Food waste

[Ophelia]

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesco-battle-breathtaking-level-food-220009757.html

"In a major move aimed at showing that Tesco can use its scale to create
social change, Philip Clarke will say that it is important that the
supermarket promotes a new image to its customers. Food will come in smaller
sizes, and food promotions will be tailored to stop encouraging people to
buy large amounts of food with a short shelf life."

Hmm small packs eh? I bet they will cost the same, and what will happen to
BOGOFs?


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[allegoricus]

Yet more evidence that, at corporate level, Tesco is full of sh+t.

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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> M&S has gone the same way.

Have you been hearing about their new payments system? What a mess ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/10066187/Marks-and-Spencer-customer-fears-over-contactless-payments.html

I won't be shopping there any time soon. I don't want any system taking
money without my express permission and action. iyswim
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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> Very few do. They seem to think that we all do.
>
> I have looked at their online clothing website and found that they
> have nothing I want to buy.

Years ago I loved their clothes ... then they began to try to appeal to the
young ones ...
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[Ophelia]

"Mike.. . . ." <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Following a post by Ophelia

>
>> I bet they will cost the same,
>

> too cynical

Moi?

>>and what will happen to
>>BOGOFs?
>

> hopefully replaced by half price offers.

I can't wait to find out, but I am not holding my breath!
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[Ophelia]

"Mike.. . . ." <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Following a post by Ophelia
>
>>>> I bet they will cost the same,
>>>
>>> too cynical
>>
>>Moi?
>

> I don't its Tescos business model to cheat the customer, only its
> suppliers.

>
>>>>and what will happen to
>>>>BOGOFs?
>>>
>>> hopefully replaced by half price offers.
>>
>>I can't wait to find out, but I am not holding my breath!
>

> have they said anything about BOGOFs?

I posted a link to the only source I have.
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[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:14:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
<Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:

>Years ago I loved their clothes ... then they began to try to appeal to the
>young ones ...

M&S have never made clothes that appeal to young ones. They did make
clothes that appealed to the parents of young ones. When I was young I
had to take the M*S labels out to avoid the embarrassment.

Steve

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[Ophelia]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:14:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Years ago I loved their clothes ... then they began to try to appeal to
>>the
>>young ones ...
>
> M&S have never made clothes that appeal to young ones. They did make
> clothes that appealed to the parents of young ones. When I was young I
> had to take the M*S labels out to avoid the embarrassment.

<g> Hey they made good stuff:))
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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> +1 especially woolen pullovers, and undies.

Indeed they did:)
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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> and cotton socks.

Stockings.
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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:31:33 +0100, "Ophelia"

> Pippi Langkous?

Not that long ... :))
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[Owain]

On May 20, 10:44 am, "Ophelia" wrote:
> food promotions will be tailored to stop encouraging people to
> buy large amounts of food with a short shelf life."

I'll die of starvation.

My freezer is filled with large amounts of food with an allegedly
short shelf life, reduced to about 25p.

Owain

[Ophelia]

"Owain" <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
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Probably all talk!
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[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:22:13 +0200, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:30:09 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
><eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:14:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
>><Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Years ago I loved their clothes ... then they began to try to appeal to the
>>>young ones ...
>>
>>M&S have never made clothes that appeal to young ones. They did make
>>clothes that appealed to the parents of young ones. When I was young I
>>had to take the M*S labels out to avoid the embarrassment.
>

>As if anybody cared.
>

M&S clothes were a joke with the kids I went to school with. School
uniform or Woods jeans were OK but M&S clothes had no street cred:)

[David Horne]

Not sure that this would affect 'final clearance' sales.

D

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[Jane Gillett]

In article <1dsjp8tncq6l1m36r...@4ax.com>,

allegoricus <alleg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 10:44:38 +0100, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:

> >http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesco-battle-breathtaking-level-food-220009757.html
> >
> >"In a major move aimed at showing that Tesco can use its scale to create
> >social change, Philip Clarke will say that it is important that the
> >supermarket promotes a new image to its customers. Food will come in smaller

> >sizes, and food promotions will be tailored to stop encouraging people to

> >buy large amounts of food with a short shelf life."
> >

> >Hmm small packs eh? I bet they will cost the same, and what will happen to
> >BOGOFs?

