OT - The Work Van

[DerbyBorn]

A near neighbour is a Postman. He now comes home in the Royal Mail Van and
goes off to work in it the next day. He must have to go to the sorting
office to pick up the mail.

I am wondering what has changed - at one time employees could not have come
home in a Royal Mail Van. Is is a money saving initiative so that the Royal
Mail does not need to provide garaging space for some of their vehicles? I
don't thnk he uses it for any "social" use so the pnly benefit to hime is
presumably a free ride to and from work.

[The Medway Handyman]

Presumably HMRC would want to get their greedy little fingers involved?


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[charles]

In article <XnsA43EB215EC2BFTr...@81.171.92.236>, DerbyBorn

Until about 3 years ago our village sorting office (for KT24) had one van
and the posties used pushbikes. The van was used for those packets that
wouldn't conveniently fit in the panniers.

About 2 years ago, a further 6 vans appeared. Our Postie now delivers from
a van. It must be an incredibly inefficient way of working; they should
have got electric vans, except the sorting office doesn't have enought
parking for all the vans, so they couldn't be recharged overnight. When
it's cold or wet, it must improve the working conditions, though.

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[Fredxxx]

Only if he uses it for private use that isn't just incidental.

Otherwise it's a good tax free perk where he uses the van purely for
commuting.

[ARW]

"Fredxxx" <fre...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The lads who take work vans home where I work are charged 50ppm for private
use.

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Adam

[Bob Eager]

May be similar to what happened round here. Canterbury and itws two main
satellite towns (Whitstable and Herne Bay) each had their own delivery
offices. It all worked fine, then then built a shiny new canterbury DO
that turned out to be under used.

So now the Whitstable and Herne Bay postmen all drive to Canterbury in
their vans, collect a load of post, go back to their respective towns,
park the vans and go off on bikes. Then they drive back to Canterbury and
do it again - up to 4 times per day. I suspect they keep their vans so
that they can get there in the morning before the buses are running.

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[Another John]

In article <XnsA43EB215EC2BFTr...@81.171.92.236>,
DerbyBorn <Some...@Nearhome.com> wrote:

> A near neighbour is a Postman. He now comes home in the Royal Mail Van and
> goes off to work in it the next day. He must have to go to the sorting
> office to pick up the mail.
>
> I am wondering what has changed - at one time employees could not have come

> home in a Royal Mail Van. Is is a money saving initiative ...

"Ding!", as they say. It really pisses me off. The privatisation of
Royal Mail was the last bastion ... though, of course, the weaselly
small-minded, big-bonused, accountant-type managers they had for the
last few years were already into "money-saving" (and bonus-generating)
schemes. Expect to see a lot more.

For a long while we around here had the pleasure of seeing the Royal
Mail delivered in white, rented, vans.

Pah.

J.

[Andy Burns]

DerbyBorn wrote:

> A near neighbour is a Postman. He now comes home in the Royal Mail Van and
> goes off to work in it the next day. He must have to go to the sorting
> office to pick up the mail.
>
> I am wondering what has changed - at one time employees could not have come
> home in a Royal Mail Van.

Similarly a mate of mine works for BT, previously he had to get to the
exchange to pick his van up from the yard, but for several years he now
takes a van home, and his work day starts when he hits the road (GPS
tracked of course) and his boss is on his case if it's not mobile by 8am.

[Adrian]

On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:28:00 +0000, Fredxxx wrote:

>>> A near neighbour is a Postman. He now comes home in the Royal Mail Van
>>> and goes off to work in it the next day. He must have to go to the
>>> sorting office to pick up the mail.

> Otherwise it's a good tax free perk where he uses the van purely for
> commuting.

Perhaps he doesn't actually have to go to the sorting office? If it's a
fairly rural round, he may well have a meet-up point with somebody who
brings his round's post from the sorting office, either on the way to his
own round or in a circular route to several rural rounds.

[Tim Watts]

I wonder what they do if the employee has no parking at home?

[Mr Pounder]

"Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
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[Mr Pounder]

"Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7OKdndpjzeYpJEbJ...@brightview.co.uk...

I had a works van for over 13 years. Like everybody else on the company I
took it home. I was mobile long before 8am, sometimes 3am. GPS tracked. I
got no thanks for this.
The rule was not to use the van for private use, or so I heard. I never used
it privately and was not told of this rule. Some of the 8am kick off wankers
of course tried it on.
Taking the van home did lead to more productivity - provided you sorted the
van out in your own time which I did. This gave me an easier life whilst
working.

