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JimG
Nov 25, 2013, 12:06:43 PM11/25/13
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Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all that good.
Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to switch on a warning light?
Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared detector somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in the market place already for this sort of thing?
Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to switch on a warning light?
Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared detector somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in the market place already for this sort of thing?
Martin Brown
Nov 25, 2013, 12:48:29 PM11/25/13
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On 25/11/2013 17:06, JimG wrote:
> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all that good.
> Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to switch on a warning light?
Best I can think of is thermochromic paint on metalwork so that when it
> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all that good.
> Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to switch on a warning light?
is hot there is a distinct colour. CT55 and CT70 are the only common
reversible ones and they are blue/white and black/red for hot/cold
respectively. It would be nicer if they were the other way around.
Shade card at
http://www.indestructible.co.uk/thermochromic-paint/thermochromic-paint.htm
>
> Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared detector somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in the market place already for this sort of thing?
>
Only other thought is a put trace of sodium salt (eg bicarbonate or
> Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared detector somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in the market place already for this sort of thing?
>
borate on the burner so the gas flame is visibly yellow). Anything else
involves too much tinkering to make it work.
Another way is put very clear marks on the dials at the front of the
cooker. Some of them are incredibly hard to see the pointer on these
days if you do not have 20/20 vision.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Tim Watts
Nov 25, 2013, 12:52:39 PM11/25/13
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a) Full flame failure protection (not a given, even now)
b) A drop down lid which shuts off the ring gas supply as it closes (fairly
common).
Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of course!
--
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Nov 25, 2013, 12:52:27 PM11/25/13
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JimG <letsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the
> pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that
> it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult
> to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all
> that good...
> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the
> pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that
> it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult
> to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all
My mother looks at the control knobs to see if they're all back at the zero
position... but doesn't always remember to do so.
If you watch your mum when she's near the cooker do you get the impression
that she's still careful of lit rings? I have the impression that my mum
doesn't pay them enough attention - partly because the flame is hard to see
- and am wondering if I should encourage her to get a ceramic hob instead.
I suspect my mother would oppose this quite strongly, and am not sure if
she'd take to touch controls easily (if we got one without rotary controls)
or with great difficulty. Not helpful is the fact that her kitchen is
mainly grey and white and I doubt she'd be happy with a black hob; the
choice in white ones is much more restricted. And, although the kitchen
used to have an electric cooker I suspect the supply for that was taken out
when the gas supply was put in, so getting a new circuit to the hob might be
tricky.
But, very worryingly, last week I saw her lean over the cooker - thank
goodness when the front rings were not on - and a very light chiffon (?)
scarf she was wearing dangled into the area above one of the unlit rings. I
drew her attention to this and she said she'd forgotten she had the scarf
on.
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JimG
Nov 25, 2013, 1:14:42 PM11/25/13
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>
> Best I can think of is thermochromic paint on metalwork so that when it
>
> is hot there is a distinct colour. CT55 and CT70 are the only common
>
> reversible ones and they are blue/white and black/red for hot/cold
>
> respectively. It would be nicer if they were the other way around.
>
>
>
>
> Only other thought is a put trace of sodium salt (eg bicarbonate or
>
> borate on the burner so the gas flame is visibly yellow). Anything else
>
> involves too much tinkering to make it work.
>
>
>
> Another way is put very clear marks on the dials at the front of the
>
> cooker. Some of them are incredibly hard to see the pointer on these
>
> days if you do not have 20/20 vision.
> Regards,
>
> borate on the burner so the gas flame is visibly yellow). Anything else
>
> involves too much tinkering to make it work.
>
>
>
> Another way is put very clear marks on the dials at the front of the
>
> cooker. Some of them are incredibly hard to see the pointer on these
>
> days if you do not have 20/20 vision.
>
> Martin Brown
All three suggestions seem worth a try and should not be expensive. I shall certainly research them further. Much obliged.
GB
Nov 25, 2013, 1:20:06 PM11/25/13
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On 25/11/2013 17:52, Tim Watts wrote:
> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of course!
The problem with my MIL is that she is utterly untrainable. She was
> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of course!
difficult all her life, but now she's just plain impossible.
JimG
Nov 25, 2013, 1:20:25 PM11/25/13
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On Monday, November 25, 2013 5:52:27 PM UTC, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
>
>
>
> > Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the
>
> > pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that
>
> > it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult
>
> > to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all
>
> > that good...
