RAID - (Flyspray) question...

[Jake]

One of my idiot housemates has just completely nuked our shared kitchen with
RAID Fly and Wasp Killer because there were a few (<5) flies in there. The
reason there are flies are because he is a total slob and leaves plates
unwashed for several days before he runs out of clean dishes and is forced
to wash everything up.

Anyway, my question is, how safe is this? It will have gone all over my
cups, plates saucepans and food that I have stored on open shelves and
cereal boxes on the worktops that are too large (tall) to fit in the
cupboards, and all over my fruit that sits in a bowl in my space on the
worktop. Other food such as bread that I have in a closed packet will be
unaffected, but it will be all over the outside of the packet which I will
be touching to get the bread out.

It says it's supposed to be used in kitchens, as he is using as the basis of
his arguments, but it also says that it's supposed to be kept away from
utensils, food and food contact surfaces, which is a bit of a confusing
oxymoron as that's exactly what you will find in a kitchen!

[Artic]

Jake scribbled...

Wots it say on the can ?

Remind the slob what has just happened in India with them poor kids
being fed insectiside. Get the lazy fucker to clean up then tell him to
piss off.

[news]

Well according to my can, in summary
1) Cleared for use in kitchens
2) Spray only into the air
3) Keep spray 1 meter from all surfaces and walls.

I would say those are pretty easy to comply with even in the smallest
kitchen and provided they have been, you shouldn't have anything to
worry about.

I use mine in the kitchen and have come to no obvious harm yet.



--
Chris

[Brian Gaff]

Designate him as your food taster.
Brian

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[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <2uCdnbOym7G_eHTM...@giganews.com>,

I would chuck out the food, and the housemate, and clean all
the work surfaces and food preparation/serving items. This may
be OTT, but I would never dream of using any insecticide in
such a fashion, regardless how safe it says it is on the tin.

I have several different carnivorous plants on the kitchen
windowsill, which besides being interesting and often the
subject of conversations by visitors, serve to keep the
room insect free. (However, I doubt they would keep the room
clear of flies in the face of old food left laying around,
although they'd love the extra feeding opportunity.)

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[Mike Barnes]

Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk>:

>In article <2uCdnbOym7G_eHTM...@giganews.com>,
> "Jake" <ja...@jakesplaice.com> writes:
>> One of my idiot housemates has just completely nuked our shared kitchen with
>> RAID Fly and Wasp Killer because there were a few (<5) flies in there. The
>> reason there are flies are because he is a total slob and leaves plates
>> unwashed for several days before he runs out of clean dishes and is forced
>> to wash everything up.
>>
>> Anyway, my question is, how safe is this? It will have gone all over my
>> cups, plates saucepans and food that I have stored on open shelves and
>> cereal boxes on the worktops that are too large (tall) to fit in the
>> cupboards, and all over my fruit that sits in a bowl in my space on the
>> worktop. Other food such as bread that I have in a closed packet will be
>> unaffected, but it will be all over the outside of the packet which I will
>> be touching to get the bread out.
>>
>> It says it's supposed to be used in kitchens, as he is using as the basis of
>> his arguments, but it also says that it's supposed to be kept away from
>> utensils, food and food contact surfaces, which is a bit of a confusing
>> oxymoron as that's exactly what you will find in a kitchen!
>
>I would chuck out the food, and the housemate, and clean all
>the work surfaces and food preparation/serving items. This may
>be OTT, but I would never dream of using any insecticide in
>such a fashion, regardless how safe it says it is on the tin.

My absolute favourite, best ever, fly killer is this:

http://tinyurl.com/n3k39mw

Completely safe and 100% effective. Not only that but flies love it
(apparently).

--
Mike Barnes

[Mentalguy2k8]

"Jake" <ja...@jakesplaice.com> wrote in message
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Get rid of the housemate and keep the flies.

Personally, I'd (force him to) rinse all the crockery, pans and cutlery,
wipe the surfaces and chuck any open food, or let him eat it. If you're
worried, then just chuck the fruit and bread and tell him to replace it.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:17:08 +0100, Jake wrote:

> One of my idiot housemates has just completely nuked our shared kitchen

> with RAID Fly and Wasp Killer ...

Define "nuked". Just a couple of short squirts into the air in the
middle of the room or long continuous blasts waving around all over
the place, possibly attempting to hit the flies directly?

The former is all you need and is "safe", the latter just pushes up
the shareholders dividends and I'd not be happy about that use
either.

