Forwarding bank cards in the post.

[Michael Chare]

I recently forwarded a couple of bank cards in the post. Neither card
has arrived. It is fairly obvious what is the these envelopes so I did
wonder if the banks/royal mail have a policy of not allowing redirection
to reduce the risk of fraud.


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Michael Chare

[Brian Gaff]

More likely its been intercepted by a potential villain I'd have thought.
Do they have a person sitting there watching all mail?
Brian

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[SteveW]

How would they know that it wasn't a company ID card, a gift card, a
loyalty card, etc.?

SteveW

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <lb49i0$t4t$1...@dont-email.me>,

I don't think someone nicking bank cards is going to care if they
intercept any of those too.

No company I've worked for has ever permitted company ID cards to be
sent through the post. There was a period when bank card were being
delivered by courier - not sure if they still are.

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[Nightjar]

Mine all arrive by post, but need to be validated by phone or online,
with security checks, before they are activated.

Colin Bignell

[Kevin]

On 14/01/2014 21:04, Michael Chare wrote:

Once upon a time, one could forward mail by simply adding a new address
to the envelope and re-posting it without an extra stamp. I believe
this is no longer allowed, and any such mail risks being treated as
"insufficient postage paid", with the intended recipient being carded
and advised to pay up and either collect or arrange delivery.

I have also seen envelopes printed with a message (I can't remember the
exact wording) to the effect that if it's not delivered to the address
first shown it should be returned to a specified address.

Could either of the above apply in these cases?

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[Artic]

Michael Chare scribbled...

What an odd thing to do with such a valuable item. If the cards
belonged to a relative, WTF didn't you put them into another envelope?
If they were for someone else, I'd have cut them up and returned them to
the bank.

[Tim+]

Kevin <2011OMIT_T...@mainbeam.co.uk> wrote:
> On 14/01/2014 21:04, Michael Chare wrote:
>> I recently forwarded a couple of bank cards in the post. Neither card
>> has arrived. It is fairly obvious what is the these envelopes so I did
>> wonder if the banks/royal mail have a policy of not allowing redirection
>> to reduce the risk of fraud.
>>
>
> Once upon a time, one could forward mail by simply adding a new address
> to the envelope and re-posting it without an extra stamp. I believe this
> is no longer allowed, and any such mail risks being treated as
> "insufficient postage paid", with the intended recipient being carded and
> advised to pay up and either collect or arrange delivery.

It depends who the carrier is. If it's Royal Mail then you shouldn't need
any more postage (according to our local postmistress), however, having
said that, a bunch of letters we forwarded to Belfast recently vanished
without trace so make of that what you will. The recipient didn't get any
message about insufficient postage postage paid.

Tim

[Michael Chare]

On 15/01/2014 08:19, Kevin wrote:
> On 14/01/2014 21:04, Michael Chare wrote:
>> I recently forwarded a couple of bank cards in the post. Neither card
>> has arrived. It is fairly obvious what is the these envelopes so I did
>> wonder if the banks/royal mail have a policy of not allowing redirection
>> to reduce the risk of fraud.
>>
>
> Once upon a time, one could forward mail by simply adding a new address
> to the envelope and re-posting it without an extra stamp. I believe
> this is no longer allowed, and any such mail risks being treated as
> "insufficient postage paid", with the intended recipient being carded
> and advised to pay up and either collect or arrange delivery.
>
> I have also seen envelopes printed with a message (I can't remember the
> exact wording) to the effect that if it's not delivered to the address
> first shown it should be returned to a specified address.
>
> Could either of the above apply in these cases?
>

Certainly the first was the case, I did not notice the latter.

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Michael Chare

[Michael Chare]

They were no more or less safe than the first time they were posted,
though I will admit that someone did pinch our cast iron letter box. We
now have a 'tin' one.

--
Michael Chare

[fred]

In article
<2058735313411476944.461689timdo...@news.eternal-september.org>
, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> writes

>
>It depends who the carrier is. If it's Royal Mail then you shouldn't need
>any more postage (according to our local postmistress), however, having
>said that, a bunch of letters we forwarded to Belfast recently vanished
>without trace so make of that what you will. The recipient didn't get any
>message about insufficient postage postage paid.
>

Personal forwarding of non-business mail certainly used to be permitted
but the evidence of this appears to have been wiped from Royal Mail's
website. It's something I'd like to have an authoritative answer on as
I've had a postie getting arsey over it on a few pieces of mail I have
personally redirected to me.
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[Martin Brown]

My postie is fairly helpful and he has to be. In every local village
there is a Apple/Holly/Ivy/Oak cottage, Home/High/Low/Church/Moor Farm
and some mail invariably goes astray. I have never had any bother
putting it back in the post box with "not here try there" written across
it or been charged for anything of mine so redirected.

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[Peter Johnson]

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:49:50 +0000, Nightjar
<c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:


>Mine all arrive by post, but need to be validated by phone or online,
>with security checks, before they are activated.
>

Neither the credit card nor the debit card that I received in the last
three months have required validating, and both arrived by ordinary
post.

