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SH
May 22, 2022, 4:20:13 PM5/22/22
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Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
well in need of painting on both sides.
This was the reason why we went for slotted concrete posts so the panels
could be lifted out and painted on both sides and then replaced without
ever needing to enter any neighbour's back garden.
The panels are 6ft by 6ft. They are fully batten framed with two
horizontal battens at 2ft and 4ft. it is then panneled with vertical
featherboard planks.
Access is easy on our side.
Now my plan is this: To screw on 4 metal handles on the two horizontal
battens so to give us something to hold onto.
I then plan to erect a scaffold tower that is 6ft tall. I would then put
scaffold boards on this tower, stand on it so that the top edge of the
panel is at my feet level.
I would then pull up the panel and use the screwed on handles to then
lift the panel clear of the two posts and then lower down onto the pavement.
I would thenn move the panel to our lawn, paint them, allow to dry and
then take back to the scaffold tower and then lift up, and then drop
carefulyl back into the two slotted posts.
ANyone done this or got a better method?
Is handling a 6ft by 6ft panel on my own doable or is this a 2 person job?
S.
concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
well in need of painting on both sides.
This was the reason why we went for slotted concrete posts so the panels
could be lifted out and painted on both sides and then replaced without
ever needing to enter any neighbour's back garden.
The panels are 6ft by 6ft. They are fully batten framed with two
horizontal battens at 2ft and 4ft. it is then panneled with vertical
featherboard planks.
Access is easy on our side.
Now my plan is this: To screw on 4 metal handles on the two horizontal
battens so to give us something to hold onto.
I then plan to erect a scaffold tower that is 6ft tall. I would then put
scaffold boards on this tower, stand on it so that the top edge of the
panel is at my feet level.
I would then pull up the panel and use the screwed on handles to then
lift the panel clear of the two posts and then lower down onto the pavement.
I would thenn move the panel to our lawn, paint them, allow to dry and
then take back to the scaffold tower and then lift up, and then drop
carefulyl back into the two slotted posts.
ANyone done this or got a better method?
Is handling a 6ft by 6ft panel on my own doable or is this a 2 person job?
S.
Murmansk
May 22, 2022, 4:35:18 PM5/22/22
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I reckon one person might conceivably be able to take them out but it'd need two to put them back
SteveW
May 22, 2022, 5:35:59 PM5/22/22
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On 22/05/2022 21:20, SH wrote:
> Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
> we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>
> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
> well in need of painting on both sides.
>
> This was the reason why we went for slotted concrete posts so the panels
> could be lifted out and painted on both sides and then replaced without
> ever needing to enter any neighbour's back garden.
>
> The panels are 6ft by 6ft. They are fully batten framed with two
> horizontal battens at 2ft and 4ft. it is then panneled with vertical
> featherboard planks.
Are they really 6' x 6'? Usually there is a 1', concrete gravel board at
> Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
> we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>
> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
> well in need of painting on both sides.
>
> This was the reason why we went for slotted concrete posts so the panels
> could be lifted out and painted on both sides and then replaced without
> ever needing to enter any neighbour's back garden.
>
> The panels are 6ft by 6ft. They are fully batten framed with two
> horizontal battens at 2ft and 4ft. it is then panneled with vertical
> featherboard planks.
the bottom and anything taller than 5' on top takes you over the legal
limit for a fence that is installed without planning permission.
> Access is easy on our side.
>
> Now my plan is this: To screw on 4 metal handles on the two horizontal
> battens so to give us something to hold onto.
>
> I then plan to erect a scaffold tower that is 6ft tall. I would then put
> scaffold boards on this tower, stand on it so that the top edge of the
> panel is at my feet level.
>
> I would then pull up the panel and use the screwed on handles to then
> lift the panel clear of the two posts and then lower down onto the
> pavement.
>
> I would thenn move the panel to our lawn, paint them, allow to dry and
> then take back to the scaffold tower and then lift up, and then drop
> carefulyl back into the two slotted posts.
>
> ANyone done this or got a better method?
>
> Is handling a 6ft by 6ft panel on my own doable or is this a 2 person job?
top rail, until you can get under the bottom rail; raise evenly at both
ends until there is about a foot still in the post channels; hold the
bottom with one hand and just above the post with the other and lift
out. Don't try it on a windy day!
