Re: Soldering iron flex. Sources of silicone cable

[Adrian Brentnall]

On 18/02/2019 20:24, Tim+ wrote:
> My cheap soldering iron has a rather stiff PVC cable and I'd like
> to replace it with something more flexible (and heat
> resistant).
>
> Any reccommendations for replacement? (50W iron).
>
> Would need suitable strain relief too (for iron and base station).
> The existing SR seems to be heat welded to the existing cable
> outer. How do you do it with heat resistant cable?
>
> Tim
>
I bought some on eBay at the end of last year - search
"Unistrand-3-core-0-5mm-Silicone-Cable-White-suits-Weller-TCP-Soldering-iron-180C"
- if that doesn't work then the seller is 'redwingfish'

Cut to length - £3.50 per metre - free p&p - used it on two of my mains
soldering irons that, like yours, had nasty stiff cable.

I seem to recall that Farnell / RS or similar had it, but only in 50m
rolls...

[tabb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, 18 February 2019 20:48:01 UTC, Adrian Brentnall wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 20:24, Tim+ wrote:
> > My cheap soldering iron has a rather stiff PVC cable and I'd like
> > to replace it with something more flexible (and heat
> > resistant).
> >
> > Any reccommendations for replacement? (50W iron).
> >
> > Would need suitable strain relief too (for iron and base station).
> > The existing SR seems to be heat welded to the existing cable
> > outer. How do you do it with heat resistant cable?
> >
> > Tim

silicone sealant is one option. Use low modulus, not soft high modulus.


NT

[Brian Gaff]

One does need to be careful some of those thermostatically controlled irons
used to have more than three cores presumably for the adjustment of a
thermostat. I thought this was why they were so stiff, particularly in cold
weather in a shed!
Brian

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[Andy Burns]

Brian Gaff wrote:

> I thought this was why they were so stiff,
> particularly in cold weather in a shed!

Is that what they call a "formative youth" Brian?

[Tricky Dicky]

Rapid and CPC do cut lengths, a bit pricey with P&P on top similar prices though.

https://www.rapidonline.com/iron-cables

Richard

[Roger Hayter]

Yes, I recently had need for some two core 2.5mm^2 heat resistant flex.
Not a common commodity, but CPC did it by the metre. P&P mitigated by
getting a PSU at the same time.

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[Tim Watts]

On 18/02/2019 20:24, Tim+ wrote:
> My cheap soldering iron has a rather stiff PVC cable and I'd like
> to replace it with something more flexible (and heat
> resistant).
>
> Any reccommendations for replacement? (50W iron).
>
> Would need suitable strain relief too (for iron and base station).
> The existing SR seems to be heat welded to the existing cable
> outer. How do you do it with heat resistant cable?
>
> Tim
>

RS or Farnell - I had some from them a few years ago.

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[Adrian Brentnall]

On 19/02/2019 14:22, Tim+ wrote:
> Adrian Brentnall <adr...@inspired-glass.com> Wrote in message:
>> On 18/02/2019 20:24, Tim+ wrote:> My cheap soldering iron has a rather stiff PVC cable and I'd like> to replace it with something more flexible (and heat> resistant).> > Any reccommendations for replacement? (50W iron).> > Would need suitable strain relief too (for iron and base station).> The existing SR seems to be heat welded to the existing cable> outer. How do you do it with heat resistant cable?> > Tim> I bought some on eBay at the end of last year - search "Unistrand-3-core-0-5mm-Silicone-Cable-White-suits-Weller-TCP-Soldering-iron-180C" - if that doesn't work then the seller is 'redwingfish'Cut to length - £3.50 per metre - free p&p - used it on two of my mains soldering irons that, like yours, had nasty stiff cable.I seem to recall that Farnell / RS or similar had it, but only in 50m rolls...
>
> Cheers. Found it...
>
> Tim
>
No probs. Makes all the difference - I'm using my iron for soldering on
stained-glass - long seams / beads - work better if you're not fighting
with the mains cable!

[misterroy]

How skilled a job is the stained glass soldering? My wife almost volunteered to do a window a few years back.

[Adrian Brentnall]

Difficult to answer that one without incriminating myself! <grin>

The soldering is of two different types - with copper-foil (aka Tiffany)
technique the solder holds the copper-foil together, and is formed into
a raised bead, to look a bit like traditional lead-came.
There's a skill in getting the finished bead looking right..

