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JoeJoe
May 16, 2022, 2:25:37 PM5/16/22
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We have had one of these for many years
https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/neff_60cm_wide_4_burner_gas_hob_series_3__t2346n1/version.asp
Have never had an issue. Worked fine as late as yesterday.
Tried to use it today - ignition is dead. Operated by pressing the knobs
downwards. Nothing - not a sign of life.
Checked the socket - still powered and all looks fine. Opened the hob's
plug - all look fine and the 3A fuse also OK according to my multi-meter
(replaced it just in case). Still nothing.
There appears to be a triangle (possibly) removable access hatch in the
corner, held by a screw. Otherwise I cannot see anything that can be
done in situ.
Any ideas/thoughts as to what to try next please?
https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/neff_60cm_wide_4_burner_gas_hob_series_3__t2346n1/version.asp
Have never had an issue. Worked fine as late as yesterday.
Tried to use it today - ignition is dead. Operated by pressing the knobs
downwards. Nothing - not a sign of life.
Checked the socket - still powered and all looks fine. Opened the hob's
plug - all look fine and the 3A fuse also OK according to my multi-meter
(replaced it just in case). Still nothing.
There appears to be a triangle (possibly) removable access hatch in the
corner, held by a screw. Otherwise I cannot see anything that can be
done in situ.
Any ideas/thoughts as to what to try next please?
alan_m
May 16, 2022, 5:14:01 PM5/16/22
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https://tinyurl.com/ybv6w52m
Maybe worth checking to see if the connectors to that module are tight.
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Tim Lamb
May 17, 2022, 4:14:23 AM5/17/22
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In message <jeft4l...@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
<ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes
Long time since we had a gas hob but carbon can build up near the arc
points shorting the circuit.
>
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<ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes
points shorting the circuit.
>
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Harry Bloomfield Esq
May 17, 2022, 8:14:34 AM5/17/22
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Tim Lamb wrote :
not prevent the others from working. If all are failing, then more
likely it will be the entire unit which has become faulty.
> Long time since we had a gas hob but carbon can build up near the arc points
> shorting the circuit.
The ignitors usually work independently, so one failing to ignite will
> shorting the circuit.
not prevent the others from working. If all are failing, then more
likely it will be the entire unit which has become faulty.
JoeJoe
May 17, 2022, 10:48:23 AM5/17/22
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Looks like the time has come to look for a replacement... ;-(
JoeJoe
May 17, 2022, 5:55:39 PM5/17/22
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On 17/05/2022 16:57, Chris Hogg wrote:
> Box of matches is cheaper! Or if you're really feeling like splashing
> out, a piezo spark igniter like this https://tinyurl.com/y2vrng9z .
> Had one for years - never gave problems - worked every time.
>
Very tempting...
> out, a piezo spark igniter like this https://tinyurl.com/y2vrng9z .
> Had one for years - never gave problems - worked every time.
>
Very tempting...
Gopalan Sampath
May 17, 2022, 8:29:19 PM5/17/22
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lacksey
May 17, 2022, 9:00:54 PM5/17/22
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On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:29:16 +1000, Gopalan Sampath
<gopalan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 4:25:37 AM UTC+10, JoeJoe wrote:
>> We have had one of these for many years
>> https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/neff_60cm_wide_4_burner_gas_hob_series_3__t2346n1/version.asp
>>
>> Have never had an issue. Worked fine as late as yesterday.
>>
>> Tried to use it today - ignition is dead. Operated by pressing the knobs
>> downwards. Nothing - not a sign of life.
>>
>> Checked the socket - still powered and all looks fine. Opened the hob's
>> plug - all look fine and the 3A fuse also OK according to my multi-meter
>> (replaced it just in case). Still nothing.
>>
>> There appears to be a triangle (possibly) removable access hatch in the
>> corner, held by a screw. Otherwise I cannot see anything that can be
>> done in situ.
>>
>> Any ideas/thoughts as to what to try next please?
> Before you declare it dead, I would suggest take an old toothbrush
> preferably soft and clean gently the surrounding area where the ignition
> spark appears, you may need to remove the pot support s around the
> burner for this.
Not going to work given that none of the ignitors work.
<gopalan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 4:25:37 AM UTC+10, JoeJoe wrote:
>> We have had one of these for many years
>> https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/neff_60cm_wide_4_burner_gas_hob_series_3__t2346n1/version.asp
>>
>> Have never had an issue. Worked fine as late as yesterday.
>>
>> Tried to use it today - ignition is dead. Operated by pressing the knobs
>> downwards. Nothing - not a sign of life.
>>
>> Checked the socket - still powered and all looks fine. Opened the hob's
>> plug - all look fine and the 3A fuse also OK according to my multi-meter
>> (replaced it just in case). Still nothing.
>>
>> There appears to be a triangle (possibly) removable access hatch in the
>> corner, held by a screw. Otherwise I cannot see anything that can be
>> done in situ.
>>
>> Any ideas/thoughts as to what to try next please?
> Before you declare it dead, I would suggest take an old toothbrush
> preferably soft and clean gently the surrounding area where the ignition
> spark appears, you may need to remove the pot support s around the
> burner for this.