> Yet more evidence that, at corporate level, Tesco is full of sh+t.

Despite my criticism of smkts I don't actually agree. You have to look at
it in the light of Tesco's business objectives which will be mainly a
combination of return for shareholders and positioning the business in the
best way for future trading position. One of their most important assets in
this is what the customer will buy so they use it to T's best advantage.
The fact that it sometimes doesn't seem to do what seems best for the
customer is beside the point; that's not what they are in business for.

If you don't like them, shop elsewhere - it's the only language they will
respond to.
Cheers
jane

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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> and M&S trousers.

You mean NO M&S trousers ... <g>
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[Ophelia]

"Stephen Wolstenholme" <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:22:13 +0200, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:30:09 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
>><eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:14:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>><Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Years ago I loved their clothes ... then they began to try to appeal to
>>>>the
>>>>young ones ...
>>>
>>>M&S have never made clothes that appeal to young ones. They did make
>>>clothes that appealed to the parents of young ones. When I was young I
>>>had to take the M*S labels out to avoid the embarrassment.
>>
>>As if anybody cared.
>>
>
> M&S clothes were a joke with the kids I went to school with. School
> uniform or Woods jeans were OK but M&S clothes had no street cred:)

When I was very young we couldn't have afforded street cred let alone know
what it was <g>
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[Stephen Wolstenholme]

I'm using a modern term to describe what always existed. Street cred
when I was at school was jeans for us "poor" kids and school uniforms
for the rich ones! The school head would wanted everyone to wear
uniforms but he acknowledged that some families could not afford it
and so lots of us kids got away with anything.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Stephen Wolstenholme <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'm using a modern term to describe what always existed. Street cred
> when I was at school was jeans for us "poor" kids and school uniforms
> for the rich ones! The school head would wanted everyone to wear
> uniforms but he acknowledged that some families could not afford it
> and so lots of us kids got away with anything.

In the mid-80s we would get a school uniform 'grant', which was a voucher
that could be spent in any shop (that took them), but it all had to be
from the same shop as you couldn't split it. So we had to go out and
work out where to go so that we could buy /everything/, as cheaply as
possible, but all together. It was tricky. Shoes was always the really
tricky bit. I think we normally had to get those separately. And my
school tie could only be bought from 1 shop, which also sold all the rest
of the uniform, but to buy from there would have cost so much I would only
have had 1 shirt and 1 skirt.

It was all fine till the day my little brother messed with the buttons
on the washing machinea nd my mum boil-washed everything, and all my
jumpers came out with giraffe-arms and the pleats in my skirts all came
out wavey. :-(

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On 21 May 2013 11:26:15 GMT, <vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote:

>Stephen Wolstenholme <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I'm using a modern term to describe what always existed. Street cred
>> when I was at school was jeans for us "poor" kids and school uniforms
>> for the rich ones! The school head would wanted everyone to wear
>> uniforms but he acknowledged that some families could not afford it
>> and so lots of us kids got away with anything.
>
>In the mid-80s we would get a school uniform 'grant', which was a voucher
>that could be spent in any shop (that took them), but it all had to be
>from the same shop as you couldn't split it.

SFAIK uniform grants are quiet recent. They didn't exist when I went
to school. I finished school after taking GCE O levels in 1965 and
still had no uniform!

[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> As in all fur and no knickers? :)

I thought was red hat ...
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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 21 May 2013 10:47:41 +0100, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>

> Ditto and the world was a better place.

In many ways, yes.
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[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Mike.. . . . <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> we have TV, computers, mobile phones and cars. We fly to foreign
> holidays.

I'm not sure I agree that any of these are good things.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Mike.. . . . <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> of course we can reminiss how you could leave your door open and
> unlocked, but of course there was nothing worth nicking anyway.

I often do that, on the basis that anyone breaking in would think we had
already been burgled.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Stephen Wolstenholme <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>In the mid-80s we would get a school uniform 'grant', which was a voucher
>>that could be spent in any shop (that took them), but it all had to be
>>from the same shop as you couldn't split it.
>
> SFAIK uniform grants are quiet recent. They didn't exist when I went
> to school. I finished school after taking GCE O levels in 1965 and
> still had no uniform!

