Help please Moving Aga Cooker
wickwa...@yahoo.co.uk
Has anyone any experience in moving an Aga cooker?
I need to move it 1 foot to the left as part of a kitchen re-fit.
The aga is oil fueled and sits on a low concrete plinth.
I got an estimate from a kitchen company and they ball parked the move
at
around £1,500!!!
It can't be that difficult(?)
Supplementary question: Has anyone ever raised one of the hot-plates.
The
left (hot) one seems to be a couple of mm too low. This means that a
super-large frying pan will not sit on it as in catches on the enamel.
Is it
easy? Do I need an expert? Should it be considered as part of the
move?
TIA
Colin
d...@gglz.com
Is the concrete plinth large enough or does it need to be extended?
Is the move in a direction to shorten or lengthen the oil pipeline?
Is it a balanced flue (cut new hole in the wall) or open flue
(possibly awkward fluepipe)?
Don't go to a kitchen company to get the Aga moved, either phone your
local Aga store and ask them to recommend a local qualified engineer -
or try to find an independent Aga specialist.
On my Rayburn (brand new, not even connected yet), the hotplate sits
on a fire-rope gasket that raises it that little bit - possibly this
is worn/burnt-away/displaced? My hotplate lifts out on 2 hooks, like a
manhole cover - and about the same weight.
wickwa...@yahoo.co.uk
It is dry.
> Is the concrete plinth large enough or does it need to be extended?
No, I guess that the plinth will need to be extended.
> Is the move in a direction to shorten or lengthen the oil pipeline?
The oil pipe would need to be extended.
> Is it a balanced flue (cut new hole in the wall) or open flue
> (possibly awkward fluepipe)?
Open flue.
> On my Rayburn (brand new, not even connected yet), the hotplate sits
> on a fire-rope gasket that raises it that little bit - possibly this
> is worn/burnt-away/displaced? My hotplate lifts out on 2 hooks, like a
> manhole cover - and about the same weight.
I will have a look. I used to have a rayburn in a previous house. I
seem to remember them being different.
I'll see if it moves.
Colin
Terry D
"ple...@replythrunews.group" <wickwa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Colin
Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and hard
to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal? My Tricity Bendix
electric
cooker cost less than £300 and is efficient, nice to look at, reliable and
easy to move. Maybe an Aga could be useful if you have a family of ten, but
otherwise why bother paying £1000+ for what is essentially a cooker.
Terry D.
wickwa...@yahoo.co.uk
> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal? My Tricity Bendix
> electric
I agree. They are hard to justify. Particularly from a green
perspective.
More than my jobs worth to suggest not having it in the new kitchen
though...
Colin
Mackem
> Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and
> hard
> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal? My Tricity Bendix
> electric
> cooker cost less than £300 and is efficient, nice to look at, reliable and
> easy to move. Maybe an Aga could be useful if you have a family of ten,
> but otherwise why bother paying £1000+ for what is essentially a cooker.
>
> Terry D.
It's similar to asking why have a Merc when you could have a Lada.
cal...@hotmail.com
I have moved a few Aga's as part of kitchen refurbs. The most common
method is to dismantle the Aga and then rebuild it, which is most
probably what you have been quote for. I have moved them from one end
of a room to another using the Egyptian method of rolling them on
round bars... although you need alot of bars to endure adequite
support and you need to be starting and finishing at the same level.
In your case the most economical way would be to use a series of
levers on the cast base blate and gently coax it the short distance
required.
Hoping this helps.
Calum Sabey
NewArk Traditional Kitchens
01556 690544
Steve Firth
> > Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and
> > hard to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal?
[snip]
>
> It's similar to asking why have a Merc when you could have a Lada.
No, it's like asking "Why have a Challenger II tank to go down to Tesco
for the shopping?"
Owain
> Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and hard
> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal?
They used less coal and caused less dirt than old "kitchener" ranges.
They were therefore a Good Thing c. 1930.
Owain
The Natural Philosopher
£6500 but its not a cooker
It's a space (and possibly water) heater that you can also cook on and
in. One that carries on when the electricity fails. Which it does here
for extended periods at least once a year.
And as to why people buy em - they like em. I do as well, though
learning to use one is a shade different from other methods.
> Terry D.
>
>
>
>
The Natural Philosopher
>> Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and hard
>> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal? My Tricity Bendix
>> electric
>
> I agree. They are hard to justify. Particularly from a green
> perspective.
>
I think the last phrase is unjustified. They are, as heaters,
considerably more efficient than a normal boiler. VERY little heat goes
up the chimney at all.
