Replacing an old uPVC door handle - is it possible?

[Bert Coules]

As part of the refurbishment of my elderly relative's bungalow prior to
putting it on the market, I'd like to replace the tatty, chipped front door
handle. There's a picture at http://tinyurl.com/c6xghdh .

The uPVC door was fitted something like fifteen years ago by a local firm
long since extinct (though I imagine they bought in their windows and doors)
so is it feasible to replace just the handle? There seems to be a single
grub screw on the underside of the boss (if that's the right term) so I'm
hoping that it's simply screwed to a straight-through spindle, but I'm
mildly reluctant to remove without more definite knowledge in case the whole
thing falls apart.

Many thanks.

[Bert Coules]

Alternatively, could I simply repaint it? I'd like to do more than just a
superficial cosmetic fix though, so is there a suitable paint?

[Andy Cap]

On 08/08/12 20:02, Bert Coules wrote:
> Alternatively, could I simply repaint it? I'd like to do more than just
> a superficial cosmetic fix though, so is there a suitable paint?
>

Most handles these days, seem to come with the handle integral to the
face plate, whereas yours appears a separate item which I've not come
across in my searches for a replacement handle.

The measurements are critical too, length, bottom fixing to lock, lock
to handle and so on. Have a look here.

http://upvcdoorhandles.co.uk/

Mine is 48mm, lock to handle and seemingly no longer available in the
length I require. Anyway it's too late now, as I've decided to replace
the door.

As it's for refurbishment prior to sale, I'd probably leave it but if
you want to brighten it up, give it a light sanding and spray it with
something like this, which is fairly hard wearing.

Hammerite Appliance Enamel Paint White 400ml

Andy C

[Bert Coules]

Andy,

Thanks for that. If I'm right about the grub-screw attachment, and if I can
find a similar handle not too far away in design from the existing one
(which is doubtful, I suspect) then a simple swap ought to be
straightforward. If not...

> As it's for refurbishment prior to sale, I'd probably leave it...

Hmm. First impressions are what count, and all that. And the rest of the
door is perfectly OK: the handle really lets it down.

> ...give it a light sanding and spray it with something like this, which is
> fairly hard wearing.

I didn't know you could get spray Hammerite. Sounds well worth checking
out, thanks.

Bert

[NT]

Those halde assemblies are standard stuff, though I've not seen one in
that style before. Handle and the plate its on replaces as one unit.
Fixing screws will be on the plate on the other side.


NT

[Bert Coules]

NT wrote:

> Those halde assemblies are standard stuff, though I've not seen one in
> that style before. Handle and the plate its on replaces as one unit.
> Fixing screws will be on the plate on the other side.

Ah, right. So I was correct about the grub screw, and if I check for one on
the other side, I won't find it?

Many thanks.

[Ilene D'over]

Bert Coules <ma...@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote...

The grub screw should be on the inside handle with the outside handle
fixed to the spindle. Unfortunately, a lot of older door sets didn't
come handed or the manufacturer didn't want to stock both types so the
grub screw ended up on the outside.

This wasn't a problem with symmetrical handles except that the grub
screw could be visible on the top of the handle inside.

You should be able to get a replacement set of handles but, the
suggestion of spray painting the handle seems the best idea to me.

--
Ilene

[Bert Coules]

"Ilene D'over" wrote:

> The grub screw should be on the inside handle with the outside handle
> fixed to the spindle.

This one is, as you say, the exact opposite. But at least that means that
the plate securing screws are inside rather than accessible from the street,
which I would have thought was a good thing.

> You should be able to get a replacement set of handles but, the suggestion
> of spray painting the handle seems the best idea to me.

Yes, that is beginning to look like the favourite option.

[Ilene D'over]

Bert Coules <ma...@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote...

>"Ilene D'over" wrote:
>
>> The grub screw should be on the inside handle with the outside handle
>>fixed to the spindle.
>
>This one is, as you say, the exact opposite. But at least that means
>that the plate securing screws are inside rather than accessible from
>the street, which I would have thought was a good thing.

Yep, plate screws on the inside, always!. The reason for the spindle
being fixed to the outside handle is so that you can still get into the
house if the inside handle falls off. The other way round and you could
push the spindle through while trying to get the outside handle on :o(

There used to be a lock assembly that had to have the spindle in place
to turn the lock i.e. you could not turn it with a screwdriver because
there was a pin, operated by the spindle, which engaged the mechanism.
ISTR that these were definitely handed and caused all sorts of problems.
Can't remember the name of the manufacturer now.
--
Ilene

[Bert Coules]

I finally tried to remove just the outside handle, by loosening the grub
screw and pulling. Nothing happened. It turns out that the handle is
integral to the front plate: two bolts from the back plate engage in sockets
at the rear of the front plate to hold it in position, and the grub screw is
presumably just an additional securing measure.

I found a supplier with a handle set of the exact same dimensions ("Suitable
for older uPVC doors" they say) at a reasonable price, so the whole lot will
be spruced up both inside and out.

Thanks to everyone who contributed thoughts and ideas.

Bert

[Mike Tomlinson]

In article <TaGdnSJMo6Z98a_N...@brightview.co.uk>, Bert
Coules <ma...@bertcoules.co.uk> writes

>I found a supplier with a handle set of the exact same dimensions ("Suitable
>for older uPVC doors" they say) at a reasonable price, so the whole lot will
>be spruced up both inside and out.

Could you name the supplier please? I need a new handle for my Mum's
front door and can't find a replacement anywhere. The distance between
the two bolt holes is larger than anything I can find on the DIY shed
shelves, and the handles are offset; there's two pins through the lock,
the inside handle operates one and the outside handle operates the
other.

The original supplier of the door claims the handles are no longer
available, that new locks cannot be retrofitted and the only solution is
complete replacement (!)

Ta.

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[Bert Coules]

Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> Could you name the supplier please?

Mike, sorry for the delay in replying: I didn't notice your unanswered post
until today.

The handle came from Handlestore Ltd in Walsall: http://www.handlestore.com/
. Very smooth, very quick service.

Good luck.

Bert

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el art�culo <WPqdna-U_OXuiKTN...@brightview.co.uk>, Bert
Coules <ma...@bertcoules.co.uk> escribi�:

>The handle came from Handlestore Ltd in Walsall: http://www.handlestore.com/
>. Very smooth, very quick service.

I shall take a look. Thanks v. much for getting back.

cheers
M.