BAC Windows and Doors - Bankrupt?

[David]

I have just ordered replacement double glazing from BAC (full name BAC
Windows and Doors). After ordering I was told (admitedly by a rival
firm) that BAC are forever going bankrupt and that I would probably
loose all my money and that if I did get the windows fitted then any
gaurantee would be worthless.

...I was a bit p#ssed off as I thought BAC had been trading for years
and years, but a quick search at Companies House reveals that they
were incorporated in 2002 - ie they have only existed for 2 years -
and worryingly have traded under 3 different names so far this year!

I cant find out any info prior to 2002 - does anyone know how long
this company (the previous company) traded for prior to 2002? Are BAC
as unstable as this rival salesman suggests or am I worrying about
nothing?

Has anyone needed to claim on a garantee for windows etc fitted prior
to 2002?

Thanks

David Bevan
http://www.davidbevan.co.uk

[Jonathan Bryce]

David wrote:

> I cant find out any info prior to 2002 - does anyone know how long
> this company (the previous company) traded for prior to 2002? Are BAC
> as unstable as this rival salesman suggests or am I worrying about
> nothing?

There are a few companies here. One is BAC Windows Ltd, 01541445, formed
26/01/1981.

The last set of accounts filed was dormant accounts to 3 January 1999. So
they weren't trading at that point. The accounts for 2000, 2001, 2002 and
2003 are overdue.

The other one you found, at the same address is BAC Windows and Doors Ltd,
04530841, formed 10/09/2002.

They filed dormant accounts to 31 Dec 2003, so they weren't trading at that
point.

Another is BAC Trade and Commercial Ltd, same address, 05026083, formed
26/01/2004.

No accounts due or filed yet.

There is a BAC Limited, different address close by, 04299718, formed
05/10/2001. Currently in administration. Previously known as BAC Double
Glazing Limited.

This different address is their insolvency practitioners.

So, in summary, I think you do have cause for concern.

[Tony Bryer]

In article <q9o9v1-...@michelle.jbryce>, Jonathan Bryce wrote:
> So, in summary, I think you do have cause for concern.

If the OP was given any literature (verbal claims would be hard to
prove) about 15 years in the business or whatever he might well have
a case for TS to investigate.

Just in case anyone doesn't know this, for any limited company you
can check the basic details for free at the Companies House website
www.companieshouse.gov.uk . And with firms like this you need to
make very sure which entity you are dealing with and make any cheque
out to that exact company name - e.g. BAC Windows and Doors Ltd, not
just BAC.

And out of idle curiosity I checked and Anglian Windows have been
around since 1990 and have accounts filed up to date. Meanwhile
Moben Kitchens is a non-trading company - so who are you really
dealing with if you get talked into one of their special deals?

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[Tone]

"smicker" <ross...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 17 Aug 2004 09:09:26 -0700, ju...@davidbevan.co.uk (David) wrote:
>
> >Has anyone needed to claim on a garantee for windows etc fitted prior
> >to 2002?
>

> This is how my bankrupt brother done it. He had a company Protectacoat
> Ltd which traded as C&R Windows. It had a multi million pound turnover
> selling Kommerling Windows which he bought from Speed Frame Limited in
> Rotherham.
> He also had a dormant limited company called C&R Windows Limited. When
> the first company folded with massive debts he tried changing
> everything over to C&R Windows Limited and continued trading with the
> same vehicles and staff and even the same building for a while until I
> made things so hot for him that he was made personally bankrupt
> together with his wife. At this point he transferred the company to
> his mates and changed its name to Dream Windows Limited and the begger
> is still running it too.
> smicker

Good to see your vindictiveness didn't have too much of an effect on him

[Colin M]

I have a BAC conservatory which needs warranty work. I eventually found BAC
Ltd trading at Farringdon Road, Romford, Essex. Tel 01708 382200.

I spoke to a Colin Jupp there who said they had recently bought the BAC name
but were not honouring any warranties. He offered to quote for a warranty
repair "at cost price to build their customer database" if I wrote in with
my request. I did this a week ago and still waiting to hear back.

Next stop NHBC.

Colin

[David]

Ive just been reading the small print in the contract and there are
two articals of interest...

1) Insurance backed insolvency protection
Which basically says that in the event of insolvency Ill get my
deposit back, and if the windows are already fitted then ill still get
a 10 year gaurantee.

...Is this worth the paper its written on? Or should I be more
interested in the other clause.

2) 7 Day cooling off period
Ie I can cancel within 7 days and take my business somewhere else.
(but for the price the BAC product was better than the competition)

Thanks

David Bevan

http://www.davidbevan.co.uk

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[Rory]

"David" <ju...@davidbevan.co.uk> wrote ...

>
> 1) Insurance backed insolvency protection
> Which basically says that in the event of insolvency Ill get my
> deposit back, and if the windows are already fitted then ill still get
> a 10 year gaurantee.
>
> ...Is this worth the paper its written on? Or should I be more
> interested in the other clause.

Depends on whether they've paid the insurance premium, I guess?

> 2) 7 Day cooling off period
> Ie I can cancel within 7 days and take my business somewhere else.
> (but for the price the BAC product was better than the competition)
>

It does all sound pretty dodgy, but then I think most (if not all) companies
in this field are similar, and you may end up on your own anyway. If you're
happy with the product (and the way it's doing to fitted) then the main risk
is losing your deposit. Hopefully you've paid a minimal amount (ideally by
credit card) and won't have to pay the balance until completion.

