LR44 batteries - voltage

[Michael Chare]

I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry
card reader. They don't work!

Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30
1.43 1.47

What voltage should I get from a new battery?

The card reader was showing "Low Battery". Fortunately after I rubbed
the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I
have been able to make my online bank payment.


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Michael Chare

[Martin Brown]

On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote:
> I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry
> card reader. They don't work!
>
> Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30
> 1.43 1.47
>
> What voltage should I get from a new battery?

A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load. See

http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/silveroxide_appman.pdf

>
> The card reader was showing "Low Battery".  Fortunately after I rubbed
> the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I
> have been able to make my online bank payment.
>
>


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[Andy Burns]

Michael Chare wrote:

> I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry
> card reader. They don't work!
>
> Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30
> 1.43 1.47
>
> What voltage should I get from a new battery?

Some Energizer alkaline LR44s with 2020 expiry date all read 1.57V

[Andy Burns]

Martin Brown wrote:

> A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load

My pinsentry was provided with alkaline cells, not silver oxide.

[Scott]

Did you try rubbing the new batteries? I'm also a Barclays customer
and I had some problems replacing the batteries. Unfortunately, I
cannot remember what the problem was but I think it was connections.

[Scott]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:42:59 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Martin Brown wrote:
>
>> A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load
>
>My pinsentry was provided with alkaline cells, not silver oxide.

I'm sure I used alkaline.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <pjmvnr$38j$1...@dont-email.me>,

Michael Chare <mUNDERS...@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote:
> I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry
> card reader. They don't work!

> Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30
> 1.43 1.47

> What voltage should I get from a new battery?

If fresh, always more than its nominal figure.

Just measured one with a best before July 2014 date. 1.53v

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Alkalines give 1.55v new. You already know that.


NT

[Fredxx]

On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote:

I believe the LR44 is an alkaline battery with a terminal voltage of
1.5V. A SR44 is a silver oxide batter with a terminal voltage of 1.55V

The ones you have must be well past their sell by date, or kept in a
very warm place conducive to a significant self-discharge. There should
be a date on the batteries or packaging.

[Brian Gaff]

Therese sound knackered. get your money back.
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[Scott]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:19:45 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Therese sound knackered. get your money back.
> Brian

This can sometimes be a challenge with eBay, I believe.

[Fredxx]

I've not failed yet. The exception to that was where it was out of time
for an ebay dispute. Still PayPal guarantee for 6 months from purchase.

[Max Demian]

On 30/07/2018 13:19, Michael Chare wrote:

> I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry
> card reader. They don't work!

I get mine from https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0042LPUIK/ £3.70 for 10
including postage. No problems.

> Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30
> 1.43 1.47
>
> What voltage should I get from a new battery?

!.5V nominal.

> The card reader was showing "Low Battery".  Fortunately after I rubbed
> the old batteries with a tissue the card reader started to work so I
> have been able to make my online bank payment.

Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace
the reader.

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[Michael Chare]

On 30/07/2018 19:24, Scott wrote:

I have succeeded in the past for something that was not delivered. I
once had to use the ebay resolution procedure but I think that was
because the seller lacked competence, he did not dispute my case.

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Michael Chare

[newshound]

Rings bells with me too.

[Scott]

I thought of that but it offends my 'right to repair' principles.

[Richard]

+1
That's what they did for me. Don't even have to go to a branch.
https://www.barclays.co.uk/help/online-banking/pinsentry/PINsentry_replace/

[Andrew]

On 30/07/2018 13:34, Martin Brown wrote:
> A fresh silver oxide one should be around 1.6v under no load. See

Silver Oxide batteries would be SR44.

LR44 are normal lithium batteries, and should be about 1.55 volts
when fresh.

Beware of using LR44 in place of SR44 in an older film camera
because ony the SR44 batteries can deliver the current necessary
to activate the mirror-up and shutter. Expect many, many
pointless arguments with a holes at carboot sales who will try
and convince you that they are 'the same'.

[Andrew]

On 30/07/2018 22:56, Max Demian wrote:
> Why not take it back to a Barclays Bank branch? I expect they'll replace
> the reader.

yup. Worthing branch just gave me a new one when I complained that
the LCD was getting a bit too dim to read.

I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account
in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin
then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry.

[Richard]

So you think that every chip and pin point in the world is tied to your
account? That is all the pin sentry is, a chip and pin reader.

[Bob Eager]

The NatWest ones require your debit card too.

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[Andy Burns]

Bob Eager wrote:

> The NatWest ones require your debit card too.

