Converting a gas cooker to LPG - conflicting advice!
Louise Cooper
Can anyone help, please? Last year I bought a Stoves gas cooker (mains
gas model), and was told by the shop (small independent) who sold it to
me that, if I should ever move to a house without mains gas, it would be
possible to convert it to LPG.
I'm now about to do just that; (the village I'm moving to has no gas at
all) - and the manufacturers of my cooker tell me categorically that it
*can't* be converted. Or rather, it *could*, but only as a bodge that
would be downright dangerous. Of course they won't explain the technical
details (they seem to think it's classified information); they just
reiterate the "No, No, No" approach.
So the makers say one thing; the specialist supplier says another. They
both have an obvious vested interest in taking their particular stance.
The Corgi engineer who did all the gas work on my present house is
scratching his head and doesn't know whom to believe. He can see no
logical reason why the cooker shouldn't be convertible, but at the same
time, he doesn't believe in taking any chances where gas is concerned.
Does anyone have a definitive answer? The cooker cost a packet, works
beautifully, and I don't want to wave it goodbye unless I absolutely
have to :-(
TIA!
--
Louise Cooper
rto...@removethis.oanet.com
>Louise Cooper
>
Of course it can be converted. It is just a question of getting the
right size jets and having the right pressure of gas supplied to them.
If the original stove was designed for natural gas, as I presume you
mean by mains gas, you must realise that if you burn propane the
heating value is much higher and the jets must be smaller. I believe
LNG also has a higher heating value than natural gas so will also need
smaller jets. The air registers that control the mixing of air with
the gas as it leaves the jets will have to be adjusted for the correct
type of flame. This should be blue with only a hint of yellow at the
tip. If you admit too much air, the flame will roar and may pop out.
Start with the air registers nearly closed and slowly open them until
the yellow just about disappears from the flame.
Dr Jotty
>
> Can anyone help, please? Last year I bought a Stoves gas cooker (mains
> gas model), and was told by the shop (small independent) who sold it to
> me that, if I should ever move to a house without mains gas, it would be
> possible to convert it to LPG.
>
> I'm now about to do just that; (the village I'm moving to has no gas at
> all) - and the manufacturers of my cooker tell me categorically that it
> *can't* be converted. Or rather, it *could*, but only as a bodge that
> would be downright dangerous. Of course they won't explain the technical
> details (they seem to think it's classified information); they just
> reiterate the "No, No, No" approach.
>
> beautifully, and I don't want to wave it goodbye unless I absolutely
> have to :-(
>
> --
> Louise Cooper
one of the reasons things will have to be changed is thet the burn speed
of the flames is different, by thet i mean the differnt gasses flame
front travels at differnt speeds.
this means that what is a good size jet and pressure for one may not be
ideal for the other in certain cercumstances the flame may even go out
as the pressure/ speed out the jet is wrong. it is unlikely though
possible that the flame front could travel down the cooker plumbing.
You could experiment by trial and error but at the very lease its best
to look at the proper type of cooker for that gas and not any differnces
the
make up your own mind. it may well work without any adjustments but be
careful.
John
Pat Martindale.
<Lou...@sketchbook.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Can anyone help, please? Last year I bought a Stoves gas cooker (mains
>gas model), and was told by the shop (small independent) who sold it to
>me that, if I should ever move to a house without mains gas, it would be
>possible to convert it to LPG.
>
>I'm now about to do just that; (the village I'm moving to has no gas at
>all) - and the manufacturers of my cooker tell me categorically that it
>*can't* be converted. Or rather, it *could*, but only as a bodge that
>would be downright dangerous. Of course they won't explain the technical
>details (they seem to think it's classified information); they just
>reiterate the "No, No, No" approach.
>
>both have an obvious vested interest in taking their particular stance.
>The Corgi engineer who did all the gas work on my present house is
>scratching his head and doesn't know whom to believe. He can see no
>logical reason why the cooker shouldn't be convertible, but at the same
>time, he doesn't believe in taking any chances where gas is concerned.
>
>beautifully, and I don't want to wave it goodbye unless I absolutely
>have to :-(
It can be converted - I did many such conversions when an engineer with
B.Gas, but it is not easy for the reasons outlined in other responses.
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to say the process is a "bodge", it
really is trial and error with little chance of sucess first time.
Problems occur due to the different burning rates and air requirements
of LPG versus Nat Gas.
The big problem we had in the workshop was getting the bypass rate
correct on the thermostat. The hole through the bypass jet has to be
*very* small otherwise the thermostat is ineffective.
