swapping electric hotplate hob for induction

[Mike Halmarack]

Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an
induction hob.
Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal
damage to surroundings?


https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg
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Mike

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides.

The clamps holding the hob to the worktop can then be loosened and swivelled from the underside.

Owain

[Mike Halmarack]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:34:47 -0800 (PST), spuorg...@gowanhill.com
wrote:

Thanks Owain, I didn't want to start pulling too much apart if there
was an easier way.
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Mike

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:38:20 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
> Thanks Owain, I didn't want to start pulling too much apart if there
> was an easier way.

That *is* the easy way.

It's how it went in :-)

Owain

[Thomas Prufer]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:34:47 -0800 (PST), spuorg...@gowanhill.com wrote:

>Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides.

Possibly it is sufficient to remove the plate behind the oven knobs, and then
get at teh fixings from underneath. .

And this <https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY> suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are
just dropped in place.


Thomas Prufer

[Mike Halmarack]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:40:24 -0800 (PST), spuorg...@gowanhill.com
wrote:

Much appreciated. I have done some big jobs in the past that could
have been much smaller jobs, if only I'd known.
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Mike

[Andrew]

And he even read the manuals !.

What sort of 'tradesman' does that ?. :-)

[Mike Halmarack]

Nice video. Such a smooth operation.
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Mike

[Thomas Prufer]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:11:45 +0000, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
wrote:

>And he even read the manuals !.
>
>What sort of 'tradesman' does that ?. :-)

Sure giveaway that he's an actor?

<https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2016/03/stockphotowoman-500.jpg>

(Photo of a model holding a self-evidently cold soldering iron.)


Thomas Prufer

[Andrew May]

Once you have it out (or maybe even before) you might want to check that
the cable from the consumer unit is big enough for the induction hob
that you intend to install. Induction can take a whole lot more current
than a standard hob.

[Brian Reay]

Besides the 'mechanical' side, check the electrical side. Our induction
hob required a dedicated spur (30A from memory) which the company who
did the kitchen took care of. (We also needed another one for a 2nd
oven, the existing spur being used for the 1st oven.)

Induction hobs are great by the way. When we were planning the kitchen
change, I wanted a gas hob but Senior Management wanted Induction. I'm
pleased I relented ;-)

[Mike Halmarack]

Big help thanks.
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Mike

[Mike Halmarack]

Great tip! Thanks.
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Mike

[Tricky Dicky]

Our Bosch induction hob just drops into place just its own weight and a number of clips gripping the edges of the cutout. The other thing that surprised me is you are not use any sealant.

Richard

[Brian Reay]

On 23/01/2020 13:44, Tricky Dicky wrote:
> Our Bosch induction hob just drops into place just its own weight and a number of clips gripping the edges of the cutout. The other thing that surprised me is you are not use any sealant.
>
> Richard
>

I'm pretty sure our AEG hob came with an integral sealant strip.

[Andy Burns]

Thomas Prufer wrote:

> <https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY> > suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place.

Do any UK hobs daisy-chain off the oven like that?

[Andy Burns]

Andrew May wrote:

> Induction can take a whole lot more current
> than a standard hob.

They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired,
I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has
anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ...
underpowered?

[NY]

"Andy Burns" <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
news:h8trm5...@mid.individual.net...

Our new house (new to us) has an Aga. It also has a fitted oven, but no hob,
for use in a hot summer when you might not want the Aga on.

So we bought a portable one-ring induction hob from IKEA. It's rated at 2
kW. It heats a pan of water very quickly: a lot faster than a standard
kettle for the same amount of water.

[Andy Burns]

Tim Streater wrote:

> Our Neff came set up limited to 13A. But there is a magic sequence of
> button presses to crank the limit up to 20A with a hard-wired circuit.
> It has a "b" setting for any ring that will shove all 20A through that
> ring. Your pan will boil toot sweet.

I've always been a gas-hob user, and rarely use more than one ring at a
time, but that may have to change to electric ... upcoming decision on
whether to go with bulk LPG tank for boiler which would also allow gas
hob, or go full electric with heatpump and induction hob, I suppose
bottled gas for hob-only would be do-able.

[polygonum_on_google]

I'd have to check, but I think that some induction hobs can be wired to be able to run at full whack OR at a reduced current.

