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Harry Bloomfield
Sep 23, 2012, 8:58:32 AM9/23/12
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I earlier mentioned we had had a new rear door fitted, along with all
of the windows and the fact that the door had a vertical bow at both
sides, touching at top and bottom leaving a gap halfway down. Adjusting
the latch so it compressed the seal more, improved the gap, but made it
difficult latch / lock and unlock.
The bow as near as I could measure it was around 3mm, but with the
latch set for ease of opening/ closing, it left a 2mm gap between seal
and door.
We got the installer back yet again, pointed out the bow plus the
difficulty of locking unlocking and he was then talking in terms of
getting the manufacturer back to sort the bow out, in the meantime he
was going to fit a new lock as the original had suffered damage due to
the problems.
Last week he returned with a new lock, fitted it, but denied having
suggested getting the bow sorted out by the manufacturer, so after
numerous visits from them I am now giving up and taking it up with
FENSA. Its a 50/50 Glass/Solid door, so comes within their remit.
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Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
of the windows and the fact that the door had a vertical bow at both
sides, touching at top and bottom leaving a gap halfway down. Adjusting
the latch so it compressed the seal more, improved the gap, but made it
difficult latch / lock and unlock.
The bow as near as I could measure it was around 3mm, but with the
latch set for ease of opening/ closing, it left a 2mm gap between seal
and door.
We got the installer back yet again, pointed out the bow plus the
difficulty of locking unlocking and he was then talking in terms of
getting the manufacturer back to sort the bow out, in the meantime he
was going to fit a new lock as the original had suffered damage due to
the problems.
Last week he returned with a new lock, fitted it, but denied having
suggested getting the bow sorted out by the manufacturer, so after
numerous visits from them I am now giving up and taking it up with
FENSA. Its a 50/50 Glass/Solid door, so comes within their remit.
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Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
Brian Gaff
Sep 23, 2012, 1:13:51 PM9/23/12
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I'm not impressed by upvc doors. A few years in and my back door has twisted
and has a tendency to let in drafts at the bottom catch edge no matter how
you adjust things. I just don't think they are internally strong enough to
reseist the weight and the passage of time.
Brian
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and has a tendency to let in drafts at the bottom catch edge no matter how
you adjust things. I just don't think they are internally strong enough to
reseist the weight and the passage of time.
Brian
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harry
Sep 23, 2012, 1:44:28 PM9/23/12
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On Sep 23, 1:58 pm, Harry Bloomfield
You need to check the frame as well. If your door is a three hinge job
you may find the hinges are ajustable. The hinge pins are eccenrically
mounted and can be revolved to adjust. If they are not right (ie
axises inline) the door is bowed.
The frame is easily distorted by the fixing screws if the correct
packing pieces have not been fitted. You can bet your life it was OK
when manufactured and the installer has f****d it up.
They are hard to adjust but that's why you pay "experts".
you may find the hinges are ajustable. The hinge pins are eccenrically
mounted and can be revolved to adjust. If they are not right (ie
axises inline) the door is bowed.
The frame is easily distorted by the fixing screws if the correct
packing pieces have not been fitted. You can bet your life it was OK
when manufactured and the installer has f****d it up.
They are hard to adjust but that's why you pay "experts".
Weatherlawyer
Sep 23, 2012, 1:53:53 PM9/23/12
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placed.
Harry Bloomfield
Sep 23, 2012, 3:05:11 PM9/23/12
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harry was thinking very hard :
The frame is, as near as I can check, spot on. The frame was my first
suspect. Top edge and bottom edge meets the frame perfectly, it is just
that it bows in the middle as if it had been transported flat,
supported under the top and bottom edges, with some weight placed in
the middle which bent the steel frame.
It is a three hinge door. The only adjustments he has made in his 5(?)
visits, is to the latch and to replace the lock on his last visit.
suspect. Top edge and bottom edge meets the frame perfectly, it is just
that it bows in the middle as if it had been transported flat,
supported under the top and bottom edges, with some weight placed in
the middle which bent the steel frame.
It is a three hinge door. The only adjustments he has made in his 5(?)
visits, is to the latch and to replace the lock on his last visit.
harry
Sep 24, 2012, 2:59:07 AM9/24/12
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On Sep 23, 8:05 pm, Harry Bloomfield
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With the three hinges, the middle on being out of line with the top
and bottom ones bows the door. Usually there is a cap on the hinge
pins that comes off and the pin is turned with an allen(hex) key.