If the latter get him to wash everything down that may have had the
fall out land on it. So all the crockery, pans, all the surfaces etc.
The fruit, wash and peel before eating. You should be washing it
anyway if you are going to consume the skin like an apple for
instance.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Nightjar]

On 20/07/2013 02:17, Jake wrote:

The pyrethoids in it are considered harmless to humans in the
concentrations used in domestic insecticides, although some particularly
sensitive individuals may suffer skin or eye irritation. They will break
down naturally in a day or two.

Colin Bignell

[Adrian C]

On 20/07/2013 02:17, Jake wrote:

> One of my idiot housemates has just completely nuked our shared kitchen with
> RAID Fly and Wasp Killer because there were a few (<5) flies in there. The
> reason there are flies are because he is a total slob and leaves plates
> unwashed for several days before he runs out of clean dishes and is forced
> to wash everything up.
>

<not serious>
Perfect a crime, poison him with the rest of the contents of the can.
Cops won't be able to reason whether the poisoning was self inflicted or
not, when they get to remove his remains. Or, you could hide the remains
- shouldn't be a problem with flies...
</not serious>

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[Dave Liquorice]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 11:46:49 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

> The pyrethoids in it are considered harmless to humans in the
> concentrations used in domestic insecticides, although some particularly
> sensitive individuals may suffer skin or eye irritation. They will break
> down naturally in a day or two.

Wondered how long a "day or two" was so looked at our *ancient* cans
of fly killer both contain tetramthrin:

http://toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Tetramethrin

Half life in air 3 hours (30 mins in soil!) so in air virtually gone
in 30 hours.

Be worth the OP checking the active ingredient(s) of his Raid and
having a google. Tetramethrin is *very* nasty stuff if you are an
insect or aquatic invertibrate but mamals don't appear to be
seriously affected.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Phil L]

I use Raid every day in my kitchen, living room and hallway and it's never
bothered me.
I'd be more worried about the bacteria the flies are bringing in, especially
when you realise that they've just climbed off a dog turd or a rotting
squirrel before making their way into your kitchen.

The warnings are there for idiots, 'keep away from cooking utensils and
food' means, 'don't spray a full can onto your pot noodle, and don't half
fill the frying pan with it before frying eggs otherwise you may feel
unwell'
It's like the, 'Warning - hot' on the side of a MacDonalds coffee cup, this
has to be there to prevent braindead knuckledragging fuckwits pouring a full
cup of near-boiling liquid down their throats, if there were no warnings,
people would be doing all of the above because the majority of them are as
intelligent as a bucket of cold shit.

[Arfa Daily]

"news" <ne...@news.salis2.co.uk> wrote in message
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+1.

I am a total fiend with the Blue Raid can. It is my ever-loving friend. I
cannot stand flies - even one, let alone five. If I have as many as three,
that represents a squadron that needs to be eliminated immediately. I use
mine in the same way as your friend - I nuke them until they just fall out
of the sky, and that includes in the kitchen. The can says that it is safe,
and I have always taken them at their word, and it doesn't seem to have done
me or my family any harm in the years that I've been doing it. Isn't it a
targeted nerve gas, anyway ? I've always assumed that the 'wet' bit is just
a carrier. I do, however, avoid spraying it near my goldfish, as it says
that it is harmful to marine life. And what's the new smell about ? I used
to like it when it smelt a bit more 'chemical' ... :-)

Arfa

[Arfa Daily]

"Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Absolutely. Nail. Head. Right on ...

> It's like the, 'Warning - hot' on the side of a MacDonalds coffee cup,
> this has to be there to prevent braindead knuckledragging fuckwits pouring
> a full cup of near-boiling liquid down their throats, if there were no
> warnings, people would be doing all of the above because the majority of
> them are as intelligent as a bucket of cold shit.

And again ... ! :-)

Arfa

[Mike Barnes]

Arfa Daily <arfa....@ntlworld.com>:

> I do, however, avoid spraying it near my goldfish, as it says that it
>is harmful to marine life.

You have sea-going goldfish?

Respect.

--
Mike Barnes

[Nightjar]

On 20/07/2013 12:56, Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 11:46:49 +0100, Nightjar wrote:
>
>> The pyrethoids in it are considered harmless to humans in the
>> concentrations used in domestic insecticides, although some particularly
>> sensitive individuals may suffer skin or eye irritation. They will break
>> down naturally in a day or two.
>
> Wondered how long a "day or two" was so looked at our *ancient* cans
> of fly killer both contain tetramthrin:
>
> http://toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Tetramethrin
>
> Half life in air 3 hours (30 mins in soil!) so in air virtually gone
> in 30 hours.
>
> Be worth the OP checking the active ingredient(s) of his Raid and
> having a google.