If wired for a lower current, the individual plates are managed to ensure the total draw is within that limit.

[noth...@aolbin.com]

I always preferred gas hobs until I had to switch to induction; I would
not go back to gas.

[Michael Chare]

On 23/01/2020 11:28, Mike Halmarack wrote:
>

You may just be able to prise the existing hob out by sliding a blade
under the edges. I don;t think the Neff hob I removed was held in. The
Bosh induction hob I bought as a replacement has a configuration option
to set the maximum current itm could draw. I was very pleased that it
just fitted in the same size hold in the worktop.


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[Michael Chare]

I grew up with gas cookers, but for the last 35 years have used electric
hobs latterly induction ones. I now find gas hobs alarming as well as
being awkward to keep clean.

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Michael Chare

[harry]

Unless you have a good well sited cooker hood, the fumes from the gas hob are slowly killing you.(Nox)

[Roger Mills]

No-one seems to have mentioned the fact that the size of cut-out
required varies from hob to hob.

If the existing cut-out is too small you can enlarge it. But if it's too
big - or in the wrong place relative to where the hob needs to go - you
may have a problem.
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[Graham.]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> Wrote in message:

AFAIK they throttle the total power back when you are using
multiple "burners". It's a rare occurrence here to use more than
two simultaneously, not that my hob has that limitation.

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[Ray]

"Andy Burns" <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
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Really depends on how you use it. Few choose
to have all the elements on full anymore. Its much
more about using the appropriate element now.

[ARW]

I have seen it done. And some of the posh hobs automatically turn on the
extractor hoods when you turn them on.

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[ARW]

Who does the cooking?

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Adam

[Graham.]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:28:32 +0000, Mike Halmarack
<mikeha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an
>induction hob.
>Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal
>damage to surroundings?
>
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg

RTFM and make sure you can meet the clearance and ventilation
requirements of your hob. Mine is a cheap "Viesta" brand and is
installed above a cutlery drawer. It requires a 3mm gap between the
bottom of the counter and the top of the drawer front, that was easy
because the fronts have screwdriver adjusters for height, however the
chipboard carcase partially baffles the airflow and the kitchen fitter
did not feel it was important enough to cut away. I will have to take
my multitool to it myself because as I predicted the hob occasionally
goes into its induction coil overheat shutdown error mode which clears
if I open the door slightly.

Here's a couple of photos that may illustrate what I mean.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/4B9HrUWGuCgjCUhT6

It appears that some induction hobs don't use this front exhaust
scheme, and their intake and exhaust requirements are met from below.

[charles]

In article <qnmWF.225953$MV7.1...@fx10.am4>,

Some 7 or 8 years ago, I was informed, by someone I trusted, that in
commercial premises you had to have the extractor fan running before you
could get a supply to a gas cooker. Easily dome with a solenoid in the gas
supply.

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[Graham.]

On mine the controls go from 1 to 9. Between 5&9 the continuous power
is changed, between 1&4 the duty-cycle is changed.

If, for example, you have two burners on "2" which is about 50% duty
cycle, I would have expected them to alternate to help with diversity,
but no, they come on and off together.

[Ray]

"Graham." <graham...@email.com> wrote in message
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That's just bad design, what brand ?

[Peeler]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:52:01 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

>
> That's just bad design, what brand ?

Oh, no! The resident senile trolling asshole from Oz is trying to start
another "discussion"! LOL

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[Steve Walker]

I haven't tried one, but when I was looking at induction hobs recently,
some were smart enough that they used reduced power if all the "rings"
were energised at the same time, but operated at full power if only a
couple were.

SteveW

[Mike Halmarack]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:01:59 +0000, Graham. <graham...@email.com>
wrote:

Thanks for yet more detailed and important considerations.
If I hadn't started this thread I would still be thinking that
choosing and fitting an induction hob was a fairly simple matter.
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Mike

[ARW]

On 23/01/2020 20:09, charles wrote:
> In article <qnmWF.225953$MV7.1...@fx10.am4>,
> ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2020 15:07, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Thomas Prufer wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY> > suggests that some Eletrolux hobs
>>>> are just dropped in place.
>>> Do any UK hobs daisy-chain off the oven like that?
>>>
>
>> I have seen it done. And some of the posh hobs automatically turn on the
>> extractor hoods when you turn them on.
>
> Some 7 or 8 years ago, I was informed, by someone I trusted, that in
> commercial premises you had to have the extractor fan running before you
> could get a supply to a gas cooker. Easily dome with a solenoid in the gas
> supply.
>

The person you trust is correct.

