Part P exam questions on line
ARWadsworth
out there who will enjoy them.
http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-3.htm
http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-5.htm
taken from
http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/index.htm
Adam
ARWadsworth
cynic
wrote:
> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some people
> out there who will enjoy them.
>
Only one comment Adam - c&g 2381 is not the part p exam but 16th
edition of the wiring regs.
The part p exam is actually a building regulations multi-guess on-line
test. Not sure without looking it up what the number is for that but
its EAL equivalent is a twenty question test with a 70% or 14 mark
pass/ fail cut-off
Tim Southerwood
Hi Adam,
What the pass mark?
Cheers
Tim
Dave Liquorice
> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some
> people out there who will enjoy them.
What is the pass mark?
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Dave Liquorice
> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
Q.40 Cable couplers should be arranged so that the plug of the coupler is
connected to
1. a circuit protected by a fuse
2. the load site of the circuit
3. a circuit having a circuit protective conductor
4. the supply side of the circuit.
It says that 4 is the correct answer.
Now a plug to me is a male connector. You always refer to the mating
parts, not bits of the connector body when determing the sex of a
connector. Male conectors have pins, which stick out, like those of a 13A
*PLUG*.
No way should that be connected to "the supply side of the circuit".
John Rumm
I take it these are "open book" tests?
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The Natural Philosopher
I don't understand what they mean by 'connected' either.
Do they mean 'wired to' or 'plugged into'
Ny its very nature a plug in service is connected to upstream and
downstream parts of the circuit.
So my answer in the old pre multiple choice days, would have been to say
'all four, if its to be useful, and safe, depending on the interpreation
of 'connected''
1. Everything should be connected to a circuit protected by a fuse, if
its connected to anything, and needs to work in safety
2. A plug is generally wired to the load side of a circuit, if
wired=='connected'
3. I have no idea what a protective conductor is, but if he means an
earth wire, then in general a mains plug should only be connected to one
of those, yes.
4. Obviously if an appliance with a plug is to do anything useful it has
to be plugged into (connected to) a supply.
Are you sure the question does not have a 'not' in there..
The Natural Philosopher
> ARWadsworth wrote:
>> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some
>> people out there who will enjoy them.
>>
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-3.htm
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-5.htm
>>
>> taken from
>>
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/index.htm
>
> I take it these are "open book" tests?
>
They are rote learning tests.
I saw no evidence of any fundamental understanding of electricity or
safety issues pertaining to it in any of the questions I tried.
I mean, does it help knowing the BS**%^&"£=78 is the standard applied to
Caravan parks, and not public urinals??
Ye gods.
Tim Southerwood
> John Rumm wrote:
>> ARWadsworth wrote:
>>> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some
>>> people out there who will enjoy them.
>>>
>>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
>>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-3.htm
>>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
>>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-5.htm
>>>
>>> taken from
>>>
>>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/index.htm
>>
>> I take it these are "open book" tests?
>>
>
> They are rote learning tests.
> I saw no evidence of any fundamental understanding of electricity or
> safety issues pertaining to it in any of the questions I tried.
>
> I mean, does it help knowing the BS**%^&"Ł=78 is the standard applied to
> Caravan parks, and not public urinals??
>
>
> Ye gods.
Reminded me of my PAT tester's C&G - open book and 30% random terminology.
dennis@home
"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.
Tim Southerwood
> Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.
So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?
Cheers
Tim
The Natural Philosopher
I managed about 73% just by guessing..
> Cheers
>
> Tim
dennis@home
"Tim Southerwood" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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> dennis@home wrote:
>
>
>> Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.
>
> So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?
No I don't but I got more than that and I doubt if anything aimed at
electricians requires more.
While they are skilled they are not expected to be rocket scientists which
is why the "regs" tell them how to do things.
If they come across something unusual they either ask someone else or bodge
it. I prefer to think its the former but I do have enough knowledge to check
most of if I need to.
manat...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some people
> out there who will enjoy them.
>
Fcuk me! If that's all that's required, no wonder they need a medieval
guild to protect themselves.