Tetramethrin and d-phenothrin. Similar substances but giving a wider
range of target species.

> Tetramethrin is *very* nasty stuff if you are an
> insect or aquatic invertibrate but mamals don't appear to be
> seriously affected.

The flies in my house seem to thrive on the stuff.

Colin Bignell

[The Medway Handyman]

On 20/07/2013 14:31, Phil L wrote:

> It's like the, 'Warning - hot' on the side of a MacDonalds coffee cup, this
> has to be there to prevent braindead knuckledragging fuckwits pouring a full
> cup of near-boiling liquid down their throats, if there were no warnings,
> people would be doing all of the above because the majority of them are as
> intelligent as a bucket of cold shit.
>
>

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Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants, also known as the McDonald's coffee
case and the hot coffee lawsuit, was a 1994 product liability lawsuit
that became a flashpoint in the debate in the United States over tort
reform. A New Mexico civil jury awarded $2.86 million to plaintiff
Stella Liebeck who had suffered third-degree burns in her pelvic region
when she accidentally spilled hot coffee in her lap after purchasing it
from a McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was hospitalized for eight days
while she underwent skin grafting, followed by two years of medical
treatment.

Liebeck's attorneys argued that at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C), McDonald's
coffee was defective, claiming it was too hot and more likely to cause
serious injury than coffee served at any other establishment. McDonald's
had refused several prior opportunities to settle for less than what the
jury ultimately awarded. The jury damages included $160,000[3] to cover
medical expenses and compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive
damages. The trial judge reduced the final verdict to $640,000, and the
parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided.

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--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[Arfa Daily]

"Mike Barnes" <mikeba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, OK. Point taken. Probably should have just said "aquatic life" :-)

It's been a hard week ...

Arfa

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:56:00 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa....@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>The can says that it is safe,
>and I have always taken them at their word, and it doesn't seem to have done
>me or my family any harm in the years that I've been doing it. Isn't it a
>targeted nerve gas, anyway ?

Bzzz bzzzz bzzzx bxxxx bxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxx xx ....

[Jim K]

shurely such warnings are to fend off parasitic legal twats attempting to cash in on US style compensation claims prompted by their plethoras of low-rent daytime TV advertising campaigns watched by poor people waiting for, cough, "heating engineers" to turn up?

(of course IANAL)

Jim K

[Gazz]

> Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants, also known as the McDonald's coffee
> case and the hot coffee lawsuit, was a 1994 product liability lawsuit that
> became a flashpoint in the debate in the United States over tort reform. A
> New Mexico civil jury awarded $2.86 million to plaintiff Stella Liebeck
> who had suffered third-degree burns in her pelvic region when she
> accidentally spilled hot coffee in her lap after purchasing it from a
> McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was hospitalized for eight days while she
> underwent skin grafting, followed by two years of medical treatment.
>

> Liebeck's attorneys argued that at 180�190 �F (82�88 �C), McDonald's

> coffee was defective, claiming it was too hot and more likely to cause
> serious injury than coffee served at any other establishment. McDonald's
> had refused several prior opportunities to settle for less than what the
> jury ultimately awarded. The jury damages included $160,000[3] to cover
> medical expenses and compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive
> damages. The trial judge reduced the final verdict to $640,000, and the
> parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided.

Surely coffee is made by pouring boiling water over the grounds? so i'd have
thought coffee made with cooler water would be classed as 'defective'

I wonder if she was a hooker would she have claimed for loss of earnings due
to scalding her pussy?

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <ksgl9n$s6s$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Gazz" <no...@m.ta> writes:
> Surely coffee is made by pouring boiling water over the grounds? so i'd have
> thought coffee made with cooler water would be classed as 'defective'

There's no such definition, but many people don't like the bitter
flavour coffee gives off with boiling water, and various machines
try to limit the temperature to no more than 95C, which is enough
to release the more characteristic coffee flavour to match the
aroma, without releasing the excess bitter flavour which is
released with boiling water.

Of course, the temperature it is served at doesn't have to be
related to the temperature at which it's made.

