"Duman Family Must Stay" Campaign update
The Technical Manager
> "Duman Family Must Stay" Campaign update
>
>
>
> The Kurdish family of Metin and Sahile Duman and their four children,
> Mazlum (12), Nazim (10), Ali (6) and Inan (2) came to England from
> Germany three years ago. Settled in Downham, South East London, the
> boys have made enormous progress at Forster Park Primary School and
> Crofton School. The family had left Turkey because, as Kurds, they had
> suffered years of harassment and discrimination. Mr & Mrs Duman do not
> want their children to suffer like they did. If they are removed from
> Britain, their educational progress would suffer, and they would be
> torn from their schools and the many friends they have made
> here.<o:p</o:p
>
> At the last minute, the second attempt on 10th July to deport the
> Duman family was stopped. We are now in a waiting game, but the family
> still faces uncertainty, as their next appointment in Dover is August
> 7th. Lewisham NUT office is closed from 19th July for the summer
> holiday, so please communicate by email only until September 2nd,
> except for DONATIONS, which will be gratefully received to cover the
> costs of the campaign - see the address below. If you want a copy of
> the current petition, or if you want to be removed from our email
> list, please email a reply. In case you missed it, the previous email
> of July 5th follows:
>
> July 5th - First the good news: after two weeks in detention, Mr Metin
> Duman was given bail on Friday 28th June, and we are delighted that he
> is back with his family again. Now the bad news: Mrs Duman?s claim for
> asylum and human rights was refused on Thursday 4th July. She and her
> dependents are to be deported to Germany on Wednesday morning, 10th
> July. However, her solicitor is making further representations.
>
> We are not about to give up on the Duman family. A vigorous campaign
> by the children?s schools and family supporters helped the local MP,
> Bridget Prentice, to intervene in the case. The family joined the
> recent "Stop the War on Asylum Seekers" demonstration with their
> campaign banner. Fifty three letters and 860 signatures have been sent
> to the Home Office Minister so far. All three local newspapers covered
> the story. Many Year 5 and 6 children at Forster Park School wrote
> moving and persuasive letters. Both head teachers, teachers and the
> primary school governors have given their full support, as well as
> Lewisham NUT and Steve Sinnott, Deputy General Secretary of the NUT.
> Many other individuals have also helped to make a difference.
>
> Anti deportation campaigns can help to turn the tide against the
> scapegoating of asylum seekers. While the government wants to
> segregate the children of asylum seekers, I am proud of the way our
> children and our schools have welcomed them into our community and
> provided a safe place for them to live and to learn. We are determined
> not to rest until the Duman family, and others like them, are allowed
> to remain.<o:p</o:p
>
> Please keep up the pressure on the Home Office to allow the family to
> stay here on compassionate grounds.
>
> For more information, contact The Duman Family Campaign, c/o Lewisham
> NUT Office, Ladywell Leisure Centre, 261 Lewisham High Street, London
> SE13 6NJ. Tel/Fax 020 8314 5270
>
> Email: Duman_Family_Must_Stay (at) yahoo.co.uk
>
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> Read before you judge
Seek asylum in the nearest safe country and not the one with the most
generous benefits system.
Donald Phillips
has more than enough so called asylum seekers as it is. Most of them are
only here for what they can scrounge out of a far too lenient government.
D.Phillips
"The Technical Manager" <tec...@niobiumfive.co.uk> wrote in message
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andy.garner2
> Seek asylum in the nearest safe country and not the one with the most
> generous benefits system.
Yes. Let's add to the human misery in the poor countries that neighbour the
states from which the refugees come, by increasing the number of mouths that
need feeding, and the number of injuries and illnesses that must be healed.
Let's reserve our resources for fat cats and rich westerners. We haven't any
to spare for the needy.
For any Christians, you might look at your Bible and find out what Jesus is
reputed to have said about doing unto others, and about love of other
people. Did he discriminate?
Clark
'Jesus said so' is a lousy moral argument. Here's the beginning of a
better one.
