time chatting to
> directors and higher management than non smokers. This gives staff who
> smoke more chances on the ladder. In the last job I had some of the
> staff who smoked were on first name terms with the MD. Non smokers
> like me had to find other methods or crawling!

Oh dear:( All those smoke breaks I suppose ...
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[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:04:10 -0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

Exactly. Smoke breaks when the smokers gathered together in sheltered,
outside locations.

Steve

[Ophelia]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" <st...@npsl1.com> wrote in message

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Yep. Not fair either when all non smokers are getting on with their work.
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[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Stephen Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> wrote:
> An unexpected change that smoking ban has produced is that of smokers
> being promoted faster than non-smokers. A number of company directors
> and upper management smoke. A number of lower management and non
> management also smoke. So staff who smoke spend more time chatting to
> directors and higher management than non smokers. This gives staff who
> smoke more chances on the ladder. In the last job I had some of the
> staff who smoked were on first name terms with the MD. Non smokers
> like me had to find other methods or crawling!

The strange thing about where I work is that very few people seem to smoke.
Or at least, not during working hours. I know a couple of people who I
didn't know smoked until they left the pub one night to go outside for 10
mins. There is a space outside where one or two people go, but tbh, the
only people Iv'e seen around there that I recognise are our team assistant,
one of the dev contractor guys from upstairs, and Clarkson + Hammond!
Certainly never spotted anyone from management out there.

Maybe they've got a sneaky spot on the balcony that they all nip out to.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> Exactly. Smoke breaks when the smokers gathered together in sheltered,
>> outside locations.
> Yep. Not fair either when all non smokers are getting on with their work.

Wasn't there an episode of Friends based on this?

I'm pretty sure I make up for not having smoking breaks via tea and coffee
breaks. I have no idea if smokers get tea and coffee breaks as well ...

[Ophelia]

<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Exactly. Smoke breaks when the smokers gathered together in sheltered,
>>> outside locations.
>> Yep. Not fair either when all non smokers are getting on with their
>> work.
>
> Wasn't there an episode of Friends based on this?

Dunno, never watched it.

> I'm pretty sure I make up for not having smoking breaks via tea and coffee
> breaks.

I am pleased to hear it:)

I have no idea if smokers get tea and coffee breaks as well ...

I bet they do!

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[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:39:35 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>Nah, near Blencathra, Hutton Roof area.
>
>I thought you said north lakes? Must have mis-read it. My mother used
>to play the piano once a week at the TB hospital at Blencathra.

yes, north lakes, east of Bassenthwaite and north of Keswick. North of
the A66, where you gets yours kicks.

[June Hughes]

In message <hl60b71gsr3ivm04j...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

I would call that the middle of the lake district. As it happens, we
did get our kicks on the A66. We frequented it a lot when we were
teenagers and there was a train service to Keswick (used to run
alongside Bass Lake). You forgot to mention Saddleback.
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[Ophelia]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

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> I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be any interest at all and hasn't been
> for the year or so it's been on the market. I think the smoking ban has
> affected some pubs but possibly the larger town ones that a lot of young
> people go to?

I don't know, but what a shame.

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[sf]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:43:59 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Our local is up for sale!

I know it's a lot of work, but I like to think it would be fun too.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

[sf]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:18:07 -0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

> Did the smoking ban hit is? I read that many pubs are going downhill
> because of that.

Your smokers must be hard core. The smoking ban didn't cut into bars
and night clubs here. If anything there are more than ever before.

[sf]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 16:04:24 -0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

>> I have no idea if smokers get tea and coffee breaks as well ...
>
> I bet they do!

If they do, it's the same break but they choose to spend it smoking.

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 16:49:11 +0000, June Hughes
<Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>yes, north lakes, east of Bassenthwaite and north of Keswick. North of
>>the A66, where you gets yours kicks.
>
>I would call that the middle of the lake district.

Middle!!! The hills there are in Wainwright volume "northern fells".
Heres an authoritive website "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/eld.htm"
Blencathra is just below the last n of northern

>As it happens, we
>did get our kicks on the A66. We frequented it a lot when we were
>teenagers and there was a train service to Keswick (used to run
>alongside Bass Lake). You forgot to mention Saddleback.

I have always called it Blencathra. One of my favourite hills, up
Halls fell/Narrow edge and down Sharp Edge, a whole day on "edge".

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 20:36:01 +0000, Mike.. . . .
<petro...@live.com> wrote:

> middle of the lake district.

Esk Hause IMHO

"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/lang020.htm"

[graham]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" <st...@npsl1.com> wrote in message

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Some 25 years ago, I was promoted to general manager of the branch of the UK
firm I worked for. I called all the smokers into my office on the following
day (a Friday) and told them that as of the following Monday, the office
would be "non-smoking". They were pissed off about that but the rest of the
staff were very happy. Ironically, I think I beat the local health board in
instituting this policy!
I had noticed that the smokers took more sickies as well.
Over the next couple of years, the major companies in town gradually
restricted smoking in their offices and then banned it outright.
Graham

[graham]

<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
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In Calgary, one cannot smoke within 3 metres of a doorway, otherwise one
gets fined.