The Natural Philosopher
>
> Agas are crap. Expensive, wasteful, space filling crap, at that.
>
>
Expesnive. not wasteful, and if you have the space so what?
AND here are not many boilers and cookers and radioators (which together
cost similar sums of money) that will last 50 years.
S Viemeister
> On 2007-11-12, Terry D <rodney.tr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and hard
>>to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal?
>
>
> Aaaeeeiiii!!!!!! Not again!!!
>
:)
But for some people, in some parts of the country, Rayburns work well.
Mine does the central heating and hot water, as well as the cooking. I
have an airer hung over it, and it dries the laundry, too.
I wouldn't consider one for a dinky little kitchen in the city, but out
in the sticks, in a big kitchen, I find it useful.
Andy Hall
>
> Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and hard
> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal?
There isn't any snob appeal. Either you appreciate the excellent
results that an Aga produces or you don't.
> My Tricity Bendix
> electric
> cooker cost less than £300 and is efficient, nice to look at, reliable and
> easy to move. Maybe an Aga could be useful if you have a family of ten, but
> otherwise why bother paying £1000+ for what is essentially a cooker.
>
You would be out by a factor of about 5 on the price.
In terms of utilisation it is scalable quite readily between 1-2 people
and as many as you like.
The cooking techniques are different to conventional cookers and the
results superior.
Andy Hall
<wickwa...@yahoo.co.uk> said:
>> Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and hard
>> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal? My Tricity Bendix
>> electric
>
> I agree. They are hard to justify. Particularly from a green
> perspective.
Actually they are very easy to justify even from a green perspective,
even if that were important.
>
> More than my jobs worth to suggest not having it in the new kitchen
> though...
Exactly, and don't you forget it :-)
Andy Hall
What a brilliant idea. It would be even better if one can rotate the
gun turret in the carpark in order to secure a parking space.
Andy Hall
> Help...
>
> Has anyone any experience in moving an Aga cooker?
> I need to move it 1 foot to the left as part of a kitchen re-fit.
> The aga is oil fueled and sits on a low concrete plinth.
> I got an estimate from a kitchen company and they ball parked the move
> at
> around £1,500!!!
> It can't be that difficult(?)
If this includes major disassembly and reassembly with new gaskets,
building of new plinth, fuel supply, flue arrangement, then it could
easily be that kind of price.
Over a small distance like this it's possible for the move to be done
with steel rollers, but it requires 3-4 people to do it safely.
>
> Supplementary question: Has anyone ever raised one of the hot-plates.
> The
> left (hot) one seems to be a couple of mm too low. This means that a
> super-large frying pan will not sit on it as in catches on the enamel.
> Is it
> easy? Do I need an expert? Should it be considered as part of the
> move?
>
You could do that. The plates, like most of the internal components
are fitted together with systems of studs and nuts to adjust the
heights. Normally on installation cold the plates are adjusted
slightly low so as to be at the correct height and working temperature.
I would find out if they are proposing to partly disassemble the cooker
to move it. If they are then they will have to adjust it anyway.
The Natural Philosopher
> which was heated solely by a coal fired Rayburn. Since we weren't paying for the
> coal (well, we were, but you see what I mean), I ran that sucker flat out for a
> week. It was a lovely warm house, but I wouldn't have cared to have paid the
> energy costs on a routine basis.
>
> We also rented a house in Cornwall once with an oil-fired Aga.
In SUMMER?
> That was when my
> amused dis-interest in the things turned to loathing. Having to have windows
> open to get the house cool enough to be habitable, even though it was turned
> down as far as possible, was hugely wasteful. We were warned not to turn it off,
> as the previous renters had, due to the difficulty of getting it going again
> (the owners had had to send for an Aga engineer.)
Thats bullshit. I light mine every autumn and kill it every summer.
Generally its when they run out of OIL that you are in deep shit. You
get airlocks in the fuel pipe. And crap in the filters.
Otherwise its simply a question of turning the oil on, waiting ten
minutes and lighting it. These days I don' even open the hole in the
burner ring: Playing a blowtorch over it usually gets enough kerosene
vaporised to have it light with a satisfying 'pop'
It's also interestijng to note
> that all Aga owners I've ever met also have a proper cooker (with sensibly
> shaped ovens!)
>
Actually we do have two electric cookers as well, but we almost NEVER
use the electric OVEN. Its the rings on top that are used.
I think my ideal cooker would be an aga oven with a gas hob actually.