Adrian Caspersz
May 22, 2022, 6:39:23 PM5/22/22
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On 22/05/2022 21:20, SH wrote:
> Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
> we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>
> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
> well in need of painting on both sides.
>
I dunno. 2 cents worth of question here....
> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
> we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>
> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
> well in need of painting on both sides.
>
Is the main purpose of the paint decorative or protective?
Without painting the neighbours side, is the structural integrity of the
whole fence going to eventually fail that badly to worry about it? Sure
the surface may look tatty on their side - but it's their problem then.
Just paint your side.
You may own the fence and have responsibility to replace it, but if they
do deny you access then tough on them on how it looks?
My neighbour owns the hedge between us. He doesn't come over and tend to
it from our side.
--
Adrian C
N_Cook
May 23, 2022, 3:21:42 AM5/23/22
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On 22/05/2022 21:20, SH wrote:
ivy grow up it for green walls, laziness wins out.
Little maintainence required for 30 years going by the previous bit of
fence/greenwall, the birds love it. After 30 years the ivy haslong since
surplanted the fence pannels. Only maintainence required is to secateur
pollard the ivy stems at the 6 foot level to avoid it overtopping and a
general hedge clipping once a year to keep its bulk down
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<http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>
SH
May 23, 2022, 3:37:51 AM5/23/22
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>
> Are they really 6' x 6'? Usually there is a 1', concrete gravel board at
> the bottom and anything taller than 5' on top takes you over the legal
> limit for a fence that is installed without planning permission.
boards under the panels but (a) the panels are part sunken into the
ground and (b) I do have planning permission
>
> I've done 6' x 5' panels with two people and nothing extra - lift by the
> top rail, until you can get under the bottom rail; raise evenly at both
> ends until there is about a foot still in the post channels; hold the
> bottom with one hand and just above the post with the other and lift
> out. Don't try it on a windy day!
panel, and my arms are not even 3ft long!
SH
May 23, 2022, 3:42:29 AM5/23/22
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On 22/05/2022 23:39, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 21:20, SH wrote:
>> Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
>> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and
>> thus we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>>
>> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
>> well in need of painting on both sides.
>>
>
> I dunno. 2 cents worth of question here....
>
> Is the main purpose of the paint decorative or protective?
Both
> On 22/05/2022 21:20, SH wrote:
>> Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
>> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and
>> thus we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>>
>> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
>> well in need of painting on both sides.
>>
>
> I dunno. 2 cents worth of question here....
>
> Is the main purpose of the paint decorative or protective?
> Without painting the neighbours side, is the structural integrity of the
> whole fence going to eventually fail that badly to worry about it? Sure
> the surface may look tatty on their side - but it's their problem then.
> Just paint your side.
not interested. Some are owner occupied and they certainly have no
interest in painting other people's fences.
Interestingly enough, did you know that if you put a nail, a screw or
paint someone else's fence, its actually criminal damage.
Before doing anything to a fence, you MUST check who owns it, and if its
owned by someone else, you MUST get permission first before doing
anything to said fence.
> You may own the fence and have responsibility to replace it, but if they
> do deny you access then tough on them on how it looks?
well, (b) there may be things on their side like benches, bushes etc
that prevent access to said fence panel and (c) I do not run the risk of
accidentally damaging something of theirs
> My neighbour owns the hedge between us. He doesn't come over and tend to
> it from our side.
SH
May 23, 2022, 3:47:10 AM5/23/22
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>>
>
> Luckily my 2 neighbours have come round to my way of thinking, let the
> ivy grow up it for green walls, laziness wins out.
> Little maintainence required for 30 years going by the previous bit of
> fence/greenwall, the birds love it. After 30 years the ivy haslong since
> surplanted the fence pannels. Only maintainence required is to secateur
> pollard the ivy stems at the 6 foot level to avoid it overtopping and a
> general hedge clipping once a year to keep its bulk down
>
of our property.
Did you know that if you grow an ivy that then attaches itself to a
fence that is owned by someone else, you're committing criminal damage?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1301359/Couple-painting-fence-fined-80-criminal-damage-flecks-ended-neighbours-side.html
https://knight-fencing.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Fencing-and-boundary-guide.pdf
Harry Bloomfield Esq
May 23, 2022, 4:37:46 AM5/23/22
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on 22/05/2022, SH supposed :
my own, from the ground a few weeks ago. The easy way is to partially
lift them up, then spring them out of the slots using a crow bar.