Peeler
May 18, 2022, 4:15:37 AM5/18/22
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Clive Arthur
May 18, 2022, 5:24:05 AM5/18/22
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On 17/05/2022 13:14, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
is that there was a common control circuit, though I imagine there'd be
separate outputs/windings for each sparker.
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Harry Bloomfield Esq
May 18, 2022, 5:37:21 AM5/18/22
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JoeJoe laid this down on his screen :
> Very tempting...
One related problem I came across with our hob, was not the failing to
ignite, but one burner failing to remain lit once the knob was
released. In other words the thermocouple was failing to hold the
burner valve open, once it had heated up.
Each burner has flame failure detection, in the form of a thermocouple
located in the flame. Heat from the flame on the thermocouple causes it
to generate a tiny voltage, but enough to hold a solenoid gas valve for
each burner open. The connection between thermocouple and solenoid,
looks like a thin copper pipe, with a threaded nipple at the solenoid
end.
Simply loosening and retightening a few times the nipple fixed what
proved to be a poor connection. They don't need to be very tight, they
are only brass and easily damaged, just enough to work reliably.
> Very tempting...
One related problem I came across with our hob, was not the failing to
ignite, but one burner failing to remain lit once the knob was
released. In other words the thermocouple was failing to hold the
burner valve open, once it had heated up.
Each burner has flame failure detection, in the form of a thermocouple
located in the flame. Heat from the flame on the thermocouple causes it
to generate a tiny voltage, but enough to hold a solenoid gas valve for
each burner open. The connection between thermocouple and solenoid,
looks like a thin copper pipe, with a threaded nipple at the solenoid
end.
Simply loosening and retightening a few times the nipple fixed what
proved to be a poor connection. They don't need to be very tight, they
are only brass and easily damaged, just enough to work reliably.
Harry Bloomfield Esq
May 18, 2022, 5:39:48 AM5/18/22
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Clive Arthur was thinking very hard :
button, but each HV output is separate - a HV short on one, will not
prevent the others working.
> On our old cooker, pushing any knob fired all igniters. The implication is
> that there was a common control circuit, though I imagine there'd be separate
> outputs/windings for each sparker.
Same with our hob and yes, common control, all ignitors fired by any
> that there was a common control circuit, though I imagine there'd be separate
> outputs/windings for each sparker.
button, but each HV output is separate - a HV short on one, will not
prevent the others working.
JoeJoe
May 18, 2022, 7:32:55 PM5/18/22
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Dave W
May 21, 2022, 7:28:38 AM5/21/22
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On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:00:45 +1000, lacksey <lki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:29:16 +1000, Gopalan Sampath
><gopalan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 4:25:37 AM UTC+10, JoeJoe wrote:
>>> We have had one of these for many years
>>> https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/neff_60cm_wide_4_burner_gas_hob_series_3__t2346n1/version.asp
>>>
>>> Have never had an issue. Worked fine as late as yesterday.
>>>
>>> Tried to use it today - ignition is dead. Operated by pressing the knobs
>>> downwards. Nothing - not a sign of life.
>>>
>>> Checked the socket - still powered and all looks fine. Opened the hob's
>>> plug - all look fine and the 3A fuse also OK according to my multi-meter
>>> (replaced it just in case). Still nothing.
>>>
>>> There appears to be a triangle (possibly) removable access hatch in the
>>> corner, held by a screw. Otherwise I cannot see anything that can be
>>> done in situ.
>>>
>>> Any ideas/thoughts as to what to try next please?
>
>> Before you declare it dead, I would suggest take an old toothbrush
>> preferably soft and clean gently the surrounding area where the ignition
>> spark appears, you may need to remove the pot support s around the
>> burner for this.
>
>Not going to work given that none of the ignitors work.
>
If all the ignitors are in parallel, a short circuit on one would
>On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:29:16 +1000, Gopalan Sampath
><gopalan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 4:25:37 AM UTC+10, JoeJoe wrote:
>>> We have had one of these for many years
>>> https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/neff_60cm_wide_4_burner_gas_hob_series_3__t2346n1/version.asp
>>>
>>> Have never had an issue. Worked fine as late as yesterday.
>>>
>>> Tried to use it today - ignition is dead. Operated by pressing the knobs
>>> downwards. Nothing - not a sign of life.
>>>
>>> Checked the socket - still powered and all looks fine. Opened the hob's
>>> plug - all look fine and the 3A fuse also OK according to my multi-meter
>>> (replaced it just in case). Still nothing.
>>>
>>> There appears to be a triangle (possibly) removable access hatch in the
>>> corner, held by a screw. Otherwise I cannot see anything that can be
>>> done in situ.
>>>
>>> Any ideas/thoughts as to what to try next please?
>
>> Before you declare it dead, I would suggest take an old toothbrush
>> preferably soft and clean gently the surrounding area where the ignition
>> spark appears, you may need to remove the pot support s around the
>> burner for this.
>
>Not going to work given that none of the ignitors work.
>
inhibit them all. All the ignitors need to be cleaned.
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Brian D
May 21, 2022, 6:25:06 PM5/21/22
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