Well, I did say mid-80s. If you count that as quite recent, that's your
own milage. :-P

[Phil Cook]

On 21/05/2013 13:28, Mike.. . . . wrote:
> Following a post by Ophelia

>
>>> Ditto and the world was a better place.
>>
>> In many ways, yes.
>

> and in even more ways, no.
>
> racism, homophobia, sexism and the rest all less.
> tolerance of child molesting less.
> people drive safer and not drunk.
> better medicines curing things like TB.

For now. Drug resistant TB is on the rise.
--
Phil Cook

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

About 30 years ago I lived in a rough part of Bury. High security like
locked doors and alarms was almost an invitation. I had a lock on my
brand new iron gate and one of my neighbours lifted the whole lot off
the post just for a joke. He put it back later.

[Tim C.]

On 21 May 2013 11:26:15 GMT, vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote in post :
<news:b013un...@mid.individual.net> :

> In the mid-80s we would get a school uniform 'grant', which was a voucher
> that could be spent in any shop (that took them), but it all had to be
> from the same shop as you couldn't split it. So we had to go out and
> work out where to go so that we could buy /everything/, as cheaply as
> possible, but all together.

In the 70s too. There were only one or two shops that provided blazers for
our school, and so it was easy to get the whole lot in one go. They had
different qualities/prices of course.
--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Tim C. <spam...@tele2.at> wrote:
>> In the mid-80s we would get a school uniform 'grant', which was a voucher
>> that could be spent in any shop (that took them), but it all had to be
>> from the same shop as you couldn't split it. So we had to go out and
>> work out where to go so that we could buy /everything/, as cheaply as
>> possible, but all together.
>
> In the 70s too. There were only one or two shops that provided blazers for
> our school, and so it was easy to get the whole lot in one go. They had
> different qualities/prices of course.

I never had a blazer.

[Tim C.]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:42:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote in post :
<news:7tmmp8dechtsf8qcj...@4ax.com> :

> SFAIK uniform grants are quiet recent.

AFAICR from 1966 onwards, after we returned from Tripoli, we almost always
had some sort of help from the council for uniforms. At least until I left
school in 1978.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Mike.. . . . <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I'm not sure I agree that any of these are good things.

> really? You would go back willingly to sending telegrams and holidays
> in Margate instead of fly/drive in Spain.

I have absolutely no problem at all with there being no flying. And I
am happy to go back to a telephone and a letter rather than email, yes.

> The home service and radio
> Luxemburg instead of Spotify on your mobile phone. Going to the

I have no spotify, or any other music service, on my phone. I've only
just moved to a smartphone, because Nick got fed up with my normal phone
switching itself off.

I listen to the radio 90% of the time I'm in the house.

> reference library by bus next week instead of googling (not that it
> had 1/10 of the info now online)? Shopping on a dingy local shop
> rather than driving to a supermarket that has 1000 times the choice?

I /do/ shop in a local dingy shop rather than go to the supermarket 90%
of the time (ok, apologies to my little Co-op). I was very happy when
we had a small fruit+veg shop for 6 months, but it closed down. Presumably
because of the big supermarkets pricing them out.

And Google* spoilt our annual "name the christmas song by this one obscure
line from the words" competition. :-(

It used to be nice to have to work to find something out, not have all
the information (or misinformation) at your finger tips. Now everyone
thinks they are an expert in everything just because they can access
wikipedia, and I find it kind of depressing. Everything has become too
cheap and easy, people are getting lazy and complacent, and demanding to
be entertained ALL THE TIME. BEAM TV INTO MY EYEBALLS NOW NOW NOW!!

If I was a conspiracy theorist I would suspect it was the alien invaders
dumbing us down ready to be colonised ...


> Waiting for a bus in the rain.

I tend to wait in a sheltered bus stop. I often wait for a train in the
rain. And outside school.

> These things *do* have downsides, often its because they are so good
> we overuse them or they push out some perceived good like making your
> own entertainment. But not good things, no way!