[rpidi...@gmail.com]

BAC have were bought by SEH to become SEH BAC their double glazing details can be found here http://www.sehbac.com/windows/

[sueche...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:09:26 UTC+1, David wrote:

I bought Double Glazing from them in 1993, it was good quality and cost an arm and a leg but when things have started to go on windows and doors i.e. handles and hinges and stormguard rubber wearing out it is difficult to get the same parts. I didn't buy UPVC like everyone else I bought South African Hardwood.

Kind regards

Susan Cheshire

[Davey]

On 24 Dec 2015 15:24:01 GMT

Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> Companies House reveals that they
> >> were incorporated in 2002 - ie they have only existed for 2 years
> >> -

This might also have been a clue.

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[Brian-Gaff]

Yes it would indeed be interesting to know if such a company exists today,
and how many times its been reborn if it does.
My advice about guarantees for things like exterior coatings, double
glazing etc, that are expected to last more than a couple of years is ask to
see the guarantee and find out in writing who the underwriters of it are, as
its basically insurance and has to be underwritten by a bona fide company to
be worth very much in law.

At least then you stand a good chance at getting something fixed if the
company dies and gets reborn leaving behind a load of worthless paper.
Brian

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[alan_m]

On 25/12/2015 09:15, Brian-Gaff wrote:
> Yes it would indeed be interesting to know if such a company exists today,
> and how many times its been reborn if it does.

A friend of mine used to be in the double glazing business and it seems
a lot of the well known trading names were reborn every few years.


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[john....@btinternet.com]

Having worked for BAC for a short period it became clear that things were not as they should be. Any discount agreed with a customer post he sale was taken off the sales person. They had a blame culture and we're always looking for someone else to pay. Not surprisingly I left had owed monies delayed in excess of three months when the company went under and then restarted with the same people in charge driving their expensive company cars and using a new trading name would trust them? Tricky. Yes I'm biased that they still owe me about a grand but I figured that it was lost money and expensive knowledge gained which I pass on to you Gratis.

[robert....@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:09:26 UTC+1, David wrote:

back in 1989/91/92 I had all the windows & doors replaced by this company.Hardwood frames around aluminium windows & doors.Very expensive but first class workmanship.The downside is that this company has gone bankrupt & then re opened again many times since then.The main problem i have is that the door handles finally need replacing & no one does that size any more

[Adrian Caspersz]

On 08/06/2020 16:27, robert....@gmail.com wrote:
> back in 1989/91/92 I had all the windows & doors replaced by this company.Hardwood frames around aluminium windows & doors.Very expensive but first class workmanship.The downside is that this company has gone bankrupt & then re opened again many times since then.The main problem i have is that the door handles finally need replacing & no one does that size any more
>

I got up one morning, opened the front door, saw no clouds in the sky so
I went out for a walk. It rained. I got wet!


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[alan_m]

On 08/06/2020 16:27, robert....@gmail.com wrote:

Someone I know who who used to work in the double glazing industry told
me that many (well known) companies went bust at regular intervals but
the company names a customer lists were sold on quite quickly. Go bust
on a Monday and the same named company was trading again on a Tuesday!

When I had my windows and doors replaced it was with a small local
company who used the CPA for both the deposit and insurance based guarantee.
https://www.thecpa.co.uk/


BTW, from experience I would be very suspicious of what a DG salesman
tells you about a rival company when trying to make a sale.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

2004?

BAC Back Again Crap?

Brian

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <hk7fki...@mid.individual.net>,

alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> Someone I know who who used to work in the double glazing industry told
> me that many (well known) companies went bust at regular intervals but
> the company names a customer lists were sold on quite quickly. Go bust
> on a Monday and the same named company was trading again on a Tuesday!

Yes. Gets them out of that 25 year warranty.

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[Andrew]

On 09/06/2020 11:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <hk7fki...@mid.individual.net>,
> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> Someone I know who who used to work in the double glazing industry told
>> me that many (well known) companies went bust at regular intervals but
>> the company names a customer lists were sold on quite quickly. Go bust
>> on a Monday and the same named company was trading again on a Tuesday!
>
>
> Yes. Gets them out of that 25 year warranty.
>

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> In article <hk7fki...@mid.individual.net>,
> alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> Someone I know who who used to work in the double glazing industry told
>> me that many (well known) companies went bust at regular intervals but
>> the company names a customer lists were sold on quite quickly. Go bust
>> on a Monday and the same named company was trading again on a Tuesday!
>
>
> Yes. Gets them out of that 25 year warranty.

hence the reason why you need to insist on an insurance backed warranty

[Andrew]

And another one bites the dust and instantly returns as a
phoenix company :-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-8404401/Moulton-deal-rescues-Everest-windows-188-staff-face-chop.html

[Colby531]

Hi David, I was just checking whether bac was still in business. I used them back in 1994 and their product was above all others in my estimation but expensive. As far as I am aware they generally had a good reputation then but things do change.

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[David]

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:01:19 +0000, Colby531 wrote:

> Hi David, I was just checking whether bac was still in business. I used
> them back in 1994 and their product was above all others in my
> estimation but expensive. As far as I am aware they generally had a good
> reputation then but things do change.

$Deity help me but I checked.

Original thread 16 years ago.



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