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The Medway Handyman
Mar 4, 2014, 3:30:38 PM3/4/14
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Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
said no.
Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
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Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
said no.
Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
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Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
Roger Mills
Mar 4, 2014, 5:21:57 PM3/4/14
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On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
[1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
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Cheers,
Roger
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A.Lee
Mar 4, 2014, 6:04:11 PM3/4/14
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
Where is it going to be placed in regard to the bath or shower?
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
More than 3 metres from the bath/shower, and you can fit a socket
outlet.
Less than that, and it will have to be a non-switched FCU, and outside
of the bath/shower zones.
It must be RCD protected.
And be suitable for use in a bathroom.
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F Murtz
Mar 4, 2014, 6:59:52 PM3/4/14
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
* FCU Federal Credit Union
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
***** FCU Florida Credit Union
**** FCU Fan Coil Unit
**** FCU Fuel Control Unit
**** FCU Flexor Carpi Ulnaris
**** FCU Flight Control Unit
*** FCU Familial Cold Urticaria
*** FCU Fire Control Unit
*** FCU Flow Control Unit
** FCU Field Camera Unit
** FCU Fare Construction Unit (airfare)
** FCU Field Communication Unit
** FCU Feedback Control Unit
** FCU Fuel Consumption Unit
* FCU Filter/Combiner Unit
* FCU Fussball Club Unterstrass (Zurich, Swiss soccer club)
* FCU Fluid Cooling Unit
* FCU Foals and Calves University (gaming)
* FCU Formation Continue Universitaire (French: Continuing Education
University)
* FCU Foster Care Unit (various locations)
* FCU Fukuyama City University (Hiroshima, Japan)
* FCU Fused Connection Unit
* FCU Financial Credit Union (various locations)
* FCU Feng Chia University (Taiwan)
* FCU Ferrovia Centrale Umbra (Italian: Umbrian Central Railway)
* FCU Fact Checkers Unit (web series)
* FCU Faith Community United (various locations)
F Murtz
Mar 4, 2014, 7:04:08 PM3/4/14
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Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
Andrew Gabriel
Mar 4, 2014, 7:45:18 PM3/4/14
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In article <531668f5$0$19051$c3e8da3$cc4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
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Andrew Gabriel
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F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> writes:
> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
> * FCU Fused Connection Unit
> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
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[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
John Rumm
Mar 4, 2014, 8:02:14 PM3/4/14
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On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
Yup so long as its appropriate for the situation, and in zone 2 or
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
outside the zones.
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Johny B Good
Mar 4, 2014, 11:30:35 PM3/4/14
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 00:45:18 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>In article <531668f5$0$19051$c3e8da3$cc4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
> F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>
>> * FCU Fused Connection Unit
Strangely missed off the top of the list (it looked like he was
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>In article <531668f5$0$19051$c3e8da3$cc4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
> F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>
>> * FCU Fused Connection Unit
quoting from a google search results page where that was at the top of
the first page).
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Regards, J B Good
chris French
Mar 4, 2014, 8:16:49 PM3/4/14
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In message <040320142231560024%timst...@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>In article <bnn1vr...@mid.individual.net>, Roger Mills
>Both in the airing cupboard. All installed in the last 6 months.
>
My understanding is that outside of the zones, switched FCU's are
allowed.
Supported by this pdf on the TLC site.
<http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/Firstlight/Zones.pdf>
Though personally feel happier with the switches out of the way in a
cupboard where possible
--
Chris French
<timst...@greenbee.net> writes
>In article <bnn1vr...@mid.individual.net>, Roger Mills
><watt....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> > Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> > said no.
>> >
>> > Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>> >
>> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
>>pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
>>electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use
>>electric towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off.
>>Maybe the regs have changed - or maybe they just want to save
>>electricity?!
>
>We've got switches for the bathroom underfloor heating and towel rail.
>
>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> > Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> > said no.
>> >
>> > Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>> >
>> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
>>pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
>>electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use
>>electric towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off.
>>Maybe the regs have changed - or maybe they just want to save
>>electricity?!
>
>Both in the airing cupboard. All installed in the last 6 months.
>
My understanding is that outside of the zones, switched FCU's are
allowed.
Supported by this pdf on the TLC site.
<http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/Firstlight/Zones.pdf>
Though personally feel happier with the switches out of the way in a
cupboard where possible
--
Chris French
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Mar 5, 2014, 5:42:46 AM3/5/14
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On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device for sucking up spiders?
> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
Owain
F
Mar 5, 2014, 5:50:40 AM3/5/14
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On 04/03/2014 22:21 Roger Mills wrote:
> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>
> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>
> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
They seem to be stripping out as much as they can. It'll be 'bring your
> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>
> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>
> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
own bed' next.
--
F
Jim K
Mar 5, 2014, 5:52:16 AM3/5/14
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Jim K
phil...@gmail.com
Mar 5, 2014, 5:59:26 AM3/5/14
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We really are odd with our OTT bathroom leccy safety in the UK.
Philip
Andy Wade
Mar 5, 2014, 8:28:47 AM3/5/14
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On 05/03/2014 01:02, John Rumm wrote:
> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
> Yup so long as its appropriate for the situation, and in zone 2 or
> outside the zones.
Only ELV switchgear and isolated shaver sockets are allowed in Zone 2,
> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
> Yup so long as its appropriate for the situation, and in zone 2 or
> outside the zones.
so a mains FCU must be beyond the zones.
If the appliance to be connected is portable its flex may need to be
shortened to prevent it being placed in any Zone, although it could be
allowed in Zone 2 if it meets IPX4, and is otherwise suitable for the
location (check with manufacturer).
And the feeding circuit must be 30 mA RCD-protected, or upgraded thereto.
--
Andy
F Murtz
Mar 5, 2014, 9:45:44 AM3/5/14
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be putting FCU electrical on bing,I think it must be a British thing.
F Murtz
Mar 5, 2014, 9:47:40 AM3/5/14
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the hair drier in.(and shavers for the men)
Dave Plowman (News)
Mar 5, 2014, 9:54:17 AM3/5/14
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In article <53173858$0$48021$c3e8da3$5d8f...@news.astraweb.com>,
title.
--
*If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just put acronym FCU in bing and that is what I got but I did find out
> be putting FCU electrical on bing,I think it must be a British thing.
Most here would understand what it is. This being a UK DIY group by the
> Just put acronym FCU in bing and that is what I got but I did find out
> be putting FCU electrical on bing,I think it must be a British thing.
title.
--
*If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
John Rumm
Mar 5, 2014, 10:10:43 AM3/5/14
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On 05/03/2014 13:28, Andy Wade wrote:
> On 05/03/2014 01:02, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>> Yup so long as its appropriate for the situation, and in zone 2 or
>> outside the zones.
>
> Only ELV switchgear and isolated shaver sockets are allowed in Zone 2,
> so a mains FCU must be beyond the zones.
Yup, my mistake, ELV and IPX4...
> On 05/03/2014 01:02, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>> Yup so long as its appropriate for the situation, and in zone 2 or
>> outside the zones.
>
> Only ELV switchgear and isolated shaver sockets are allowed in Zone 2,
> so a mains FCU must be beyond the zones.
> If the appliance to be connected is portable its flex may need to be
> shortened to prevent it being placed in any Zone, although it could be
> allowed in Zone 2 if it meets IPX4, and is otherwise suitable for the
> location (check with manufacturer).
>
> And the feeding circuit must be 30 mA RCD-protected, or upgraded thereto.
--
John Rumm
Mar 5, 2014, 10:12:18 AM3/5/14
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On 05/03/2014 10:59, phil...@gmail.com wrote:
> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago. The bathroom was a wet room
> cubicle thing (cheapo hotel). The light switch in the cubicle was
> also an electrical outlet. Every morning I would be standing in about
> quarter of an inch of water groping around the socket trying to find
> the light switch (heck, you could have used the switch whilst taking
> a shower if you were insane enough).