[Steve Firth]

Jake <ja...@jakesplaice.com> wrote:

> One of my idiot housemates has just completely nuked our shared kitchen with
> RAID Fly and Wasp Killer because there were a few (<5) flies in there. The
> reason there are flies are because he is a total slob and leaves plates
> unwashed for several days before he runs out of clean dishes and is forced
> to wash everything up.
>
> Anyway, my question is, how safe is this?

<Translation>

I don't like my housemate and I'm looking for a reason to chew him out.

Grow a set of balls, pal and either learn to live with others or become
a hermit. You're not going to die from the use of Raid in a kitchen, not
unless you have six legs and you vomit on your food before eating it.

--
Burn Hollywood burn, burn down to the ground

[Nightjar]

On 21/07/2013 13:54, Gazz wrote:
...
> Surely coffee is made by pouring boiling water over the grounds?...

Not if you want it to taste like coffee. The water should not be hotter
than 95C, or it makes the coffee bitter. However, that obviously is not
the optimum temperature to serve it at.

Colin BIgnell

[Dave Liquorice]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:31:20 +0100, Phil L wrote:

> I use Raid every day in my kitchen, living room and hallway and it's
> never bothered me.

Good grief! What on earth for? Are you a serial killer with 20
moldering bodies stashed about the house?

The last time I can remember using a fly spray must be oh gosh pre
1995 and that was to fumigate a loft that had developed a habit of
growing wasps nests. I went up one spring and found 3 or 4 little
nests (ping pong ball sized hanging on a short stem) that weren't
there a couple of months earlier. And yes one of the the "ancient
cans" I refered to earlier was probably the one I used...

We don't seem to suffer from flies but we do have a healthy spider
population. Seem to be quite a lot of pholcus phalangioides (Cellar
Spider) along with a number of ordinary house spiders. Of course
daily use of fly spray kills off the spiders as well as the flies...

> I'd be more worried about the bacteria the flies are bringing in,
> especially when you realise that they've just climbed off a dog turd or
> a rotting squirrel before making their way into your kitchen.

Meh. That's why you should wash and/or peel things and/or cook them
and why you have an immune system.

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:00:47 +0100, Mike Barnes
<mikeba...@gmail.com> wrote:

>My absolute favourite, best ever, fly killer is this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n3k39mw
>
>Completely safe and 100% effective. Not only that but flies love it
>(apparently).

Oh yus.
I give the spiders a special treat by introducing them to Mr Parkside
of the 1200W Clan.

[newshound]

On 20/07/2013 10:00, Mike Barnes wrote:
> Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk>:

> My absolute favourite, best ever, fly killer is this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n3k39mw
>
> Completely safe and 100% effective. Not only that but flies love it
> (apparently).
>

Well it's got a digital motor (whatever the fuck that is) so it must be
alright

[Arfa Daily]

"Gazz" <no...@m.ta> wrote in message news:ksgl9n$s6s$1...@dont-email.me...

>
>> Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants, also known as the McDonald's coffee
>> case and the hot coffee lawsuit, was a 1994 product liability lawsuit
>> that became a flashpoint in the debate in the United States over tort
>> reform. A New Mexico civil jury awarded $2.86 million to plaintiff Stella
>> Liebeck who had suffered third-degree burns in her pelvic region when she
>> accidentally spilled hot coffee in her lap after purchasing it from a
>> McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was hospitalized for eight days while she
>> underwent skin grafting, followed by two years of medical treatment.
>>

>> Liebeck's attorneys argued that at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C), McDonald's

>> coffee was defective, claiming it was too hot and more likely to cause
>> serious injury than coffee served at any other establishment. McDonald's
>> had refused several prior opportunities to settle for less than what the
>> jury ultimately awarded. The jury damages included $160,000[3] to cover
>> medical expenses and compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive
>> damages. The trial judge reduced the final verdict to $640,000, and the
>> parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided.
>
>
> Surely coffee is made by pouring boiling water over the grounds? so i'd
> have thought coffee made with cooler water would be classed as 'defective'

Absolutely not. Tea should be made with boiling water. Coffee must not. It
burns very easily, and that turns it bitter. It's why you get such lousy
americanos and cappuccinos in so many cafes. Most of the kids making the
coffee have never had any proper training, and haven't the faintest idea
what the milk steaming thermometer is for, or what it should read, if they
even bother to use it. Likewise, any temperature gauge and setting for the
water. Places that use bean-to-cup machines tend to be better in this
regard, if the temperatures have been set properly on the machine in the
first place. The erks only need to press a button on those machines to
produce a perfect coffee of any type.