MBQ
Tim Southerwood
Exactly my score too, without reference to anything. Which is worrying if
that were a pass. Don't know about you, but I'm happy enough with domestic
electrics in my own house. But there is no way I should be let loose on a
farm or in a factory.
I don't think the sample paper I tried covered nearly enough material and a
1 of 4 answer system encourages educated guesswork. I have a passing
familiarity with the 16th Edition, but at no time have I ever made a
concerted effort to read the whole book, let alone wot for an exam.
Cheers
Tim
The Natural Philosopher
Indeed. My impression was that the examination was a question of reading
and memorising the regulations. Understanding them was not actually
required.
> Cheers
>
> Tim
>
>
Tim Southerwood
> On 2007-07-13, Tim Southerwood <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
>
>> But there is no way I should be let loose on a
>> farm or in a factory.
>
> I wouldn't worry about farms. IME, farmers pay no more attention to
> the wiring regs than they do to any other laws, IOW none.
>
>
LoL :)
Doesn't seem to stop the Department for the Eradication of Farming and Rural
Affairs from trying though.
Tim Southerwood
I was more impressed by the 2391 exam, not that I got beyond reading the
first page. At least it started with some open answers, which are a lot
more difficult if you haven't a clue. Which I hadn't so I gave up, which is
how it should be.
'course, doesn't lend itself to "cost efficient" automatic grading... Funny
how saving money these days always seems to cost more in intangible ways
down the line...
The 2381 was very similar to my PAT exam (2377-002) which was totally multi
guess AND open book. Got one wrong (which pissed me off because I cannot
for the life of me work out which one).
The course was worth it though (IET in London) as the combination of the two
old boys, one former sparks and the other an Engineer did make the course
very informative. Mind you, even there, the "practical exam" was a bit half
arsed. The sparks was a very practical sort of bloke with a wealth of
useful tips (reminded me of Fred Dibnah) and the Engineer filled in with
some excellent explanations of why things were written the way they were.
Tim
tony sayer
<Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> writes
>> farm or in a factory.
>
>the wiring regs than they do to any other laws, IOW none.
>
>
Ever read the farmers " 'ealth and safety" manual?..
"101 things you can repair or bodge up at harvest time with a length of
baling twine"
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Tony Sayer
ARWadsworth
"Andrew Gabriel" <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <lculi.22647$p8....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some people
>> out there who will enjoy them.
>>
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
>
> first question correctly before answering;-) and if I had a
> copy of the regs to hand (did it all from memory as it wasn't
> clear if this is an open book exam or not).
>
> One comment I would make is that a significant number of the
> questions do not apply to Part P work.
>
> Question 12 seems bogus to me too.
>
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-3.htm
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-5.htm
>>
>> taken from
>>
>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/index.htm
>
> Andrew Gabriel
To be fair I posted this link without looking too much at the main website
before going to the girlfriends for the night. I have not tried doing a full
exam on it yet.
It looks like the <http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2391.htm>
part of the site should be more fun but it also appears that the site is
incomplete and they are looking for answers for many of the exams. See
<http://www.part-p.org.uk/index.htm> at the very bottom of the page.
Someone used to post on this uk.d-i-y with his own similar web page on 2391
questions and answers a few years ago. I am not suggesting that they are the
same person but more likely the new link is an idea of a previous poster.
Christian McArdle rings a bell in my mind for the first (very enjoyable) Q&A
site. I might be wrong.
Adam
fred
ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>
>Someone used to post on this uk.d-i-y with his own similar web page on 2391
>questions and answers a few years ago. I am not suggesting that they are the
>same person but more likely the new link is an idea of a previous poster.
>Christian McArdle rings a bell in my mind for the first (very enjoyable) Q&A
>site. I might be wrong.
>
branded?
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fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla
Andrew Gabriel
"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some people
> out there who will enjoy them.
>
> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
I did this one. Wasn't sure if it was open book or not when I
started, so I assumed not. I got 95%. Would have done a bit
better if I'd read the first question correctly before trying
to answer;-). Also realised part way through it must be open book,
but I didn't have book to hand so I had to guess on the external
influence category questions as I don't know those off the top of
my head.