[news]

On 15/01/2014 12:15, fred wrote:

> In article
> <2058735313411476944.461689timdo...@news.eternal-september.org>
> , Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>> It depends who the carrier is. If it's Royal Mail then you shouldn't need
>> any more postage (according to our local postmistress), however, having
>> said that, a bunch of letters we forwarded to Belfast recently vanished
>> without trace so make of that what you will. The recipient didn't get
>> any
>> message about insufficient postage postage paid.
>>
> Personal forwarding of non-business mail certainly used to be permitted
> but the evidence of this appears to have been wiped from Royal Mail's
> website.

A google search still brings up this document form 2010, but I have
difficulty finding it direct from the Royal Mail Web site.

http://www.royalmail.com/sites/default/files/docs/pdf/Forwarding%20December%2010.pdf

It's something I'd like to have an authoritative answer on as
> I've had a postie getting arsey over it on a few pieces of mail I have
> personally redirected to me.


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Chris

[SteveW]

On 14/01/2014 21:34, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

> In article <lb49i0$t4t$1...@dont-email.me>,
> SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> writes:
>> On 14/01/2014 21:04, Michael Chare wrote:
>>> I recently forwarded a couple of bank cards in the post. Neither card
>>> has arrived. It is fairly obvious what is the these envelopes so I did
>>> wonder if the banks/royal mail have a policy of not allowing redirection
>>> to reduce the risk of fraud.
>>
>> How would they know that it wasn't a company ID card, a gift card, a
>> loyalty card, etc.?
>
> I don't think someone nicking bank cards is going to care if they
> intercept any of those too.

The question wasn't how do thieves know which cards to take, but whether
the Royal Mail had a policy of intercepting cards when they are posted
on elsewhere after delivery to the original address.

> No company I've worked for has ever permitted company ID cards to be
> sent through the post. There was a period when bank card were being
> delivered by courier - not sure if they still are.

I have had company ID cards that have had a note on the back asking
anyone who finds it to post it to a particular address. Including ones
that state that they are Government property and it is an offence to
retain it.

My replacement Visa Debit card has arrived by normal post this morning.

SteveW

[SteveW]

I like 1.2 "may charge a handling fee for forwarding an item if it has
been opened before being re-posted, or the name of the original
addressee is covered or obscured." - I've had a letter that I've
re-directed, only to have the same letter posted back through my
letterbox a few days later (twice!), despite writing on it with a large
black marker and in the end I had to resort to totally blanking out the
window to cover up my address.

SteveW

[fred]

In article <5IxBu.2961$PK6....@fx10.fr7>, news <ne...@news.salis2.co.uk>
writes

>On 15/01/2014 12:15, fred wrote:
>>>
>> Personal forwarding of non-business mail certainly used to be permitted
>> but the evidence of this appears to have been wiped from Royal Mail's
>> website.
>
>A google search still brings up this document form 2010, but I have
>difficulty finding it direct from the Royal Mail Web site.
>
>http://www.royalmail.com/sites/default/files/docs/pdf/Forwarding%20December%20
>10.pdf
>

Despite the date I think that's just what I was looking for, thanks!

1.4 is however both vague and broad, and could be a stumbling block
should an awkward bugger get involved:

"In any case where we consider that an item has been forwarded to evade
payment of postage we may treat it as an unpaid letter in accordance
with the requirements of the Scheme or contract under which is was
sent."

[fred]

In article <lb6b31$6r1$1...@dont-email.me>, SteveW
<st...@walker-family.me.uk> writes

Automated sorting may have read the original Royal Mail applied phosphor
destination coding bands and re-delivered it to the local sorting
office, then it'll be a blinkers-on delivery.

I've asked anyone redirecting for me to obscure the phosphors too.

[tim......]

"Peter Johnson" <pe...@nospam.narrowgauge.co.uk> wrote in message
news:p92dd91rue0g3dll6...@4ax.com...

same here - they seem to have given up with the "phone in" security
(cynically, one might think that this is connected with them no longer being
allowed to con you into buying CPP insurance)

[D.M.Chapman]

In article <lb49i0$t4t$1...@dont-email.me>,

RFID scanner could detect them - like they have in the contactless card
readers?

Not saying they do, but that would be how I'd try :-)

[Tim Watts]

My phone can detect cards with its NFC feature. I have not actually
found any cards it is actually happy to dump the guts of though (let
alone allow the phone to emulate) - most of mine come up as "not
supported".


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[Windmill]

"Brian Gaff" <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:

>More likely its been intercepted by a potential villain I'd have thought.
>Do they have a person sitting there watching all mail?

Someone on radio recently recalled as a young fella being shown a
steam-filled room wherein a large group of Royal Mail employees were
busily steaming open envelopes, presumably looking for wrongdoing of
some kind or other.
Maybe it was the privatisation of Royal Mail which reminded him of that
old incident (he didn't explain).

It certainly has occurred to me that it will be more convenient for the
government if they can gag the private mail company and prevent them
from even saying they've been gagged, something which might be slightly
more difficult to do to a crown corporation.

I don't receive much mail apart from things which are obviously bills,
but two private letters recently arrived slightly damp even though it
hadn't been raining.

Odd.


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