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Jo
this?
You see, it's idiots like the originator of this thread that make me
worry about the validity/respectability of my Open Uni degree (BA Hons
Psychology, that I'm due to start studying in January). I'm concerned
that most employers may think "Ah, Open Uni .. anyone could have done
that for her - those who awarded her this degree never even met her..."
Since I am new to Open Uni, can anyone explain to me how exams (if any)
are taken? What are the structures in place to prevent plagiarism and
thus add some credibility to my achievements?
Personally I believe it's pretty hard to plagiarize an entire degree -
you might get away with paying for an assignment or two, but if you
actually had the resources to pay someone to do the entire thing for
you, then surely your lack of knowledge will be revealed in the end
when you use your new degree to get hired somewhere? Do you think that
companies who hire Open Uni graduates are more likely to test them to
rule this out?
I have already done a degree the traditional way, by actually attending
uni, and I don't see what difference there is - I mean, the major part
of my assessment was written essays, and if I had the money I could
easily have paid people to create them for me. But I would have been
caught out in the 3 years at some point, I am sure of it.
Jo
Guess who
>Since I am new to Open Uni, can anyone explain to me how exams (if any)
>are taken?
I can't answer specifically, but did take an "extension" course from a
well-know established day-course university hereabouts. Already
degreed through a well-known day-university, I took it to simply keep
the mind busy, as well as to learn something new to me at the time.
All contact then was by mail. The exam was individual, supervised by
some authority [teacher, priest, ...] and rules of conduct strictly
adhered to. The exam was rigorous.
What matters is university reputation in the working world. That
recognition is a problem for the university adminstration.
Plagiarism? It happens in day-school as well. My personal opinion is
that anyone who does so cheats only themselves. Education is not
taking courses and getting a mark. It is the accumulation of
knowledge and skill. Plagiarism offers neither.
Ruth
> Since I am new to Open Uni, can anyone explain to me how exams (if any)
> are taken?
OU exams are taken in the same way as any other exams - at an exam
centre, with invigilators - having just finished mine for this year, I
can tell you categorically that this is the case :O) Just like being
back at school....
Some OU courses don't have formal exams, but the 'examinable component'
of the course is a project report of some sort - bit like a
dissertation, I guess, but not as long. So, in the same way that you
could get someone to do your dissertation for you, you could, in theory,
get someone to do your project for you....
Susan Ashton
<BoH...@gmail.com> writes
>Since I am new to Open Uni, can anyone explain to me how exams (if any)
>are taken? What are the structures in place to prevent plagiarism and
>thus add some credibility to my achievements?
>
As I'm sure you already know, your degree is made up of a number of
courses, each of which is examined separately, by either exam or
assignment.
If your course has a final exam it will be taken under full exam
conditions in a central location, just like any other university does
exams. You have to show photo ID to be admitted to the exam hall. If
it's an end of course assignment instead, a copy will be sent to your
tutor who has marked your previous written work so s/he can certify that
they agree it's your own work.
As to the course work, you will have to submit a form with each written
assignment, asserting that it's your own work. If they catch you
plagiarising you are out. They use some form of anti-plagiarism
software which apparently can tell them where the styles aren't
consistent, or something. Anything which is someone else's words has to
be attributed and referenced.
Believe me, the assessment is every bit as rigorous as a "brick uni" (OU
jargon for a non-OU uni"!) and sometimes it feels more so! Many
employers recognise that to get a degree from the OU you have to be more
hardworking, organised and single-minded (since we are doing it in our
own time and often have a job,house/kids/parents to look after at the
same time, or other commitments).
Be sure to join First Class, the OU conferencing system, and join our
on-line community. You will find subject and course discussion groups,
as well as organisational info, and social chat groups from books to
sports to soaps to just about anything. You can access this through
your student home page (though the downloaded version is better). Many
students say that they find the help and support they get from fellow
students is invaluable.
I hope your first course goes well. Any more questions? Just ask:-)
--
Susan Ashton (maths student)
su...@ashton.demon.co.uk
Jo
I'm glad to know the Open Uni rigourously checks for plagiarism - I
took a lot of pride in refusing even the most well-intentioned offers
of help during my "brick uni" degree (love that expression by the way!)
so as to feel pride in gaining credit for my own hard work.