Asylum seekers *do no wrong*: they just want to escape from somewhere
they're badly off, one way or another, to somewhere they believe they'll
be better off. Often, they bring their families too. These Daily Mail
moral pygmies who want to denigrate people as 'bogus', or some such,
need to explain first what is so wrong about wanting a better life for
one's family.
Since asylum seekers do no wrong, it can't be right to discriminate
against them, lock them up, keep them in internment camps ... Can it? So
we shouldn't do it.
[Leave aside the depths of ignorance about levels of social benefits in
Britain's neighbours that are - conventionally, it seems - plumbed by
said D-M-m-p's.]
Bob
User1951
<dgphi...@tesco.net> wrote:
>Send them back to Germany and let them try their luck there.
In the 1930s there were respectable people in this country who said
the same thing about the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany....
The situation of Kurds in many parts of the world is analagous.
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Education Education Education
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weller
Can we all rememeber one fact for a second, Children do not choose where
they are born, we did not choose where we were born, Starving Humans did not
choose to be born into a constant battle for survival, No one chooses to be
born into a war torn or racially oppressive society.
People sit on their throwns and Judge, the arrogance of such fools is
intolerable. Many of us here are educators, Why ? To assist children in
their learning experience, to help to equip them for later life, our
children will often have oppurtunities and choices, we try to prepare them
to succeed. WE ARE LUCKY. In societies where these same chances are not
avaliable to all, should we really expect somebody to stay there and face
abuse, WOULD YOU ? Would you allow your children to be bullied and verbally
and emotionally abused ?
Why are some people so incredibly stupid that they fail to grasp the bigger
picture, all of us here are on a one way ticket to the grave, does it matter
how many cars we have owned, does it matter how many holidays weve had, does
it matter how much our estates are worth; Of course not. What in life can be
more rewarding than helping another human and his family; Nothing can.
"why did they leave Germany?" someone asked. That has nothing to do with
this, It is none of your buissness. We are not talking about some worthless
object, we are talking about a family, the same as your family, the same as
my family.
If you have written a comment, have a read of it, are you proud of your
words ? Are they tinged with supremecy ? Is this a family you are
considering, or Kurds ?? What do you really feel about immigration ? What
are you trying to protect ? Can you see the value of aALL Humans ? Should
Anyone be expected to live an Oppressed Life ?
Wake up and smell the Roses.
Max
StJohn
weller wrote in message ...
>
>"why did they leave Germany?" someone asked.
Not quite. I think you'll find it went like this:
"May I ask why they left Germany?" asked StJohn (sorry, my right to have a
name)
Why should I not be curious? Before I let anyone into my home, I find out
whether they have a right to be there - and whether they are likely to rape
or steal or destroy or upset. Why on earth should they live somewhere like
Germany - refined, friendly, welcoming, - for three years and then decide to
come to England? Aren't you a little curious to know the answer. Were
they thrown out for something we might find unacceptable here? Did they
simply not like the Germans?
I really don't mind helping, teaching or protecting anyone - but please
allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
from potential trouble.
StJohn
weller
"StJohn" <stjohn...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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You have no understanding of the plight of Kurds/turks in many areas of
Germany.
> Before I let anyone into my home, I find out
> whether they have a right to be there - and whether they are likely to
rape
> or steal or destroy or upset. Why on earth should they live somewhere
like
> Germany - refined, friendly, welcoming, - for three years and then decide
to
> come to England?
Like it or not you are displaying terribly racist overtones.
Do you object when new neighbours move into your street, do you want to know
why they left their last abode ??
>but please
> allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
> from potential trouble.
I dont understand the link you are making between immigrants and potential
trouble. (or at least I dont like the link you are making)
>
> weller wrote in message ...
> >
> >"why did they leave Germany?" someone asked.
>
> Not quite. I think you'll find it went like this:
>
> "May I ask why they left Germany?" asked StJohn (sorry, my right to have
a
> name)
>
There is no difference between the questions. Please dont split hairs, it is
a sign of utter defeat.
weller
StJohn
weller wrote in message ...
>
Not quite. I think you'll find it went like this:
Martin Nicholson
>I really don't mind helping, teaching or protecting anyone - but please
>allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
>from potential trouble.
