Global warming stopped 16 years ago - says Daily Mail

[BAC]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Has Angus missed this story?

[Graham Seed]

"BAC" <cass...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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> Has Angus missed this story?

I prefer the graph on the intermediate page of this site. Look at the Raw
Data v ENSO graph. Its a pretty poor ploy to start your argument in 1997,
but then thats what we've come to expect of the Mail.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm


Graham

[John M.]

On Oct 15, 11:57 am, "BAC" <cassw...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming...

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> Has Angus missed this story?

You obviously didn't, Brian. So what's your take on it?

[John M.]

On Oct 15, 1:10 pm, "Graham Seed" <gra...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "BAC" <cassw...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> news:RZqdnSQrBNyWQ-bN...@giganews.com...>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming...

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> > Has Angus missed this story?
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> I prefer the graph on the intermediate page of this site. Look at the Raw
> Data v ENSO graph. Its a pretty poor ploy to start your argument in 1997,
> but then thats what we've come to expect of the Mail.
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> http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm
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> Graham

The Met Office were very swift to offer a rebuttal. The mathematical
fallacy that Rose exploited, and which the MO debunked, would play
well with innumerate Daily Mail readers.

[BAC]

"John M." <jmorgan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I didn't read it, apart from the headline and the first few sentences, so
"no comment" on the story. Nowadays, I take all pronouncements on 'climate
change', whether warmist or denialists, with the proverbial pinch of salt.
Que sera, sera, as the old song went ....

[BioRe...@speciesrecorder.rjseago.com]

In article <Cq6dnZ5rbpWt3RzN...@giganews.com>, BAC

Does that include the record low ice coverage in the Arctic Ocean?

[John M.]

On Oct 19, 1:59 pm, "BAC" <cassw...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
> "John M." <jmorgan1234...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Does that apply 'across the board'? Do you vote, or do you see our
supposed "choice" of government as meaningless [Guess how I see
it :-)) ]

[BAC]

"John M." <jmorgan...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I don't believe a 'choice' between which of the two main UK parties is to
take all our decisions for the next four or five years is particularly
meaningful, and I certainly don't subscribe to the fiction that an elected
government has a mandate for every policy it claims to have been mentioned
somewhere in its manifesto. But there are far worse systems. Wasn't it
Churchill who said something along the lines of 'democracy is the worst
possible system of government - except for all the rest'?

[BAC]

<BioRe...@speciesrecorder.rjseago.com> wrote in message
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I am not in a position to dispute factual observations such as ice coverage
or global temperature statistics. It's the 'spin' that various pressure
groups put on the interpretation of such data that I have a problem with.

[amacm...@aol.com]

Indeed, I did.

It seems there is more doubt being cast over climate change by the
scientific community than ever before.

[John M.]

Yet apparently he subscribed to one of "the rest". Unless you happen
to think FPTP ballots are democracy, of course :-))

[BioRe...@speciesrecorder.rjseago.com]

In article <aqKdnfBvIO8AixjN...@giganews.com>, BAC

<cass...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:

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> >> You obviously didn't, Brian. So what's your take on it?
> >
> >> I didn't read it, apart from the headline and the first few
> >> sentences, so "no comment" on the story. Nowadays, I take all
> >> pronouncements on 'climate change', whether warmist or denialists,
> >> with the proverbial pinch of salt. Que sera, sera, as the old song
> >> went ....
> >
> > Does that include the record low ice coverage in the Arctic Ocean?
> >

> I am not in a position to dispute factual observations such as ice
> coverage or global temperature statistics. It's the 'spin' that various
> pressure groups put on the interpretation of such data that I have a
> problem with.

I challenge you if you get the Daily Mail just to note what they say over
time. You don't need to be a scientist to see the inconsistencies.

[BAC]

<BioRe...@speciesrecorder.rjseago.com> wrote in message
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I am amused you should imagine that an old cynic like me would accept any
media output as unbiased :-)

[BioRe...@speciesrecorder.rjseago.com]

In article <GpKdnVlQ4MJ-NBrN...@giganews.com>,

BAC <cass...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:


> > I challenge you if you get the Daily Mail just to note what they say
> > over time. You don't need to be a scientist to see the
> > inconsistencies.
> >

> I am amused you should imagine that an old cynic like me would accept
> any media output as unbiased :-)

But it is informative to look at all sides. The deniers as much as the
scientists caused me to come of the fence several years ago now.

And I believe the matter is very serious.

[BAC]

<BioRe...@speciesrecorder.rjseago.com> wrote in message
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Even if it is, there's nothing an individual, or even a nation like the UK,
can do which is likely to have any significant effect on the outcome.

[John M.]

On Oct 25, 4:26 pm, Malcolm <Malc...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <WYqdnXejx5HXrhTNnZ2dnUVZ7v-dn...@giganews.com>, BAC
> <cassw...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> writes
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> >>   BAC <cassw...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
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> >>> > I challenge you if you get the Daily Mail just to note what they say
> >>> > over time.  You don't need to be a scientist to see the
> >>> > inconsistencies.
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> >>> I am amused you should imagine that an old cynic like me would accept
> >>> any media output as unbiased :-)
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> >> scientists caused me to come of the fence several years ago now.
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> >Even if it is, there's nothing an individual, or even a nation like the
> >UK, can do which is likely to have any significant effect on the
> >outcome.
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> Publicise and lobby.

Yes, I think Brian is being overly pessimistic about individual
actions. The recent successes scored by on-line groups such as Change,
Avazz and 38 Degrees shows that collectives of isolated individuals
can spontaneously form and be effective.

In the matter of climate change, it may need these kinds of campaigns
to step up a gear or three, but who'd have thought 5 years ago they
would've had any influence on anything?