The concrete posts are rarely perfectly parallel, so your mileage may
vary with the ease of sliding them out.
> Is handling a 6ft by 6ft panel on my own doable or is this a 2 person job?
I did a couple of such 6x6 panels set on top of 12" concrete panels on
my own, from the ground a few weeks ago. The easy way is to partially
lift them up, then spring them out of the slots using a crow bar.
The concrete posts are rarely perfectly parallel, so your mileage may
vary with the ease of sliding them out.
Tricky Dicky
May 23, 2022, 4:49:36 AM5/23/22
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https://youtu.be/pnQ9pqHdnzU
Richard
Colin Bignell
May 23, 2022, 5:20:39 AM5/23/22
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On 23/05/2022 08:47, SH wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Luckily my 2 neighbours have come round to my way of thinking, let the
>> ivy grow up it for green walls, laziness wins out.
>> Little maintainence required for 30 years going by the previous bit of
>> fence/greenwall, the birds love it. After 30 years the ivy haslong
>> since surplanted the fence pannels. Only maintainence required is to
>> secateur pollard the ivy stems at the 6 foot level to avoid it
>> overtopping and a general hedge clipping once a year to keep its bulk
>> down
>>
>
> Well unfortunately not for us, we take care and pride in the appearance
> of our property.
A green wall is not incompatible with that.
>
>>>
>>
>> Luckily my 2 neighbours have come round to my way of thinking, let the
>> ivy grow up it for green walls, laziness wins out.
>> Little maintainence required for 30 years going by the previous bit of
>> fence/greenwall, the birds love it. After 30 years the ivy haslong
>> since surplanted the fence pannels. Only maintainence required is to
>> secateur pollard the ivy stems at the 6 foot level to avoid it
>> overtopping and a general hedge clipping once a year to keep its bulk
>> down
>>
>
> Well unfortunately not for us, we take care and pride in the appearance
> of our property.
> Did you know that if you grow an ivy that then attaches itself to a
> fence that is owned by someone else, you're committing criminal damage?
done here.
--
Colin Bignell
Theo
May 23, 2022, 6:02:27 AM5/23/22
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Tricky Dicky <tricky...@sky.com> wrote:
> This might be too much work but this guy built a simple hoist to be able to pull out panels by himself.
>
> https://youtu.be/pnQ9pqHdnzU
Nice.
> This might be too much work but this guy built a simple hoist to be able to pull out panels by himself.
>
> https://youtu.be/pnQ9pqHdnzU
If you don't mind screwing battens to the panel, this is simpler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ChRpT0jds
(might be able to do it with clamps rather than screwing, depending on the
design of panel)
Theo
Andrew
May 23, 2022, 6:06:21 AM5/23/22
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On 23/05/2022 09:37, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
> on 22/05/2022, SH supposed :
>> Is handling a 6ft by 6ft panel on my own doable or is this a 2 person
>> job?
>
> I did a couple of such 6x6 panels set on top of 12" concrete panels on
> my own, from the ground a few weeks ago. The easy way is to partially
> lift them up, then spring them out of the slots using a crow bar.
>
Only if you are using the cheap panels that only last 7 years or so.
> on 22/05/2022, SH supposed :
>> Is handling a 6ft by 6ft panel on my own doable or is this a 2 person
>> job?
>
> I did a couple of such 6x6 panels set on top of 12" concrete panels on
> my own, from the ground a few weeks ago. The easy way is to partially
> lift them up, then spring them out of the slots using a crow bar.
>
It sounds like the OP has used the much stronger panels that have
three horizontal bars with vertical overlapping panels about 5 inches
wide. These last a long time (and cost up to £100 each).
You wont 'spring' them out with a cowbar.
SH
May 23, 2022, 6:10:37 AM5/23/22
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Andrew
May 23, 2022, 6:12:52 AM5/23/22
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They are all 6 foot wide, so the original concrete posts would
have been set at the correct gap with the panel in place.
That's how I did my concrete posts 25 years ago.
N_Cook
May 23, 2022, 7:22:43 AM5/23/22
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and outwards too far and amazingly resiliant against gale damage as long
as the posts are not rotten.