The correct temperature to ensure that the coffee is not burnt, is around
150 to 160 deg F

Arfa

[Arfa Daily]

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk...

> On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:31:20 +0100, Phil L wrote:
>
>> I use Raid every day in my kitchen, living room and hallway and it's
>> never bothered me.
>
> Good grief! What on earth for? Are you a serial killer with 20
> moldering bodies stashed about the house?
>
> The last time I can remember using a fly spray must be oh gosh pre
> 1995 and that was to fumigate a loft that had developed a habit of
> growing wasps nests. I went up one spring and found 3 or 4 little
> nests (ping pong ball sized hanging on a short stem) that weren't
> there a couple of months earlier. And yes one of the the "ancient
> cans" I refered to earlier was probably the one I used...
>
> We don't seem to suffer from flies but we do have a healthy spider
> population. Seem to be quite a lot of pholcus phalangioides (Cellar
> Spider) along with a number of ordinary house spiders. Of course
> daily use of fly spray kills off the spiders as well as the flies...

I'm guessing that you don't live in the country then ? We only have to open
the windows at the back of our house, which faces open fields, and the house
is full of flies within minutes. And these days, the whole fly situation is
not helped in summer, by councils leaving the bins to fester for 2 weeks
between empty-ings ...

Arfa

[S Viemeister]

On 7/21/2013 9:28 PM, Arfa Daily wrote:

> I'm guessing that you don't live in the country then ? We only have to
> open the windows at the back of our house, which faces open fields, and
> the house is full of flies within minutes. And these days, the whole fly
> situation is not helped in summer, by councils leaving the bins to
> fester for 2 weeks between empty-ings ...
>

This is why I made window-screens - they even keep out Highland midges.

[fred]

This is my favourite fly killer. They just disappear.

http://mlkshk.com/p/6RKN

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:34:30 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:

>Define "nuked". Just a couple of short squirts into the air in the
>middle of the room or long continuous blasts waving around all over
>the place, possibly attempting to hit the flies directly?

I use a targeted short squirt aimed at the fly's next space occupancy.
Works bloody well and a tin of Raid lasts all year and more.

If I use the Raid-preferred method of filling the room and leaving it
with the doors closed, I reckon there's enough in a tin to do that
twice. That gets pricey (and probably dodgier).

[Vir Campestris]

On 21/07/2013 22:23, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> Oh yus.
> I give the spiders a special treat by introducing them to Mr Parkside
> of the 1200W Clan.

Put the light out the other night, and almost immediately ....
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... light back on. There she is. Grab tissue. Look back.
Vanished. Damn, all lights on, search. No sign anywhere, there's a
spider in the corner I'll have to get rid of before SWMBO is next
here... where is that dman mozzie... hang on... what's the spider eating?

:)

Andy

[spoo...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:17:08 AM UTC+1, Jake wrote:
> One of my idiot housemates has just completely nuked our shared kitchen with
>
> RAID Fly and Wasp Killer because there were a few (<5) flies in there. The
>
> reason there are flies are because he is a total slob and leaves plates
>
> unwashed for several days before he runs out of clean dishes and is forced
>
> to wash everything up.
>
>
>

> Anyway, my question is, how safe is this? It will have gone all over my
>
> cups, plates saucepans and food that I have stored on open shelves and
>
> cereal boxes on the worktops that are too large (tall) to fit in the
>
> cupboards, and all over my fruit that sits in a bowl in my space on the
>
> worktop. Other food such as bread that I have in a closed packet will be
>
> unaffected, but it will be all over the outside of the packet which I will
>
> be touching to get the bread out.
>
>
>
> It says it's supposed to be used in kitchens, as he is using as the basis of
>
> his arguments, but it also says that it's supposed to be kept away from
>
> utensils, food and food contact surfaces, which is a bit of a confusing
>
> oxymoron as that's exactly what you will find in a kitchen!

is raid wasp and fly spray any good for killing spiders

[Brian Gaff]

Well a year later, the originator of this thread has probably murdered his
mate and is doing time at her majesties expence I should not wonder. Either
that or the fly spray has killed them both.
brian

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[Jabba]

spoo...@gmail.com scribbled...

>
> is raid wasp and fly spray any good for killing spiders

Yes. Whack 'em with the can.

[Brian Gaff]

I was thinking the same. Actually I like to keep my spiders this time of
year, they get a lot of the wasps and mozzies.
Brian

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