I'm looking forward to starting my studies in January. I start the
first 2 psychology courses Child Development and Exploring Psychology,
together comprising 120 points, and both last until October.
The only thing bothering me in the back of my mind is the financial
aspect. I work full time and signed up for the OUSBA budget account.
It works out that if all goes to plan I will be paying about £100 /
month for the ten months of the two courses' duration.
I'm would have no problem paying that rate, but I'm worried that they
will refuse my OUSBA agreement at the last minute by running a credit
check. I have had debt problems in the past from my 'brick student'
years, and know that I would fail a thorough credit check. I asked
OUSBA about this and their reply was simply "You have been accepted on
the OUSBA account". That's fine, but I'm concerned that when the
course starts, and the OUSBA arrange to make the first payment on my
behalf, that *then* they will run their credit check and a month before
the course begins tell me I need to pay it all at once or forget about
the course. That would basically end everything because I could not
come up with £1000 in a few weeks and I would have to wait another
year before starting the course. Depressing.
Hopefully they just treat it as any other direct debit bill and not as
'credit' - just like if I had a contract phone and stopped being able
to afford it half way through the agreement they would simply stop
supplying the service. So I'm hoping the Open Uni do this too - that
they just accept your monthly payment without needing to know your
previous 'credit rating' and simply kick you off the course if you stop
paying.
Anyone know how this works?
Jo
Polymath
from the candy-floss variety of the early years, when you could
study 6 different subjects, all at an elementary level, and
still be awarded a degree when the effort expended was no
different to studying for one 'O' level per year for 6 years.
Thus - an OU degree is like 6 'O' levels, all of them in Cookery.
No use at all.
Matalog
"Polymath" <aiyr....@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The other difficulty we have is how to distinguish your degree
> from the candy-floss variety of the early years, when you could
> study 6 different subjects, all at an elementary level, and
> still be awarded a degree when the effort expended was no
> different to studying for one 'O' level per year for 6 years.
>
> Thus - an OU degree is like 6 'O' levels, all of them in Cookery.
> No use at all.
Aren't OU degrees revered because of the self discipline required to
persevere with learning in your own time (usually while working)?
An OU degree can be completed in 3 years if you want, just like any other
degree.
Any one out there who got a job because of an OU degree they completed?
mike.james
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>
> Any one out there who got a job because of an OU degree they completed?
Don't know if it counts as a job by my son got an MSc place and now a Phd
place on the basis of an OU degree.
mikej
pjs2002
"Polymath" <aiyr....@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thus - an OU degree is like 6 'O' levels, all of them in Cookery.
> No use at all.
Not that good an analogy as you can get an O level for 2 hours evening
school study a week over a year. It a bit like saying the a Radio Amateur
licence is at primary level for 9yr olds, and a CB radio course is at 7yr
olds level.
pjs2002
Matalog
"mike.james" <mike....@infomaxgroup.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
Polymath
licence at 6-years-old. It is, in reality, a CBer's licence,
and is known as the "M3/CB Fools' Licence". No _REAL_
Radio Ham worth his salt has anything to do with the
scheme which is widely regarded as a gangrenous
degeneration of a once highly-regarded technical pursuit.
What is astounding is that some grown ups (teachers, even)
baulked at the previous qualification that was set
for 14-year-olds and got licences issued under the
scheme for 6-year-olds. No wonder that standards in
schools are falling when the teachers themselves
demonstrate such an abysmal example of striving for
standards! "Do as I say and not as I do"?
mike.james
>> > Any one out there who got a job because of an OU degree they completed?
>>
>> Don't know if it counts as a job by my son got an MSc place and now a Phd
>> place on the basis of an OU degree.
>> mikej
>>
> As I am hoping to do.
>
I which case I need to warn you that there was a bit it snobbishness from
some of the members of the department that it wasn't as good as an Oxbridge
degree (mainly from the members of the department that had Oxbridge degrees)
but there were enough staff who had encountered the OU
either by teaching on courses or meeting other students to make up for it.