For us the main advantages are that its supremely efficient oil
heater..the oven is very good, and if its output exceeds the needs of
the time of year, off it goes. AND It survives power cuts. In a rural
locations without gas this is a not inconsiderable advantage. Short of a
camping gaz stove, even a cup of coffee is not on, when the trees take a
line out.
I would NOT want to go back to coal though..never ever. coal fired
cooker is better than no cooker at all, but its the worst of all
possible worlds really otherwise.
> Warm towels are not a sufficient benefit for sharing ones living space with
> several tonnes of red hot scrap iron.
>
It's never red hot. If the insulation is in good nick its between 40 and
60C. You can bur yourself on a radiator more easily. Even the hottest
plate is seldom much more than 150C. And that stays covered..
Andy Hall
> Help...
>
> Has anyone any experience in moving an Aga cooker?
> I need to move it 1 foot to the left as part of a kitchen re-fit.
> The aga is oil fueled and sits on a low concrete plinth.
> I got an estimate from a kitchen company and they ball parked the move
> at
> around £1,500!!!
> It can't be that difficult(?)
If this includes major disassembly and reassembly with new gaskets,
building of new plinth, fuel supply, flue arrangement, then it could
easily be that kind of price.
Over a small distance like this it's possible for the move to be done
with steel rollers, but it requires 3-4 people to do it safely.
>
> Supplementary question: Has anyone ever raised one of the hot-plates.
> The
> left (hot) one seems to be a couple of mm too low. This means that a
> super-large frying pan will not sit on it as in catches on the enamel.
> Is it
> easy? Do I need an expert? Should it be considered as part of the
> move?
>
Clive George
news:11948770...@despina.uk.clara.net...
> For us the main advantages are that its supremely efficient oil
> heater..the oven is very good, and if its output exceeds the needs of the
> time of year, off it goes. AND It survives power cuts. In a rural
> locations without gas this is a not inconsiderable advantage. Short of a
> camping gaz stove, even a cup of coffee is not on, when the trees take a
> line out.
The rural solutions for hobs gobs work well - ie bottles or tanks.
cheers,
clive
Terry D
"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message news:47385b17@qaanaaq...
simply applying heat to food for a set period. My oven has a fan which
makes it even more efficient & temperature stable. Perhaps Agas use a
different form of heat! BTW, it is possible to buy a second hand Aga for
less than £1000.
Terry D.
The Natural Philosopher
> "Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message news:47385b17@qaanaaq...
>> On 2007-11-12 10:17:00 +0000, "Terry D" <rodney.tr...@ntlworld.com>
>> said:
>>> Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and
>>> hard
>>> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal?
>> There isn't any snob appeal. Either you appreciate the excellent results
>> that an Aga produces or you don't.
>>
>>
>>> My Tricity Bendix
>>> electric
>>> cooker cost less than £300 and is efficient, nice to look at, reliable
>>> and
>>> easy to move. Maybe an Aga could be useful if you have a family of ten,
>>> but
>>> otherwise why bother paying £1000+ for what is essentially a cooker.
>>>
>>
>> You would be out by a factor of about 5 on the price.
>>
>> In terms of utilisation it is scalable quite readily between 1-2 people
>> and as many as you like.
>>
>> The cooking techniques are different to conventional cookers and the
>> results superior.
>>
> How can the results possibly be superior? Cooking, like chemistry, is
> simply applying heat to food for a set period.
No, its not.
Other factors like humidity and whether the heat is applied via
convection, contact or radiation or internally generated via microwave
penetration make a HUGE difference to the surface at least, of cooked food.
>My oven has a fan which
> makes it even more efficient & temperature stable.
Less efficient since is uses to some extent outside air.
> Perhaps Agas use a
> different form of heat!
Yes, they are.
There is significant radiaties heat from the top oven top, to brown off
food that would otherwise need to be grilled. There is sufficient
retention of moisture to not necessitate foiling or covering many roasts.
If thats all you understand by cooking, Id stick to pot noodles if I
were you.
>BTW, it is possible to buy a second hand Aga for
> less than £1000.
Not installed it aint!
It's possible to buy a gas or electric cooker at more than a new aga
costs as well.
Agas are neiher totally great, nor rubbish. They are radically different
and you cannot compare them directly with anything else. Maybe a
Rayburn..but that's it..
Neither can you cook food on or in them the same way you do with a more
common type of fan blown oven with gas hobs.
You have to understand the beast and take advantage of different techniques.
>
> Terry D.