>
> We really are odd with our OTT bathroom leccy safety in the UK.
We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago. The bathroom was a wet room
> cubicle thing (cheapo hotel). The light switch in the cubicle was
> also an electrical outlet. Every morning I would be standing in about
> quarter of an inch of water groping around the socket trying to find
> the light switch (heck, you could have used the switch whilst taking
> a shower if you were insane enough).
>
> We really are odd with our OTT bathroom leccy safety in the UK.
population each year ;-)
John Rumm
Mar 5, 2014, 10:14:30 AM3/5/14
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If you want to dry your hair, then go somewhere other than the bathroom ;-)
Andrew May
Mar 5, 2014, 10:14:40 AM3/5/14
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On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under Part P?
> said no.
>
> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Mar 5, 2014, 10:33:23 AM3/5/14
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F Murtz wrote:
> > Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device for
> > sucking up spiders?
> > Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device for
> > sucking up spiders?
> Don't you have women there?
Not /very/ often, no, but more often than I get poisonous spiders.
Owain
Dave Plowman (News)
Mar 5, 2014, 10:52:49 AM3/5/14
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In article <S_6dnRQ55MXQoorO...@brightview.co.uk>,
make of that. ;-)
--
*According to my calculations, the problem doesn't exist.
John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> > Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere to plug
> > the hair drier in.(and shavers for the men)
> Shavers go into a transformer isolated shaver socket...
> If you want to dry your hair, then go somewhere other than the bathroom ;-)
Or fit a suitably large isolating transformer? Wonder what the regs would
> > Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere to plug
> > the hair drier in.(and shavers for the men)
> Shavers go into a transformer isolated shaver socket...
> If you want to dry your hair, then go somewhere other than the bathroom ;-)
make of that. ;-)
--
*According to my calculations, the problem doesn't exist.
Roger Mills
Mar 5, 2014, 11:29:16 AM3/5/14
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milk and other perishables in the room.
John Williamson
Mar 5, 2014, 11:32:47 AM3/5/14
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On 05/03/2014 10:50, F wrote:
an air bed with me, because the supplied mattresses are soft foam about
an inch thick. I hate sleeping on the bed base, and even borrowing the
mattress off the other bed in the room is no help.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
Robin
Mar 5, 2014, 1:35:17 PM3/5/14
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> We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
> population each year ;-)
>
Apart from the minor little blips upwards since 2008 in both domestic
> population each year ;-)
>
and non-domestic fatalities shown in DCLG's assessment of Part P in
December 2012 ;)
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid
John Rumm
Mar 5, 2014, 4:16:18 PM3/5/14
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On 05/03/2014 18:35, Robin wrote:
>> We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
>> population each year ;-)
>>
>
> Apart from the minor little blips upwards since 2008 in both domestic
> and non-domestic fatalities shown in DCLG's assessment of Part P in
> December 2012 ;)
As predicted here IIRC ;-)
>> We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
>> population each year ;-)
>>
>
> Apart from the minor little blips upwards since 2008 in both domestic
> and non-domestic fatalities shown in DCLG's assessment of Part P in
> December 2012 ;)
ARW
Mar 5, 2014, 4:16:50 PM3/5/14
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the zones.
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Adam
j...@mdfs.net
Mar 5, 2014, 5:21:33 PM3/5/14
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F Murtz wrote:
> Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere
> to plug the hair drier in.
What, and give them an excuse to lock themselves in there *even*
> Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere
> to plug the hair drier in.
*longer*?
Women obviously don't have bladders and so don't realise that
other people do have, that's the only explanation I can think of.
jgh
Johny B Good
Mar 5, 2014, 10:27:04 PM3/5/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:54:17 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <53173858$0$48021$c3e8da3$5d8f...@news.astraweb.com>,
> F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Just put acronym FCU in bing and that is what I got but I did find out
>> be putting FCU electrical on bing,I think it must be a British thing.
>
>Most here would understand what it is. This being a UK DIY group by the
>title.
Yes, I usually manage to figure out most of the new to me acronyms by
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <53173858$0$48021$c3e8da3$5d8f...@news.astraweb.com>,
> F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Just put acronym FCU in bing and that is what I got but I did find out
>> be putting FCU electrical on bing,I think it must be a British thing.
>
>Most here would understand what it is. This being a UK DIY group by the
>title.
the context (context is everything and if that's not enough, GIYF[1]).
In this case I had to resort to google to figure it out.
[1] Not to be confused with the acronym "GIYF!" where the pling
changes everything bar the word 'google'. :-)
Mike Barnes
Mar 6, 2014, 2:26:15 AM3/6/14
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Johny B Good wrote:
> I usually manage to figure out most of the new to me acronyms by
> the context (context is everything and if that's not enough, GIYF[1]).
>
> In this case I had to resort to google to figure it out.
>
> [1] Not to be confused with the acronym "GIYF!" where the pling
> changes everything bar the word 'google'. :-)
Alternatively, JFGI.
> I usually manage to figure out most of the new to me acronyms by
> the context (context is everything and if that's not enough, GIYF[1]).
>
> In this case I had to resort to google to figure it out.
>
> [1] Not to be confused with the acronym "GIYF!" where the pling
> changes everything bar the word 'google'. :-)
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
F Murtz
Mar 6, 2014, 5:34:43 AM3/6/14
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John Rumm wrote:
> On 05/03/2014 10:59, phil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago. The bathroom was a wet room
>> cubicle thing (cheapo hotel). The light switch in the cubicle was
>> also an electrical outlet. Every morning I would be standing in about
>> quarter of an inch of water groping around the socket trying to find
>> the light switch (heck, you could have used the switch whilst taking
>> a shower if you were insane enough).
>>
>> We really are odd with our OTT bathroom leccy safety in the UK.
>
> We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
> population each year ;-)
>
>
>
I very much doubt that electrical deaths in bathrooms are much higher in
> On 05/03/2014 10:59, phil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago. The bathroom was a wet room
>> cubicle thing (cheapo hotel). The light switch in the cubicle was
>> also an electrical outlet. Every morning I would be standing in about
>> quarter of an inch of water groping around the socket trying to find
>> the light switch (heck, you could have used the switch whilst taking
>> a shower if you were insane enough).
>>
>> We really are odd with our OTT bathroom leccy safety in the UK.
>
> We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
> population each year ;-)
>
>
>
Australia than UK even allowing that we have power points in most bathrooms.