>
>StJohn
>
>
Martin Nicholson, Daventry, UK
International Astronomical Union's Minor Planet Centre - Observatory Code 456
http://www.gcse-ict.info/astronomy/front.htm
weller
"Martin Nicholson" <Mar...@crozet.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> >I really don't mind helping, teaching or protecting anyone - but please
> >allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and
friends
> >from potential trouble.
> >
> >StJohn
> >
> >
> Exactly - well said.
>
> Martin Nicholson, Daventry, UK
>
> I really don't mind helping, teaching or protecting anyone - but please
> allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
> from potential trouble.
>
> StJohn
>
You have no understanding of the plight of Kurds/turks in many areas of
Germany.
> Before I let anyone into my home, I find out
> whether they have a right to be there - and whether they are likely to
rape
> or steal or destroy or upset. Why on earth should they live somewhere
like
> Germany - refined, friendly, welcoming, - for three years and then decide
to
> come to England?
Like it or not you are displaying terribly racist overtones.
Do you object when new neighbours move into your street, do you want to know
why they left their last abode ??
>but please
> allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
> from potential trouble.
I dont understand the link you are making between immigrants and potential
trouble. (or at least I dont like the link you are making)
>
> weller wrote in message ...
> >
> >"why did they leave Germany?" someone asked.
>
> Not quite. I think you'll find it went like this:
>
> "May I ask why they left Germany?" asked StJohn (sorry, my right to have
a
> name)
>
StJohn
weller wrote in message ...
>
>
>You have no understanding of the plight of Kurds/turks in many areas of
>Germany.
>
FYI, I have lived in Altona, Hamburg (big Turkish population) and still have
strong ties there.
>
>Do you object when new neighbours move into your street,
No. But I might vet them before allowing them free access to my
house/children.
>do you want to know
>why they left their last abode ??
Does this imply that you *don't* speak to your neighbours - perhaps trying
to find some common ground? If anyone one moves around here they ARE spoken
to which, not unnaturally, involves asking the occasional question.
Max
>
> Not quite. I think you'll find it went like this:
>
> "May I ask why they left Germany?" asked StJohn (sorry, my right to have
a
> name)
>
out
> whether they have a right to be there - and whether they are likely to
rape
> or steal or destroy or upset. Why on earth should they live somewhere
like
> Germany - refined, friendly, welcoming, - for three years and then decide
to
> they thrown out for something we might find unacceptable here? Did they
> simply not like the Germans?
>
> allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
> from potential trouble.
>
> StJohn
>
Please read my post, and then think.
You have no understanding of the plight of Kurds/turks in many areas of
Germany.
> Before I let anyone into my home, I find out
> whether they have a right to be there - and whether they are likely to
rape
> or steal or destroy or upset. Why on earth should they live somewhere
like
> Germany - refined, friendly, welcoming, - for three years and then decide
to
> come to England?
Like it or not you are displaying terribly racist overtones.
Do you object when new neighbours move into your street, do you want to know
why they left their last abode ??
>but please
> allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
> from potential trouble.
I dont understand the link you are making between immigrants and potential
trouble. (or at least I dont like the link you are making)
>
> weller wrote in message ...
> >
> >"why did they leave Germany?" someone asked.
>
> Not quite. I think you'll find it went like this:
>
> "May I ask why they left Germany?" asked StJohn (sorry, my right to have
a
> name)
>
>There is no difference between the questions. Please dont split hairs, it
is
>a sign of utter defeat.
>weller
I include my previous post, you seemed to have missed the most important
points.
I wasnt under the impression that you intended to invite this family around
for a cup of tea and a chat, so i still dont understand the relevance of the
fact that you feel you have the right to pry into their lives.
To quote your goodself "I really don't mind helping, teaching or protecting
anyone - but please
allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
from potential trouble.", again I ask you, why do you fell that such people
will cause trouble?
If you have indeed lived in Germany then you must surely understand the
problems that the turkish/kurdish population has faced, eg no nationalty
procedure etc.
As for my neighbours, we get along just fine, in fact we now have our own
Ave.'s football team, I do not however pry into their backgrounds, operative
word being pry.