There is however more to it than just a switch to turn on the fan and
operate the solenoid in most cases.

There are usually two fans in such properties an intake and an out-take
and they are often variable speed fans.

Normally a fan control unit monitors the fans and shuts the gas off if
either fail. The unit uses a couple of potentiometers that you have to
set to to determine the detection range when the fans are on the slowest
setting.

The ones I have worked on also have an emergency "run for 30 minutes
even if a fan has failed" button to press if you take the front cover
off. That is supposed to let you finish what you are cooking before I
arrive and bypass the con

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Adam

[Thomas Prufer]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 15:16:20 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired,
>I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has
>anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ...
>underpowered?

I have the very cheapest 2kW single induction plate thing, countertop plasticcy
thing. It was just over 20€. The fan is noisy, the temperature setting has 20°C
increments which is "too coarse" in the lowest range. And the 60°C and 80°C
settings will boil water if the pan is small; fine if large enough but still
considerable deviation. The hot spot is smaller than on a large electric plate.
The temperature, time and wattage can be set independently, if clumsily. It is
easy to clean and light (to the point of flimsyness). As there is no hot air as
in burning gas, spatter does not get spread around as much.

For all the pros and cons: underpowered? naah, not compared to the gas hob.

All in all, a great buy, well worth its money. Next time around, I'd get the
second-cheapest, not the cheapest...


Thomas Prufer

[Graham.]

https://efulfillment-online.com/en/portfolio-items/viesta-i4z-induction-hob-ceramic-hob/

[mb]

Good to know.

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[JNugent]

On 02/04/2022 12:45 am, mb wrote:

> Good to know.


Our induction hob connects via a 13A plug.

It has to be using less than a more traditional hotplate type.

[Steve Walker]

Many induction hobs can be preset with a power limit and they will cut
power on rings to avoid exceeding it. Ours is certainly capable of that,
but as it is hard-wired, it can use full power ... nearly 10kW with all
four rings at maximum.

[R D S]

On 23/01/2020 16:11, noth...@aolbin.com wrote:

> I always preferred gas hobs until I had to switch to induction; I would
> not go back to gas.

Same. With a decent set of pans they are a game changer.

[Chris Green]

We found induction very on/off, when turned down low all that happens
is that the on/off duty cycle is reduced. Since it's not at all fast
(e.g. it's off for 8 seconds and then on for 2 seconds for 20%) it
really isn't much good for cooking things slowly.

Our old fashioned solid metal hotplate is far better than either gas
or induction for cooking things slowly (it's on a mixed gas/electric
hob).

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[Theo]

Chris Green <c...@isbd.net> wrote:
> We found induction very on/off, when turned down low all that happens
> is that the on/off duty cycle is reduced. Since it's not at all fast
> (e.g. it's off for 8 seconds and then on for 2 seconds for 20%) it
> really isn't much good for cooking things slowly.

We have a microwave like that - it works in 30 second time periods, so 1/3
power gives you 10 seconds of full power and then off for 20 seconds. It's
hopeless at making eg porridge, because the 10s at 900W into already boiling
porridge is enough to make enough steamy foam to overflow any container.

I can understand that for a microwave, where you don't have proportional
control of the magnetron, although 30s is far too long. But would have
thought that PWM of an induction coil wouldn't be a big ask.

Perhaps just a shortcoming of your particular unit? It sounds like they
just cheaped out on the software.

Theo

[Clive Arthur]

On 02/04/2022 17:24, Chris Green wrote:
<snip>

> We found induction very on/off, when turned down low all that happens
> is that the on/off duty cycle is reduced.

I'm sure you could make them like that, and it seems that some do. Ours
isn't like that.

We've had normal electric and gas, but after using induction in a few
National Trust holiday cottages, we decided we'd change when appropriate.

So when we moved, we did just that. A lot of our cookware (copper
bottomed) had to go to a good home, but the induction cooker is so much
better. I'd never go back.