With lead-came (as in church windows) the solder is only used at the
intersection of the 'H-section' lead came. The trick here is to get a
good soldered joint without actually melting the lead itself.

There's other skills to master - like cutting the glass accurately,
applying the copper foil or cutting the lead-came and so on.

It's one of those activities where attending a short course, or looking
over the shoulder of somebody who knows what they're doing, will get you
up & running fairly quickly..

Adrian (www.inspired-glass.com)

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Resistant To Extreme Temperature
Resistant To High Temperature
Extruded with a suitable compound, silicone cable can work at an operating temperature up to 300 °C for while (Even 350 with suitable conductors like nickel). And maintain its good mechanical performance within 250 °C for long time using.

Thermal conductivity of thermal interface silicone rubber
Thermal conductivity of thermal interface silicone rubber
Fugure-Silicone cable life long in high temperature
Figure of Silicone cable lifelong in high temperature
Resistant To Low Temperature
Silicone cable’s working low temperature range is -60°C.

And remains good electrical and mechanical performance, softness and flexibility if the temperature is no lower than -40 °C. (Silicone’s indurating temperature of around -115°C). So it does not mean if temperature lower than -40, it does not work. Many factors influence its operation, such as, exposing time, atmosphere situation (like oxygen concentration, ozone), and mechanical stress, tension and so on.

Good Dielectric Properties /Insulation Strength
Silicone rubber has high insulation resistance of 1T·m-100T·m, and its insulating properties are stable over a wide range of temperatures and across a wide frequency spectrum. There is almost no decline in performance even when immersed in water, making silicone rubber an ideal insulating material. It has particularly good resistance to corona discharge and arcing at high voltages. Silicone rubber is thus used extensively as an insulator in high voltage cable.

Silicone rubber insulated wires has perfect dielectric properties, combined with flexibility, when making flexible High Voltage cables, such as 4 awg silicone wire,14awg silicone wire,20 gauge or 22 gauge silicone wire, silicone rubber will be our first optional insulation material, even Teflon also has perfect insulation strength.

Figure-Silicone rubber Dielectronic
Silicone rubber cable insulation thickness and dielectric breakdown voltage
Figure-Silicone rubber cable,s Corona resitance
Resistant To Chemical Substances
Silicone cables are commonly applied in the industries where they are closely contacted with chemicals, especially lubricating oils ,which is used everywhere, like “automation, automotive, chemical Industry and so on .Silicone rubber cables has good resistance to lubricating oils and acid-base. Silicone cable has good chemical stability, except for alkali and hydrofluoric acid, does not interact with other chemical reagents.
Oil and chemical resistance of common methyl vinyl silicone rubber
Type of oil/chemical Immersion conditions Change in properties
°C x h Hardness points Weight % Volume % Tensile strength % Elongation %
Oil ASTM #1 oil 150 x 168 -10 +10 -10 -10
ASTM #3 oil 150 x 168 -25 +40 -20 -20
GM Hydramatic Fluid 94 x 70 -35 +35 -40 -5
Ford Brake Fluid 150 x 72 -20 +15 -60 -40
Diesel Fuel 50 x 168 -30 +105 — —
Gasoline 23 x 168 -20 +165 — —
Skydrol 500A Fluid 70 x 168 -5 +10 -10 +5
Motor oil (SAE #30) 175 x 168 -8 -8 -70 -65
Chemical Acid Conc. Nitric acid 25 x 168 +10 +10 -80 30
7% Nitric acid 25 x 168 < 1 < 1 -50 -30
Conc. Sulfuric acid 25 x 168 Dissolves Dissolves Dissolves Dissolves
10% Sulfuric acid 25 x 168 < 1 < 1 0 0
Acetic acid 25 x 168 +3 +4 -20 +10
5% Acetic acid 25 x 168 +2 +2 -20 +10
Conc. Hydrochloric acid 25 x 168 +3 +4 -40 -20
10% Hydrochloric acid 25 x 168 +2 +2 -50 -50
Alkali 10% Sodium hydroxide solution 25 x 168 -2 -1 -10 0
2% Sodium hydroxide solution 25 x 168 < 1 < 1 0 0
Conc. Ammonia water 25 x 168 +2 +1 -30 +10
10% Ammonia water 25 x 168 +2 +2 -20 0
Other Water 25 x 168 <1 <1 0 0
100 x 70 <1 <1 -10 -10
70 x 168 +1 < 1 -10 +10
3% Hydrogen peroxide solution 25 x 168 < 1 < 1 0 +20
Resistant To Physical Destruction
Resistant To Flame And Fire
Silicone jacket wire is a typical Sihf cable (Silicone Insulated Halogen free), lszh cable (low smoke zero halogen cable) and UL cable such as UL3512 UL3535 UL4535.

