rechargeable tool battery compatibility

[TimW]

The small number of 18v tool batteries and chargers I have *look* the
same but they don't fit each other or the tools. they are labelled
Macallister and Bauker, although the Bauker battery goes in a tool of
some other brand which is *Bauker compatible*.

Are these batteries deliberately made to be not interchangeable, but all
from the same source? If I see a battery on the middle aisle of Lidl or
on ebay which appears to be the same as what I have can I be sure that
it won't fit?. Do compatible batteries exist outside of the Bauker anomaly?

TW

[Andy Burns]

TimW wrote:

> Are these batteries deliberately made to be not interchangeable

In general yes, to keep you bound to their tools.

> Do compatible batteries exist outside of the Bauker anomaly?

There were a few manufacturers that tried to form some sort of
battery-pack alliance, but guess what? the others didn't want to join
(see above)

<https://www.cordless-alliance-system.com>

[Jeff Gaines]

On 03/03/2023 in message <k6e0lh...@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

Interesting.

Pity electric car manufacturers didn't all use the same batteries so we
could drive into a fuel station and swap fresh batteries for flat ones.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Indecision is the key to flexibility

[RJH]

it's all a bit rubbish. If they were all state owned we woudn't have this
problem :-)

Has anybody had any sucess canabalising batteries out of, say, an Aldi and
putting them in a Makita?
--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

[Andy Burns]

RJH wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> <https://www.cordless-alliance-system.com>
>
> it's all a bit rubbish. If they were all state owned we woudn't have this
> problem :-)

It probably makes sense for tool makers, where cordless aren't their
major products, they can just buy in an make the odd tool that fits the
system.

> Has anybody had any sucess canabalising batteries out of, say, an Aldi and
> putting them in a Makita?

There are adapters, but don't some manufacturers have the battery
protection in the tool, others in the battery?

[Theo]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> RJH wrote:
>
> > Has anybody had any sucess canabalising batteries out of, say, an Aldi and
> > putting them in a Makita?
>
> There are adapters, but don't some manufacturers have the battery
> protection in the tool, others in the battery?

Makita is in the tool. I think the Aldi Ferrex system has it in the
battery. Video teardowns show what's inside.

So Aldi battery in a Makita tool is probably fine, but a Makita battery in
an Aldi tool is risky - the Makita batteries can brick themselves if they
detect the voltage has gone too low. I think some of the Chinese knockoff
batteries have the circuit in the battery, which means they're fine to use
with adapters and generic fittings (like lights, USB chargers etc) but not
for the genuine Makita batteries.

It does make some sense to have it in the tool, since there's likely a motor
controller circuit in there anyway - when the battery is low you just
inhibit the motor drive. That saves having to have some chunky MOSFETs to
cut power inside the battery. I'd guess the knockoffs have it in the
battery because some of the knockoff tools are incredibly basic inside -
almost no electronics.

Theo

[Roger Mills]

Possibly. I've got an adapter which allows me to use DeWalt batteries in
Ryobi tools without any problem.
--
Cheers,
Roger

[Tricky Dicky]

You mean something like this?

https://youtu.be/3AlndKQSs6Q

(I think this was featured here before)

Richard

[Chris J Dixon]

Jeff Gaines wrote:

>Pity electric car manufacturers didn't all use the same batteries so we
>could drive into a fuel station and swap fresh batteries for flat ones.

Once you see how they shape the battery pack to make use of all
the space they can, that really doesn't seem a practical solution
for domestic vehicles.

However, if you have a truck, it could be another story:

<htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIh_iaxm3cc>

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
ch...@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

[Chris J Dixon]

Chris J Dixon wrote:

>Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>>Pity electric car manufacturers didn't all use the same batteries so we
>>could drive into a fuel station and swap fresh batteries for flat ones.
>
>Once you see how they shape the battery pack to make use of all
>the space they can, that really doesn't seem a practical solution
>for domestic vehicles.
>
>However, if you have a truck, it could be another story:
>
><htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIh_iaxm3cc>

That would be better if it was correct:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIh_iaxm3cc>