Whatever.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>> In the 70s too. There were only one or two shops that provided blazers for
>>> our school, and so it was easy to get the whole lot in one go. They had
>>> different qualities/prices of course.
>>
>>I never had a blazer.
>

> Lucky you!

I always felt a bit cheated.

[Ophelia]

<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
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I am with you on most of that!

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[David Horne]

Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

> Lucky you!

I had one at primary school but not secondary, where uniform was
optional and we only had to wear white shirt with the school tie at
concerts.

D

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[Tim C.]

On 21 May 2013 21:20:51 GMT, vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote in post :
<news:b026pj...@mid.individual.net> :

> I have absolutely no problem at all with there being no flying. And I
> am happy to go back to a telephone and a letter rather than email, yes.

You don't have to go back to them. If they're so good, why do you not use
them all the time? Nobody made you leave them by the wayside.

Where you had to book an intercontinental call a week in advance for a
fixed time, and get the operator to connect to Europe or even a long
distance national call? Ah, the good old days.

[Giusi]

On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:51:05 PM UTC+2, Martin wrote:

> I had no problem not having any of those things in the 1950s.

You were a white male, presumably heterosexual. You didn't get any of the diseases that killed children then, that's luck. You didn't get sent to an ugly war which if you didn't get killed would mar you for life.
I hate a lot of what's going on now, but I cannot close my eyes to the fact that most of us here were privileged compared to the world and we did not know it.

[Giusi]

To me the Eighties is yesterday. Are you by any chance Blondie?

[Tim C.]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:28:13 -0700 (PDT), Giusi wrote in post :
<news:48053d32-17d5-4779...@googlegroups.com> :

>> I had no problem not having any of those things in the 1950s.
>
> You were a white male, presumably heterosexual. You didn't get any of the diseases that killed children then, that's luck. You didn't get sent to an ugly war which if you didn't get killed would mar you for life.
> I hate a lot of what's going on now, but I cannot close my eyes to the fact that most of us here were privileged compared to the world and we did not know it.

+1

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:40:41 +0200, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:43:51 +0200, "Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at>
>wrote:

>How many intercontinental calls do you make a year? It is 8 years
>since the last time I made an intercontinental call.

I make a few every year as my wife and I are in England but we have
relations in USA, Australia, New Zealand and Spain.

Steve

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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> Remember the good old days when it was always sunny and warm at
> Whitsun? We've just had the wettest coldest Whitsun that I can
> remember.

Indeed:)) Probably wishful thinking, but I always remember school holidays
as hot and sunny:)

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[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:43:51 +0200, "Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at>
> wrote:
>

> How many intercontinental calls do you make a year? It is 8 years
> since the last time I made an intercontinental call.

What would you miss? (technologywise)

I would miss Skype. I love seeing and chatting to my grandchildren in
Germany.
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[Ophelia]

"Mike.. . . ." <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Following a post by Tim C.

>
>>> I have absolutely no problem at all with there being no flying. And I
>>> am happy to go back to a telephone and a letter rather than email, yes.
>>
>>You don't have to go back to them. If they're so good, why do you not use
>>them all the time?
>

> +1
>
> three people praising the good old days from a www connected computer.
> All these things from planes and cars to PCs took over because they
> are better. It amazed me how people tried to make a case for
> continuing with film cameras when digital is clearly miles better
> (once fully developed) praising the wait to see the photos as an
> advantage. You can just imagine if digital had come first, the
> inventor of film trying to make his case.
>
> Or if email existed before letters..... No, dont send it from a
> keyboard with images attached, write it on a piece of paper and put it
> in a box, in a couple of day to a week, (depending on where its
> going), it will probably be delivered by a bloke on a bike.......

