Panasonic bread maker

[GB]

I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.

A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.

Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?

[Chris J Dixon]

When I had that problem, back in 2006, I found a complete
replacement on ebay. It was unused, but had a slight dink on the
casing, and cost me abut £10 more than just a new pan. Still
going well, with the old one at the back of a cupboard, just in
case.

Chris
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[Martin Brown]

In theory it could be recoated but it would cost a lot more than £55 to
get it clean, grease free and apply a one off coating that will last.
You might be able to clean it completely and oil it like a classical
frying pan - no longer non-stick but useable as cookware.

Before you invest too much in it check that the impeller isn't about to
fail too - ours had to be shimmed to work after a decade or so as the
shaft had so worn that the D shaped hole that it was almost round.

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[Algernon Goss-Custard]

GB <NOTso...@microsoft.invalid> posted

I have had the same problem, and very likely the same machine - an
SD-253. In my case it was really just the paddle that was getting worn.

What I did was keep looking in the charity shops. You often see them in
there - typically virtually unused, and usually priced less than £10. I
found one within a few months. And like Chris I kept my old one in the
loft just in case.

--
Algernon

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:

I have never net a non stick coating yet that
(a) didn't stick
(b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
Most last way less.

I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks you
can scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.

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that they are dead.
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[Max Demian]

On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:

Can't you just paint the pan with oil with a pastry brush?

--
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[GB]

No, that doesn't work unfortunately, as the dough is mixed in the pan.
Then kneaded, etc. By the time that's done, any oil on the pan would be
scraped off by the dough.

[John Brown]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote

> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>
>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>
>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>> sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>
> I have never net a non stick coating yet that
> (a) didn't stick
> (b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
> Most last way less.
>
> I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks you can
> scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.

You are confusing BREAD MAKERS with frypans.

[Rod Speed]

Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote

Cant see that working with a bread maker. They spend half the
time initially making a dough ball and having that rise before
they bake the dough ball and that will take the oil off before
the loaf is baked.

[Fredxx]

On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:

I now do all bread making in a mixers and oven tins. The oven tins I use
are galvanised, and from shrinkage in to the bake I've always been able
to knock the loaves out. But then I do also oil the sides.

There are sprays that work on a one-off basis but once a PTFE surface is
gone there's not much you can do.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I am not. I also use raw steel baking trays, or porcelain

Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted

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[Fredxx]

On 09/12/2021 18:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/12/2021 17:44, John Brown wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working
>>>> fine, except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>>>
>>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>>>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please?
>>>> Or a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>>
>>> I have never net a non stick coating yet that
>>> (a) didn't stick
>>> (b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
>>> Most last way less.
>>>
>>> I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks you
>>> can scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.
>>
>> You are confusing BREAD MAKERS with frypans
>
> I am not. I also use raw steel baking trays, or porcelain
>
> Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted

I find sheet steel rusts, and this rust is bit of an inconvenience. I
might even say it is more of an inconvenience than a failing PTFE coating.

[Martin Brown]

I presumed he meant oil the thing and then bake it so the oil becomes a
shiny black layer like on a frying pan or old style baking trays.

It will require a lot more thumping to get the bread out but once it has
been conditioned it should be reasonable. The alternative is use the
breadmaker to make the dough and cook it in a traditional bread tin.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Fredxx]

On 09/12/2021 18:46, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 09/12/2021 17:19, GB wrote:
>> On 09/12/2021 17:12, Max Demian wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working
>>>> fine, except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>>>
>>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>>>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please?
>>>> Or a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>
>>> Can't you just paint the pan with oil with a pastry brush?
>>>
>>
>> No, that doesn't work unfortunately, as the dough is mixed in the pan.
>> Then kneaded, etc. By the time that's done, any oil on the pan would
>> be scraped off by the dough.
>
> I presumed he meant oil the thing and then bake it so the oil becomes a
> shiny black layer like on a frying pan or old style baking trays.

Tricky as the paddle drive bearing would be destroyed if the whole tin
is baked to oil burning temperatures.

> It will require a lot more thumping to get the bread out but once it has
> been conditioned it should be reasonable. The alternative is use the
> breadmaker to make the dough and cook it in a traditional bread tin.

I have to say I've given up on bread-makers as they soon become unreliable.

[Rod Speed]

Fredxx <fre...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> GB wrote

>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.

>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.

>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>> sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?

> I now do all bread making in a mixers and oven tins.

Much more work than a bread maker and much more cleanup too.