My advice would be to purchase a cooker made for the job. Probably
cheaper in the long run when engineers rates for the conversion job are
taken into account.
Regards
--
Pat Martindale.
Michael Lake
from rto...@removethis.oanet.com contains these words:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:51:37 +0100, Louise Cooper
> <Lou...@sketchbook.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Can anyone help, please? Last year I bought a Stoves gas cooker (mains
> >gas model), and was told by the shop (small independent) who sold it to
> >me that, if I should ever move to a house without mains gas, it would be
> >possible to convert it to LPG.
> >
> >I'm now about to do just that; (the village I'm moving to has no gas at
> >all) - and the manufacturers of my cooker tell me categorically that it
> >*can't* be converted. Or rather, it *could*, but only as a bodge that
> >would be downright dangerous. Of course they won't explain the technical
> >details (they seem to think it's classified information); they just
> >reiterate the "No, No, No" approach.
> >
> >So the makers say one thing; the specialist supplier says another. They
> >both have an obvious vested interest in taking their particular stance.
> >The Corgi engineer who did all the gas work on my present house is
> >scratching his head and doesn't know whom to believe. He can see no
> >logical reason why the cooker shouldn't be convertible, but at the same
> >time, he doesn't believe in taking any chances where gas is concerned.
> >
> >Does anyone have a definitive answer? The cooker cost a packet, works
> >beautifully, and I don't want to wave it goodbye unless I absolutely
> >have to :-(
> >
> Most appliances can be converted to LPG,it's the manufactors who
supply the special kits & if they say your model cannot be converted
then they are the ones to believe,as it's not in their interest not
to supply you with the parts to keep using their appliances.
If you give me the make & model of your cooker and the gas council
number I can double check if you like,before you buy a new cooker.
Mick
Whitley Bay
Frank Duffy
writes
>You could experiment by trial and error but at the very lease its best
>to look at the proper type of cooker for that gas and not any differnces
>the
>make up your own mind. it may well work without any adjustments but be
>careful.
>
>John
I cannot belive what I read sometimes. There are some things that
DIYers should never do. I'll try most things, but I accept my
limitations! The problem with the statement above, "You could
experiment by trial and error" is that someone might just do that. Do
you think that all this CE marking of appliances, CORGI registration etc
is purely "jobs for the boys"?
Don't experiment by trial and error by tinkering on gas appliances. The
error could be fatal!
--
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Personal email to fr...@chimney.demon.co.uk
at work...
ISOKERN - the safety chimney fdu...@isokern.co.uk
http://www.isokern.co.uk
Dr Jotty
>
> >You could experiment by trial and error but at the very lease its best
> >to look at the proper type of cooker for that gas and not any differnces
> >the
> >make up your own mind. it may well work without any adjustments but be
> >careful.
> >
> >John
> "be careful"? "be careful"!!!
>
> I cannot belive what I read sometimes. There are some things that
> DIYers should never do. I'll try most things, but I accept my
> limitations! The problem with the statement above, "You could
> experiment by trial and error" is that someone might just do that. Do
> you think that all this CE marking of appliances, CORGI registration etc
> is purely "jobs for the boys"?
>
> Don't experiment by trial and error by tinkering on gas appliances. The
> error could be fatal!
> Frank Duffy
> Personal email to fr...@chimney.demon.co.uk
>
how do you think anything ever gets discovered or invented except by
trial and error.
did mrs Stephenson (Steam train)or Mrs Einstien say "you don't want to
play about with that it could be dangerous"
Or MR Watt say "I anit touching that mate I could get a shock"
Some one who isn't inquisitve and tinkering is living live on auto
pilot!
I agree it could be a bit dangerous but you have to credit people with
common sense. And if it all goes wrong you'll know not to do it again
won't you.
nick nelson
> Or MR Watt say "I anit touching that mate I could get a shock"
I don't think electricity was around when James Watt was doing his
thing.
> I agree it could be a bit dangerous but you have to credit people with
> common sense. And if it all goes wrong you'll know not to do it again
> won't you.
I'd go a fair way with you on this, although I'm particularly careful
where gas is concerned since an error of judgement could possibly kill
my neighbours as well as myself.
Nick.
Dr Jotty
>
> Dr Jotty wrote:
>
> > Or MR Watt say "I anit touching that mate I could get a shock"
>
> I don't think electricity was around when James Watt was doing his
> thing.
