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Wilo Smart Pump vs Grundfos Alpha?

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Set Square

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Dec 31, 2005, 12:01:01 PM12/31/05
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My 10-year-old Grundfos 3-speed central heating pump is getting a bit noisy,
and I intend to replace it in the near future. Since I also intend to fit
TRVs to most radiators next summer, it would make sense to fit a pump whose
delivery is automatically variable, and I have been considering getting a
Grundfos Alpha.

In the latest Screwfix catalogue (#80) I see that they're selling Wilo Smart
pumps - which appear to do more or less the same as an alpha - for 45 quid,
which is not much more than half the price of an Alpha.

http://tinyurl.com/cxxl2

Does anyone have any experience of the Wilo (pronounced Vee-Lo according to
their website) pump? Is it any good? *Does* it do the same as an Alpha?
[From the picture it looks as if it may have less scope for adjustment]. Is
it a case of "you gets what you pays for" - or do you pay through the nose
for the Grundfos label?
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Slurp

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Dec 31, 2005, 1:08:03 PM12/31/05
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"Set Square" <d...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Hmmm - no direct knowledge of the Wilo, but I fitted a Grundfoss Alpha about
2 1/2 years ago.

The Grundfoss has an infinitely variable speed and a green LED which tells
you its on - apart from that the specs seem similar.

Very pleased with it - the big advantage is the lack of noise as it auto
adjusts the flow rate depending on demand - it is so quiet in fact that
during the recent cold snap I can leave the pump on overnight and not be
disturbed by any discernable rad/valve noise.

As a point of interest I paid £66 inc. vat for it at my local plumbers
(full, not trade price) then.

Slurp


Andy Hall

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Dec 31, 2005, 3:03:25 PM12/31/05
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:01:01 -0000, "Set Square" <d...@privacy.net>
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Looking at the description, it seems as though Wilo have implemented
some of the Alpha functionality.

I have an Alpha on my secondary (workshop) circuit and it performs
very well. There is a continuously variable control, whereas it
appears that the Wilo has three distinct settings.

Having said that, I am not sure that having that level of tweakability
is important in a standalone pump. There is another Grundfos pump
inside my boiler and that one is controlled on an analogue basis by
the boiler controller - 20-100%. I can hook up a PC to the boiler
and see what it's all doing - certainly the pump modulates according
to demand, as does the burner.

In terms of the pricing, I think that if you shop around, and squeeze
suppliers a bit, you should be able to get an Alpha for about £60 -
the online places are doing them for £65.


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Set Square

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Dec 31, 2005, 5:13:13 PM12/31/05
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam> wrote:

>
> In terms of the pricing, I think that if you shop around, and squeeze
> suppliers a bit, you should be able to get an Alpha for about £60 -
> the online places are doing them for £65.

Thanks. I've now found some at £60-65 on line. When I first posted, I had
only found some at 80-odd quid. So I guess you're saying "better the devil
you know" - if it's not dramatically dearer than a cheaper model?

Ther only seems to be a couple of quid difference between the 15/50 and
15/60. A 15/50 would probably be adequate for my system. Is there any
significant disadvantage in fitting a 15/60, and providing a bit of
breathing space?

Andy Hall

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Dec 31, 2005, 5:42:52 PM12/31/05
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:13:13 -0000, "Set Square" <d...@privacy.net>
wrote:

>In an earlier contribution to this discussion,


>Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam> wrote:
>
>>
>> In terms of the pricing, I think that if you shop around, and squeeze
>> suppliers a bit, you should be able to get an Alpha for about £60 -
>> the online places are doing them for £65.
>
>Thanks. I've now found some at £60-65 on line. When I first posted, I had
>only found some at 80-odd quid. So I guess you're saying "better the devil
>you know" - if it's not dramatically dearer than a cheaper model?
>

Yes, I'm not saying that the Wilo is necessarily bad - no direct
experience of it - but I do know that the Alpha works well.


>Ther only seems to be a couple of quid difference between the 15/50 and
>15/60. A 15/50 would probably be adequate for my system. Is there any
>significant disadvantage in fitting a 15/60, and providing a bit of
>breathing space?


What you could do is to look up the data for your existing pump in
terms of the pressure/flow curves - especially for the setting that
you have been using.

Then compare with the curves for the two Alpha models.

As long as you can achieve sensible adjustability, I think I'd go for
the larger one. In my case I did, although I have quite long runs of
22mm between the location in the house where the heat exchanger is
installed and the workshop so felt that a bit more availability of
oomph wouldn't hurt.

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.andy

Mike Tomlinson

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Jan 1, 2006, 7:03:27 AM1/1/06
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In article <41nrq6F...@individual.net>, Set Square
<d...@privacy.net> writes

>Does anyone have any experience of the Wilo (pronounced Vee-Lo according to
>their website) pump? Is it any good?

Not the one you're looking at, but I replaced a dead pump (blowing
fuses) with a Wilo Gold 50 a couple of years ago. It seems well made,
came with a two year guarantee, and has worked with no problems.
Despite the name, the Wilo is an interesting shade of green.

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