>
>

[Fredxxx]

Last time I looked at this you were allowed private use within the
tax-free perk as long as it was incidental, such as going for lunch etc.
But it could not be used for an evening shop. So a shop at lunchtime at
the same time as a meal break would probably be ok.

[Mr Pounder]

"Fredxxx" <fre...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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It got very complicated. At first we/they could do as we/they liked, then
we/they could not do as we/they liked. Possibly the boss was getting pissed
off with his weekend fuel bills. I never looked into it.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <mbg6ud$vlu$1...@dont-email.me>,

Driving to work is private use as far as HMRC is concerned, so his
employer would need to provide a P11D so he can be taxed on the
perk. This was the way GEC handled it when I worked there if you
drove a company vehicle between office and home. Driving direct
to/from clients is fine though - that counts as business use.
It might be that he always drives between home and somewhere which
isn't his workplace, e.g. to collect/deliver mail, and I suspect
that would then not count as private use.

> Otherwise it's a good tax free perk where he uses the van purely for
> commuting.

Sadly, not.

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[Bill]

In message <ck1lseF...@mid.individual.net>, Bob Eager
<news...@eager.cx> writes

>Canterbury and itws two main satellite towns (Whitstable and Herne Bay)

Ah yes, Herne Bay. 1958 Kings Hall - Gene Vincent. I was there.

Now back to your regular programming.........
--
Bill

[Robin]

> Driving to work is private use as far as HMRC is concerned, so his
> employer would need to provide a P11D so he can be taxed on the
> perk. This was the way GEC handled it when I worked there if you
> drove a company vehicle between office and home. Driving direct
> to/from clients is fine though - that counts as business use.
> It might be that he always drives between home and somewhere which
> isn't his workplace, e.g. to collect/deliver mail, and I suspect
> that would then not count as private use.
>
>> Otherwise it's a good tax free perk where he uses the van purely for
>> commuting.
>
> Sadly, not.

That was right until they changed the company van legislation again - I
think in 2005. Employees whose main use of vans is for business travel
can now use them for commuting and for other incidental private use
without a tax charge.

Unless of course I missed when they changed it back again.
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[Fredxxx]

No you're right.

I can't remember the year but the tax on a van used for any personal use
including commuting to and from work was on a maximum of £350 or £550
depending on age.

Then that changed and the equivalent benefit with fuel became £3,500.
Many tradesmen who were obliged to take their van home because they were
on call etc claimed foul, and so the restriction of commuting was
removed from the criterion of personal use.

So as long as the vehicle is only used for commuting and incidental
personal use, HMRC have guidelines, then there is no tax liability.

[John Miller]

I remember looking into this a few years back when our next door
neighbour brought home a large Transit van every night and parked it
opposite the guy across the road who parked half on the pavement.
Between the two of them they made it very difficult for us to get our
car on & off our drive. The police weren't interested, of course. I was
exceptionally pissed off that the Government would do something to
encourage the parking of large vans in residential areas and also
provide free rides to work when the rest of us had to pay through the
nose. Thankfully, he moved - the other inconsiderate neighbours are
still there and still cause problems parking their 3 cars.

John M

[RJH]

A problem round here too (Sheffield). A lot of side streets are only 3
cars wide. Double parked vans cause a lot of trouble, and we now have
half a dozen or so on our street parked overnight of late. All
unmarked/local traders though.


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[mark.b...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 23:40:42 UTC, Bill wrote:

> Ah yes, Herne Bay. 1958 Kings Hall - Gene Vincent. I was there.

White face, black shirt, white socks, black shoes.
Black hair, white Strat, bled white, died black.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <a9ssqb-...@squidward.dionic.net>,

Tim Watts <tw_u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> > Similarly a mate of mine works for BT, previously he had to get to the
> > exchange to pick his van up from the yard, but for several years he
> > now takes a van home, and his work day starts when he hits the road
> > (GPS tracked of course) and his boss is on his case if it's not mobile
> > by 8am.
> >
> >

> I wonder what they do if the employee has no parking at home?

It's a PITA round here - given the driver will likely also own a car.

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[ARW]

"John Miller" <millerhous...@talktalk.net> wrote in message
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My heart bleeds. And if the guy was self employed and needed a large van for
work?

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Adam

[ARW]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5494bf1...@davenoise.co.uk...

> In article <a9ssqb-...@squidward.dionic.net>,
> Tim Watts <tw_u...@dionic.net> wrote:
>> > Similarly a mate of mine works for BT, previously he had to get to the
>> > exchange to pick his van up from the yard, but for several years he
>> > now takes a van home, and his work day starts when he hits the road
>> > (GPS tracked of course) and his boss is on his case if it's not mobile
>> > by 8am.
>> >
>> >
>
>> I wonder what they do if the employee has no parking at home?
>
> It's a PITA round here - given the driver will likely also own a car.