Dave W
Mar 6, 2014, 5:39:12 AM3/6/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:59:52 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
>***** FCU Florida Credit Union
>**** FCU Fan Coil Unit
>**** FCU Fuel Control Unit
>**** FCU Flexor Carpi Ulnaris
>**** FCU Flight Control Unit
>*** FCU Familial Cold Urticaria
>*** FCU Fire Control Unit
>*** FCU Flow Control Unit
>** FCU Field Camera Unit
>** FCU Fare Construction Unit (airfare)
>** FCU Field Communication Unit
>** FCU Feedback Control Unit
>** FCU Fuel Consumption Unit
>* FCU Filter/Combiner Unit
>* FCU Fussball Club Unterstrass (Zurich, Swiss soccer club)
>* FCU Fluid Cooling Unit
>* FCU Foals and Calves University (gaming)
>* FCU Formation Continue Universitaire (French: Continuing Education
>University)
>* FCU Foster Care Unit (various locations)
>* FCU Fukuyama City University (Hiroshima, Japan)
>* FCU Feng Chia University (Taiwan)
>* FCU Ferrovia Centrale Umbra (Italian: Umbrian Central Railway)
>* FCU Fact Checkers Unit (web series)
>* FCU Faith Community United (various locations)
Now can you provide a similar list for "de hum"? These people who talk
in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
--
Dave W
wrote:
>The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>* FCU Federal Credit Union
>The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>***** FCU Florida Credit Union
>**** FCU Fan Coil Unit
>**** FCU Fuel Control Unit
>**** FCU Flexor Carpi Ulnaris
>**** FCU Flight Control Unit
>*** FCU Familial Cold Urticaria
>*** FCU Fire Control Unit
>*** FCU Flow Control Unit
>** FCU Field Camera Unit
>** FCU Fare Construction Unit (airfare)
>** FCU Field Communication Unit
>** FCU Feedback Control Unit
>** FCU Fuel Consumption Unit
>* FCU Filter/Combiner Unit
>* FCU Fussball Club Unterstrass (Zurich, Swiss soccer club)
>* FCU Fluid Cooling Unit
>* FCU Foals and Calves University (gaming)
>* FCU Formation Continue Universitaire (French: Continuing Education
>University)
>* FCU Foster Care Unit (various locations)
>* FCU Fukuyama City University (Hiroshima, Japan)
>* FCU Fused Connection Unit
>* FCU Financial Credit Union (various locations)
>* FCU Feng Chia University (Taiwan)
>* FCU Ferrovia Centrale Umbra (Italian: Umbrian Central Railway)
>* FCU Fact Checkers Unit (web series)
>* FCU Faith Community United (various locations)
Now can you provide a similar list for "de hum"? These people who talk
in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
--
Dave W
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phil...@gmail.com
Mar 6, 2014, 7:55:30 AM3/6/14
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I think in most of the world if you do something stupid and hurt yourself then that is down to you being stupid. In the UK the "Something must be done about it" brigade / Nanny state means you must be protected from yourself.
Philip
dennis@home
Mar 6, 2014, 8:44:00 AM3/6/14
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On 06/03/2014 11:55, Tim Streater wrote:
> Shouldn't take more than 1.85 secs to decode "de hum", with "bathroom"
> as the prime clue.
>
Its code for extractor fan isn't it?
> Shouldn't take more than 1.85 secs to decode "de hum", with "bathroom"
> as the prime clue.
>
Its code for extractor fan isn't it?
Johny B Good
Mar 6, 2014, 9:09:50 AM3/6/14
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makes the advicee exercise their 'thinking muscle', thereby reducing
the 'flab' in this body part. You'd only end up 'spoon feeding' the
'victim'...er advicee.
Johny B Good
Mar 6, 2014, 9:19:06 AM3/6/14
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 11:55:25 +0000, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>In article <bnr1nn...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
><Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> context?
I've never come across before.
It just struck me as being a 'half assed' attempt at laziness in the
avoidabce of typing it out in full. So lazy in fact, that he failed to
use the equally obscure, but more succint "DH" acronym which would
have shaved off even more energy and effort.
Obviously, the OP is no 'expert in laziness' and made the usual
'rookie mistake'. :-)
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>In article <bnr1nn...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
><Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-03-06, Dave W <dave...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:59:52 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> >>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> >>> said no.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>> [28 lines snipped]
>> On 2014-03-06, Dave W <dave...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:59:52 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> >>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> >>> said no.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Now can you provide a similar list for "de hum"? These people who talk
>> > in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
>>
>> Do we really want help from anyone too stupid to work it out from
>> >
>> > Now can you provide a similar list for "de hum"? These people who talk
>> > in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
>>
>> context?
>
>Shouldn't take more than 1.85 secs to decode "de hum", with "bathroom"
>as the prime clue.
I figured that out easily enough even though that's a contraction
>Shouldn't take more than 1.85 secs to decode "de hum", with "bathroom"
>as the prime clue.
I've never come across before.
It just struck me as being a 'half assed' attempt at laziness in the
avoidabce of typing it out in full. So lazy in fact, that he failed to
use the equally obscure, but more succint "DH" acronym which would
have shaved off even more energy and effort.
Obviously, the OP is no 'expert in laziness' and made the usual
'rookie mistake'. :-)
ARW
Mar 6, 2014, 1:06:52 PM3/6/14
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http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
--
Adam
The Medway Handyman
Mar 6, 2014, 1:12:13 PM3/6/14
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On 05/03/2014 10:59, phil...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:30:38 PM UTC, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>
>> said no.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>
>> said no.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
>
> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago.
Buying a prawn ring?
> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago.
:-)
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
The Medway Handyman
Mar 6, 2014, 1:13:03 PM3/6/14
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The Medway Handyman
Mar 6, 2014, 1:13:45 PM3/6/14
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Johny B Good
Mar 6, 2014, 5:23:39 PM3/6/14
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"GI4FS". :-)
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Mar 6, 2014, 5:28:19 PM3/6/14
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Shirley everyone knows what a de hum is?
Air freshener?
> Shirley everyone knows what a de hum is?
Owain
Robin
Mar 6, 2014, 5:30:57 PM3/6/14
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That reminds me I never got around to asking if whoever drafted that in
the terms "the replacement of a consumer unit" was providing for
pedantic DIY-ers to *add* a new consumer unit; to transfer to it all
but, say, one lighting circuit; and so not to replace a CU and not need
a building notice etc ;)
the terms "the replacement of a consumer unit" was providing for
pedantic DIY-ers to *add* a new consumer unit; to transfer to it all
but, say, one lighting circuit; and so not to replace a CU and not need
a building notice etc ;)
F Murtz
Mar 6, 2014, 9:18:07 PM3/6/14
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phil...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:34:43 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>> John Rumm wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2014 10:59, phil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago. The bathroom was a wet room
>>
>>>> cubicle thing (cheapo hotel). The light switch in the cubicle was
>>
>>>> also an electrical outlet. Every morning I would be standing in about
>>
>>>> quarter of an inch of water groping around the socket trying to find
>>
>>>> the light switch (heck, you could have used the switch whilst taking
>>
>>>> a shower if you were insane enough).
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> We really are odd with our OTT bathroom leccy safety in the UK.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
>>
>>> population each year ;-)
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> I very much doubt that electrical deaths in bathrooms are much higher in
>>
>> Australia than UK even allowing that we have power points in most bathrooms.
>
>
> Well... At least in the UK you are still allowed to do some D-I-Y leccy work.
Legal wise DIY electrical work is a no no in Australia, but you can buy
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:34:43 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>> John Rumm wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2014 10:59, phil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> I was in Iceland a couple of weeks ago. The bathroom was a wet room
>>
>>>> cubicle thing (cheapo hotel). The light switch in the cubicle was
>>
>>>> also an electrical outlet. Every morning I would be standing in about
>>
>>>> quarter of an inch of water groping around the socket trying to find
>>
>>>> the light switch (heck, you could have used the switch whilst taking
>>
>>>> a shower if you were insane enough).
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> We really are odd with our OTT bathroom leccy safety in the UK.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We really are odd in electrocuting a much smaller percentage of the
>>
>>> population each year ;-)
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> I very much doubt that electrical deaths in bathrooms are much higher in
>>
>> Australia than UK even allowing that we have power points in most bathrooms.
>
>
> Well... At least in the UK you are still allowed to do some D-I-Y leccy work.
all the stuff needed in the supermarket or hardware without a license so
people do there own everywhere.(same with plumbing which is also
supposed to be a no no).
PeterC
Mar 7, 2014, 2:57:58 AM3/7/14
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:13:45 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Now can you provide a similar list for "de hum"? These people who talk
>> in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
>>
>
> Shirley everyone knows what a de hum is?
A v. large 4x4 on Jamaica?
>> Now can you provide a similar list for "de hum"? These people who talk
>> in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
>>
>
> Shirley everyone knows what a de hum is?