High temperature Silicone cables are flame retardant .In case of a fire. The Silicone Jacket or & and insulation crystallize and generate a silica film to cover the conductors, thus remains its insulation properties and to prevent a disaster of circuit or electricity network.

With special retardant compounds, the LOI value (Limiting Oxygen Index) can be increased up to 120-125%.

Physical Stretch (Elongation)
Silicone has high elongation (stretch) which helps flexibility and strength. There is little change in silicone rubber cable even at 250°C.it closely related with the silicone rubber insulation.

Elongation generally refers to “ultimate elongation” or percent increase in original length of a specimen when it breaks.

Typical elongation ranges are listed here. (Note: silicone rubber’s elongation does not equal to silicone cables, elongation)

HCR – High Consistency Silicone Rubber typical elongation range from 90 to 1120%.

FSR – Fluorosilicone Rubber – typical elongation range from 159 to 699%.

LSR – Liquid Silicone Rubber – typical elongation range from 220 to 900%.

*Different processing methods and oven cures change the values considerably.

The thermal characteristics section shows that the elongation of silicone rubber varies linearly with temperature, and holds up longer than most other elastomers.

Tear and Tensile strength of silicone rubber-NOT equal to silicone cable
Waterproof And Pressure Resistant
Silicone cable has good Waterproof and pressure resistance, combined with its resistant to oil and high temperature, it is an ideal choice for automotive wires user and similar application users

Physical Processing
Silicone wires has good resistance to corona, ozone, weathering , UV, aging, radiation.it has good physiological inertness and air permeability .This make it easy to go through many type of physical processing.

Biological Properties
Resistant To Fungus
Silicone itself is not anti-fungicidal, it is neither a food for fungus, so even when there is suitable damp and temperature, fungus or mold will affect the silicone jacket of the cable. And we can formulate the silicone rubber to improve the silicon wires, fungus resistance properties.

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Odorless, tasteless and biological stability, silicones is not a nutrition for bacteria growth and will not stain or pollute others around.

What Are Disadvantage Of Silicone Rubber Cable And Caution When Using
Silicone cables can be seriously damaged by ethers, strong alkalis, liquid fuel, esters, chlorinated hydrocarbons and ketones.
Silicone cable jacket inflate when touched with naphthenic oils.
Silicone cable will be out of service when contacting aromatic base oils at high temperatures (higher than 130-140 °C)
Silicone able has poor abrasion resistance. The silicone wire jacket / sheath is cold extruded after vulcanizing the silicone rubber. The density is not as good as Heat extruded jacket of other materials. It is easy to scrape by sharp objects. So it is better to be applied in static situations and keep away from sharp objects or movement on rough surface.
Surface is it easy to sticky to dust.

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The main reason for the high price of silicone cable is the high cost of silicone rubber and silicone cable manufacturing progress .The cost of silicone rubber is 2-3 times of common plastic materials, and for medical level silicone rubber, its cost is even higher. For Common plastic jacket cable, it only take one step to finish the Insulation/ Jacket extruding. For Silicone cable, it need two steps:

Step1：Silicone rubber vulcanization

Step2：Cold Extrude

The more steps it take, the harder it is to control and more lose will cause.

Silicone rubber cable manufacturing-Extrduing
Silicone rubber cable manufacturing-Extrduing
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Applications In Medical
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Use PTFE sheathed flex. Cores are usually silver plated copper.

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[Adrian Brentnall]

Probably not the 'oldest' reply - after all - it's only two and a half
years late - but an example of a totally clueless spammy reply!

Whoever's paying you to spam irrelevant newsgroups is wasting their money!

Sheesh

Adrian (original poster)