When I was a child, we could post a card/letter in the morning (locally)
and it was received in the afternoon:)
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[Jane Gillett]

In article <b00u5t...@mid.individual.net>,
Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:


> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <eas...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:vrcmp85pb8t4u58t3...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:22:13 +0200, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:30:09 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
> >><eas...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:14:52 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >>><Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Years ago I loved their clothes ... then they began to try to appeal to
> >>>>the
> >>>>young ones ...
> >>>
> >>>M&S have never made clothes that appeal to young ones. They did make
> >>>clothes that appealed to the parents of young ones. When I was young I
> >>>had to take the M*S labels out to avoid the embarrassment.
> >>
> >>As if anybody cared.
> >>
> >
> > M&S clothes were a joke with the kids I went to school with. School
> > uniform or Woods jeans were OK but M&S clothes had no street cred:)

> When I was very young we couldn't have afforded street cred let alone know
> what it was <g>

I think we still had it but it took a different form - not sure what but I
agree, families could not afford it to be <new> clothes, you had what you
were given and that was that. I do remember a girl in my class in school
(8ish yrs old?) who, AIRI, wore clothes which were in some way "poorer"
than most, maybe an old person's cardigan or some such over a safetypinned
skirt. She was deemed "dirty" by the rest of the class although maybe the
family simply couldn't afford anything except other people's castouts; she
generally had no friends and, from this viewpoint, I'm a bit ashamed to
admit I took the majority view.

Jane
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[Jane Gillett]

In article <v7mmp890ctd8fvtj0...@4ax.com>,
Mike.. . . . <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Following a post by Jane Gillett

> >> Yet more evidence that, at corporate level, Tesco is full of sh+t.
> >
> >Despite my criticism of smkts I don't actually agree. You have to look at
> >it in the light of Tesco's business objectives which will be mainly a
> >combination of return for shareholders and positioning the business in the
> >best way for future trading position.

> like every business, big or small

Of course. Problem is that people see supermarkets as being in business to
provide food and sell you what you want.

> >One of their most important assets in
> >this is what the customer will buy so they use it to T's best advantage.
> >The fact that it sometimes doesn't seem to do what seems best for the
> >customer is beside the point; that's not what they are in business for.

> Which shop is in business for the customer rather than the owner?

Precisely.

> the reason capitalism works fairly well is that it responds to the
> public. Tesco was very early in pushing healthy eating. As in this
> case, before Mr Average saw it as an issue

Don't know about the longer past. Recently, it coincides with a general
ethos towards "healthy eating" - quoted if not general adhered to.
Supplying items which go along with healthy eating, alongside the things
people <really> buy is a good customer attraction.

> *If* they don't deliver on this criticism will be fair.
> Lets see what happens.

Keep your data safe.

Cheers
Jane

[Jane Gillett]

In article <n3knp8tstronfurvu...@4ax.com>,
Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:46:59 +0200, "Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at>
> wrote:

> >On 21 May 2013 11:26:15 GMT, vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote in post :
> ><news:b013un...@mid.individual.net> :

> >
> >> In the mid-80s we would get a school uniform 'grant', which was a voucher
> >> that could be spent in any shop (that took them), but it all had to be

> >> from the same shop as you couldn't split it. So we had to go out and
> >> work out where to go so that we could buy /everything/, as cheaply as
> >> possible, but all together.
> >
> >In the 70s too. There were only one or two shops that provided blazers for
> >our school, and so it was easy to get the whole lot in one go. They had
> >different qualities/prices of course.

> We had the choice of one shop and one quality that was rubbish at a
> high quality price.

Our school recognised that uniform could be expensive for some families so
they made it flexible while still "uniform".

Colour navy.
Essentials: A beret with school badge and a gaberdine mac. Oh, also navy
knickers.
For school attendance: Navy skirt or gymslip
White or cream blouse
Navy "woolly".
Black or brown shoes and white/fawn/navy socks.
No jewellry.

The policy was no particular style so shops could not charge high
for "specific " uniform.

[Jane Gillett]

In article <b016mv...@mid.individual.net>,

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:


> "Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

> news:sdimp8tp6ijbqlrcv...@4ax.com...

> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 10:47:32 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

> >>news:or9mp8h50r63c157s...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:47:39 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >>> <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Owain" <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:f20b200b-bfc3-44d2...@eo6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On May 20, 10:44 am, "Ophelia" wrote:
> >>>>>> food promotions will be tailored to stop encouraging people to
> >>>>>> buy large amounts of food with a short shelf life."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll die of starvation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My freezer is filled with large amounts of food with an allegedly
> >>>>> short shelf life, reduced to about 25p.
> >>>>
> >>>>Probably all talk!
> >>>
> >>> and M&S trousers.
> >>
> >>You mean NO M&S trousers ... <g>
> >
> > As in all fur and no knickers? :)

> I thought was red hat ...
> --

ISTR somebody saying it was red shoes - after I'd just bought a pair...