Go home, Polish your Medal and try to engage your brain before typing in
future.
Weller
Ps dont split hairs
StJohn
Max wrote in message ...
>I wasnt under the impression that you intended to invite this family around
>for a cup of tea and a chat,
Funnily enough, it's our turn for the estate barbecue this weekend - and
we're a pretty mixed bunch (my next door neighbour *is* a Turkish Kurd)
errr. so there! :-)
>so i still dont understand the relevance of the
>fact that you feel you have the right to pry into their lives.
I dunno - 'pry' is such an emotive word. I prefer 'show an interest in
their past experiences and compare them to ours'. Nicer, I'm sure you'll
agree.
>To quote your goodself "I really don't mind helping, teaching or protecting
>anyone - but please
>allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
>from potential trouble.", again I ask you, why do you fell that such people
>will cause trouble?
I don't assume anything, unlike you. But I am naturally curious.
>If you have indeed lived in Germany then you must surely understand the
>problems that the turkish/kurdish population has faced, eg no nationalty
>procedure etc.
I was not surprised when I looked up the dictionary definition of
'nationality'. They (themselves) ought to have no need to apply as they
have nationality elsewhere. Their offspring, of course, will be a
different case.
>As for my neighbours, we get along just fine, in fact we now have our own
>Ave.'s football team, I do not however pry into their backgrounds,
operative
>word being pry.
Discussed and, I suppose, agreed to disagreed on earlier.
>Go home, Polish your Medal
To which medal do you refer?
>and try to engage your brain before typing in
>future.
Now that's not very friendly!
StJohn
StJohn
Max wrote in message ...
>I wasnt under the impression that you intended to invite this family around
>for a cup of tea and a chat,
Funnily enough, it's our turn for the estate barbecue this weekend - and
we're a pretty mixed bunch (my next door neighbour *is* a Turkish Kurd)
errr. so there! :-)
>so i still dont understand the relevance of the
>fact that you feel you have the right to pry into their lives.
I dunno - 'pry' is such an emotive word. I prefer 'show an interest in
their past experiences and compare them to ours'. Nicer, I'm sure you'll
agree.
>To quote your goodself "I really don't mind helping, teaching or protecting
>anyone - but please
>allow me to ask a few questions that I might protect my family and friends
>from potential trouble.", again I ask you, why do you fell that such people
>will cause trouble?
I don't assume anything, unlike you. But I am naturally curious.
>If you have indeed lived in Germany then you must surely understand the
>problems that the turkish/kurdish population has faced, eg no nationalty
>procedure etc.
I was not surprised when I looked up the dictionary definition of
'nationality'. They (themselves) ought to have no need to apply as they
have nationality elsewhere. Their offspring, of course, will be a
different case.
>As for my neighbours, we get along just fine, in fact we now have our own
>Ave.'s football team, I do not however pry into their backgrounds,
operative
>word being pry.
Discussed and, I suppose, agreed to disagreed on earlier.
>Go home, Polish your Medal
To which medal do you refer?
>and try to engage your brain before typing in
>future.
Now that's not very friendly!
StJohn
weller
"StJohn" <stjohn...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
>
> >
> >You have no understanding of the plight of Kurds/turks in many areas of
> >Germany.
> >
>
>
> FYI, I have lived in Altona, Hamburg (big Turkish population) and still
have
> strong ties there.
>
Did you really.
Please read
Kosovan-Albanians and Kurds under threat
The three Kosovo-Albanians who died in 1998 were all expelled from Germany
which has refused to implement a nationwide ban on deportations to Kosovo.
The German government and criminal justice system also seems to take the
view that it is safe to send Kurds back to Turkey. It is ironic that a
country which lectures the United States for its barbaric execution of two
German citizens convicted of murder is only too willing to send Kurds back
to Turkey where the death penalty is practised too. German refugee groups
have drawn attention to a series of court rulings which effectively deny
that Kurds are politically persecuted, and Amnesty International has
highlighted the case of 8 deported Kurds tortured by the military in Turkey.
For instance
and the full print
http://www.carf.demon.co.uk/deaths98/
Next time you go somewhere on holiday open your eyes and have a look around
weller