Twin and earth or flex?

[Commander Kinsey]

Why do we use twin and earth when flex is only 10% more expensive and a lot easier to connect and route and won't snap if it's bent too often?

[Peeler]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:08:01 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

<FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
attention-baiting sick bullshit unread again>

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damdu...@yahoo.co.uk about Birdbrain Macaw's (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL)
trolling:
"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
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ItsJoanNotJoann addressing Birdbrain Macaw's (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"You're an annoying troll and I'm done with you and your
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AndyW addressing Birdbrain:
"Troll or idiot?...
You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information."
MID: <KaToA.263621$g93.2...@fx10.am4>

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"I've never seen such misplaced pride in being a fucking moronic motorist."
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Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
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Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID: <obru31$nao$3...@dont-email.me>

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DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
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Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID: <op.yy3c0...@dell3100.workgroup>

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Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"the piss poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID: <odqtgc$iug$1...@dont-email.me>

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Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
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JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
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Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
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thekma...@gmail.com asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID: <58ddfad5-d9a5-4031...@googlegroups.com>

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Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander
Kinsey" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID: <59d8b0db...@news.eternal-september.org>

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Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
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Richard to pathetic wanker Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
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cl...@snyder.on.ca about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID: <s5e9uclqpnabteheh...@4ax.com>

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Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a shithole with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
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francis about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
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"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
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Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
"Typical narcissist troll, thinks his shit is so grand he has the right to
try to force it on everyone
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[Brian Gaff]

I thought if bare earth, somebody told me it made sure that any faults that
rubbed on the wire would be earthed, but I never really bought into that one
myself. If you went down that route then we would get a better result using
coaxial cables.
Brian

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[Peeler]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:23:50 +0100, Brainless & Daft, the TV-watching and
pity-baiting senile "blind" mole, blathered again:

> I thought if bare earth,

It's YOU again, you miserable DISGUSTING TV-watching blind mole?

Why don't you useless disgusting cretin hang out in a group for handicapped
useless troll-feeding senile assholes such as you are?

[ARW]

On 28/09/2022 16:23, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I thought if bare earth, somebody told me it made sure that any faults that
> rubbed on the wire would be earthed, but I never really bought into that one
> myself. If you went down that route then we would get a better result using
> coaxial cables.
> Brian
>

I do believe the RoI use a sleeved earth on their T&E.

[Commander Kinsey]

Yes, like the ones underground powering your house, a JCB slices through neutral/earth before it hits live, so the short is within the wire itself.

The bare earth twin and earth cables don't protect as you say, because if the fault rubs the side of the flat cable that has live, it will hit that before earth.

[alan_m]

On 28/09/2022 13:08, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> Why do we use twin and earth when flex is only 10% more expensive and a
> lot easier to connect and route and won't snap if it's bent too often?

Much too easy to mis-connect a multi-stranded wire than a single copper
wire? Much easier to have one strand of a multi-strand wire not in a
screw connector and therefore more potential for shorting to other
connections or another floating strands. Poor stripping of
multi-stranded wire and you lose some of the strands and hence current
carrying capacity.

You could minimise some of the above by fitting ferrules - but at extra
cost and time.

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[Peeler]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:17:37 +0100, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:

> Much too easy to mis-connect a multi-stranded wire than a single copper
> wire?

Much too easy for a senile asshole like you to feed the dumbest, PROVEN
clinically insane attention whore and troll, you typical useless senile
shithead?

[Commander Kinsey]

Any sensible electrician uses an auto stripper which grips perfectly and never damages strands. Then you just twist them and they become one, but bendable.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:17:37 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

Forgot to add, if you put a single copper wire into a grubscrew and have lots of space left over, it can miss the screw and slip off later. Strands spread out under the screw and always get a good grip. I often find sockets done with single wires where they've popped out over time.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:08:21 +0100, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:08:10 AM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Why do we use twin and earth when flex is only 10% more expensive and a lot easier to connect and route and won't snap if it's bent too often?
>

> Inertia? Were receptacles and such originally designed just to have a wire bent around the screw? Stranded wire would've needed a spade end then?

I remember old UK mains plugs (I still use a couple) where the is wrapped round a sticking up screw thread, then a nut is tightened on top. They actually work better with flex, as you just twist the strands, then the result is easily curved into shape. I can't think of any receptacle that would work better with solid wire.

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 17:42:03 +0100, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> On 28/09/2022 16:23, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I thought if bare earth, somebody told me it made sure that any faults that
>> rubbed on the wire would be earthed, but I never really bought into that one
>> myself. If you went down that route then we would get a better result using
>> coaxial cables.
>

> I do believe the RoI use a sleeved earth on their T&E.

And so they should. Pretty stupid to have an earth floating about inside a receptacle. Most decent electricians put an earth sleeve over it.