Ivy fruit in about February is about the only naturally occuring
foodstuff for birds at that time of year
whisky-dave
May 23, 2022, 8:47:58 AM5/23/22
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Robin
May 23, 2022, 8:59:10 AM5/23/22
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is narrower than the gap between the posts and out they pop. More
likely with cheaper panels which are less rigid - but better to bend,
escape and survive than stay and break :)
*ditto for putting them back: just reverse the process with application
of rope and levers.
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
Peter Johnson
May 23, 2022, 11:07:50 AM5/23/22
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On Sun, 22 May 2022 23:39:18 +0100, Adrian Caspersz
<em...@here.invalid> wrote:
>On 22/05/2022 21:20, SH wrote:
>> Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
>> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
>> we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>>
>> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
>> well in need of painting on both sides.
>>
>
>I dunno. 2 cents worth of question here....
>
>Is the main purpose of the paint decorative or protective?
>
>Without painting the neighbours side, is the structural integrity of the
>whole fence going to eventually fail that badly to worry about it? Sure
>the surface may look tatty on their side - but it's their problem then.
>Just paint your side.
>
>You may own the fence and have responsibility to replace it, but if they
>do deny you access then tough on them on how it looks?
>
Round here fence owners seem to take the view that if the neighbours
<em...@here.invalid> wrote:
>On 22/05/2022 21:20, SH wrote:
>> Right, we had a new fence put up 4 years ago comprising of slotted
>> concrete posts amd wood panels. the fence is *all* owned by us and thus
>> we are responsible for its maintenance and upkeep.
>>
>> Some of these panels face onto neighbours back gardens. The panels are
>> well in need of painting on both sides.
>>
>
>I dunno. 2 cents worth of question here....
>
>Is the main purpose of the paint decorative or protective?
>
>Without painting the neighbours side, is the structural integrity of the
>whole fence going to eventually fail that badly to worry about it? Sure
>the surface may look tatty on their side - but it's their problem then.
>Just paint your side.
>
>You may own the fence and have responsibility to replace it, but if they
>do deny you access then tough on them on how it looks?
>
want the fence painting they can paint it themselves. I've never
painted the remote side of the fence that I own, but I gave approval
when the neighbour requested it to paint his side. The guy who owns
the fence at the bottom of the garden said that he was going to take
the panels out to paint them but then changed his mind, painting only
his side.If the neighbours paint their side they can then have a
colour that they like and not one that the owner might otherwise
impose on them.
N_Cook
May 23, 2022, 11:11:48 AM5/23/22
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But someone down the road with a garden that could prize win at Chelsea,
does not allow ivy on his fences. But he did buy an ivy plant to cover
his house walls, the best bricklaying and pointing example in the area,
or was.
When that ivy threatens to invade his loft he hacks it back , leaving an
unsightly ( to my eyes) mess of ivy root material on the bricks, strange
old world.
Theo
May 23, 2022, 11:29:07 AM5/23/22
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Peter Johnson <pe...@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
> Round here fence owners seem to take the view that if the neighbours
> want the fence painting they can paint it themselves. I've never
> painted the remote side of the fence that I own, but I gave approval
> when the neighbour requested it to paint his side. The guy who owns
> the fence at the bottom of the garden said that he was going to take
> the panels out to paint them but then changed his mind, painting only
> his side.If the neighbours paint their side they can then have a
> colour that they like and not one that the owner might otherwise
> impose on them.
Supposedly, if you have a dip treated fence it should be painted once a
> Round here fence owners seem to take the view that if the neighbours
> want the fence painting they can paint it themselves. I've never
> painted the remote side of the fence that I own, but I gave approval
> when the neighbour requested it to paint his side. The guy who owns
> the fence at the bottom of the garden said that he was going to take
> the panels out to paint them but then changed his mind, painting only
> his side.If the neighbours paint their side they can then have a
> colour that they like and not one that the owner might otherwise
> impose on them.
year. If it's pressure treated you don't need to paint it (much). So it
may be to your advantage to paint the remote side with preservative if it
prolongs the life.
It seems quite common for fence panel sellers not to tell you whether it's
pressure or dip treated, which is quite annoying.
Theo
N_Cook
May 23, 2022, 3:17:43 PM5/23/22
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>
> Doesn't ivy damage pointing? Unlike, say, virginia cheaper?
>
Don't know about that, but some specialised knowledge.
Ivy wrecks mathematical tile clad facades but virginia creeper is
compatible as it needs artificial support
Colin Bignell
May 23, 2022, 3:22:01 PM5/23/22
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On 23/05/2022 17:57, Tim Streater wrote:
...