[Jane Gillett]

In article <b00u5t...@mid.individual.net>,

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:


> "Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message

> news:or9mp8h50r63c157s...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:47:39 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>"Owain" <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
> >>news:f20b200b-bfc3-44d2...@eo6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On May 20, 10:44 am, "Ophelia" wrote:
> >>>> food promotions will be tailored to stop encouraging people to
> >>>> buy large amounts of food with a short shelf life."
> >>>
> >>> I'll die of starvation.
> >>>
> >>> My freezer is filled with large amounts of food with an allegedly
> >>> short shelf life, reduced to about 25p.
> >>
> >>Probably all talk!
> >
> > and M&S trousers.

> You mean NO M&S trousers ... <g>

> --
Ah. A dispute - like when knickers came in for women, open-drawers v closed
drawers, and both the "goodies" and the "badies" thought they were immoral
or at least a bad idea - the badies that they got in the way and the
goodies that weren't needed if you lived a "good" life. Anyway, I can't
really see how "open drawers" got in the way.

You'll know all this, of course, if you are old enough to have and have
seen "Oh Calcutta".

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
>> Remember the good old days when it was always sunny and warm at
>> Whitsun? We've just had the wettest coldest Whitsun that I can
>> remember.
> Indeed:)) Probably wishful thinking, but I always remember school holidays
> as hot and sunny:)

I remember the one summer holiday I spent living in Cambridge (1984 summer) being
unpleasantly sunny - having moved from Up North, where we were lucky if the pond
had defrosted by June.

Oddly, I don't remember any other summers from school time. Presumably because
they were non-memorable, and we are programmed to remember exceptions.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Tim C. <spam...@tele2.at> wrote:
>> I have absolutely no problem at all with there being no flying. And I
>> am happy to go back to a telephone and a letter rather than email, yes.
> You don't have to go back to them. If they're so good, why do you not use

> them all the time? Nobody made you leave them by the wayside.

But the fact that they are used by everyone* means that yes, I am actually
'forced' to use them. For example, if I tell my manager that I am going to
send a letter to the person that wants to know the answer to something, I
suspect she would not be entirely happy; If flying was not the expected way
of travelling, more would be provided for non-flying options; etc.

It's a bit Pandora's Box, really.

> Where you had to book an intercontinental call a week in advance for a
> fixed time, and get the operator to connect to Europe or even a long
> distance national call? Ah, the good old days.

I do not believe I said anything about 'going back to a time before I was born'.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.ku.invalid> wrote:
> I would miss Skype. I love seeing and chatting to my grandchildren in
> Germany.

I've never used Skype, not going to miss that.

[Tim C.]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:11:48 +0100, Jane Gillett wrote in post :
<news:534fba89d...@higherstert.co.uk> :

> I do remember a girl in my class in school
> (8ish yrs old?) who, AIRI, wore clothes which were in some way "poorer"
> than most, maybe an old person's cardigan or some such over a safetypinned
> skirt. She was deemed "dirty" by the rest of the class although maybe the
> family simply couldn't afford anything except other people's castouts; she
> generally had no friends and, from this viewpoint, I'm a bit ashamed to
> admit I took the majority view.

There was a boy in one of my primary school classes very much like that. I
too took the majority view. I have pangs of guilt about it even now.

--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>To me the Eighties is yesterday. Are you by any chance Blondie?
> Vicky is definitely not Lulu or Twiggy.

!!!!

[Tim C.]

On 22 May 2013 12:28:46 GMT, vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote in post :
<news:b03rvu...@mid.individual.net> :

>> Where you had to book an intercontinental call a week in advance for a
>> fixed time, and get the operator to connect to Europe or even a long
>> distance national call? Ah, the good old days.
>
> I do not believe I said anything about 'going back to a time before I was born'.

I don't know when you were born. I remember those things though.
I remember once booking - getting my mother to do it - a call to Germany to
talk to my pen-pal.