Was very dubious of question 12, and a few others somewhat
suspect too.
Also, most of these questions are well outside the scope of
anything related to Part P work (or any domestic work at all).
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Andrew Gabriel
The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> writes:
>
> I managed about 73% just by guessing..
When I did my C&G 16th edition, there were several practicing
electricians on the course who would have got better scores
than they did just by picking answers at random.
Quite frightening really.
John Stumbles
> Someone used to post on this uk.d-i-y with his own similar web page on
> 2391 questions and answers a few years ago.
2381
> I am not suggesting that they are
> the same person but more likely the new link is an idea of a previous
> poster. Christian McArdle rings a bell in my mind for the first (very
> enjoyable) Q&A site. I might be wrong.
It was Martin Angove (who, AFAIK, is not a nym for C McA (or vice versa)).
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Ed Sirett
Given that some of these questions involve choosing precise data values
from tables these assessments are open book.
Therefore reading (and a broad familiarity of the regs) are the only
skills required. Understanding the regs will greatly hinder your
performance.
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John Rumm
> Someone used to post on this uk.d-i-y with his own similar web page on
> 2391 questions and answers a few years ago. I am not suggesting that
> they are the same person but more likely the new link is an idea of a
> previous poster. Christian McArdle rings a bell in my mind for the first
> (very enjoyable) Q&A site. I might be wrong.
Here is a list of some that I culled from the group a few years ago:
1. A single-phase circuit is to be wired in 70°C PVC-insulated and
sheathed multicore cable to BS6004 with copper conductors. The cables
are to be installed single in conduit without insulation. The nominal
design current of the circuit is 30A, ambient temperature is 50°C. If a
BS88 gG fuse of rating 32A has been selected, determine the minimum
cross sectional area of these cables that can be used.
2. A single-phase circuit has a nominal design current of 17A and a
BS3036 semi-enclosed rewireable fuse of 20A rating has been selected.
Ambient temperature is 45°C and the cable is installed with 4 similar
cables all clipped direct. BS6004 70°C PVC-insulated and sheathed
multicore cables are employed. Determine the minimum cross sectional
area of the cable to be used.
3. Six similar single-phase circuits, each designed for 8A and protected
by a 10A miniature circuit breaker are wired in BS6004 70 °C
PVC-insulated and sheathed copper multicore cable. The cables operate at
an ambient temperature of 45°C and are totally enclosed in thermal
insulation with a derating factor of 0.5. Determine an appropriate cross
sectional area for the conductor.
4. A single-phase a.c. circuit is wired in single core 70°C
PVC-insulated non-sheathed cable to BS6004 having copper conductors of
10mm2 cross sectional area in conduit (CR1). If the nominal design
current is 40A and cable length 33m what voltage drop is experienced
down the cable?
5. A 240V single-phase a.c. circuit is wired in multicore 70°C
PVC-insulated and sheathed cable to BS6004 with copper conductors. The
circuit length is 20m with a design current of 25A. The cross sectional
area of the cable is 6mm2. The circuit is taken from a distribution
board supplied with 240V single-phase cable, again to BS6004 with cross
sectional area 25mm2 and design current 100A over length 30m. All cables
are clipped direct. Determine the voltage at the point of utilisation.
6. Eight similar single-phase circuits are grouped together,
clipped-direct, each having a nominal design current of 24A and
protected by a 30A BS3036 semi-enclosed, rewireable fuse. The circuits
are run in 70°C PVC-insulated multicore, sheathed cables to BS6004. If
ambient temperature is 30°C and the cable run is 70m what is the minimum
cross sectional area that can be used and what is the voltage drop?
7. A single-phase circuit is run in single core 70°C PVC-insulated and
sheathed cable clipped-direct and not bundled with other circuits. The
conductors are copper with a cross sectional area for the line conductor
of 4mm2 and protective conductor of 2.5mm2. The length of the cable run
is 45m and Ze=0.35W. Assuming an earth fault at the load with a loop
impedance for the cable of 16mW/m calculate the earth fault loop
impedance and the fault current that would flow with a 240V supply.