>
>
Andy Hall
>
> We also rented a house in Cornwall once with an oil-fired Aga. That was when my
> amused dis-interest in the things turned to loathing. Having to have windows
> open to get the house cool enough to be habitable, even though it was turned
> down as far as possible, was hugely wasteful. We were warned not to
> turn it off,
> as the previous renters had, due to the difficulty of getting it going again
> (the owners had had to send for an Aga engineer.)
They probably should have done on a regular basis before since it was
oil fired and required servicing.
My gas one gets serviced once a year by me and consists of turning off,
disconnecting the union, removing the burner assembly, checking and
cleaning and reassembling with a final check on burner pressure.
It's then back up to operating temperature in about 3hrs.
> It's also interestijng to note
> that all Aga owners I've ever met also have a proper cooker (with sensibly
> shaped ovens!)
I do have a proper cooker, but just the one.
>
> Warm towels are not a sufficient benefit for sharing ones living space with
> several tonnes of red hot scrap iron.
It was great for drying chili peppers a few weeks ago.
The cats appreciate it.
Andy Hall
>
> "Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message news:47385b17@qaanaaq...
>> On 2007-11-12 10:17:00 +0000, "Terry D" <rodney.tr...@ntlworld.com>
>> said:
>>>
>>> Can anyone explain the point of these hideous, extremely expensive and
>>> hard
>>> to move Agas & Rayburns, apart from their snob appeal?
>>
>> There isn't any snob appeal. Either you appreciate the excellent results
>> that an Aga produces or you don't.
>>
>>
>>> My Tricity Bendix
>>> electric
>>> cooker cost less than £300 and is efficient, nice to look at, reliable
>>> and
>>> easy to move. Maybe an Aga could be useful if you have a family of ten,
>>> but
>>> otherwise why bother paying £1000+ for what is essentially a cooker.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You would be out by a factor of about 5 on the price.
>>
>> In terms of utilisation it is scalable quite readily between 1-2 people
>> and as many as you like.
>>
>> The cooking techniques are different to conventional cookers and the
>> results superior.
>>
> How can the results possibly be superior?
Very easily.
> Cooking, like chemistry, is
> simply applying heat to food for a set period.
Nope.
> My oven has a fan which
> makes it even more efficient & temperature stable.
Drying out the food and essentially wrecking it.
> Perhaps Agas use a
> different form of heat!
largely radiant
> BTW, it is possible to buy a second hand Aga for
> less than £1000.
and ?
Steve Firth
A JCB Fastrac fitted with a loader would be much more useful. It will
get you there faster, in comfort and can lift the offending chavmobiles
out of the way when it gets there.
Steve Firth
> It's then back up to operating temperature in about 3hrs.
>
<wipes tears of laughter from eyes>
Aga owners, in a permanent state of denial.
Andy Hall
Should I have added the words "and stays there" so that you weren't
confused?
S Viemeister
> On 2007-11-12, S Viemeister <firstname...@which.net> wrote:
>
> We also rented a house in Cornwall once with an oil-fired Aga. That was when my
> amused dis-interest in the things turned to loathing. Having to have windows
> open to get the house cool enough to be habitable, even though it was turned
> down as far as possible, was hugely wasteful. We were warned not to turn it off,
> as the previous renters had, due to the difficulty of getting it going again
> (the owners had had to send for an Aga engineer.) It's also interestijng to note
> that all Aga owners I've ever met also have a proper cooker (with sensibly
> shaped ovens!)
>
>
My Rayburn is shut down for the summer, just as I would shut down any
heating system in hot weather. I think of it as a boiler with extra
abilities.
Mark
"Terry D" <rodney.tr...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ple...@replythrunews.group" <wickwa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1194855611.2...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> Is it a "dry" Aga or is there plumbing involved?
>>
>> It is dry.
>>
>>> Is the concrete plinth large enough or does it need to be extended?
>>
>> No, I guess that the plinth will need to be extended.
>>
>>> Is the move in a direction to shorten or lengthen the oil pipeline?
>>
>> The oil pipe would need to be extended.
>>
>>> Is it a balanced flue (cut new hole in the wall) or open flue
>>> (possibly awkward fluepipe)?
>>
>> Open flue.
>>
>>> On my Rayburn (brand new, not even connected yet), the hotplate sits
>>> on a fire-rope gasket that raises it that little bit - possibly this
>>> is worn/burnt-away/displaced? My hotplate lifts out on 2 hooks, like a
>>> manhole cover - and about the same weight.
>>
>> I will have a look. I used to have a rayburn in a previous house. I
>> seem to remember them being different.
>> I'll see if it moves.