[John Brown]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> John Brown wrote
>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>>>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>>>
>>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>>>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>>>> sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>>
>>> I have never net a non stick coating yet that
>>> (a) didn't stick
>>> (b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
>>> Most last way less.
>>>
>>> I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks you
>>> can scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.
>>
>> You are confusing BREAD MAKERS with frypans
>
> I am not.

Yes you are.

> I also use raw steel baking trays, or porcelain

But there are no cast iron bread maker tins.

> Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted

You clearly haven't used a bread maker. I have never
had the non stick in the Breville bread makers ever
fail and I use mine every 4 days for many years now.

[Rod Speed]

Fredxx <fre...@nospam.invalid> wrote
> The Natural Philosopher wrote

>> John Brown wrote
>>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>>>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>>>>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>>>>
>>>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>>>>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or
>>>>> a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>>>
>>>> I have never net a non stick coating yet that
>>>> (a) didn't stick
>>>> (b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
>>>> Most last way less.
>>>>
>>>> I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks you
>>>> can scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.
>>>
>>> You are confusing BREAD MAKERS with frypans
>>
>> I am not. I also use raw steel baking trays, or porcelain
>>
>> Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted
>
> I find sheet steel rusts, and this rust is bit of an inconvenience.

And stainless is dirt cheap now.

[Rod Speed]

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote

Makes more sense to get another for peanuts from a charity shop.

[Rod Speed]

Fredxx <fre...@nospam.invalid> wrote

None of mine have in years. The Brevilles used to consume the paddle drive
bearing when I used the ingredient sequence in the manual, water first, but
don’t anymore now that I add the breadmix first and the water last so that
the water doesn’t get into the paddle drive bearing.

And a bread maker is a hell of a lot less work than a mixer and bread tins.

In spades with the cleanup, none required at all with the bread maker.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 09/12/2021 19:11, John Brown wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> John Brown wrote
>>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>>>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working
>>>>> fine, except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit
>>>>> worn.
>>>>>
>>>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an
>>>>> old machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please?
>>>>> Or a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>>>
>>>> I have never net a non stick coating yet that
>>>> (a) didn't stick
>>>> (b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
>>>> Most last way less.
>>>>
>>>> I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks
>>>> you can scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.
>>>
>>> You are confusing BREAD MAKERS with frypans
>>
>> I am not.
>
> Yes you are.
>
>> I also use raw steel baking trays, or porcelain
>
> But there are no cast iron bread maker tins.

Guess why I dont have a bread maker?

>
>> Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted
>
> You clearly haven't used a bread maker. I have never
> had the non stick in the Breville bread makers ever
> fail and I use mine every 4 days for many years now.

Since every other post you have made has been an untruth, I am not
really going to believe that.

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[Andrew]

On 09/12/2021 17:19, GB wrote:

There was a review of three makes of bread maker, one being the panny
on C5 The Gadget Show about 2 weeks ago. Might still be on their
catchup system.

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[John Brown]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> John Brown wrote
>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>> John Brown wrote
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>>> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>>>>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>>>>>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>>>>>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or
>>>>>> a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have never net a non stick coating yet that
>>>>> (a) didn't stick
>>>>> (b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
>>>>> Most last way less.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks you
>>>>> can scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.
>>>>
>>>> You are confusing BREAD MAKERS with frypans
>>>
>>> I am not.
>>
>> Yes you are.
>>
>>> I also use raw steel baking trays, or porcelain
>>
>> But there are no cast iron bread maker tins.

> Guess why I dont have a bread maker?

I know why. You are mindlessly prejudiced about non stick
stuff and haven't even noticed that it works fine in bread
makers because they work very differently to frypans etc.

>>> Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted
>>
>> You clearly haven't used a bread maker. I have never
>> had the non stick in the Breville bread makers ever
>> fail and I use mine every 4 days for many years now.
>
> Since every other post you have made has been an untruth,

More of your bare faced lies and childish attempt at insults.

> I am not really going to believe that.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and
utterly irrelevant. What you may or may not believe in spades.

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[Fredxx]

Too tight?

>>
>>> Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted
>>
>> You clearly haven't used a bread maker. I have never
>> had the non stick in the Breville bread makers ever
>> fail and I use mine every 4 days for many years now.
>
> Since every other post you have made has been an untruth, I am not
> really going to believe that.

Most of my breadmakers have failed due to electronics or the bearing on
the tin. I don't recall the non-stick lining failing.

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[Thomas Prufer]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 14:30:36 +0000, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

>Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?

Recoating company, in Germany:

http://pfannenbeschichtung.de/

If the pan is similar to a "large (28cm) rice pot", it would cost 30€ plus about
6,90€ shipping.