Benjamin Franklin was plying with eletricity wasn't he (1706-1790)
I for one would not encourage flying a kite in a thunder storm (1752)but
had he not done so we wouldn't be typing like this now? So prehaps james
Watt was to worried to play with Electricity?
The egyptians had batterys they used to gold plate stuff
> I'd go a fair way with you on this, although I'm particularly careful
> where gas is concerned since an error of judgement could possibly kill
> my neighbours.
Not always such a bad idea!
> Nick.
Matthew Marks
rto...@removethis.oanet.com writes:
> The air registers that control the mixing of air with
> the gas as it leaves the jets will have to be adjusted for the correct
> type of flame.
My Baumatic hob has no air registers: just jets under the burners which draw
air in around them - no separate air intake. Works fine, but might be a tad
more noisy (hiss from jets) than your average hob.
I was rather surprised to find this arrangement!
--
Matthew @rd.bbc.co.uk My opinions, not Auntie's
M. Sharma - Pipex
Dr Jotty wrote in message <35DC5E...@hotmail.com>...
>Frank Duffy wrote:
>>
>> >You could experiment by trial and error but at the very lease its best
>> >to look at the proper type of cooker for that gas and not any differnces
>> >the
>> >make up your own mind. it may well work without any adjustments but be
>> >careful.
>> >
>> >John
>> "be careful"? "be careful"!!!
>>
>> I cannot belive what I read sometimes. There are some things that
>> DIYers should never do. I'll try most things, but I accept my
>> limitations! The problem with the statement above, "You could
>> experiment by trial and error" is that someone might just do that. Do
>> you think that all this CE marking of appliances, CORGI registration etc
>> is purely "jobs for the boys"?
>>
>> Don't experiment by trial and error by tinkering on gas appliances. The
>> error could be fatal!
>
>> Frank Duffy
>> Personal email to fr...@chimney.demon.co.uk
>>
>
>
>how do you think anything ever gets discovered or invented except by
>trial and error.
>
>did mrs Stephenson (Steam train)or Mrs Einstien say "you don't want to
>play about with that it could be dangerous"
>
>
>pilot!
>
>common sense. And if it all goes wrong you'll know not to do it again
>won't you.
Somehow I don't think that your isurers would agrre with you (or pay out)
when you explain you were trying to play with gas equipment by trial and
error. (If it all goes wrong of course!)
Marcus
Louise Cooper
it's greatly appreciated. The proprietor of the shop who sold me the
cooker has now weighed in on my behalf, and is taking the matter up with
the manufacturers - who apparently told both her *and* their own rep.
last year that the cooker WAS convertible, and have now moved the
goalposts. With a bit of luck, I think this will be satisfactorily
sorted - but rest assured, I won't attempt any kind of DIY on this; any
work on the cooker will be carried out by a Corgi registered fitter or
not at all.
Thank you all again.
--
Louise Cooper
Frank Duffy
writes
>>
>> error could be fatal!
>
>> Frank Duffy
>> Personal email to fr...@chimney.demon.co.uk
>>
>
>
>how do you think anything ever gets discovered or invented except by
>trial and error.
>
--
Frank Duffy
Personal email to fr...@chimney.demon.co.uk
at work...
Charles (Joe) Stahelin
>common sense. And if it all goes wrong you'll know not to do it again
>won't you.
say your name was Dr Dotty ?
--
Charles (Joe) Stahelin,
Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK.
Geoff Drage
<michae...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
Of course it is - they make much more from a new appliance than from
selling new jets (or am I missing the point)
>
>If you give me the make & model of your cooker and the gas council
>number I can double check if you like,before you buy a new cooker.
>
>Mick
>
>Whitley Bay
>
>
>
>
>
--
Geoff Drage
Geoff Drage
Stahelin <j...@stahelin.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <35DC5E...@hotmail.com>, Dr Jotty <drj...@hotmail.com>
>writes
>>I agree it could be a bit dangerous but you have to credit people with
>>common sense. And if it all goes wrong you'll know not to do it again
>>won't you.
>There is a difference between original research and stupidity. Did you
>say your name was Dr Dotty ?
It's all to do with natural selection ( darwin et al) Serious mistakes
treminate the genes
--
Geoff Drage
ghjhlli...@btinternet.com
> Can anyone help, please? Last year I bought a Stoves gas cooker (mains
> gas model), and was told by the shop (small independent) who sold it to
> me that, if I should ever move to a house without mains gas, it would be
> possible to convert it to LPG.