[graham]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 2011-11-01 13:52:43 +0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk> said:
>
>>
>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:9habir...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 2011-11-01 13:18:07 +0000, "Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.me.uk> said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9ha733...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 2011-11-01 12:00:20 +0000, June Hughes
>>>>> <Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <a4nva7tkpp4ds3a08...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
>>>>>> <petro...@live.com> writes

>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:43:59 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our local is up for sale!
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> freehold?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless it is in a place where there is scope for lots of customers,
>>>>>> you will need bottomless pockets.
>>>>>
>>>>> The village is small but at one time it used to get a LOT of custom.
>>>>> For various reasons I won't go into here, that has tailed off but at
>>>>> one time it was doing a truly roaring trade. Not only did locals
>>>>> support it, there are several walkers and cyclists who used it. And
>>>>> there are plenty of b&b places round here with summer visitors who
>>>>> used it almost every evening.
>>>>

>>>> Did the smoking ban hit is? I read that many pubs are going downhill
>>>> because of that.
>>>

>>> No, I don't think it did. If anything, I think most of us were rather
>>> glad of the ban. The pub isn't large inside but seats around 30 people
>>> for food, so people smoking wasn't very popular where others were
>>> eating.
>>
>> Very understandable. The smoking ban made such places a far more
>> attractive prospect to visit. I had read that because of the ban, more
>> people were staying at home where they could drink and smoke. Any idea
>> what the prospects are for your pub? Is there much interest?
>
> I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be any interest at all and hasn't been
> for the year or so it's been on the market. I think the smoking ban has
> affected some pubs but possibly the larger town ones that a lot of young
> people go to?

> --
> Sacha

In the Suffolk village where I was brung up, there were 11 pubs at the
beginning of C20, 5 when I lived there and now only one. Strangely, the one
that has survived is the one that most would have predicted to have closed
years ago, before the other 4.
Graham

[June Hughes]

In message <lol0b79c22mdgofa0...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

It's lovely.. I have had some good times there.
--
June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <dcm0b79kjpskupuvr...@4ax.com>, Mike.....
<petro...@live.com> writes

>On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 20:36:01 +0000, Mike.. . . .
><petro...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> middle of the lake district.
>
>Esk Hause IMHO
>
>"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/lang020.htm"

Lovely. thank-you Mike.
--
June Hughes

[June Hughes]

In message <SaZrq.11699$SW4....@newsfe08.iad>, graham
<g.st...@shaw.ca> writes

You were a pioneer, Graham.
--
June Hughes

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure I make up for not having smoking breaks via tea and coffee
>> breaks.
>
> I am pleased to hear it:)
>
> I have no idea if smokers get tea and coffee breaks as well ...
>
> I bet they do!

My job is very much a "this is the work that needs doing, you have to be in
work >these core hours< (10-12, 2-4), get your work done" job. If I can fit
my work load into those 4 core hours, I can /probably/ skip out of the rest.
Although someone may wonder why I've got such a light workload that I'm
needing to be there for so little. (in reality, I work those core hours
plus several hours around about now, when most /actual work/ rather than
people wanting to talk to me about work happens)

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Certainly never spotted anyone from management out there.
>>
>> Maybe they've got a sneaky spot on the balcony that they all nip out to.
>>
> In Calgary, one cannot smoke within 3 metres of a doorway, otherwise one
> gets fined.

The smoking area near our doorway is not within 3m, I don't think. And it's
not allowed to smoke on the balcony. But there are no smoke detectors
there, so I don't know who would be there to stop them (iyswim)

[Ophelia]

<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9hbd7q...@mid.individual.net...

I don't think your job is the norm for many people though.

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[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:49:16 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> It is
>cheaper to have a drink or three at home; drink/driving laws have made
>a huge difference and I notice that the younger generations are mostly
>very conscious of those and built-in entertainment on the tv

much more the computer now, younger people are more likely to be on
facebook than watching the 9 o'clock news. (I haven't switched the TV
on in days)

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 16:45:35 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
<judith...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>Pubs in the UK (Bars) are a social place where people meet
>for a talk, a drink, usually beer I think and if they smoke, a few
>cigarettes. Take away the cigarettes, it breaks their enjoyment and
>the pubs are no longer so attractive. This is my take on it but as I
>am a non-smoker and a non-pub goer, it could just be speculation on my
>part?

Reasonable for pubs as they were. I've never been in a bar in the US,
but linking pubs with night clubs is two very different concepts.