>
>
>
> My mother looks at the control knobs to see if they're all back at the zero
>
> position... but doesn't always remember to do so.
>
>
>
> If you watch your mum when she's near the cooker do you get the impression
>
> that she's still careful of lit rings? I have the impression that my mum
>
> doesn't pay them enough attention - partly because the flame is hard to see
>
> - and am wondering if I should encourage her to get a ceramic hob instead.
>
>
>
> I suspect my mother would oppose this quite strongly, and am not sure if
>
> she'd take to touch controls easily (if we got one without rotary controls)
>
> or with great difficulty. Not helpful is the fact that her kitchen is
>
> mainly grey and white and I doubt she'd be happy with a black hob; the
>
> choice in white ones is much more restricted. And, although the kitchen
>
> used to have an electric cooker I suspect the supply for that was taken out
>
> when the gas supply was put in, so getting a new circuit to the hob might be
>
> tricky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the
>
> > pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that
>
> > it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult
>
> > to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all
>
> > that good...
>
>
>
> My mother looks at the control knobs to see if they're all back at the zero
>
> position... but doesn't always remember to do so.
>
>
>
> If you watch your mum when she's near the cooker do you get the impression
>
> that she's still careful of lit rings? I have the impression that my mum
>
> doesn't pay them enough attention - partly because the flame is hard to see
>
> - and am wondering if I should encourage her to get a ceramic hob instead.
>
>
>
> I suspect my mother would oppose this quite strongly, and am not sure if
>
> she'd take to touch controls easily (if we got one without rotary controls)
>
> or with great difficulty. Not helpful is the fact that her kitchen is
>
> mainly grey and white and I doubt she'd be happy with a black hob; the
>
> choice in white ones is much more restricted. And, although the kitchen
>
> used to have an electric cooker I suspect the supply for that was taken out
>
> when the gas supply was put in, so getting a new circuit to the hob might be
>
> tricky.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
>
Jeremy,
>
> Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
>
She is certainly very careful when lighting the burners. It's just that she is increasingly forgetful.
Tim+
Nov 25, 2013, 1:21:48 PM11/25/13
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Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> On Monday 25 November 2013 17:06 JimG wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the
>> pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that
>> it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult
>> to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all
>> that good.
>> Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn
>> could be used to switch on a warning light?
>>
>> Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared detector
>> somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in the market
>> place already for this sort of thing?
>
> The only "good" solution I can see is buy her a new cooker with:
>
> a) Full flame failure protection (not a given, even now)
I must admit that amazes me (that flame failure isn't compulsory). You can
> On Monday 25 November 2013 17:06 JimG wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the
>> pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that
>> it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult
>> to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all
>> that good.
>> Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn
>> could be used to switch on a warning light?
>>
>> Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared detector
>> somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in the market
>> place already for this sort of thing?
>
> The only "good" solution I can see is buy her a new cooker with:
>
> a) Full flame failure protection (not a given, even now)
buy a new hob for £99 with flame failure devices.
> b) A drop down lid which shuts off the ring gas supply as it closes (fairly
> common).
>
> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of course!
>
j...@mdfs.net
Nov 25, 2013, 1:35:41 PM11/25/13
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Tim Watts wrote:
> b) A drop down lid which shuts off the ring gas supply as it closes (fairly
> common).
Where do you temporarily put all the pans that live on the hob while you
> b) A drop down lid which shuts off the ring gas supply as it closes (fairly
> common).
close the lid?
jgh
Mr Pounder
Nov 25, 2013, 1:38:59 PM11/25/13
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Nightjar
Nov 25, 2013, 1:53:35 PM11/25/13
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Colin Bignell
Nightjar
Nov 25, 2013, 2:00:05 PM11/25/13
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On 25/11/2013 17:06, JimG wrote:
http://ao.com/product/T62R36S1-Neff-Series-3-Gas-Hob-Black-24211.aspx
Colin Bignell
Andrew Gabriel
Nov 25, 2013, 2:09:15 PM11/25/13
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In article <1076305858407096293.177135timdo...@news.eternal-september.org>,
generate an explosive mixure in the minimum room size specified by
the cooker, with the expected levels of ventilation. In most cases,
this is impossible except for the oven, and giant wok or fish kettle
burners.