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway
Dave W
Mar 7, 2014, 7:27:14 AM3/7/14
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 14:28:19 -0800 (PST), spuorg...@gowanhill.com
wrote:
That's what I guessed also, but it seems it means dehumidifier.
--
Dave W
wrote:
--
Dave W
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:09:14 AM3/7/14
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 22:21:57 -0000, Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>
--
A statistician took a standard deviation from his normal way home because the mean of the population was after him.
> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>
> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>
> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
What's happened is people think electricity is somehow different to what it use to be. If anything it's SAFER because of ELCBs etc, so there is no need to tighten up where we put sockets.
> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>
> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
--
A statistician took a standard deviation from his normal way home because the mean of the population was after him.
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:10:26 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:50:40 -0000, F <news@nowhere> wrote:
> On 04/03/2014 22:21 Roger Mills wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>>
>> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
>> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
>> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>>
>> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
>> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
>> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
>
> They seem to be stripping out as much as they can. It'll be 'bring your
> own bed' next.
It's meant to be somewhere CHEAP to spend a night on a journey, not a luxury hotel. If you want that, find a hotel.
Myself I have no problem sleeping in the car.
--
"Hi, It's a great day and I'm out enjoying it right now. I hope you are too. The thought for the day is 'Share the love.'" BEEP.
"Um, yeah, hello? This is the VD clinic calling. Your test results are back and you're positive. Stop sharing the love."
> On 04/03/2014 22:21 Roger Mills wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>>
>> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
>> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
>> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>>
>> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
>> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
>> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
>
> own bed' next.
It's meant to be somewhere CHEAP to spend a night on a journey, not a luxury hotel. If you want that, find a hotel.
Myself I have no problem sleeping in the car.
--
"Hi, It's a great day and I'm out enjoying it right now. I hope you are too. The thought for the day is 'Share the love.'" BEEP.
"Um, yeah, hello? This is the VD clinic calling. Your test results are back and you're positive. Stop sharing the love."
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:11:31 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 00:04:08 -0000, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A.Lee wrote:
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
The Aussies are a more logical race and aren't little scaredy-pants like the Brits. IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the bath!
--
Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed.
Women somehow deteriorate during the night.
> A.Lee wrote:
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
>> Where is it going to be placed in regard to the bath or shower?
>> More than 3 metres from the bath/shower, and you can fit a socket
>> outlet.
>> Less than that, and it will have to be a non-switched FCU, and outside
>> of the bath/shower zones.
>> It must be RCD protected.
>> And be suitable for use in a bathroom.
>>
> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>> More than 3 metres from the bath/shower, and you can fit a socket
>> outlet.
>> Less than that, and it will have to be a non-switched FCU, and outside
>> of the bath/shower zones.
>> It must be RCD protected.
>> And be suitable for use in a bathroom.
>>
> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
The Aussies are a more logical race and aren't little scaredy-pants like the Brits. IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the bath!
--
Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed.
Women somehow deteriorate during the night.
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:12:03 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:42:46 -0000, <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>
> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device for sucking up spiders?
I bought a motorised barbecue cleaner from Australia once, it was pathetic.
--
Girl with skirt up run faster than boy with trousers down!!
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>
I bought a motorised barbecue cleaner from Australia once, it was pathetic.
--
Girl with skirt up run faster than boy with trousers down!!
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:12:18 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:52:16 -0000, Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 March 2014 10:42:46 UTC, spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>
>> > Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>
>> > Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>
>>
>>
>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device for sucking up spiders?
>
> &/or penis/ego enlargement...
Do Aussies have small cocks?
> On Wednesday, 5 March 2014 10:42:46 UTC, spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>
>> > Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>
>> > Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>
>>
>>
>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device for sucking up spiders?
>
Do Aussies have small cocks?
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:12:58 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:14:30 -0000, John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 05/03/2014 14:47, F Murtz wrote:
>> spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>>> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>>> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>>
>>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device
>>> for sucking up spiders?
>>>
>>> Owain
>>>
>> Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere to plug
>> the hair drier in.(and shavers for the men)
>
> Shavers go into a transformer isolated shaver socket...
>
> If you want to dry your hair, then go somewhere other than the bathroom ;-)
It tends to be the bathroom where you've washed your hair, and where the mirror is!
--
The average person over 50 will have spent 5 years waiting in lines.
> On 05/03/2014 14:47, F Murtz wrote:
>> spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>>> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>>> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>>
>>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device
>>> for sucking up spiders?
>>>
>>>
>> Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere to plug
>> the hair drier in.(and shavers for the men)
>
> Shavers go into a transformer isolated shaver socket...
>
> If you want to dry your hair, then go somewhere other than the bathroom ;-)
It tends to be the bathroom where you've washed your hair, and where the mirror is!
--
The average person over 50 will have spent 5 years waiting in lines.
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:13:10 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:52:49 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <S_6dnRQ55MXQoorO...@brightview.co.uk>,
> make of that. ;-)
You're being far too sensible.
--
A group of cowboys were branding some cattle.
While they were out the cook saw a sheep tied to a post. Thinking it was for that nights dinner he cooked it.
That night after dinner the cowboys were all sulking and ignoring the cook. He pulled one aside and asked, "Did I screw up the cooking?"
"No", the cowboy replied, "You cooked up the screwing."
> In article <S_6dnRQ55MXQoorO...@brightview.co.uk>,
> John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
>> > Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere to plug
>> > the hair drier in.(and shavers for the men)
>
>> Shavers go into a transformer isolated shaver socket...
>
>> If you want to dry your hair, then go somewhere other than the bathroom ;-)
>
> Or fit a suitably large isolating transformer? Wonder what the regs would
>> > Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere to plug
>> > the hair drier in.(and shavers for the men)
>
>> Shavers go into a transformer isolated shaver socket...
>
>> If you want to dry your hair, then go somewhere other than the bathroom ;-)
>
> make of that. ;-)
You're being far too sensible.
--
A group of cowboys were branding some cattle.
While they were out the cook saw a sheep tied to a post. Thinking it was for that nights dinner he cooked it.
That night after dinner the cowboys were all sulking and ignoring the cook. He pulled one aside and asked, "Did I screw up the cooking?"
"No", the cowboy replied, "You cooked up the screwing."
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:13:28 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 22:21:33 -0000, <j...@mdfs.net> wrote:
> F Murtz wrote:
>> Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere
>> to plug the hair drier in.
>
> What, and give them an excuse to lock themselves in there *even*
> *longer*?
>
> Women obviously don't have bladders and so don't realise that
> other people do have, that's the only explanation I can think of.
Why do you have a house with only one toilet?
> F Murtz wrote:
>> Don't you have women there? ours would go mad without somewhere
>> to plug the hair drier in.
>
> *longer*?
>
> Women obviously don't have bladders and so don't realise that
> other people do have, that's the only explanation I can think of.
Why do you have a house with only one toilet?
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:14:11 AM3/7/14
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--
If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed. -- Voltaire
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:16:01 AM3/7/14
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 23:59:52 -0000, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>> said no.
>>
>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>
> * FCU Federal Credit Union
> ***** FCU Florida Credit Union
> **** FCU Fan Coil Unit
> **** FCU Fuel Control Unit
> **** FCU Flexor Carpi Ulnaris
> **** FCU Flight Control Unit
> *** FCU Familial Cold Urticaria
> *** FCU Fire Control Unit
> *** FCU Flow Control Unit
> ** FCU Field Camera Unit
Only if the person using the bathroom gets a percentage of the income from publishing the porn film.