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[Rod Speed]

Thomas Prufer <prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote

> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.invalid> wrote

>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please?
>> Or a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?

> Recoating company, in Germany:

> http://pfannenbeschichtung.de/

> If the pan is similar to a "large (28cm) rice pot",
> it would cost 30€ plus about 6,90€ shipping.

Makes more sense to buy another copy of the same
bread maker at a charity shop for only 10 pounds

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[Chris J Dixon]

Fredxx wrote:

>Most of my breadmakers have failed due to electronics or the bearing on
>the tin. I don't recall the non-stick lining failing.

The lining failure may depend upon if, and how often, you add
seeds to your mix, which can be pretty abrasive.

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[John Brown]

Chris J Dixon <ch...@cdixon.me.uk> wrote

> Fredxx wrote
>
>>Most of my breadmakers have failed due to electronics or the bearing on
>>the tin. I don't recall the non-stick lining failing.
>
> The lining failure may depend upon if, and how often, you add
> seeds to your mix, which can be pretty abrasive.

I have always used multigrain bread mix because
that is what I prefer and none of the Breville cans
have had the non stick coating fail in decades.

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[Robert]

I price working breadmakers for a lot more in the charity shop where I
volunteer - follow eBay pricing !
Picking up a spare tin or non-working unit from eBay or Freegle is the
best way forward

[Martin Brown]

On 09/12/2021 20:15, Fredxx wrote:
> On 09/12/2021 19:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/12/2021 19:11, John Brown wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>

>>>> Nothing I have ever both with non stick has ever lasted

You must be doing something wrong then. It lasts very well indeed until
you put the first scratch into it or get it very very hot.

I cant see a breadmaker even getting close to those temperatures - I
have seen someone do it to a frying pan they forgot was on the stove.

>>> You clearly haven't used a bread maker. I have never
>>> had the non stick in the Breville bread makers ever
>>> fail and I use mine every 4 days for many years now.
>>
>> Since every other post you have made has been an untruth, I am not
>> really going to believe that.
>
> Most of my breadmakers have failed due to electronics or the bearing on
> the tin. I don't recall the non-stick lining failing.

We had a Panasonic one from when it first came out. It blew its motor
start capacitor once and the impeller eventually became too loose to
work without a brass shim inside. Then eventually the bearing went. It
lasted nearly two decades. Its replacement is still in regular use.

In neither case has the non stick coating of the bread container shown
any signs of damage. The nonstick coating wore off the impeller after a
few years which means that sometimes it wants to stay in the loaf.

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[Andrew]

Indeed. The days when astonishing bargains could be found in
charity shops (many people make a(n ebay) living out of stuff
they get in charity shops) are a lot thinner now that shop
staff look at what a similar product sold for on fleabay.

Nowadays its only the occasional book or bit of jewellry or
pottery that slips through unnoticed by staff.

[GB]

On 10/12/2021 11:35, Martin Brown wrote:

> In neither case has the non stick coating of the bread container shown
> any signs of damage. The nonstick coating wore off the impeller after a
> few years which means that sometimes it wants to stay in the loaf.
>

It may depend on what flour you use. I mostly make wholemeal bread, plus
some granary. I imagine that anybody making mainly white bread would see
the coatings last longer?

[Max Demian]

On 09/12/2021 17:19, GB wrote:

> On 09/12/2021 17:12, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>>
>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>

>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or
>>> a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>

>> Can't you just paint the pan with oil with a pastry brush?

> No, that doesn't work unfortunately, as the dough is mixed in the pan.
> Then kneaded, etc. By the time that's done, any oil on the pan would be
> scraped off by the dough.

I kind of thought that might be the case. I've never used one; I knead
the dough by hand.

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[Andrew]

In medievil days peoples teeth wore out because flour was laced
with abrasive stone dust mixed in with the flour from the way the
grain was ground.

Even today, setting the milling gap between the stones is a precise
art. Get it wrong and the stones are damaged and the flour presumably
not fit for human consumption.

[Robert]

Exactly, the charity want to get the full market price for its donations
( the donors expect it ).
I'm always surprised at some of the niche tech stuff "my" charity shop
manages to sell on the shopfloor . If it doesnt sell quickly it goes on
eBay whose charges are very low for charities.
But just general advice - check that the item has been functionally
tested ( that is was take the expertise and time) rather than just a PAT
test.

[Rod Speed]

Robert <rob...@invalid.invalid> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote
>> Thomas Prufer <prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote
>>> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.invalid> wrote

>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please?
>>>> Or a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?