Pubs tend to be at the centre of communities and act as meeting
places, nowadays theres a big emphasis on food although to remain a
true pub it must maintain the freedom of action, no booking, no
ushering to tables, buy your drinks at the bar. For instance, tonight,
if Carol is delayed at a meeting, as will probably be the case, I will
sit in the pub opposite with a pint, reading the paper. Many people
will come in to eat, some just for a single drink. Sometimes a group
will come in for a "session" now called "binge drinking" by the
puritan tendency. Some might be travellers staying overnight and
>>breaking their journey<< (<Janet can chip in here with some old
bolox)Theres no particular association with beer except this -
traditional british beer has to be cask conditioned so is normally
only generally available in pubs. If I looked around the pub, maybe 5%
would be drinking it. But some pubs specialize in "cask ale", others
in sport TV, others in food. In a downmarket area you could find one
with strippers and a bouncer. Or they might be at the edge of a
cricket green or on a canal or near good walking country. In other
words a pub is many things, in fact if you want to know what an area
is like, the quickest way to find out is visit the pubs.

[Mike.. . . .]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:51:27 +0000, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>and so is being tied to the bar
>when the pub bore is propping it up!

Oh yes! Theres a place I go where theres often an oil worker on his
week off spending his money. Nobody else but the barman. You get
served and politly say hello, hes got you and the barman dissapeares
in a flash , probably to bang his head on the wall.

But these are the pubs I love, in far flung places and having to cater
for all at once. Posh guests in the rooms, who are only seen
fleetingly in the "saloon bar" area (yes, gone in name), oilmen,
truckers or whatever in the "public" bar, birdwatchers/walkers
whatever thrown in to the mix.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> My job is very much a "this is the work that needs doing, you have to be
>> in
>> work >these core hours< (10-12, 2-4), get your work done" job. If I can
>> fit
>> my work load into those 4 core hours, I can /probably/ skip out of the
>> rest.
>> Although someone may wonder why I've got such a light workload that I'm
>> needing to be there for so little. (in reality, I work those core hours
>> plus several hours around about now, when most /actual work/ rather than
>> people wanting to talk to me about work happens)
>
> I don't think your job is the norm for many people though.

To be honest, for white collar work, I think it really is. Maybe not quite
'the norm' but certainly on the increase, anyhow.

[Mike.. . . .]

On 2 Nov 2011 12:21:35 GMT, <vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Although someone may wonder why I've got such a light workload that I'm
>>> needing to be there for so little. (in reality, I work those core hours
>>> plus several hours around about now, when most /actual work/ rather than
>>> people wanting to talk to me about work happens)
>>
>> I don't think your job is the norm for many people though.
>
>To be honest, for white collar work, I think it really is. Maybe not quite
>'the norm' but certainly on the increase, anyhow.

It doesn't work so well in a supervisory role.

[Ophelia]

<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9hcquf...@mid.individual.net...

ok must be a modern thing:)

<Dinosaur O>
>


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[Jane Gillett]

In article <9ha751...@mid.individual.net>,
Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 2011-11-01 11:59:49 +0000, June Hughes <Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> said:

> > In message <9ha4bv...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> writes

> >> Our local is up for sale!
> >

> > I didn't know you had a local, Sacha.

> It's the Live & Let Live and in Broadhempston we have the Monk's
> Retreat and the Coppa Dolla. In Littlehempston there's the Tally Ho.
> They must have been a thirsty lot round here!

Diptford has been blessed with several pubs in the past. Gossip has it that
the closures were somehow linked with the fact that the village is on a
direct route between the Dartmouth Royal Naval College and Plymouth.

No pubs now but a local group dress up the village hall and run a
traditional "pub" four times a year.

Jane

--

Jane Gillett : j.gi...@higherstert.co.uk : Totnes, Devon.

[Jane Gillett]

In article <cstva7huqgo6n71ut...@4ax.com>,

Mike.. . . . <petro...@live.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:28:18 +0000, June Hughes
> <Ju...@junehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >However, people should be encouraged to walk to
> >their local pub if they want to drink. Good exercise, good company and
> >hopefully good beer can't be bad.

> there was a longish period where the beer wasn't good. That lost
> customers.

> I have found a quiet pub with good beer that's just walkable, but
> Carol is too tired and its too late most days to go. Its also very
> expensive compared to drinking at home.

> Country pubs are a no no with drink driving.

> The smokers got driven out and those who said they hadn't been going
> because of the smoke still don't go.

> Its like buses, so many people say "we would use them if we could",
> but if they are laid on, people still drive, because nobody wants to
> go on a bus.

What's a bus? :)

[Mike.. . . .]

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:23:54 +0000 (GMT), Jane Gillett
<j.gi...@higherstert.co.uk> wrote:

>> Its like buses, so many people say "we would use them if we could",
>> but if they are laid on, people still drive, because nobody wants to
>> go on a bus.
>
>What's a bus? :)

there are lots in towns, often empty. The country version goes where
you want to go, but either does not come back or goes at some strange
useless time.