> ***** FCU Florida Credit Union
> **** FCU Fan Coil Unit
> **** FCU Fuel Control Unit
> **** FCU Flexor Carpi Ulnaris
> **** FCU Flight Control Unit
> *** FCU Familial Cold Urticaria
> *** FCU Fire Control Unit
> *** FCU Flow Control Unit
> ** FCU Field Camera Unit
> ** FCU Fare Construction Unit (airfare)
> ** FCU Field Communication Unit
> ** FCU Feedback Control Unit
> ** FCU Fuel Consumption Unit
> * FCU Filter/Combiner Unit
> * FCU Fussball Club Unterstrass (Zurich, Swiss soccer club)
> * FCU Fluid Cooling Unit
> * FCU Foals and Calves University (gaming)
> * FCU Formation Continue Universitaire (French: Continuing Education
> University)
> * FCU Foster Care Unit (various locations)
> * FCU Fukuyama City University (Hiroshima, Japan)
> * FCU Fused Connection Unit
> * FCU Financial Credit Union (various locations)
> * FCU Feng Chia University (Taiwan)
> * FCU Ferrovia Centrale Umbra (Italian: Umbrian Central Railway)
> * FCU Fact Checkers Unit (web series)
> * FCU Faith Community United (various locations)
It's called "Windows XP" because its full name, "The Repair Shop and Help-Desk Full Employment Act of 2006", won't fit on the box.
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:16:23 AM3/7/14
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 00:45:18 -0000, Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <531668f5$0$19051$c3e8da3$cc4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
I thought it was a fused CONSUMER unit?
--
I called a company and asked to speak to Bob. The person
who answered said, "Bob is on vacation. Would you like to
hold?"
> In article <531668f5$0$19051$c3e8da3$cc4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
> F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>
>> * FCU Fused Connection Unit
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>
I thought it was a fused CONSUMER unit?
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who answered said, "Bob is on vacation. Would you like to
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Mar 7, 2014, 9:17:55 AM3/7/14
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Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:18:26 AM3/7/14
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 10:39:12 -0000, Dave W <dave...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:59:52 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:59:52 +1100, F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>> said no.
>>>
>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>
>> * FCU Federal Credit Union
>> ***** FCU Florida Credit Union
>> **** FCU Fan Coil Unit
>> **** FCU Fuel Control Unit
>> **** FCU Flexor Carpi Ulnaris
>> **** FCU Flight Control Unit
>> *** FCU Familial Cold Urticaria
>> *** FCU Fire Control Unit
>> *** FCU Flow Control Unit
>> ** FCU Field Camera Unit
>> ***** FCU Florida Credit Union
>> **** FCU Fan Coil Unit
>> **** FCU Fuel Control Unit
>> **** FCU Flexor Carpi Ulnaris
>> **** FCU Flight Control Unit
>> *** FCU Familial Cold Urticaria
>> *** FCU Fire Control Unit
>> *** FCU Flow Control Unit
>> ** FCU Field Camera Unit
>> ** FCU Fare Construction Unit (airfare)
>> ** FCU Field Communication Unit
>> ** FCU Feedback Control Unit
>> ** FCU Fuel Consumption Unit
>> * FCU Filter/Combiner Unit
>> * FCU Fussball Club Unterstrass (Zurich, Swiss soccer club)
>> * FCU Fluid Cooling Unit
>> * FCU Foals and Calves University (gaming)
>> * FCU Formation Continue Universitaire (French: Continuing Education
>> University)
>> * FCU Foster Care Unit (various locations)
>> * FCU Fukuyama City University (Hiroshima, Japan)
>> ** FCU Field Communication Unit
>> ** FCU Feedback Control Unit
>> ** FCU Fuel Consumption Unit
>> * FCU Filter/Combiner Unit
>> * FCU Fussball Club Unterstrass (Zurich, Swiss soccer club)
>> * FCU Fluid Cooling Unit
>> * FCU Foals and Calves University (gaming)
>> * FCU Formation Continue Universitaire (French: Continuing Education
>> University)
>> * FCU Foster Care Unit (various locations)
>> * FCU Fukuyama City University (Hiroshima, Japan)
>> * FCU Fused Connection Unit
>> * FCU Financial Credit Union (various locations)
>> * FCU Feng Chia University (Taiwan)
>> * FCU Ferrovia Centrale Umbra (Italian: Umbrian Central Railway)
>> * FCU Fact Checkers Unit (web series)
>> * FCU Faith Community United (various locations)
>
>> * FCU Feng Chia University (Taiwan)
>> * FCU Ferrovia Centrale Umbra (Italian: Umbrian Central Railway)
>> * FCU Fact Checkers Unit (web series)
>> * FCU Faith Community United (various locations)
>
> Now can you provide a similar list for "de hum"? These people who talk
> in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
My second guess was right. My first guess was some kind of large 4wd vehicle.
> in code will not get help from anyone who doesn't know what it means.
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What does Michael Jackson like about twenty-eight year olds?
The fact that there are twenty of them.
Uncle Peter
Mar 7, 2014, 9:19:01 AM3/7/14
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 13:44:00 -0000, dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
> On 06/03/2014 11:55, Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> Shouldn't take more than 1.85 secs to decode "de hum", with "bathroom"
>> as the prime clue.
>>
>
> Its code for extractor fan isn't it?
Incorrectly, yes. A dehumidifier ABSORBS water, not blasts it outside.
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> On 06/03/2014 11:55, Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> Shouldn't take more than 1.85 secs to decode "de hum", with "bathroom"
>> as the prime clue.
>>
>
Incorrectly, yes. A dehumidifier ABSORBS water, not blasts it outside.
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js...@ntlworld.com
Mar 7, 2014, 5:11:48 PM3/7/14
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:30:38 PM UTC, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no. Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
Better to fit a fan, preferably internally thermal shuttered re draughts & mitigating some of the recent wind generated noise.
> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
> said no. Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
Zones for wet room style showers with level access:
- Where a shower is open, with no basin, there is NO Zone 2.
- Instead Zone 1 extends 1.2m from the shower OUTLET(*) in an arc & said arc folds around obstacles in a secondary arc.
- A socket MAY be placed within 3m of the END of the Zone 1's arc.
At first glance that sounds like no room can have a socket, wrong:
#1 - A bathroom of 16-20m2 is usually big enough to have sockets on the diagonally opposing wall corner.
#2 - Many appliances may be suitably fitted by SFCU, rather than a socket. As is typically done in higher end hotels hard wiring everything (in some cases I note they use a cord outlet and SFCU, in case regs go more European).
Technically you can argue no socket within 300mm of a wall corner, but in that case it comes down to frequency of unplugging - you can always remote switch the socket should that be the actual issue.
Technically some argue any wiring accessory may be subject to condensation, where the surface temperature of the material falls below the dew point. This is avoided by a) sufficient ventilation and b) not fitting such accessories to uninsulated exterior walls (colleague did this after a BCO brought it up, along with using an AI with his own electrician to avoid the BCOs).
Note, adding doors to even a level access wet room area in a bathroom changes the zones. However, designing for no doors being present may be good practice. Alternatively as a colleague did, proximity sensors on doors open operates a shut off valve on the shower. Adds another layer of protection (and ummm, failure risk).
The big problem remains portable appliances - there is NO regulation requiring cables be reduced in length to respect zones. However since portable appliances cause the VAST MAJORITY of deaths in the UK (something our dimwit MPs and their lobbyists can't admit) it would be wise to hard wire as much as necessary. Colleagues water interlock on the doors is a neat idea, quality solenoid valves and proximity sensors are not cheap though.
A very large number of houses in the UK lack proper ventilation - re kitchen & bathroom. Short run & thermally shuttered fans do make a difference.
John Rumm
Mar 8, 2014, 9:20:34 AM3/8/14
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On 07/03/2014 14:14, Uncle Peter wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:06:52 -0000, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew May wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>
>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>
>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>> Part P?