> Doesn't ivy damage pointing?...
Not if it is sound, but it can worsen the condition of already crumbling
pointing.
--
Colin Bignell
...
> Doesn't ivy damage pointing?...
Not if it is sound, but it can worsen the condition of already crumbling
pointing.
--
Colin Bignell
N_Cook
May 23, 2022, 3:22:20 PM5/23/22
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On 23/05/2022 20:17, N_Cook wrote:
> virginia creeper
sorry, misremembered it is Wisteria , not Virginia Creeper
> virginia creeper
sorry, misremembered it is Wisteria , not Virginia Creeper
Andrew
May 24, 2022, 8:18:45 AM5/24/22
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(not sure if this is a hard and fast rule though) while dipped
panels are just a brownish colour.
even pressure treated timber will have a limited life (< 7yrs)
if in contact with soil.
West Sussex County Council spend a lot of S106 money
a few years ago making a series of steps where a moderately
steep footpath descending one side of a railway cutting to the
foot crossing. The contractor used 9 x 2 'green' treated
timber, normally used for flooring joists (I think it was
marked C24) cut to 4 foot lengths, as risers, held in place
with 2x2 timber spikes and backfilled with soil from the
gradient to make the steps.
After about 7 years, about a third of them were rotten.
Theo
May 24, 2022, 11:08:28 AM5/24/22
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Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> You could try Jacksons Fencing (https://www.jacksons-fencing.co.uk) - all
> their stuff is pressure treated and guaranteed for 25 years.
They're on my shortlist. However I was mostly griping about local
suppliers - some of whom make up on site, some buy in. Forest Garden
Products seem to supply most of the sheds and a number of the timber
merchants by dropshipping, but they seem to have stock issues.
Don't really want to traipse around to inspect (I think many resellers don't keep
stock) but I might have to.
Jacksons are quite pricey for most of their panels though: £100-150 per
6'x6' panel. Although they have a £70 closeboard, and a local ag place does
them for £60, so not so bad.
(would actually like a decent quality waney edge panel, but not sure
anyone does those)
Theo
> You could try Jacksons Fencing (https://www.jacksons-fencing.co.uk) - all
> their stuff is pressure treated and guaranteed for 25 years.
They're on my shortlist. However I was mostly griping about local
suppliers - some of whom make up on site, some buy in. Forest Garden
Products seem to supply most of the sheds and a number of the timber
merchants by dropshipping, but they seem to have stock issues.
Don't really want to traipse around to inspect (I think many resellers don't keep
stock) but I might have to.
Jacksons are quite pricey for most of their panels though: £100-150 per
6'x6' panel. Although they have a £70 closeboard, and a local ag place does
them for £60, so not so bad.
(would actually like a decent quality waney edge panel, but not sure
anyone does those)
Theo
SteveW
May 24, 2022, 12:19:04 PM5/24/22
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parents back fence has had the same panels (still in good condition) for
around 40 years now! They do treat them every year though.
One did fail recently, but that was because the neighbour behind had
created a raised bed, bringing the soil about 6" up the wooden panel.
Andy Burns
May 24, 2022, 3:05:57 PM5/24/22
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SteveW wrote:
> Theo wrote:
>
>> (would actually like a decent quality waney edge panel, but not sure
>> anyone does those)
>
> They used to, but I've not seen any good ones for a long time. My parents back
> fence has had the same panels (still in good condition) for around 40 years now!
At my Dad's house, there's a fence made of substantial vertical "wedge" shaped
timbers, it was taken down from a gas yard in the early '70s, re-erected at his
and probably only been treated a couple of times in the last 50 years, the posts
have mostly gone on it now, but the boarding is still in good nick, I suspect it
had a lot of creosote early in its life because of where it came from.
> Theo wrote:
>
>> (would actually like a decent quality waney edge panel, but not sure
>> anyone does those)
>
> They used to, but I've not seen any good ones for a long time. My parents back
> fence has had the same panels (still in good condition) for around 40 years now!
timbers, it was taken down from a gas yard in the early '70s, re-erected at his
and probably only been treated a couple of times in the last 50 years, the posts
have mostly gone on it now, but the boarding is still in good nick, I suspect it
had a lot of creosote early in its life because of where it came from.
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