>>> Recoating company, in Germany:

>>> http://pfannenbeschichtung.de/

>>> If the pan is similar to a "large (28cm) rice pot",
>>> it would cost 30€ plus about 6,90€ shipping.

>> Makes more sense to buy another copy of the same
>> bread maker at a charity shop for only 10 pounds

> I price working breadmakers for a lot more in the charity shop where I
> volunteer - follow eBay pricing !

But most charity shops don’t, essentially because bread
machines are so common that they are quite slow movers.

> Picking up a spare tin or non-working unit from eBay or Freegle is the
> best way forward

Nope, because of the price there.

[John Brown]

Martin Brown <new...@nonad.co.uk> wrote

The Breville impellers used to do that but they upgraded
the process and it doesn’t happen anymore. Never had any
failures in the Brevilles other than the bread tin bearing
either and even that doesn’t happen anymore now that
I put the water in last.

[RJH]

IME, depends where you live. The big charities can circulate stuff, target
socio-economic groups, and price accordingly. But if they don't, or it's a
one-off shop, things like bread makers go for very little.

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[Rod Speed]

Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote
> GB wrote
>> Max Demian wrote

>>> GB wrote

>>>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>>>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>>>
>>>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>>>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>>>> sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>
>>> Can't you just paint the pan with oil with a pastry brush?
>
>> No, that doesn't work unfortunately, as the dough is mixed in the pan.
>> Then kneaded, etc. By the time that's done, any oil on the pan would be
>> scraped off by the dough.
>
> I kind of thought that might be the case. I've never used one; I knead the
> dough by hand.

Mad, its vastly more convenient to use a bread maker. No cleanup either.

[Robert]

Agree, best bet is the shops of small local charities ( if they sell
electrics - lots of shops dont because of lack of expertise and PAT
testing). Moving stock around between shops is generally not economic,
the major charity chain I volunteer at do not move stuff around!.
OT Just a plug but offering one's services to Charity shops to check and
price their tech donations is good fun let alone rewarding. Its kept me
sane since retiring.

[Rod Speed]

Robert <rob...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> Andrew wrote
>> Robert wrote

>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Thomas Prufer <prufer...@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote
>>>>> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.invalid> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please?
>>>>>> Or a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>>>
>>>>> Recoating company, in Germany:
>>>>
>>>>> http://pfannenbeschichtung.de/
>>>>
>>>>> If the pan is similar to a "large (28cm) rice pot",
>>>>> it would cost 30€ plus about 6,90€ shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Makes more sense to buy another copy of the same
>>>> bread maker at a charity shop for only 10 pounds
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I price working breadmakers for a lot more in the charity shop where I
>>> volunteer - follow eBay pricing !
>>> Picking up a spare tin or non-working unit from eBay or Freegle is the
>>> best way forward
>>
>> Indeed. The days when astonishing bargains could be found in
>> charity shops (many people make a(n ebay) living out of stuff
>> they get in charity shops) are a lot thinner now that shop
>> staff look at what a similar product sold for on fleabay.
>>
>> Nowadays its only the occasional book or bit of jewellry or
>> pottery that slips through unnoticed by staff.

> Exactly, the charity want to get the full market price for its donations

But the ones with a clue realise that they don’t have the space
for all the very slow moving stuff so price that stuff more sensibly.

One of ours just had a garage sale.

> ( the donors expect it ).

Most of the stuff ours get is what didn’t sell in donor's
garage sale so gets dumped at the charity shop.

> I'm always surprised at some of the niche tech stuff "my" charity shop
> manages to sell on the shopfloor . If it doesnt sell quickly it goes on
> eBay whose charges are very low for charities.

> But just general advice - check that the item has been functionally tested
> ( that is was take the expertise and time) rather than just a PAT test.

Ours allow you to return stuff that doesn’t work properly.

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[Andrew]

How do you 'functionally test' a 40+ YO amplifier, FM tuner and CD
player though ?. This takes time and knowledge of that particular
combination. Anyone who sticks a 'PAT tested' sticker on a
loudspeaker, probably doesn't really know what to do.