[BAC]

"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <WYqdnXejx5HXrhTN...@giganews.com>, BAC
> <cass...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> writes

> Publicise and lobby.
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Like Chicken Little?

[amacm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:53:48 +0100, "BAC"
<cass...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:

Gosh! Was that really five years ago?

I haven't looked at this ng for some time. I see it's dominated by
some freak even worse that MAO :-)

Seriously, if your still around Brian, I have noticed in the last
couple of years a tremendous increase in plant growth. Is that nature
taking care of the increase in C02?

[Malcolm Ogilvie]

Good heavens! Angus is still alive and still reading this ng.

He will doubtless be delighted to learn of the several recent good news stories about the
comeback of the Red Squirrel, including in Northjmberland where, not that long ago, Angus
was saying that someone who was doing something about the problem by killing large numbers
of Greys would fail and that the grey squirrels were still there and would quickly build
up in numbers again. I think he chistened him "Rambo". Angus must know about this latest
story because it was in the Daily Mail just last Friday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4908492/Red-squirrels-make-remarkable-comeback.html?ITO=1490

Wonderful news, as I'm sure Angus will agee - won't you Angus?

Malcolm

[amacm...@aol.com]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:48:00 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie
<MAOg...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:

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>Good heavens! Angus is still alive and still reading this ng.
>
>He will doubtless be delighted to learn of the several recent good news stories about the
>comeback of the Red Squirrel, including in Northjmberland where, not that long ago, Angus
>was saying that someone who was doing something about the problem by killing large numbers
>of Greys would fail and that the grey squirrels were still there and would quickly build
>up in numbers again. I think he chistened him "Rambo". Angus must know about this latest
>story because it was in the Daily Mail just last Friday.
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4908492/Red-squirrels-make-remarkable-comeback.html?ITO=1490
>
>Wonderful news, as I'm sure Angus will agee - won't you Angus?
>
>Malcolm

Ho Ho Malcolm. You're not dead after all! A wikipaedia page
suggested you'd died but didn't give a date. Perhaps they meant from
the neck up :-)

It must be nearing grant time. The red squirrel wallas always trot out
a limited success story to keep the gravy train on the rails.

[Malcolm Ogilvie]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:01:10 +0100, amacm...@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:48:00 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie
><MAOg...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>>Good heavens! Angus is still alive and still reading this ng.
>>
>>He will doubtless be delighted to learn of the several recent good news stories about the
>>comeback of the Red Squirrel, including in Northjmberland where, not that long ago, Angus
>>was saying that someone who was doing something about the problem by killing large numbers
>>of Greys would fail and that the grey squirrels were still there and would quickly build
>>up in numbers again. I think he chistened him "Rambo". Angus must know about this latest
>>story because it was in the Daily Mail just last Friday.
>>
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4908492/Red-squirrels-make-remarkable-comeback.html?ITO=1490
>>
>>Wonderful news, as I'm sure Angus will agee - won't you Angus?
>>
>>Malcolm
>
>Ho Ho Malcolm. You're not dead after all! A wikipaedia page
>suggested you'd died but didn't give a date. Perhaps they meant from
>the neck up :-)
>
>It must be nearing grant time. The red squirrel wallas always trot out
>a limited success story to keep the gravy train on the rails.
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And, as you haven't denied, the grants have been very well spent with large numbers of
greys dispatched and increasing numbers of reds in several areas. These are success
stories, Angus, which must stick in your throat after all the time and effort you expended
in defending the indefensible.

Here's some more reading for you.

https://scottishsquirrels.org.uk/

Isn't it about time you admitted that your defence of the indefensible has failed and that
all that nonsense yoiu spouted here about sea levels, floods and Doggerland was just that,
nonsense? And after I had exposed that it was all nonsense, I suppose it is no wonder you
withdrew from this ng:-)

And doubtless your (evidenceless) claim that a Wikipedia page suggested I had died was yet
another example of wishful thinking on your part!

Malcolm

[amacm...@aol.com]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:23 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie

Wrong on all counts, Malcolm. The greys are doing just fine.

And

https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&q=dr+malcolm+ogilvie&oq=dr+malcolm+ogilvie&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0i22i30k1.2945.11047.0.19302.18.18.0.0.0.0.120.1773.10j8.18.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.18.1769...0j46j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i3k1.0.lgMHLu1lgtM

How do you manage to get so many things wrong so often?

[Malcolm Ogilvie]

And, as usual throughout years of making claims on this ng, Angus produces yet another
claim for which he offers no evidence whatsoever.

>And
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>https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&q=dr+malcolm+ogilvie&oq=dr+malcolm+ogilvie&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0i22i30k1.2945.11047.0.19302.18.18.0.0.0.0.120.1773.10j8.18.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.18.1769...0j46j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i3k1.0.lgMHLu1lgtM
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>How do you manage to get so many things wrong so often?

Whay hey! Angus is stalking me :-)))) What a pathetic little man he is to be reduced to
doing that.

Please do indicate which one suggests I've died, as you claimed above. And please also
notice that the great majority of the links are not about me - though perhaps you're not
bright enough to realise that :-)

I'm very flattered that you're stalking me, Angus, though it does confirm that you are a
busted flush without any evidence to back up your claims about the red squirrel not being
a native species, which it most certainly is, and unable to defend any of your ludicrous
claims I mentioned about sea levels, floods and Doggerland.

Malcolm

[Malcolm Ogilvie]

Oh well, Angus's return to the ng didn't last long. Indeed, only until he was asked to
produce evidence that he didn't have.

Pity, really, because I am sure he would have wanted to know that Storm Petrels have
returned to the Shiants in The Minch for the first time for many years, just a couple of
years after the introduced non-native Black Rats were exterminated, something that only
Angus and a handful of animal rights nutters objected to.

Malcolm