Are you a one car owner?



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Adam

[Rod Speed]

"ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:mbj0nv$mif$1...@dont-email.me...

My next door neighbour often parks his semi outside my house,
takes up the whole of the width of the block on the road.

No problem for me, I just have to be a little more careful
than usual pulling out of my drive in case someone else
is diving down the road past the semi as I pull out.

[Fredxxx]

On 12/02/2015 09:28, Huge wrote:
> On 2015-02-12, Fredxxx <fre...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> [27 lines snipped]

>
>> Then that changed and the equivalent benefit with fuel became £3,500.
>> Many tradesmen who were obliged to take their van home because they were
>> on call etc claimed foul, and so the restriction of commuting was
>> removed from the criterion of personal use.
>>
>> So as long as the vehicle is only used for commuting and incidental
>> personal use, HMRC have guidelines, then there is no tax liability.
>

> I sit corrected.
>
> And astonished at the display of common sense by HMRC.

It was the uproar of employers who had their staff on call and various
other pressure groups.

[Fredxxx]

On 12/02/2015 09:26, Huge wrote:

> Wrong. That use is taxable.

Can you cite, where the van is also used at/for work?

[ARW]

"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ck4gvd...@mid.individual.net...

Semi does have another meaning in the UK:-)

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Adam

[Fredxxx]

On 12/02/2015 22:14, Huge wrote:
> On 2015-02-12, Fredxxx <fre...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Jesus, you posted this *after* you responded to the post where I said
> I was wrong.
>
> How fucking dumb are you?

Obviously not sufficiently dumb to make an uncorroborated and untrue
statement after my earlier reply to Robin, but dumber as the news server
that decided to spit out your post just an hour ago.

[Rod Speed]

"ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message

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True, but not many park them on the road |-)

[JimK]

/Rod's peed

"ARW" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:mbj600$egf$1...@dont-email.me...

- show quoted text -
True, but not many park them on the road |-) /q

When in Doncaster.....

Jim K

[Tim Watts]

On 12/02/15 20:00, ARW wrote:

> My heart bleeds. And if the guy was self employed and needed a large van
> for work?

I don't think anyone could object to a man with his own van for his
livelihood as long as he doesn't park it like a dick[1] - but plenty of
car drivers park like dicks too so that's an across the board problem.

[1] Transits (rather than car sized vans) are much bigger so if you live
down a tight road with double parking, a few of those can make the
difference between making the road difficult to pass.

Personally I think it's cheap if the employer provides work vans but
does not stable them overnight and basically uses the bloke's road as
free parking - especially if the employee effectively cannot use it
other that to/from work. It's as much an inconvenience for the employee
as for their neighbours if they don't have off street parking.

Same with Hams buses around here - half the laybys up the A21 are full
of Hams coaches all day long. Cheap bastards should buy some yards.

[Bill]

In message <ch81rb-...@squidward.dionic.net>, Tim Watts
<tw_u...@dionic.net> writes

>Same with Hams buses around here - half the laybys up the A21 are full
>of Hams coaches all day long. Cheap bastards should buy some yards.

Here it's the M&S food store that advised staff to "find a nice quiet
road to park" when it opened. That and the financial adviser that's
taken over the whole row of accommodation above some local shops, so we
sometimes get the Aston Martin outside.
--
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[Bob Eager]

We just got the brothel staff. But not the customers.



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[Bob Henson]

On 13/02/2015 6:26 pm, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:52:46 +0000, Bill wrote:
>
>> In message <ch81rb-...@squidward.dionic.net>, Tim Watts
>> <tw_u...@dionic.net> writes
>>> Same with Hams buses around here - half the laybys up the A21 are full
>>> of Hams coaches all day long. Cheap bastards should buy some yards.
>>
>> Here it's the M&S food store that advised staff to "find a nice quiet
>> road to park" when it opened. That and the financial adviser that's
>> taken over the whole row of accommodation above some local shops, so we
>> sometimes get the Aston Martin outside.
>
> We just got the brothel staff. But not the customers.
>
>
>

I was sent to a Boots branch shop for a few days in a less than
salubrious area of Derby. Having parked my car down a nearby side
street, I was looking around for parking restriction signs, when a
motherly looking lady in the doorway of the house outside which I had
parked asked if I was working at Boots - observantly spotting my white
coat over my arm. When I replied in the affirmative, she said the car
would be fine and they'd keep an eye on it for me. I didn't like to ask
who "they" were, but they were obviously friendly so I thanked her and
went to work. When I told the pharmacist, he told me the car would be as
safe as houses there; it was the local knocking shop, the polite lady
was the "madam" , and they always looked out for their friends. I judged
it wise not to ask how we came to be such good friends. We spent lunch
times sitting behind closed shop doors watching the fights at the pub
over the road as they spilled out onto the pavement. You got a proper
education when you were an apprentice in those days.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

I don't go to High Church - I can't stand the smell of all that incest.