>>
>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>
>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>
> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a shaver
> socket in my own bathroom?
Notify, as in submit (and pay for) a building notice, yes.
> On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:06:52 -0000, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew May wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>
>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>
>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>> Part P?
>>
>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>
>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>
> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a shaver
> socket in my own bathroom?
...or employ someone who is a member of a scheme that allows them to
self certify the work.
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js...@ntlworld.com
Mar 8, 2014, 9:57:54 AM3/8/14
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On Thursday, March 6, 2014 6:06:52 PM UTC, adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Andrew May wrote:
> > Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
> > Part P?
>
> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
The SI says "special location" means-
> Andrew May wrote:
> > Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
> > Part P?
>
> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
"(a) WITHIN a room containing a bath or shower, the SPACE surrounding a bath tap or shower head, where the SPACE extends-" and goes on to define the vertical Zone & horizontal Zone (without using that term).
Interesting wording when you consider partitions & doors, definition of a room, very large rooms etc.
Quite why they could not just write "within Zones & their limitations as defined by BS7671" is just typical.
Uncle Peter
Mar 8, 2014, 10:13:58 AM3/8/14
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 14:20:34 -0000, John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 14:14, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:06:52 -0000, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew May wrote:
>>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>>
>>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>>> Part P?
>>>
>>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>>
>>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>>
>> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a shaver
>> socket in my own bathroom?
>
> Notify, as in submit (and pay for) a building notice, yes.
>
> ...or employ someone who is a member of a scheme that allows them to
> self certify the work.
Like anyone bothers with that, that's absurd.
> On 07/03/2014 14:14, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:06:52 -0000, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew May wrote:
>>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>>
>>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>>> Part P?
>>>
>>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>>
>>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>>
>> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a shaver
>> socket in my own bathroom?
>
> Notify, as in submit (and pay for) a building notice, yes.
>
> ...or employ someone who is a member of a scheme that allows them to
> self certify the work.
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Mar 9, 2014, 4:53:57 AM3/9/14
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the zones then you would not need to notify.
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Adam
news:op.xccu5...@red.lan...
> On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:06:52 -0000, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew May wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>
>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>
>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>> Part P?
>>
>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>
>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>
> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a shaver
> socket in my own bathroom?
It would depend where you wanted to stick the shaver point" If it is outside
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew May wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>
>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>
>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>> Part P?
>>
>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>
>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>
> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a shaver
> socket in my own bathroom?
the zones then you would not need to notify.
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Adam
Tim Lamb
Mar 9, 2014, 5:08:54 AM3/9/14
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In message <lfha75$nn2$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
Umm.. What about a towel rail mounted in zone 2 but fed by surface
clipped flex from outside the zones?
>
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<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
clipped flex from outside the zones?
>
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Mar 9, 2014, 7:06:00 AM3/9/14
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On 07/03/2014 14:10 Uncle Peter wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:50:40 -0000, F <news@nowhere> wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2014 22:21 Roger Mills wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>>> said no.
>>>>
>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
>>> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
>>> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>>>
>>> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
>>> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
>>> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
>>
>> They seem to be stripping out as much as they can. It'll be 'bring your
>> own bed' next.
>
> It's meant to be somewhere CHEAP to spend a night on a journey, not a
> luxury hotel.
And we used them until they stripped them down to the bare bones. We use
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:50:40 -0000, F <news@nowhere> wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2014 22:21 Roger Mills wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de hum. I
>>>> said no.
>>>>
>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Think so - as long as there's a switch outside the bathroom or a
>>> pull-switch inside - but not one on the FCU itself. It's the way that
>>> electric towel rails seem to be connected in TravelLodges, etc. [1]
>>>
>>> [1] Or maybe how they *used* to do it. They don't seem to use electric
>>> towel rails at all now, and the outlets are blanked off. Maybe the regs
>>> have changed - or maybe they just want to save electricity?!
>>
>> They seem to be stripping out as much as they can. It'll be 'bring your
>> own bed' next.
>
> It's meant to be somewhere CHEAP to spend a night on a journey, not a
> luxury hotel.
Premier Travel Inn now.
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F
Tim Lamb
Mar 9, 2014, 7:02:09 AM3/9/14
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In message <bo2uf5...@mid.individual.net>, Huge
<Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
>long as you don't do nonsense like putting sockets in shower cubicles,
>who is going to know or care?
Prospective lodger so I'm trying to follow the rules:-)
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<Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
>On 2014-03-09, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a
>>>>shaver socket in my own bathroom?
>>>
>>>
>>>It would depend where you wanted to stick the shaver point" If it is
>>>outside the zones then you would not need to notify.
>>
>> Umm.. What about a towel rail mounted in zone 2 but fed by surface
>> clipped flex from outside the zones?
>
>Or you could do what everyone with a brain does; ignore the rules. So
>>>> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a
>>>>shaver socket in my own bathroom?
>>>
>>>
>>>It would depend where you wanted to stick the shaver point" If it is
>>>outside the zones then you would not need to notify.
>>
>> Umm.. What about a towel rail mounted in zone 2 but fed by surface
>> clipped flex from outside the zones?
>
>long as you don't do nonsense like putting sockets in shower cubicles,
>who is going to know or care?
Prospective lodger so I'm trying to follow the rules:-)
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ARW
Mar 9, 2014, 7:19:03 AM3/9/14
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"Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
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17th edition regs.
I am all for DIYers ignoring the notification part as long as they do a safe
job.
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> On 2014-03-09, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Or you could do what everyone with a brain does; ignore the rules. So
> long as you don't do nonsense like putting sockets in shower cubicles,
> who is going to know or care?
I assume that you mean ignore the notification process but still follow the
> long as you don't do nonsense like putting sockets in shower cubicles,
> who is going to know or care?
17th edition regs.
I am all for DIYers ignoring the notification part as long as they do a safe
job.
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ARW
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"Tim Lamb" <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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A tricky one. The electrician could install the power point and leave the
customer to fit the towel rad. The customer could then install the rad in
zone 1.
If the rad is suitable for use in zone 2 then go for it. Points noted about
the lodger status.
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customer to fit the towel rad. The customer could then install the rad in
zone 1.
If the rad is suitable for use in zone 2 then go for it. Points noted about
the lodger status.
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Mar 9, 2014, 8:16:54 AM3/9/14
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"Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 2014-03-09, ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
>
> [37 lines snipped]
>> "Huge" <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
>> I assume that you mean ignore the notification process but still follow
>> the
>> 17th edition regs.
>
> Not necessarily.
>> I assume that you mean ignore the notification process but still follow
>> the
>> 17th edition regs.
>
The 16th edition was also safe -it just had less RCD circuits in the
bathroom.
In fact it was probably safer than the 17th edition due to the bonding
needed.
>> I am all for DIYers ignoring the notification part as long as they do a
>> safe
>> job.
>
So am I most of the time:-)
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John Rumm
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ARW
Mar 9, 2014, 12:59:29 PM3/9/14
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"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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be OK for that.
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> On 09/03/2014 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <lfha75$nn2$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xccu5...@red.lan...
>>>> On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:06:52 -0000, ARW
>>>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew May wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>>>>> Part P?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>>>>
>>>> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a
>>>> shaver socket in my own bathroom?
>>>
>>>
>>> It would depend where you wanted to stick the shaver point" If it is
>>> outside the zones then you would not need to notify.
>>
>> Umm.. What about a towel rail mounted in zone 2 but fed by surface
>> clipped flex from outside the zones?
>
> The appliance itself would still need to be (S)ELV and IPx4 though...
No need for the SELV, it just needs to be suitable for zone 2. IPx4 should
>> In message <lfha75$nn2$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:op.xccu5...@red.lan...