I think it may also be compulsory for all burners in rented homes.
> You can buy a new hob for £99 with flame failure devices.
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> writes:
> I must admit that amazes me (that flame failure isn't compulsory).
I think it's only compulsory on burners which are powerful enough to
> I must admit that amazes me (that flame failure isn't compulsory).
generate an explosive mixure in the minimum room size specified by
the cooker, with the expected levels of ventilation. In most cases,
this is impossible except for the oven, and giant wok or fish kettle
burners.
I think it may also be compulsory for all burners in rented homes.
> You can buy a new hob for £99 with flame failure devices.
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Nov 25, 2013, 2:09:03 PM11/25/13
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Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> > Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
> > course!
>
> That's the hard bit!
Hmmm. Maybe painting the outline of a toilet seat on the underneath of the
lid would help with that?
--
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
>Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> > Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
> > course!
>
> That's the hard bit!
lid would help with that?
--
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
Michael Chare
Nov 25, 2013, 2:13:59 PM11/25/13
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the pan. I would guess that most induction hobs would do this but I
can't claim to know.
--
Michael Chare
Tim Watts
Nov 25, 2013, 2:17:29 PM11/25/13
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didn't, they wouldn;t do much without a lump or iron on top.
Tim Watts
Nov 25, 2013, 2:17:53 PM11/25/13
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SteveW
Nov 25, 2013, 2:38:17 PM11/25/13
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On 25/11/2013 17:06, JimG wrote:
has a glass lid and to prevent it being lowered onto a lit ring there is
a mechanical connection - as you lower the lid, you can actually see all
the knobs turn to the off position.
SteveW
SteveW
Nov 25, 2013, 2:40:59 PM11/25/13
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On 25/11/2013 18:35, j...@mdfs.net wrote:
unironed clothes while you are ironing?
SteveW
ARW
Nov 25, 2013, 3:04:30 PM11/25/13
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ss
Nov 25, 2013, 3:06:30 PM11/25/13
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about re thermo paint.
Why not paint it on the handles of the pots and if the product can take
the temp range paint it on the bits that the pots sit on on the cooker.
http://www.indestructible.co.uk/thermochromic-paint/
Nightjar
Nov 25, 2013, 3:37:08 PM11/25/13
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Colin Bignell
Andrew Gabriel
Nov 25, 2013, 4:32:11 PM11/25/13
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In article <d912b305-ad6e-4d32...@googlegroups.com>,
I just tried standing a small gas mantle upside down so one of
the burner outlets plays on it, and it does glow bright white.
It's going to be too fragile for any long term use though.
the burner outlets plays on it, and it does glow bright white.
It's going to be too fragile for any long term use though.
Dave Liquorice
Nov 25, 2013, 4:51:28 PM11/25/13
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:52:39 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit ...
<snip>
thinking if it gets blown out and build up of gas?
> b) A drop down lid which shuts off the ring gas supply as it closes
> (fairly common).
I think they all do, to stop the glass exploding if shut onto a lit
ring.
> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
> course!
No chance. Change is not welcome once people start to get a bid
doddery, routine and rote rule the day.
--
Cheers
Dave.
>> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit ...
<snip>
> a) Full flame failure protection (not a given, even now)
How is that going to help the ring being left on and lit? Or are you
thinking if it gets blown out and build up of gas?
> b) A drop down lid which shuts off the ring gas supply as it closes
> (fairly common).
ring.
> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
> course!
doddery, routine and rote rule the day.
--
Cheers
Dave.
Tim Lamb
Nov 25, 2013, 5:01:27 PM11/25/13
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In message <l70fkr$vps$2...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> writes
I've not been following this so apologies for any duplication...
What about suspending a length of non flammable foil over the hob such
that the convection air currents cause it to waggle about?
>
--
Tim Lamb
<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> writes
What about suspending a length of non flammable foil over the hob such
that the convection air currents cause it to waggle about?
>
--
Tim Lamb
Dave Liquorice
Nov 25, 2013, 4:58:35 PM11/25/13
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> I just tried standing a small gas mantle upside down so one of
> the burner outlets plays on it, and it does glow bright white.
> It's going to be too fragile for any long term use though.
I quite liked the idea of a salt that coloured the flame. Would
> I just tried standing a small gas mantle upside down so one of
> the burner outlets plays on it, and it does glow bright white.