8. In an installation which is part of a TN-C-S system a final circuit
is fed from a sub-distribution board. The distribution circuit from the
main board to the sub-distribution board is run in single-core 70°C
PVC-insulated cables having copper conductors. The live conductors being
25mm2 and protective conductor 16mm2 and a loop impedance of 2.59mW/m.
the distance between the distribution boards is 27m. The final circuit
is run in 6mm2 twin conductor with CPC with a loop impedance of 14.48
mW/m and length 22m. If Ze= 0.35W calculate the earth fault loop
impedance, a) at the sub-distribution board, b) at the final circuit board.
9. A 240V single-phase circuit is run in BS6004 multicore cable with
main conductors of 16mm2 and protective conductor of 6mm2 and loop
impedance of 5.84 mW/m. the cable has a length of 40m, operates in an
ambient temperature of 30°C and has Ze=0.35W. Use the adiabatic equation
with K=115 to calculate the maximum disconnection time allowable for a
protective fuse.
10. A 240V single-phase circuit is run in 6mm2 two core with a 2.5mm2
CPC for a length of 35m. The cable has an earth loop impedance of 14.48
mW/m and Ze=0.35W. The circuit is protected by a 40A MCB (type B) which
offers a disconnection time of 0.1s. Check that the adiabatic equation
condition is satisfied if K=115.
John Rumm
Don't know, he vanished from all groups at the end of last year without
any warning. I did email him to enquire what had happened, but never got
a reply.
Lurch
<see.my.s...@nowhere.null> mused:
>fred wrote:
>> In article <5LOli.23133$p8....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
>> ARWadsworth <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>> Someone used to post on this uk.d-i-y with his own similar web page on 2391
>>> questions and answers a few years ago. I am not suggesting that they are the
>>> same person but more likely the new link is an idea of a previous poster.
>>> Christian McArdle rings a bell in my mind for the first (very enjoyable) Q&A
>>> site. I might be wrong.
>>>
>> Hadn't seen that site but had wondered where he had gone, has he re-
>> branded?
>
>Don't know, he vanished from all groups at the end of last year without
>any warning. I did email him to enquire what had happened, but never got
>a reply.
No-one ever emails me when I dissapear. :(
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John Rumm
> No-one ever emails me when I dissapear. :(
Go on then sod-off and we will see! ;-)
Owain
> When I did my C&G 16th edition, there were several practicing
> electricians on the course who would have got better scores
> than they did just by picking answers at random.
> Quite frightening really.
One place I was working, I had to show the electricians how to wire up a
doorbell.
Owain
John Stumbles
> Don't know, he vanished from all groups at the end of last year without
> any warning. I did email him to enquire what had happened, but never got
> a reply.
Haven't seen him but ex-neighbours say he's still kicking. Guess serial
parenthood's caught up with him :-)
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Seagull Management
Management technique characterised by flying in, making a lot of noise,
crapping on everything, and then leaving.
dennis@home
"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> ARWadsworth wrote:
>
>> Someone used to post on this uk.d-i-y with his own similar web page on
>> 2391 questions and answers a few years ago. I am not suggesting that they
>> are the same person but more likely the new link is an idea of a previous
>> poster. Christian McArdle rings a bell in my mind for the first (very
>> enjoyable) Q&A site. I might be wrong.
>
> Here is a list of some that I culled from the group a few years ago:
>
> 1. A single-phase circuit is to be wired in 70°C PVC-insulated and
> sheathed multicore cable to BS6004 with copper conductors. The cables are
> to be installed single in conduit without insulation. The nominal design
> current of the circuit is 30A, ambient temperature is 50°C. If a BS88 gG
> fuse of rating 32A has been selected, determine the minimum cross
> sectional area of these cables that can be used.
I would buy some better cable, PVC doesn't really like being that hot for
years at a time.
And how much margin do you apply for global warming?