Generally speaking the ones who knew about the OU regarded it as almost
better not worse than a brick university degree.
mikej
anon
Polymath
to extra groups, OM.
Ian Johnston
wrote:
> Thus - an OU degree is like 6 'O' levels, all of them in Cookery.
> No use at all.
Complete rubbish.
Ian
NetKKKop
"Polymath" <aiyr....@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Normal practice to add a comment that you have cross-posted
> to extra groups, OM.
>
Oh My! Look everyone. I have awakended a resident
NetKKKop. *Normal Practice* Oh my Oh my, please
Mr NetKKKop, what is *your* Normal Practice, beyond
making up rules and telling others on Usenet that they must
obey your rules?
ROTFLMAO!
Polymath
An OU degree is complete rubbish.
Ian Johnston
wrote:
> An OU degree is complete rubbish.
Yawn.
Ian
Polymath
is a tedious and boring topic.
Guess who
wrote:
>Normal practice to add a comment that you have cross-posted
>to extra groups, OM.
Normal practice, for clarification, is to have the decency to do a
little editing in your replies.
Do as I do, not just as I say.
Robert Low
> And not only is it complete rubbish, but it
> is a tedious and boring topic.
Then why did you raise it? Surely the
answer couldn't be as simple and straightforward
as the desire to cause offence, could it?
John Smith
"Polymath" <aiyr....@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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Look here to who this poster could be....
http://www.fourelectronics.com/Airy-R-Bean-3590702.html
Peter Kalland
John,
That is the person using the name Polymath is:
http://archive.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/2005/3/10/91923.html
I have watched his activities in another group (which I joined to
explore the idea of introducing amateur radio to some gifted and
talented pupils).
The man seems to have serious problems, try looking under his posting
name of Airy R Bean and you will see what I mean.
Peter.
Polymath
is to be abusive towards them. Another way is to seek
out allies amongst others who have also been abusive.
Neither approach is a reputable one for a schoolteacher,
and you exhibit both approaches in what is quoted below.
If, indeed, you have followed my postings in other groups, then
you will have found that they are entirely in support
of acadaemic standards. If you find such a stance to be
at odds with whatever it is that you stand for, then
perhaps schoolteaching is not for you?
As to problems, what is it that you say are problems that
you would discourage, or even punish, if you found these
traits to be exhibited in your pupils?
Being a free and independent thinker?
Pacifism?
Finding _ALL_ deaths of innocent people to be equally repugnant?
Republicanism?
Liberalism?
Atheism?
Motivation by technical excellence?
A writer of poetry?
Disposed against violence of the plods?
As to the material cited, both have these roots
in one Brian Reay, a sexual pervert who repeatedly
accused me, over a two year period, of having sexual
relations with sheep. Such behaviour is absolutely
disgraceful and no-one who has exhibited such a perverted
obsession in an international public forum should be
employed in _ANY_ capacity in a school, for such a person
is undoubtedly a danger to children.
Where you cite my arrest, perhaps you should also cite that
there was neither charges indicted nor prosecutions resulting.
The behaviour of Brian Reay in attempting to dissemble
his perversion by invoking the plods is yet one more
reason why he should not be employed in any school.
I was not in any way obsessed with Brian's daughters as
he scurrilously claims - I merely asked Brian Reay, in
an attempt to appeal to his better nature as to what his
teenage daughters would make of his public utterings
were they to be aware of them.
If you side with Brian Reay, then perhaps you should ask
yourselves whether you yourselves are also dangers to
schoolchildren? Your resorting to abusive public remarks
alone would indicate, perhaps, that you are unsuitable
to be teachers?
I think it is you who has serious emotional problems
as evidenced by your outburst below, and your pupils will
suffer and also have resultant problems.
John D
traditional, on-campus universities.
I agree with you that it is difficult to "plagiarize" (a very mild term
for what these guys are doing) an entire degree, but it is possible to
do it for a very large and substantial part of a degree program even at
on-campus universities. I can assure you that the risk of being caught
is minimal.
Probably, final exams covering the entire degree program materials
would be a solution to this, otherwise all degrees will soon become
suspect.