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[Richard]

On 02/04/2022 17:24, Chris Green wrote:

> R D S <rsa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2020 16:11, noth...@aolbin.com wrote:
>>> I always preferred gas hobs until I had to switch to induction; I would
>>> not go back to gas.
>>
>> Same. With a decent set of pans they are a game changer.
>
> We found induction very on/off, when turned down low all that happens
> is that the on/off duty cycle is reduced. Since it's not at all fast
> (e.g. it's off for 8 seconds and then on for 2 seconds for 20%) it
> really isn't much good for cooking things slowly.

OK, I'll bite. If "it's not at all fast" why isn't it much good for slow
cooking?
FWIW, our Bosch induction hob seems to manage cooking slowly for hours
and the food is palatable.

[Max Demian]

On 02/04/2022 21:56, Theo wrote:
> Chris Green <c...@isbd.net> wrote:

>> We found induction very on/off, when turned down low all that happens
>> is that the on/off duty cycle is reduced. Since it's not at all fast
>> (e.g. it's off for 8 seconds and then on for 2 seconds for 20%) it
>> really isn't much good for cooking things slowly.
>
> We have a microwave like that - it works in 30 second time periods, so 1/3
> power gives you 10 seconds of full power and then off for 20 seconds. It's
> hopeless at making eg porridge, because the 10s at 900W into already boiling
> porridge is enough to make enough steamy foam to overflow any container.

Just use a bigger container, such as a Pyrex bowl. [1] If you don't set
the microwave to maximum it'll just take longer. [2] I never use
anything other than maximum power on mine. I don't try to use it to
defrost as microwaves are never much good for that, as they don't heat
ice very well.

[1] 18cm for 1 serving; 21cm for 2 (or maybe 3).

[2] Stir rolled oats (and a pinch of salt) into the water - I find 1/4
cup to 1 cup per serving right - zap for 3 minutes, stir, zap for 2
minutes, stir, then stand for 1 minute.

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[Tim Lamb]

In message <t2bv4m$1gj0$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Max Demian
<max_d...@bigfoot.com> writes

Pyrex cooking bowl is good.

I have a porridge cup with marks for small/large servings together with
appropriate milk levels.
900Watt on full power for 60 seconds, stir, further 60 seconds to finish
cooking. Take out and stir.
>

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[Rod Speed]

Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote

> On 02/04/2022 21:56, Theo wrote:
>> Chris Green <c...@isbd.net> wrote:
>
>>> We found induction very on/off, when turned down low all that happens
>>> is that the on/off duty cycle is reduced. Since it's not at all fast
>>> (e.g. it's off for 8 seconds and then on for 2 seconds for 20%) it
>>> really isn't much good for cooking things slowly.
>> We have a microwave like that - it works in 30 second time periods, so
>> 1/3
>> power gives you 10 seconds of full power and then off for 20 seconds.
>> It's
>> hopeless at making eg porridge, because the 10s at 900W into already
>> boiling
>> porridge is enough to make enough steamy foam to overflow any container.
>
> Just use a bigger container, such as a Pyrex bowl. [1] If you don't set
> the microwave to maximum it'll just take longer.

> I never use anything other than maximum power on mine.

More fool you. That is a stupid way to make a block of butter softer.

> I don't try to use it to defrost as microwaves are never much good for
> that, as they don't heat ice very well.

That is complete and utter bullshit.

[Peeler]

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[Vir Campestris]

On 02/04/2022 17:24, Chris Green wrote:

> We found induction very on/off, when turned down low all that happens
> is that the on/off duty cycle is reduced. Since it's not at all fast
> (e.g. it's off for 8 seconds and then on for 2 seconds for 20%) it
> really isn't much good for cooking things slowly.
>
> Our old fashioned solid metal hotplate is far better than either gas
> or induction for cooking things slowly (it's on a mixed gas/electric
> hob).

I'm another fan, as is my wife. It sounds as though you had a dud one.

One of the major advantages is cleaning: If something boils over you
just wipe it up. It doesn't burn on, and the hob doesn't get really hot
- it will get up to the temperature of the saucepan _eventually_ which
is normally boiling, but that takes longer than most of the things I cook.

Andy