> It's going to be too fragile for any long term use though.
lifting off the flame spreader and putting a bit of paste made from
ordinary salt and water near the holes/grooves work?
--
Cheers
Dave.
Tim Watts
Nov 25, 2013, 5:28:49 PM11/25/13
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On Monday 25 November 2013 21:51 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:52:39 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>>> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit ...
> <snip>
>> a) Full flame failure protection (not a given, even now)
>
> How is that going to help the ring being left on and lit? Or are you
> thinking if it gets blown out and build up of gas?
>
Yes - you didn;t specify this, but I would...
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:52:39 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>>> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit ...
> <snip>
>> a) Full flame failure protection (not a given, even now)
>
> How is that going to help the ring being left on and lit? Or are you
> thinking if it gets blown out and build up of gas?
>
>> b) A drop down lid which shuts off the ring gas supply as it closes
>> (fairly common).
>
> I think they all do, to stop the glass exploding if shut onto a lit
> ring.
>
>> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
>> course!
>
> No chance. Change is not welcome once people start to get a bid
> doddery, routine and rote rule the day.
>
for knob alignment (oo-err), looking at thermopaint colour or whatever.
I have a certain amount of paranoia when leaving the house - if I had a gas
cooker, "lid down" would be the easiest to do, remember doing and to do
correctly.
For the same reason. I love lever taps - quick look and I can see they are
all fully off!
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Nov 25, 2013, 6:31:34 PM11/25/13
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On Monday, November 25, 2013 6:35:41 PM UTC, j...@mdfs.net wrote:
> Where do you temporarily put all the pans that live on the hob while you
> close the lid?
I put them on the pan shelves if I'm going to use them again soon, or put them away in the pan cupboard if I'm not.
> Where do you temporarily put all the pans that live on the hob while you
> close the lid?
Owain
John Rumm
Nov 26, 2013, 6:38:40 AM11/26/13
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On 25/11/2013 17:06, JimG wrote:
> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she
> removed the pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time
> when I noticed that it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and
> the flame was difficult to see because the hob is near the window.
> That, and her eyesight isnt all that good. Is there some sort of
> device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to
> switch on a warning light?
As a first course of action, making sure the hob has flame failure
> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she
> removed the pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time
> when I noticed that it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and
> the flame was difficult to see because the hob is near the window.
> That, and her eyesight isnt all that good. Is there some sort of
> device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to
> switch on a warning light?
detection on the rings would be useful. A lit ring is a hazard, an unlit
but still on ring even more so!
> Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared
> detector somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in
> the market place already for this sort of thing?
a ring is on might help.
--
Cheers,
John.
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John Rumm
Nov 26, 2013, 6:40:16 AM11/26/13
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On 25/11/2013 19:09, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
> Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
>
>>> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
>>> course!
>>
>> That's the hard bit!
>
> Hmmm. Maybe painting the outline of a toilet seat on the underneath of the
> lid would help with that?
;-) nice bit of lateral thinking!
> Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
>
>>> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
>>> course!
>>
>> That's the hard bit!
>
> Hmmm. Maybe painting the outline of a toilet seat on the underneath of the
> lid would help with that?
Andrew Gabriel
Nov 26, 2013, 7:38:25 AM11/26/13
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In article <uOOdnYNL9OsBFQnP...@brightview.co.uk>,
John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes:
> On 25/11/2013 19:09, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
>> Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
>>>> course!
>>>
>>> That's the hard bit!
>>
>> Hmmm. Maybe painting the outline of a toilet seat on the underneath of the
>> lid would help with that?
>
> ;-) nice bit of lateral thinking!
This would really not be a good idea for a confused person...
> On 25/11/2013 19:09, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
>> Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Then all you have to do is train her to drop the lid as a matter of
>>>> course!
>>>
>>> That's the hard bit!
>>
>> Hmmm. Maybe painting the outline of a toilet seat on the underneath of the
>> lid would help with that?
>
> ;-) nice bit of lateral thinking!
Scion
Nov 26, 2013, 7:48:37 AM11/26/13
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts put finger to keyboard:
<snip>
>
> But, very worryingly, last week I saw her lean over the cooker - thank
> goodness when the front rings were not on - and a very light chiffon (?)