>
> I'm now about to do just that; (the village I'm moving to has no gas at
> all) - and the manufacturers of my cooker tell me categorically that it
> *can't* be converted. Or rather, it *could*, but only as a bodge that
> would be downright dangerous. Of course they won't explain the technical
> details (they seem to think it's classified information); they just
> reiterate the "No, No, No" approach.
>
> So the makers say one thing; the specialist supplier says another. They
> both have an obvious vested interest in taking their particular stance.
> The Corgi engineer who did all the gas work on my present house is
> scratching his head and doesn't know whom to believe. He can see no
> logical reason why the cooker shouldn't be convertible, but at the same
> time, he doesn't believe in taking any chances where gas is concerned.
>
> Does anyone have a definitive answer? The cooker cost a packet, works
> beautifully, and I don't want to wave it goodbye unless I absolutely
> have to :-(
>
> --
> Louise Cooper
On Monday, August 17, 1998 8:00:00 AM UTC+1, Louise Cooper wrote:
> Can anyone help, please? Last year I bought a Stoves gas cooker (mains
> gas model), and was told by the shop (small independent) who sold it to
> me that, if I should ever move to a house without mains gas, it would be
> possible to convert it to LPG.
>
> I'm now about to do just that; (the village I'm moving to has no gas at
> all) - and the manufacturers of my cooker tell me categorically that it
> *can't* be converted. Or rather, it *could*, but only as a bodge that
> would be downright dangerous. Of course they won't explain the technical
> details (they seem to think it's classified information); they just
> reiterate the "No, No, No" approach.
>
> So the makers say one thing; the specialist supplier says another. They
> both have an obvious vested interest in taking their particular stance.
> The Corgi engineer who did all the gas work on my present house is
> scratching his head and doesn't know whom to believe. He can see no
> logical reason why the cooker shouldn't be convertible, but at the same
> time, he doesn't believe in taking any chances where gas is concerned.
>
> Does anyone have a definitive answer? The cooker cost a packet, works
> beautifully, and I don't want to wave it goodbye unless I absolutely
> have to :-(
>
> --
> Louise Cooper
Hi
i have read a lot of forums on this lpg conversion and it seems to me that there is only two types of people that say "don`t do it" !!!, there is your bucktooth banker (yes Banker) who is too afraid to wear a condom incase it cuts the blood supply to his..you get idea and then there`s your registered gas fitter who charges you £50 for just for calling and £225.00 for doing the very dangerous job of replacing jets that takes all of 19 minutes, we know the first one is just a jelly and we also know the other one is a robber without a mask who would not help is mother out of a bath of acid if she didn`t pay him
Graham.
Perhaps you could do the same?
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Sam Plusnet
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> Perhaps you could do the same?
>
>
[1] Apparently, this word was invented by Lewis Carroll.
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fred
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probably more appropriate.
The solution to the late post scenario (and spam and . . .) is, IMO, to
kill file GG posters, the noise to signal is far too great.
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15 years 4 months and 26 days...
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Cheers
Dave.
Adrian
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>
>>On Monday, August 17, 1998 8:00:00 AM UTC+1, Louise Cooper wrote:
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> Brilliant read @ midnight,.. made my day,.. really good laugh,... Trial & Error,.. & gas,... Lolololololol. Oh dear, never mind, pick up your wings as you go through the golden gate,...
> Late reply ?? What's posted on the internet,.. stays forever,..
NT
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> > Most doesn't.
>
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> Can anyone help, please? Last year I bought a Stoves gas cooker (mains
> gas model), and was told by the shop (small independent) who sold it to
> me that, if I should ever move to a house without mains gas, it would be
> possible to convert it to LPG.
>
> I'm now about to do just that; (the village I'm moving to has no gas at
> all) - and the manufacturers of my cooker tell me categorically that it
> *can't* be converted. Or rather, it *could*, but only as a bodge that
> would be downright dangerous. Of course they won't explain the technical
> details (they seem to think it's classified information); they just
> reiterate the "No, No, No" approach.
then look up Sabaf's web site. and get the right brass jets. the gas pressure will be controlled by the regulator mounted on the Propane or Butane cylinder 37mBar for propane or 28mBar for Butane its simple.
Good Luck
Unknown
> will be controlled by the regulator mounted on the Propane or Butane cylinder
> 37mBar for propane or 28mBar for Butane its simple.
> Good Luck
polygonum_on_google
Unknown
> The cooker probably needs replacing by now.
Tricky Dicky
Richard
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> inflatable elephant.
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