>
>> Colin
>
> hard
> cooker cost less than £300 and is efficient, nice to look at, reliable and
> easy to move. Maybe an Aga could be useful if you have a family of ten,
> but otherwise why bother paying £1000+ for what is essentially a cooker.
More like £6000 for an entry level one.
mark
The Natural Philosopher
No. IIRC the entry level is about £3200
How much did it cost you to put central heating in your 30 sq meter
family kitchen?
> mark
>
>
Terry D
"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
>>> cooker.
>>
>> More like ?6000 for an entry level one.
>>
>
> No. IIRC the entry level is about £3200
>
> How much did it cost you to put central heating in your 30 sq meter family
> kitchen?
>
>> mark
Unfortunately it doesn't cook. The previous boiler lasted 33 years. Will
your Aga still be working in 2040? BTW, I wish I did have a 30 sq meter
kitchen - that's one huge area - 18' x 18' in real units!
Terry D.
The Natural Philosopher
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:119489236...@damia.uk.clara.net...
>>>> cooker.
>>> More like ?6000 for an entry level one.
>>>
>> No. IIRC the entry level is about �3200
>>
>> How much did it cost you to put central heating in your 30 sq meter family
>> kitchen?
>>
>>> mark
> �1800 - which heats the whole house and provides hot water (four bedrooms).
> Unfortunately it doesn't cook. The previous boiler lasted 33 years. Will
> your Aga still be working in 2040?
Almost certainly. In laws coal aga was still going strong after 50
years. Basically there is almost nothing to them- a parrafin stove with
a lot of heat exchangers bolted on it.
> BTW, I wish I did have a 30 sq meter
> kitchen - that's one huge area - 18' x 18' in real units!
>
20x15 feet IIRC. 6.5 meters by 5 and a smidgeon I think.
> Terry D.
>
>
David Hansen
<Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote this:-
>It's also interestijng to note
>that all Aga owners I've ever met also have a proper cooker (with sensibly
>shaped ovens!)
I know one who doesn't. Not even a microwave or electric kettle.
I soon got used to it.
--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
S Viemeister
>
>
How wasteful!
The Natural Philosopher
>
>
Do you have a separate boiler for hot water and central heating too, or
are you like 'two combis' Drivel?
Tim..
>
£1000?!
A new Middle-of-the-range Aga is now somewhere near £7000!!!!
Tim..
The Natural Philosopher
geoff
wickwa...@yahoo.co.uk writes
>Help...
>
>Has anyone any experience in moving an Aga cooker?
I can tell you how my father did it
He left a stone hot water bottle containing water and the stopper
screwed in, in the top oven and forgot about it
Your imagination can prolly supply the rest of the details
--
geoff
Chris
I moved one intact a few years back with the help of my brother in
law.
I striped off the doors Hobs and Hob covers to lighten it
Then with crowbars and rollers got it out off the house. To get it on
a trailer we used an engine lift.
Once its on rollers it moves very easily despite its weight .
You need to check any floors your going to roll it over as it weighs a
lot.
Alternately there are people who will move it for a fee. they come
apart and reassemble OK. One person can do it. You need to
replace/top up some bits like the insulation which get lost/damaged
in transit
Chris
John Stumbles
> I think the last phrase is unjustified. They are, as heaters,
> considerably more efficient than a normal boiler. VERY little heat goes
> up the chimney at all.
Must do otherwise you'd have condensation in the flue and corrosion in the
stove. That's the whole point of condensing boilers: they're designed to
withstand that whereas conventional appliances aren't.
--
John Stumbles
The clairvoyants' meeting has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances.
Andy Hall
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:34:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I think the last phrase is unjustified. They are, as heaters,
>> considerably more efficient than a normal boiler. VERY little heat goes
>> up the chimney at all.
>
> Must do otherwise you'd have condensation in the flue and corrosion in the
> stove. That's the whole point of condensing boilers: they're designed to
> withstand that whereas conventional appliances aren't.
The flue is double skinned and insulated.
The amount of heat is in the < 1kW range for most of the time.
alfs...@gmail.com
fred
Muddymike
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2007 at 8:04:11 AM UTC, Chris wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:58:51 GMT, geoff <ra...@kateda.org> wrote:
>>
>> I moved one intact a few years back with the help of my brother in
>> law.
>>
>> I striped off the doors Hobs and Hob covers to lighten it
>>
beware the fire barrel one is "B" heavy. The most difficult bit is
removing the four chrome disks that cover the top plate retaining bolts.
From then on in its just a case of lifting away the sections.
Mike