> scarf she was wearing dangled into the area above one of the unlit
> rings. I drew her attention to this and she said she'd forgotten she had
> the scarf on.
See http://cheezburger.com/7913517312
<snip>
>
> But, very worryingly, last week I saw her lean over the cooker - thank
> goodness when the front rings were not on - and a very light chiffon (?)
> scarf she was wearing dangled into the area above one of the unlit
> rings. I drew her attention to this and she said she'd forgotten she had
> the scarf on.
See http://cheezburger.com/7913517312
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Nov 26, 2013, 9:45:39 AM11/26/13
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> >> Hmmm. Maybe painting the outline of a toilet seat on the underneath of the
> >> lid would help with that?
> >> Hmmm. Maybe painting the outline of a toilet seat on the underneath of the
> >> lid would help with that?
> This would really not be a good idea for a confused person...
Might be messy ... or painful.
Owain
Thomas Prufer
Nov 26, 2013, 12:05:42 PM11/26/13
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:01:27 +0000, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>I've not been following this so apologies for any duplication...
>
>What about suspending a length of non flammable foil over the hob such
>that the convection air currents cause it to waggle about?
Here's something with bells on, turns in the heat:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lichter-Glocken-Spiel-Knox-Glockenspiel-Pyramide-mit-Engel-Kerzen-Windspiel-/141074063605
Thomas Prufer
wrote:
>I've not been following this so apologies for any duplication...
>
>What about suspending a length of non flammable foil over the hob such
>that the convection air currents cause it to waggle about?
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Thomas Prufer
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May 13, 2014, 6:05:17 AM5/13/14
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On Monday, 25 November 2013 17:06:43 UTC, JimG wrote:
> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all that good.
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> Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to switch on a warning light?
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> Twice last week my elderly mum left one gas ring lit after she removed the pan from the hob at breakfast time. It was lunch time when I noticed that it was still lit. The burner was on low heat and the flame was difficult to see because the hob is near the window. That, and her eyesight isnt all that good.
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> Is there some sort of device that can detect the flame and which in turn could be used to switch on a warning light?
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> Would it be feasible to use a thermo-couple or say an infrared detector somehow to achieve this or is there a solution available in the market place already for this sort of thing?
I thought I was the only one to explore this. Thank you all. Not just a problem for the older person. Kitchens are bright places now, and the flames very clean and hard to see. ROSPA gave me figures - and they were quite comforting as there relatively few accidents from fires and burns in kitchens. They were doubtful that gas suppliers could be persuaded to add a trace substance to the gas to colour the flame. However I do think it would be worth researching and discussing - after all gas suppliers have add a scent for safety purposes. I am experimenting with salt....
Martin Brown
May 13, 2014, 6:25:07 AM5/13/14
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so that it will be in the flame. This will require replenishing from
time to time but should colour the flame without being too invasive.
Can you not mark the controls with dayglo so that there is a strong
indication when all controls are safely off?
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Martin Brown
Tim Watts
May 13, 2014, 7:03:29 AM5/13/14
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magnet in each one so the magnet is at the bottom when the knob's off.
Fix a thin wall ali or brass tube to the fascia under the knobs with a
load of reed switches in series, each one aligned to a magnet.
Use reed switches to hold off a small relay that itself triggers a
warning light. Power from wall wart. Or improved the circuitry to take
less current.
Dave Plowman (News)
May 13, 2014, 7:17:16 AM5/13/14
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In article <f5834fb3-79c2-4620...@googlegroups.com>,
The easy way would be to simply add a switch to the gas tap on each burner
and use that to feed your warning device. Would have the added advantage
it doesn't need the gas lit to work.
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Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
and use that to feed your warning device. Would have the added advantage
it doesn't need the gas lit to work.
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To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Graham.
May 13, 2014, 4:08:42 PM5/13/14
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On Tue, 13 May 2014 03:05:17 -0700 (PDT), p.dann...@btinternet.com
wrote:
It seems to me it's the cooker manufacturers rather than the gas
suppliers that RoSPA should be lobbying.
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suppliers that RoSPA should be lobbying.
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meow...@care2.com
May 13, 2014, 5:24:28 PM5/13/14
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Next time I fit a hob I'd like to hook it up to smoke/temp/rate of rise detectors and use those to switch the thing off automatically. And make it inconvenient to reset.