>>>> On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:06:52 -0000, ARW
>>>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew May wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/03/2014 20:30, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>>>> Customer asked if I could fit a socket in a bathroom to run a de
>>>>>>> hum. I said no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it OK regs wise to install a FCU & wire the de hum into that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't a bathroom about the only area that is still notifiable under
>>>>>> Part P?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much so. The full list of notifiable works is here
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/a/ac/Notifiable.JPG
>>>>
>>>> What, so technically I have to notify the council when I stick a
>>>> shaver socket in my own bathroom?
>>>
>>>
>>> It would depend where you wanted to stick the shaver point" If it is
>>> outside the zones then you would not need to notify.
>>
>> Umm.. What about a towel rail mounted in zone 2 but fed by surface
>> clipped flex from outside the zones?
>
> The appliance itself would still need to be (S)ELV and IPx4 though...
be OK for that.
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On Friday, March 7, 2014 2:11:31 PM UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
> The Aussies are a more logical race and aren't little scaredy-pants like the Brits. IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the bath!
>
I wouldn't like to try that. An ELCB (RCD) does nothing to reduce the magnitude of the current that flows through your body. It just stops it after a short time which is still long enough for the experience to be very unpleasant and quite possibly dangerous.
John
> The Aussies are a more logical race and aren't little scaredy-pants like the Brits. IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the bath!
>
I wouldn't like to try that. An ELCB (RCD) does nothing to reduce the magnitude of the current that flows through your body. It just stops it after a short time which is still long enough for the experience to be very unpleasant and quite possibly dangerous.
John
Tim Lamb
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In message <lfi6lj$nt0$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
er.. Your pocket guide requires it to be *fixed, permanently connected
and suitable for zone 1 according to the manufacturers instructions*.
Doesn't mention SELV or is that implicit?
>
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<adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
and suitable for zone 1 according to the manufacturers instructions*.
Doesn't mention SELV or is that implicit?
>
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John Williamson
Mar 9, 2014, 3:07:11 PM3/9/14
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immune to electric shocks of 240v Volts or so.
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Tciao for Now!
John.
Uncle Peter
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Here are some actual maintenance complaints/problems, generally known as squawks, recently submitted by QANTAS Pilots to maintenance engineers. After attending to the squawks, maintenance crews are required to log the details of the action taken to solve the pilots' squawks.
Problem - Left inside main tyre almost needs replacement.
Solution - Almost replaced left inside main tyre.
Problem - Test flight OK, except autoland very rough.
Solution - Autoland not installed on this aircraft.
Problem - No. 2 propeller seeping prop fluid.
Solution - No. 2 propeller seepage normal. Nos. 1, 3 and 4 propellers lack normal seepage.
Problem - Something loose in cockpit.
Solution - Something tightened in cockpit.
Problem - Dead bugs on windshield.
Solution - Live bugs on backorder.
Problem - Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200-fpm descent.
Solution - Cannot reproduce problem on ground.
Problem - Evidence of leak on right main landing gear.
Solution - Evidence removed.
Problem - DME volume unbelievably loud.
Solution - Volume set to more believable level.
Problem - Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.
Solution - That's what they are there for!
Problem - IFF inoperative.
Solution - IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.
Problem - Suspected crack in windscreen.
Solution - Suspect you're right.
Problem - Number 3 engine missing.
Solution - Engine found on right wing after brief search.
Problem - Aircraft handles funny.
Solution - Aircraft warned to "Straighten up, Fly Right, and Be Serious."
Problem - Target radar hums.
Solution - Reprogrammed target radar with words.
Problem - Mouse in cockpit.
Solution - Cat installed.
Defect: Seat cushion in 13F smells rotten.
Action: Fresh seat cushion on order.
Defect: Turn & slip indicator ball stuck in center during turns.
Action: Congratulations. You just made your first coordinated turn!
Defect: Whining sound heard on engine shutdown.
Action: Pilot removed from aircraft.
Defect: Pilot's clock inoperative.
Action: Wound clock.
Defect: Autopilot tends to drop a wing when fuel imbalance reaches 500 pounds.
Action: Flight manual limits maximum fuel imbalance to 300 pounds.
Defect: #2 ADF needle runs wild.
Action: Caught and tamed #2 ADF needle.
Defect: Unfamiliar noise coming from #2 engine.
Action: Engine run for four hours. Noise now familiar.
Defect: Noise coming from #2 engine. Sounds like man with little hammer.
Action: Took little hammer away from man in #2 engine.
Defect: Whining noise coming from #2 engine compartment.
Action: Returned little hammer to man in #2 engine.
Defect: Flight attendant cold at altitude.
Action: Ground checks OK.
Defect: 3 roaches in cabin.
Action: 1 roach killed, 1 wounded, 1 got away.
Defect: Weather radar went ape!
Action: Opened radar, let out ape, cleaned up mess!
Uncle Peter
Mar 9, 2014, 4:18:36 PM3/9/14
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"Boy, will I give YOU a haircut!" said Tom barbarously.
Uncle Peter
Mar 9, 2014, 4:18:58 PM3/9/14
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 18:17:26 -0000, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <lfi6lj$nt0$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> "John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
>> news:O4SdnRBF7M5rFIHO...@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On 09/03/2014 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> In message <lfha75$nn2$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
>>>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xccu5...@red.lan...
>>>>>
>>>>>
> In message <lfi6lj$nt0$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> "John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
>> news:O4SdnRBF7M5rFIHO...@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On 09/03/2014 09:08, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> In message <lfha75$nn2$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW
>>>> <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>>> "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.xccu5...@red.lan...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would depend where you wanted to stick the shaver point" If it is
>>>>> outside the zones then you would not need to notify.
>>>>
>>>> Umm.. What about a towel rail mounted in zone 2 but fed by surface
>>>> clipped flex from outside the zones?
>>>
>>> The appliance itself would still need to be (S)ELV and IPx4 though...
>>
>>
>> No need for the SELV, it just needs to be suitable for zone 2. IPx4
>> should be OK for that.
>
> er.. Your pocket guide requires it to be *fixed, permanently connected
> and suitable for zone 1 according to the manufacturers instructions*.
> Doesn't mention SELV or is that implicit?
I can't believe you guys bother with all that shit.
>>>>> outside the zones then you would not need to notify.
>>>>
>>>> Umm.. What about a towel rail mounted in zone 2 but fed by surface
>>>> clipped flex from outside the zones?
>>>
>>> The appliance itself would still need to be (S)ELV and IPx4 though...
>>
>>
>> No need for the SELV, it just needs to be suitable for zone 2. IPx4
>> should be OK for that.
>
> er.. Your pocket guide requires it to be *fixed, permanently connected
> and suitable for zone 1 according to the manufacturers instructions*.
> Doesn't mention SELV or is that implicit?
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When there's a will, I want to be in it!
Uncle Peter
Mar 9, 2014, 4:20:25 PM3/9/14
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Confucius say: "Man who run in front of car get tired"
Uncle Peter
Mar 9, 2014, 4:20:47 PM3/9/14
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Q: Why can't you have a circumcised Morris dancer?
A: Because you have to be a complete prick to be a Morris dancer.
jrwal...@gmail.com
Mar 9, 2014, 6:12:33 PM3/9/14
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On Sunday, March 9, 2014 8:20:47 PM UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 19:07:11 -0000, John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On 09/03/2014 18:14, jrwal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, March 7, 2014 2:11:31 PM UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
> >>> The Aussies are a more logical race and aren't little scaredy-pants like the Brits. IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the bath!
> >> I wouldn't like to try that. An ELCB (RCD) does nothing to reduce the magnitude of the current that flows through your body. It just stops it after a short time which is still long enough for the experience to be very unpleasant and quite possibly dangerous.