Because it is an eccentric the door is moved. Ovbiously it can be
moved in all directions depending on where the eccentric is turned.
The bit you turn is a tube (closed top end) but the bore is eccentric
to the outer diameter. The actual hing pin is inside this tube.
(All assuming this is in fact the adjustment method). But worth
looking at.
If the bow is worse on the hinge edge as opposed to the slam edge you
can bet this is the cause of the problem if the frame is OK.
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With the three hinges, the middle on being out of line with the top
and bottom ones bows the door. Usually there is a cap on the hinge
pins that comes off and the pin is turned with an allen(hex) key.
Because it is an eccentric the door is moved. Ovbiously it can be
moved in all directions depending on where the eccentric is turned.
The bit you turn is a tube (closed top end) but the bore is eccentric
to the outer diameter. The actual hing pin is inside this tube.
(All assuming this is in fact the adjustment method). But worth
looking at.
If the bow is worse on the hinge edge as opposed to the slam edge you
can bet this is the cause of the problem if the frame is OK.
Harry Bloomfield
Sep 24, 2012, 4:12:25 AM9/24/12
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harry explained on 24/09/2012 :
Thanks for that, I'll certainly take a look at the hinges.
Muddymike
Sep 24, 2012, 4:12:42 AM9/24/12
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>I'm not impressed by upvc doors. A few years in and my back door has
>twisted and has a tendency to let in drafts at the bottom catch edge no
>matter how you adjust things. I just don't think they are internally strong
>enough to reseist the weight and the passage of time.
>
> Brian
>
We have three that were installed under the previous owners that are now 12
>twisted and has a tendency to let in drafts at the bottom catch edge no
>matter how you adjust things. I just don't think they are internally strong
>enough to reseist the weight and the passage of time.
>
> Brian
>
years old. They fit and work perfectly.
Mike
Ilene D'over
Sep 24, 2012, 5:21:29 AM9/24/12
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Harry Bloomfield <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote...
>>
>> With the three hinges, the middle on being out of line with the top
>> and bottom ones bows the door. Usually there is a cap on the hinge
>> pins that comes off and the pin is turned with an allen(hex) key.
>> Because it is an eccentric the door is moved. Ovbiously it can be
>> moved in all directions depending on where the eccentric is turned.
>> The bit you turn is a tube (closed top end) but the bore is eccentric
>> to the outer diameter. The actual hing pin is inside this tube.
>>
>> (All assuming this is in fact the adjustment method). But worth
>> looking at.
>> If the bow is worse on the hinge edge as opposed to the slam edge you
>> can bet this is the cause of the problem if the frame is OK.
>
>Thanks for that, I'll certainly take a look at the hinges.
>
Although I agree that this is a possibility, there should never been a
need to touch the hinge cams as they are factory set. The fitter would
know not to touch them and if they were the cause of the problem, he
should have checked them on the first visit to rectify the fault.
However, I have seen stranger things!
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Ilene
>>
>> With the three hinges, the middle on being out of line with the top
>> and bottom ones bows the door. Usually there is a cap on the hinge
>> pins that comes off and the pin is turned with an allen(hex) key.
>> Because it is an eccentric the door is moved. Ovbiously it can be
>> moved in all directions depending on where the eccentric is turned.
>> The bit you turn is a tube (closed top end) but the bore is eccentric
>> to the outer diameter. The actual hing pin is inside this tube.
>>
>> (All assuming this is in fact the adjustment method). But worth
>> looking at.
>> If the bow is worse on the hinge edge as opposed to the slam edge you
>> can bet this is the cause of the problem if the frame is OK.
>
>Thanks for that, I'll certainly take a look at the hinges.
>
need to touch the hinge cams as they are factory set. The fitter would
know not to touch them and if they were the cause of the problem, he
should have checked them on the first visit to rectify the fault.
However, I have seen stranger things!
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Ilene
harry
Sep 24, 2012, 11:47:28 AM9/24/12
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On Sep 24, 10:21 am, Ilene D'over <Il...@no.spam.here> wrote:
> Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote...
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distorts during fitting & adjustment is needed. But if it's too far
out then it's no help. Frame needs checking for squareness too.
> Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote...
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They can also be turned to make the lock line up. Sometimes the frame
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distorts during fitting & adjustment is needed. But if it's too far
out then it's no help. Frame needs checking for squareness too.
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