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 03/03/2023 10:42, RJH wrote:
> On 3 Mar 2023 at 10:32:18 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> TimW wrote:
>>
>>> Are these batteries deliberately made to be not interchangeable
>>
>> In general yes, to keep you bound to their tools.
>>
>>> Do compatible batteries exist outside of the Bauker anomaly?
>>
>> There were a few manufacturers that tried to form some sort of
>> battery-pack alliance, but guess what? the others didn't want to join
>> (see above)
>>
>> <https://www.cordless-alliance-system.com>
>
> it's all a bit rubbish. If they were all state owned we woudn't have this
> problem :-)
>

Aḩ The Trabant EV. 20 miles on one lead acid battery, and then wait for
your electricity ration next week

> Has anybody had any sucess canabalising batteries out of, say, an Aldi and
> putting them in a Makita?

Yoiu can recell most of te old NiMh tools that use sub-Cs.


--
"Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace,
community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"

[TimW]

On 03/03/2023 10:42, RJH wrote:

> On 3 Mar 2023 at 10:32:18 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> TimW wrote:
>>
>>> Are these batteries deliberately made to be not interchangeable
>>

[...]

>
> it's all a bit rubbish. If they were all state owned we woudn't have this
> problem :-)

>....

I wouldn't go that far. What we really need is some written standards
that apply across the UK market for the benefit of consumers and also to
make it simple for importers and retailers. Now I think of it better
still if they were international standards, maybe Europe-wide.

If only there was some organisation which could legislate for these
things and we could join it.

TW

[wrights...@f2s.com]

On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 13:20:15 UTC, Chris J Dixon wrote:

> ><htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIh_iaxm3cc>
> That would be better if it was correct:
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIh_iaxm3cc>

They both work just the same for me.
Bill

[Tim Streater]

On 03 Mar 2023 at 14:12:36 GMT, "TimW" <ti...@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:

> On 03/03/2023 10:42, RJH wrote:
>> On 3 Mar 2023 at 10:32:18 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> TimW wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are these batteries deliberately made to be not interchangeable
>>>
> [...]
>>
>> it's all a bit rubbish. If they were all state owned we woudn't have this
>> problem :-)
>> ....
>
> I wouldn't go that far. What we really need is some written standards
> that apply across the UK market for the benefit of consumers and also to
> make it simple for importers and retailers. Now I think of it better
> still if they were international standards, maybe Europe-wide.

For the benefit of consumers, yes.

> If only there was some organisation which could legislate for these

> things ...

for the benefit of consumers ...

> and we could join it.

Yes, wouldn't that be wonderful.

--
"What causes poverty?" Wrong question. Poverty is our primordial state. The real question is, "What causes wealth?"

Hint: it ain't Socialism.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 03/03/2023 16:03, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 03 Mar 2023 at 14:12:36 GMT, "TimW" <ti...@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 03/03/2023 10:42, RJH wrote:
>>> On 3 Mar 2023 at 10:32:18 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> TimW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are these batteries deliberately made to be not interchangeable
>>>>
>> [...]
>>>
>>> it's all a bit rubbish. If they were all state owned we woudn't have this
>>> problem :-)
>>> ....
>>
>> I wouldn't go that far. What we really need is some written standards
>> that apply across the UK market for the benefit of consumers and also to
>> make it simple for importers and retailers. Now I think of it better
>> still if they were international standards, maybe Europe-wide.
>
> For the benefit of consumers, yes.
>
>> If only there was some organisation which could legislate for these
>> things ...
>
> for the benefit of consumers ...
>
>> and we could join it.
>
> Yes, wouldn't that be wonderful.
>

Indeed. Sadly I cant see such an organisation anywhere.
Apropos of nothing in particular, I see the European wide outbreak of
serious food poisoning has been traced to a kinder chocolate egg factory
in Belgium.

Gotta lurve these 'standards'
What was it last time? lethal beansprouts in Germany

--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

[Tim+]

The whole link doesn’t work (as it only has ‘htps:’ rather than ‘https:’).
I dare say if you only copied from the ‘www’ it would work though.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

[Andrew]

Mad Cow disease in Britain

[The Natural Philosopher]

Dealt with very very quickly, source identified, meat destroyed,
standards changed AND ENFORCED.

--
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.