Train Soldiers to Teach for Hostile Inner City Schools, Says Think tank
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city schools where discipline is a problem, a thinktank has stated.
The Centre for Policy Studies has stated in a new report that the UK
should develop a system like the Troops to Teachers scheme in the US
to help address the issue of poor behaviour in inner-city schools.
Having ex-soldiers as teachers would offer a number of benefits, the
thinktank says, giving pupils a more rigid discipline structure and
providing ex-servicemen with meaningful employment.
Lord Guthrie writes in the foreword to the report that placing ex-
servicemen in schools is a 'possible answer' to the problems of
increasing violence in schools and inner-city communities.
'It will provide youths with role models who understand discipline and
self-restraint at the time in their lives when they need it most,' he
wrote.
Further to this Lord Guthrie points out that such a scheme has already
seen success in the US and would work well in the UK!
Gaz
> Former soldiers should retrain as teachers and teach pupils in inner
> city schools where discipline is a problem, a thinktank has stated.
>
> The Centre for Policy Studies has stated in a new report that the UK
> should develop a system like the Troops to Teachers scheme in the US
> to help address the issue of poor behaviour in inner-city schools.
>
> Having ex-soldiers as teachers would offer a number of benefits, the
> thinktank says, giving pupils a more rigid discipline structure and
> providing ex-servicemen with meaningful employment.
>
Just goes to show, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. An excellent
idea. These young boys rarely see strong men, they have no contact with
their fathers, the other men in their community are often involved in
criminality and or unemployed. Men are rarely a part of primary school, and
come puberty, young boys in some places have no one to look to, to show them
how to behave.
Gaz
Mick
"Gaz" <gaz...@msn.com> wrote in message
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An excellent idea !
Why is that? Is the Law going to change, will these teachers be able to
restrain them, give corperal punishment, perhaps a clip round the ear. These
kids know that they are untouchable and untill that changes I dont see what
difference it makes who the teacher is or whatever background they have.
Who is this thinktank, are they paid for this, god help us if thats the best
that they can come up with.
GB
JoeSpareBedroom
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You will look at this article and say it's an exception, not something
likely to be repeated elsewhere. But, you will be wrong if you say that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/nyregion/08principal.html
Gaz
You will find that some people, men and women are able to get children to
respect them without hitting them.
> Who is this thinktank, are they paid for this, god help us if thats
> the best that they can come up with.
well come on then lets get your ideas. Hitting children is pretty much a non
starter in the present climate, we have to deal with the world as it is, not
how we wish it to be.
Gaz
> GB
Benj
> Just goes to show, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. An excellent
> idea. These young boys rarely see strong men, they have no contact with
> their fathers, the other men in their community are often involved in
> criminality and or unemployed. Men are rarely a part of primary school, and
> come puberty, young boys in some places have no one to look to, to show them
> how to behave.
Very true. Usually the coach/driving instructor is it. After the our
last female (black) superintendent of schools trashed the system and
they began looking for a new one, one candidate was a male former army
guy. Strong organizational skilz. Strong male role model. Loads of
experience in administration. School board hated the idea. And, you
guessed it hired yet one more black woman for the job. One long-time
"reform-minded" board member (black male) wore army fatigues
thereafter to board meetings in protest until left the board and
died. The anti-male bent in schools is clearly there. The lack of
positive male influence is also strong in the back community as well.
And what happens is we all pay the price for turning our backs on male
kids slipping into non-positive roles. Don't know about demographics
in the Yoo Kay, but here the crime statistics for young black males
says it all.
And oh yeah, while we are at it, how about we go with the Israeli
model and arm all the teachers as well! One more proven effective
policy.
Benj
> You will find that some people, men and women are able to get children to
> respect them without hitting them.
>
> well come on then lets get your ideas. Hitting children is pretty much a non
> starter in the present climate, we have to deal with the world as it is, not
> how we wish it to be.
Sure, in the Yoo Ess military we don't need physical violence to get
respect. I think a little water-boarding will whip those kids right
into line! :)
Mick
In my school days (50's & 60's) teachers were allowed to smack/cane
children who deserved it and we didnt have the problems we have today. Every
parent knows that a smack on the backside of a child does no harm and
teaches them to respect authority.
I dont condone the battering of children and the type of person who does
that will do it anyway regardless of the law.
GB
Frederick Williams
> Having ex-soldiers as teachers would offer a number of benefits, the
> thinktank says, giving pupils a more rigid discipline structure and
> providing ex-servicemen with meaningful employment.
I don't know what a "discipline structure" is, but shouldn't all
teachers enforce discipline, and in the same way? Nor is it the job of
schools to provide "meaningful employment" to anyone except those who
are qualified to do the work or are being trained to do it.
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Mel Rowing
> Israel Did 9/11 wrote:
> > Having ex-soldiers as teachers would offer a number of benefits, the
> > thinktank says, giving pupils a more rigid discipline structure and
> > providing ex-servicemen with meaningful employment.
>
> Just goes to show, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. An excellent
> idea. These young boys rarely see strong men, they have no contact with
> their fathers, the other men in their community are often involved in
> criminality and or unemployed. Men are rarely a part of primary school, and
> come puberty, young boys in some places have no one to look to, to show them
> how to behave.
Some of the best teachers I ever had the honour of working with were
described at the time as "emergency trained". The teaching force had
been depleted by war at a time when the education system was
expanding.
An excellent response was to recruit mainly young men whose academic
career had been cut short by being conscripted into the armed
services. These were put through an intensive training (1 year) before
being placed in schools. Many eventually became heads and some became
inspectors.
They were not famous for standing for nonesense from kids with the
result that the kids didn't just simply respect them. They loved them!
SaPeIsMa
"Frederick Williams" <"Frederick Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>
wrote in message news:47DA7E36...@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid...
> Israel Did 9/11 wrote:
>
>> Having ex-soldiers as teachers would offer a number of benefits, the
>> thinktank says, giving pupils a more rigid discipline structure and
>> providing ex-servicemen with meaningful employment.
>
> I don't know what a "discipline structure" is, but shouldn't all
> teachers enforce discipline, and in the same way? Nor is it the job of
> schools to provide "meaningful employment" to anyone except those who
> are qualified to do the work or are being trained to do it.
>
The problem is that the last 2 crops of teachers were more "progressive" and
"feel-good" types
So they spent more time flattering the sense of self of the students instead
of teaching them
And we can see the result of that in the current generation of slackers
coming out of the school system
Frederick Williams
>
> Former soldiers should retrain as teachers and teach pupils in inner
> city schools where discipline is a problem, a thinktank has stated.
>
> The Centre for Policy Studies has stated in a new report that the UK
> should develop a system like the Troops to Teachers scheme in the US
> to help address the issue of poor behaviour in inner-city schools.
>
> Having ex-soldiers as teachers would offer a number of benefits, the
> thinktank says, giving pupils a more rigid discipline structure and
> providing ex-servicemen with meaningful employment.
It is sometimes commented on (negatively) that schools are increasingly
expected to be part of the social services, the intended victims of such
social services being the pupils. But this seems to be suggesting that
they should be a social service for their employees as well.
> Lord Guthrie writes in the foreword to the report that placing ex-
> servicemen in schools is a 'possible answer' to the problems of
> increasing violence in schools and inner-city communities.
This is truly bizarre: soldiers are more violent than anybody else: it's
their job to kill.
> 'It will provide youths with role models who understand discipline and
> self-restraint at the time in their lives when they need it most,' he
> wrote.
>
> Further to this Lord Guthrie points out that such a scheme has already
> seen success in the US and would work well in the UK!
>
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