> > Unless you're Uncle Peter, who has repeatedly claimed in here that he is
> > immune to electric shocks of 240v Volts or so.
> Most electricians have had plenty of shocks.
>
In the bath? Really?
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 19:07:11 -0000, John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On 09/03/2014 18:14, jrwal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, March 7, 2014 2:11:31 PM UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
> >>> The Aussies are a more logical race and aren't little scaredy-pants like the Brits. IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the bath!
> >> I wouldn't like to try that. An ELCB (RCD) does nothing to reduce the magnitude of the current that flows through your body. It just stops it after a short time which is still long enough for the experience to be very unpleasant and quite possibly dangerous.
> > Unless you're Uncle Peter, who has repeatedly claimed in here that he is
> > immune to electric shocks of 240v Volts or so.
> Most electricians have had plenty of shocks.
>
John
Uncle Peter
Mar 9, 2014, 6:17:24 PM3/9/14
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What is the punishment for bigamy?
Two mother-in-laws.
jrwal...@gmail.com
Mar 9, 2014, 7:49:03 PM3/9/14
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On Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:17:24 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
> > In the bath? Really?
> In all sorts of places. My neighbour was shocked while up a ladder. I was shocked while mowing the lawn, and while operating a wet and dry hoover in the rain.
But we aren't talking about all those other places. You were very specific:
> > In the bath? Really?
> In all sorts of places. My neighbour was shocked while up a ladder. I was shocked while mowing the lawn, and while operating a wet and dry hoover in the rain.
"IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the bath!"
John
Uncle Peter
Mar 9, 2014, 8:06:24 PM3/9/14
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A man came home from work earlier than usual and caught his wife in bed with his best friend.
Enraged, the husband grabbed a gun and shot his friend.
His wife said, "You know, if you go on like this, you're going to lose ALL your friends."
F Murtz
Mar 10, 2014, 6:09:42 AM3/10/14
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Uncle Peter wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:52:16 -0000, Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 5 March 2014 10:42:46 UTC, spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>>
>>> > Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>>
>>> > Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device
>>> for sucking up spiders?
>>
>> &/or penis/ego enlargement...
>
> Do Aussies have small cocks?
>
Only the ones that came from the UK.
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:52:16 -0000, Jim K <jk98...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 5 March 2014 10:42:46 UTC, spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>>
>>> > Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>>
>>> > Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device
>>> for sucking up spiders?
>>
>> &/or penis/ego enlargement...
>
> Do Aussies have small cocks?
>
Only the ones that came from the UK.
F Murtz
Mar 10, 2014, 6:11:01 AM3/10/14
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Uncle Peter wrote:
>
Must have been designed in the UK :)
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 10:42:46 -0000, <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>
>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device
>> for sucking up spiders?
>
> I bought a motorised barbecue cleaner from Australia once, it was pathetic.
>
>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:04:08 AM UTC, F Murtz wrote:
>>> Blimey you people have got it tough,Almost every modern bathroom in
>>> Australia has a GPO (general purpose outlet)(power point)or two
>>
>> Is that for plugging in the beer cooler or the little vacuum device
>> for sucking up spiders?
>
>
Must have been designed in the UK :)
dennis@home
Mar 10, 2014, 6:26:55 AM3/10/14
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difference shock wise.
Unless there is a return path through the water and through you to earth
or the other pole not much happens.
I have experienced similar first hand when I was about 10yo, having
dropped a mains lighting socket in a fish tank (conductive water) and
tried to retrieve it.
All I got was a tingling that got worse the closer you got to the
socket, it was impossible to actually pick it up.
If I had been holding onto some earthed metal I expect it might have
been a bit more shocking.
I doubt if there is actually any chance of getting a serious shock by
dropping a portable appliance in the bath with you. But you might get
one trying to retrieve it.
Uncle Peter
Mar 10, 2014, 6:56:28 AM3/10/14
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Every day more money is printed for Monopoly than the US Treasury.
John Rumm
Mar 10, 2014, 9:49:02 AM3/10/14
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On 10/03/2014 00:06, Uncle Peter wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 23:49:03 -0000, <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:17:24 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>> > In the bath? Really?
>>> In all sorts of places. My neighbour was shocked while up a ladder.
>>> I was shocked while mowing the lawn, and while operating a wet and
>>> dry hoover in the rain.
>> But we aren't talking about all those other places. You were very
>> specific:
>> "IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the
>> bath!"
>
> What makes you think a bath is any more dangerous? I suppose if it got
> you on the gentleman's area it could hurt more, but it would be no more
> likely to kill you.
The risk from a shock grows as the shock current rises, or the duration
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 23:49:03 -0000, <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:17:24 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>> > In the bath? Really?
>>> In all sorts of places. My neighbour was shocked while up a ladder.
>>> I was shocked while mowing the lawn, and while operating a wet and
>>> dry hoover in the rain.
>> But we aren't talking about all those other places. You were very
>> specific:
>> "IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the
>> bath!"
>
> What makes you think a bath is any more dangerous? I suppose if it got
> you on the gentleman's area it could hurt more, but it would be no more
> likely to kill you.
increases.
The particular risk of baths and showers is that there is a greater
chance your skin will be wet, and this will reduce its electrical
resistance, and that in turn can increase the magnitude of the shock
current.
So while the 40ms response of the RCD is designed to limit the harm
caused, that does not mean it will be pain or damage free.
Uncle Peter
Mar 10, 2014, 11:19:53 AM3/10/14
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 13:49:02 -0000, John Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 10/03/2014 00:06, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 23:49:03 -0000, <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:17:24 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>>> > In the bath? Really?
>>>> In all sorts of places. My neighbour was shocked while up a ladder.
>>>> I was shocked while mowing the lawn, and while operating a wet and
>>>> dry hoover in the rain.
>>> But we aren't talking about all those other places. You were very
>>> specific:
>>> "IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the
>>> bath!"
>>
>> What makes you think a bath is any more dangerous? I suppose if it got
>> you on the gentleman's area it could hurt more, but it would be no more
>> likely to kill you.
>
> The risk from a shock grows as the shock current rises, or the duration
> increases.
>
> The particular risk of baths and showers is that there is a greater
> chance your skin will be wet, and this will reduce its electrical
> resistance, and that in turn can increase the magnitude of the shock
> current.
>
> So while the 40ms response of the RCD is designed to limit the harm
> caused, that does not mean it will be pain or damage free.
Well in the kitchen your hands are very often wet, and that's full of sockets.
> On 10/03/2014 00:06, Uncle Peter wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 23:49:03 -0000, <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 9 March 2014 22:17:24 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
>>>> > In the bath? Really?
>>>> In all sorts of places. My neighbour was shocked while up a ladder.
>>>> I was shocked while mowing the lawn, and while operating a wet and
>>>> dry hoover in the rain.
>>> But we aren't talking about all those other places. You were very
>>> specific:
>>> "IF you've got an ELCB, you can't hurt yourself even if it was IN the
>>> bath!"
>>
>> What makes you think a bath is any more dangerous? I suppose if it got
>> you on the gentleman's area it could hurt more, but it would be no more
>> likely to kill you.
>
> The risk from a shock grows as the shock current rises, or the duration
> increases.
>
> The particular risk of baths and showers is that there is a greater
> chance your skin will be wet, and this will reduce its electrical
> resistance, and that in turn can increase the magnitude of the shock
> current.
>
> So while the 40ms response of the RCD is designed to limit the harm
> caused, that does not mean it will be pain or damage free.
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System error 4C: kernel panic
F Murtz
Mar 10, 2014, 12:24:14 PM3/10/14
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Uncle Peter
Mar 10, 2014, 12:25:08 PM3/10/14
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A friend of mine suffers from verdigris. Goes green when looking down from a height!
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