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ian_c...@my-deja.com

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Apr 24, 2001, 9:27:29 AM4/24/01
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Hi

I'm about to refit the kitchen, and in the short term the oven will be
electric and hob connected via fixed piping.

I'm considering fitting an unused bayonet connector in the kitchen in
case we ever switch back to a gas range or oven, and possibly one in the
utility for a gas tumble dryer (assuming they use the bayonet
connectors: can anyone confirm this?).

I figure the extra expense of fitting these now is small compared with
the hassle of getting a gas fitter to come and do the work if ever it
needed doing.

Are these devices considered suitable cappings for pipes that have no
use in the foreseeable future? If not can I go for compression caps, and
simply switch these for compression bayonets when the time comes? Or
maybe with an isolator valve in the line as well?

I vaguely recall some regulation/thred about dead legs in gas pipework,
but this seems unlikely given the number of capped off gas fire runs
there must be.

TIA
IanC

Stuart Burgess

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Apr 24, 2001, 11:15:01 AM4/24/01
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If I read you correctly you are proposing to fit a bayonet fitting in
case you need it in the future -presumably you will be covering it to
prevent the ingress of dirt and grease as this would hinder the proper
conection when you did come to use it . Wold you not be better and
safer capping the pipe with a capillary end stop and reopening it and
fitting the bayonet when you need it .
I am sure you appreciate that gas work should only be done by a CORGI
reg's installer
Stuart

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Dave Plowman

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Apr 24, 2001, 12:51:49 PM4/24/01
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In article <qs5betcj4cgh2e8va...@4ax.com>,

Stuart Burgess <stu...@shawsMYPANTS2000.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I am sure you appreciate that gas work should only be done by a CORGI
> reg's installer

Bollocks.

* * A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all *
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ian_c...@my-deja.com

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Apr 24, 2001, 3:07:08 PM4/24/01
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Stuart Burgess wrote:
>
> If I read you correctly you are proposing to fit a bayonet fitting in

> case you need it in the future.

Correct.
> Presumably you will be covering it to


> prevent the ingress of dirt and grease as this would hinder the proper
> conection when you did come to use it.

Good idea.

> Would you not be better and


> safer capping the pipe with a capillary end stop and reopening it and
> fitting the bayonet when you need it .

Well I realise soldered is arguably the best closure, but if I was
considering that I'd just leave the bayonet tees out and fit them when
required. The whole point is easy upgradability in future.

> I am sure you appreciate that gas work should only be done by a CORGI
> reg's installer

Wrong, I believe. By the time the occasion comes I'd hope to have the
confidence and competence to tackle the swap myself. I just tryiny to
avoid it completely.

Cheers
IanC

Ed Sirett

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Apr 24, 2001, 3:04:32 PM4/24/01
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ian_c...@my-deja.com wrote in message
<3AE57F41...@my-deja.com>...

>Hi
>
>I'm about to refit the kitchen, and in the short term the oven will be
>electric and hob connected via fixed piping.
>
>I'm considering fitting an unused bayonet connector in the kitchen in
>case we ever switch back to a gas range or oven, and possibly one in
the
>utility for a gas tumble dryer (assuming they use the bayonet
>connectors: can anyone confirm this?).
>
>I figure the extra expense of fitting these now is small compared with
>the hassle of getting a gas fitter to come and do the work if ever it
>needed doing.
>
>Are these devices considered suitable cappings for pipes that have no
>use in the foreseeable future? If not can I go for compression caps,
and
>simply switch these for compression bayonets when the time comes? Or
>maybe with an isolator valve in the line as well?
>
They are considered suitable permanent fittings. The open end should
face downwards to prevent ingress of debris.

As others have posted you could put the pipe work in and finish with a
1/2" plug on the pipe.

AFAIK there is no restriction on dead legs in domestic gas pipework
other than they should not leak and be properly capped/plugged not just
a closed valve.

Ed Sirett
Property Maintainer - North London.

Dave Liquorice

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Apr 24, 2001, 3:43:36 PM4/24/01
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:51:49 +0100, Dave Plowman wrote:

>> I am sure you appreciate that gas work should only be done by a
>> CORGI reg's installer
>
> Bollocks.

Damn beat me to it!

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Stuart Burgess

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Apr 26, 2001, 4:06:02 PM4/26/01
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:07:08 +0100, ian_c...@my-deja.com wrote:

>
>
>
>> I am sure you appreciate that gas work should only be done by a CORGI
>> reg's installer
>
>Wrong, I believe. By the time the occasion comes I'd hope to have the
>confidence and competence to tackle the swap myself. I just tryiny to
>avoid it completely.
>
>Cheers
>IanC

Two previous replies have said "bollocks" to me saying that gas work
should only be done by a CORGI reg'd installer and you appear to be
supporting them. I am not saying I agree with this rule -simply
stating what I believe to be the law . Are you suggesting that is NOT
the case ??
regard

Alan James

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Apr 26, 2001, 4:47:29 PM4/26/01
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"Stuart Burgess" <stu...@shawsMYPANTS2000.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:llvget8f3hkq0jdl3...@4ax.com...

> Two previous replies have said "bollocks" to me saying that gas work
> should only be done by a CORGI reg'd installer

Bollocks is right for DIY, wrong if its for paid work. Either way
competence is required. Refer to Regulation 2, Paragraph 22 of the GSIU
Regs.

Alan

ian_c...@my-deja.com

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Apr 26, 2001, 4:47:53 PM4/26/01
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Stuart Burgess wrote:
>
> Two previous replies have said "bollocks" to me saying that gas work
> should only be done by a CORGI reg'd installer and you appear to be
> supporting them. I am not saying I agree with this rule -simply
> stating what I believe to be the law . Are you suggesting that is NOT
> the case ??


Hi Stuart

Its a bit of a uk.d-i-y old chestnut.

As I understand it, to work on any gas installation you must be
competent , 'competent' being one of those difficult legal words like
'reasonable'. To undertake gas work for any form of reward you must be
CORGI registered.

The main contention point for the group is that like any task a well
read amateur may do the job more diligently (and hence competently) than
a bodge-it-and-scarper professional, CORGI registered or otherwise. And
that CORGI registered fiters are responsible for most accidents, but
that ignores the statistical likleyhood of that since they do most of
the work anyway.

HTH
IanC

Stuart Burgess

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Apr 26, 2001, 5:30:06 PM4/26/01
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Hi Ian -I understand what you are saying and in fact I have done some
gas work in my kitchen myself and was very careful in what I was doing
,probably more careful than a gasfitter.Ii always understood that
no-one other than a Corgi regd was allowed to do this work but thats
probably because thats what you are sposed to think.
cheers

Roger Chapman

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Apr 27, 2001, 9:39:06 AM4/27/01
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The message <qm4hetoumnak60akp...@4ax.com>
from Stuart Burgess <stu...@shawsMYPANTS2000.fsnet.co.uk> contains
these words:

> Ii always understood that
> no-one other than a Corgi regd was allowed to do this work but thats
> probably because thats what you are sposed to think.

IIRC after the law was changed BG sent out a leaflet with the next
gas bill crowing about gas work being henceforth restricted to Corgi
registered plumbers. 6 months later they had to publish (if that is
the right word for such a subdued response) a retraction.

Roger

Dave Liquorice

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Apr 27, 2001, 3:08:25 AM4/27/01
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:30:06 +0100, Stuart Burgess wrote:

> Ii always understood that no-one other than a Corgi regd was allowed
> to do this work but thats probably because thats what you are sposed
> to think.

Your learning and guess which organisation pushes this incorrect
impression the hardest.

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