NT
Brian Gaff
May 14, 2014, 4:35:01 AM5/14/14
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Surely the best solution is some kind of switch that puts a light on when
the gas is turned on at all, as if its lit then you would know if a pan is
on it, if its not and you did not smell it it could be dangerous too.
I'm surprised this is not done already for safety. My electric oven has a
light when the thermostat kicks in and a different one when its not, so to
speak.
It also has lights for the rings on the hob. Of course ironically in my case
lights are a bit pointless!
I can at least use my pocket light detector to tell if they are on or off
though.
Since the RNIB light detectorcan detect infra red, then I suppose one can
use it to see invisible flames as well.
Brian
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the gas is turned on at all, as if its lit then you would know if a pan is
on it, if its not and you did not smell it it could be dangerous too.
I'm surprised this is not done already for safety. My electric oven has a
light when the thermostat kicks in and a different one when its not, so to
speak.
It also has lights for the rings on the hob. Of course ironically in my case
lights are a bit pointless!
I can at least use my pocket light detector to tell if they are on or off
though.
Since the RNIB light detectorcan detect infra red, then I suppose one can
use it to see invisible flames as well.
Brian
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charles
May 14, 2014, 3:14:54 PM5/14/14
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In a commercial situation, you are supposed to have a fan operating before
you can use a gas cooker. In our theatre there is an electrically operated
gas valve which comes on with the fan. The fan is sufficiently noisy to
make it obvious the gas might be on.
In article <lkv9ri$laj$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
you can use a gas cooker. In our theatre there is an electrically operated
gas valve which comes on with the fan. The fan is sufficiently noisy to
make it obvious the gas might be on.
In article <lkv9ri$laj$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Surely the best solution is some kind of switch that puts a light on when
> the gas is turned on at all, as if its lit then you would know if a pan
> is on it, if its not and you did not smell it it could be dangerous too.
> I'm surprised this is not done already for safety. My electric oven has
> a light when the thermostat kicks in and a different one when its not, so
> to speak. It also has lights for the rings on the hob. Of course
> ironically in my case lights are a bit pointless! I can at least use my
> pocket light detector to tell if they are on or off though. Since the
> RNIB light detectorcan detect infra red, then I suppose one can use it
> to see invisible flames as well. Brian
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> the gas is turned on at all, as if its lit then you would know if a pan
> is on it, if its not and you did not smell it it could be dangerous too.
> I'm surprised this is not done already for safety. My electric oven has
> a light when the thermostat kicks in and a different one when its not, so
> to speak. It also has lights for the rings on the hob. Of course
> ironically in my case lights are a bit pointless! I can at least use my
> pocket light detector to tell if they are on or off though. Since the
> RNIB light detectorcan detect infra red, then I suppose one can use it
> to see invisible flames as well. Brian
--
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Rod Speed
May 14, 2014, 3:53:05 PM5/14/14
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Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote
> Surely the best solution is some kind of switch that puts a light on when
> the gas is turned on at all, as if its lit then you would know if a pan is
> on it, if its not and you did not smell it it could be dangerous too. I'm
> surprised this is not done already for safety.
Presumably that�s because originally they didn�t have any
electrical connection at all and the industry is stuck with
that mindset even tho things have changed radically now.
> My electric oven has a light when the thermostat kicks in and a different
> one when its not, so to speak.
Most just have an electrical time display which replaces that last.
> It also has lights for the rings on the hob. Of course ironically in my
> case lights are a bit pointless!
> I can at least use my pocket light detector to tell if they are on or off
> though.
> Since the RNIB light detectorcan detect infra red, then I suppose one can
> use it to see invisible flames as well.
> Surely the best solution is some kind of switch that puts a light on when
> the gas is turned on at all, as if its lit then you would know if a pan is
> on it, if its not and you did not smell it it could be dangerous too. I'm
> surprised this is not done already for safety.
electrical connection at all and the industry is stuck with
that mindset even tho things have changed radically now.
> My electric oven has a light when the thermostat kicks in and a different
> one when its not, so to speak.
> It also has lights for the rings on the hob. Of course ironically in my
> case lights are a bit pointless!
> I can at least use my pocket light detector to tell if they are on or off
> though.
> Since the RNIB light detectorcan detect infra red, then I suppose one can
> use it to see invisible flames as well.
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