So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are
interoperable.

[Scott]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:00:20 +0100, Andrew

As indeed you can use someone else's device to generate a code (except
I think one bank (HSBC?) uses a different system).

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <pjpmh4$1k92$2...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
> I was superprised to learn that they are not tied to your account
> in any way, so if somene gets holds of your login details and pin
> then they can still hack your account with another pinsentry.

With my Barclays one, you also need your card. Thus they would need your
card, PIN, and logon details.

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[Scott]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <05q0mdtsc8febjl8b...@4ax.com>,

I'd say it would need to be the card associated with the account? You can
have a Barclaycard and no Barclay bank account.

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[Scott]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:17:47 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <05q0mdtsc8febjl8b...@4ax.com>,
> Scott <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>> >Bob Eager wrote:
>> >
>> >> The NatWest ones require your debit card too.
>> >
>> >So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are
>> >interoperable.
>
>> Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work.
>
>I'd say it would need to be the card associated with the account? You can
>have a Barclaycard and no Barclay bank account.

Actually, that must be right. The card reader does not need to be
associated but the (debit) card does.

[tony sayer]

In article <pjpn3f$1m08$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Richard <smithski@btinternet.
com.invalid> scribeth thus

They still need your card!..
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[Richard]

Really!? And I thought the chip came with fish. Better tell Andrew, eh?

[Richard]

On 31/07/18 15:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <05q0mdtsc8febjl8b...@4ax.com>,
> Scott <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:29:07 +0100, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>
>>>> The NatWest ones require your debit card too.
>>>
>>> So do the Barclays ones, and the Natwest/Barclays cards and readers are
>>> interoperable.
>
>> Interestingly only a debit card. Barclaycards do not work.
>
> I'd say it would need to be the card associated with the account? You can
> have a Barclaycard and no Barclay bank account.
>

Barclaycard is a Credit card. Different standard to Debit cards. A
credit card won't work in a pin sentry device, as that is intended for
online banking. They also use pin sentries in my local Barclays branch
to do transactions over the counter.

[Scott]

If you have two accounts / two debit cards, can you use the 'wrong'
debit card? Otherwise, it's easier than this (card needs to relate to
account, full stop).

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <d421md9fmq86ugsuu...@4ax.com>,

Scott <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >Barclaycard is a Credit card. Different standard to Debit cards. A
> >credit card won't work in a pin sentry device, as that is intended for
> >online banking. They also use pin sentries in my local Barclays branch
> >to do transactions over the counter.

> If you have two accounts / two debit cards, can you use the 'wrong'
> debit card? Otherwise, it's easier than this (card needs to relate to
> account, full stop).

No. You need the debit card associated with the account - or rather you do
with Barclays. At home, that is.

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[Andrew]

On 31/07/2018 14:10, Richard wrote:
> So you think that every chip and pin point in the world is tied to your
> account? That is all the pin sentry is, a chip and pin reader.

The telecoms co i used to work for supplied us with
laptops installed with a Nortel VPN and an RSA key
and as far as I can remember each one was tied to the
laptop and needed a pin as well.

When logging in the device showed 5 bars and you had
to enter your pin before the 5th bar appeared so it
would synchronise with their server. Using a
collegues RSA key would not work without the matching pin.

[Bob Eager]

As I thought. So the fact that the readers are interchangeable is not a
problem.

[Johnny B Good]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:19:04 +0100, Michael Chare wrote:

> I bought some LR44 1.55v batteries on ebay for my Barclays Pin sentry
> card reader. They don't work!
>

> Using my digital multimeter the voltages of the 4 I tried are 0.471 1.30
> 1.43 1.47
>
> What voltage should I get from a new battery?
>

Nominally, 1.5 volt but new cells typically show an extra 50 to 100mV
higher than this nominal 1.5v rating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_cell#Type_designation


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[Scott]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:18:56 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <d421md9fmq86ugsuu...@4ax.com>,
> Scott <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> >Barclaycard is a Credit card. Different standard to Debit cards. A
>> >credit card won't work in a pin sentry device, as that is intended for
>> >online banking. They also use pin sentries in my local Barclays branch
>> >to do transactions over the counter.
>
>> If you have two accounts / two debit cards, can you use the 'wrong'
>> debit card? Otherwise, it's easier than this (card needs to relate to
>> account, full stop).
>
>No. You need the debit card associated with the account - or rather you do
>with Barclays. At home, that is.

Thanks. MIne is Barclays and the original question related to
Barclays, so I think that is the question answered.