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

I'd be a bit worried of particles of whatever the coating was in the food
though. I've never heard of a recoating. You need to find out what it was
and see if there is a local company doing a remove and recoating service,
but on a one off, my guesses that would serious money. Now if you running a
domestic appliance museum then it might be worth it.
Having said that if its still cheaper than a new one, then it might be
worth it I suppose.
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> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>
>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>

>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>> sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>

> Can't you just paint the pan with oil with a pastry brush?
>

> --
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[GB]

On 11/12/2021 08:40, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> I'd be a bit worried of particles of whatever the coating was in the food
> though. I've never heard of a recoating. You need to find out what it was
> and see if there is a local company doing a remove and recoating service,
> but on a one off, my guesses that would serious money. Now if you running a
> domestic appliance museum then it might be worth it.
> Having said that if its still cheaper than a new one, then it might be
> worth it I suppose.
> Brian
>

The trouble is partly that I paid around £60 for the whole machine, so
£55 for a new bread pan just seems like a piss-take really. The price of
the machines went up during the pandemic lockdown, and they haven't
really come down much. I guess the importers and retailers got used to
the nice big profit margins.

[Murmansk]

Just set up a search on Ebay for the same model and get it to tell you when one comes up, it'll probably go for £10 plus postage and come with a pan you can use.

[R Souls]

On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 14:30:36 +0000, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.invalid>

wrote:

>I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>
>A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>
>Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?

Our Panasonic has the same problem. Half the PTFE coating has gone
from the bottom of the pan. It doesn't seem to matter though, the
bread comes out the same as it always did, so I wouldn't bother
replacing it.

This is our 4th breadmaker. It's about 2 years old and hasn't been
particularly good, although each of the others diddn't last more than
about 4 years. The Panasonic's ingredients dispenser failed after
about a year, then the PTFE began to peel off and now one of the
plastic dogs on the paddle drive has snapped off. I don't expect it to
last much longer.

It's been the least reliable and we won't be buying another Panasonic.

[Robert]

Not difficult, takes a bit of time and expertise. But I am sure most of
us on this group have years of generic skills and experience unlike some
of the younger generation who require a course and certificate before
switching anything on !
Google is also your friend and I am now happy testing Games consoles,
ipods and exotic sound processors !
But in practice not many Charity shops sell electricals more complicated
than lamps because of the lack of volunteers with suitable experience.

[Adrian Caspersz]

On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>
> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>

> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
> sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>

They coat high temperature car exhaust systems with a ceramic coating, I
don't know the non-stickiness of that.

PTFE / PFOA rings toxicity alarm bells if you google about.

(Well, so does water....)

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[Cursitor Doom]

On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>
> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>
> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
> sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>

I wouldn't get a new Panasonic bread maker. They're shite. Plenty of
better makes out there. Panasonic make very decent audio gear, but have
lost the plot in other areas.

[charles]

In article <spaogu$7u7$1...@dont-email.me>,

Our Panasonic Bread Maker, bought just before Covid locked everything up,
has been making bread every 4 or 5 days since then. No problems whatsoever.

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[Rod Speed]

charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> wrote
> Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote

>> GB wrote

>> > I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>> > except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>> >
>> > A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>> > machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or a
>> > sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>> >
>
>> I wouldn't get a new Panasonic bread maker. They're shite. Plenty of
>> better makes out there. Panasonic make very decent audio gear, but have
>> lost the plot in other areas.
>
> Our Panasonic Bread Maker, bought just before Covid locked everything up,
> has been making bread every 4 or 5 days since then. No problems
> whatsoever.

That's not long for a bread maker.

None of my Brevilles have ever had any coating wear off or any
electronics dying either and that's over more than a decade now.

Did have some paddle bearing failures when I used the manufacturer's
instructions to put the water in first, but don't anymore now that I put
the water in last. And I also do a loaf every 4 days, always.

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[rick]

On 09/12/2021 15:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/12/2021 14:30, GB wrote:
>> I have a ten year old Panasonic bread maker. It's still working fine,
>> except that the non-stick coating on the bread pan is a bit worn.
>>
>> A replacement bread pan costs £55, which is a lot to spend on an old
>> machine. I can buy a replacement for under £100, most likely.
>>
>> Does anyone know whether the existing pan can be recoated, please? Or
>> a sensible alternative to paying silly money for an OEM part?
>>

> I have never net a non stick coating yet that
> (a) didn't stick
> (b) lasted more than 30 heat cycles.
> Most last way less.
>
> I am now 100% cast iron wherever possible, because when it sticks you
> can scrub bit clean, add some oil and its good to go.
>



Non-stick on breadmaker is fine, mine is over 10 yrs old and still as new.

The issue with Non-Stick normally is that it is in pots and pans and its
gets scratched by kitchen tools ..... that is why it fails.

[Chris J Dixon]

rick wrote:

>The issue with Non-Stick normally is that it is in pots and pans and its
>gets scratched by kitchen tools ..... that is why it fails.

It always surprises me that on TV cookery programmes, the
professionals routinely use metal implements on what appears to
be non-stick cookware.

I guess they just don't bother about the cost of replacement.

Chris
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