[Bob Eager]

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:26:17 +0000, Bob Henson wrote:

> it was the local knocking shop, the polite lady was the "madam" , and
> they always looked out for their friends. I judged it wise not to ask
> how we came to be such good friends.

Bulk condoms at a knocking-shop-down price?

[S Viemeister]

On 2/14/2015 7:18 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:26:17 +0000, Bob Henson wrote:
>
>> it was the local knocking shop, the polite lady was the "madam" , and
>> they always looked out for their friends. I judged it wise not to ask
>> how we came to be such good friends.
>
> Bulk condoms at a knocking-shop-down price?
>

Penicillin?

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Friday, 13 February 2015 18:26:17 UTC, Bob Eager wrote:
> > we sometimes get the Aston Martin outside.
> We just got the brothel staff. But not the customers.

Depending on the type of brothel, perhaps the staff had better cars than the customers.

Owain

[Weatherlawyer]

I believe the invention of aluminium and iron oxide dust put paid to that sort of behaviour decades ago. I believe the product is called FeallUminimium.

[Weatherlawyer]

And couldn't afford to park in the local car park overnight, you mean?
A short, sharp, "get up earlier in the morning you fecker" call would work wonders, I am sure

[Weatherlawyer]

I don't think it is dumb to pay for a dismal service when you can get faster online for free. The worst possible thing you can do now, though, is explain in detail that you have your reasons and tell the world what they are.

[Bob Eager]

Well, the staff did have good cars. The customers parked too far away to
tell.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <mbj0nv$mif$1...@dont-email.me>,

ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >I was exceptionally pissed off that the Government would do something
> >to encourage the parking of large vans in residential areas and also
> >provide free rides to work when the rest of us had to pay through the
> >nose.

> My heart bleeds. And if the guy was self employed and needed a large van
> for work?

Would it also be OK if he was a self employed truck driver and brought the
artic home every night?

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[ARW]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message

news:5495d8d...@davenoise.co.uk...

> In article <mbj0nv$mif$1...@dont-email.me>,
> ARW <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> >I was exceptionally pissed off that the Government would do something
>> >to encourage the parking of large vans in residential areas and also
>> >provide free rides to work when the rest of us had to pay through the
>> >nose.
>
>> My heart bleeds. And if the guy was self employed and needed a large van
>> for work?
>
> Would it also be OK if he was a self employed truck driver and brought the
> artic home every night?

He could probably park it in a smaller space than the next door neighbour
can manage to park her Micra - and still leave more room than she does for
other road users to pass:-)

Adam

[charles]

In article <mbo1nu$aie$1...@dont-email.me>, ARW

My daughter was designated driver for a hen party and trying to put the
hired minibus into space. There was resulting traffic holdup. The driver of
a large lorry got out and came over "Would you like me to park that for
you, love?" Needless to say he put it straight into slot.

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[Bob Henson]

On 14/02/2015 12:18 pm, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:26:17 +0000, Bob Henson wrote:
>
>> it was the local knocking shop, the polite lady was the "madam" , and
>> they always looked out for their friends. I judged it wise not to ask
>> how we came to be such good friends.
>
> Bulk condoms at a knocking-shop-down price?
>

All things are possible - it may well have been something like that :-)

--
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Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

If a man stands in the middle of the forest speaking and there is no
woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Saturday, 14 February 2015 18:19:35 UTC, charles wrote:
> Needless to say he put it straight into slot.

<snigger>

Owain

[ARW]

<spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote in message
news:8db24e05-9bed-42ba...@googlegroups.com...

> On Saturday, 14 February 2015 18:19:35 UTC, charles wrote:
>> Needless to say he put it straight into slot.
>
> <snigger>

I did:-)

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[ARW]

"JimK" <jk98...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Did I ever tell you the one about the alcoholic old slag, the drunk man, the
dressing gown and a bowl of fruit that I once saw in Doncaster?

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[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:18:58 UTC, ARW wrote:
> Did I ever tell you the one about the alcoholic old slag, the drunk man, the
> dressing gown and a bowl of fruit that I once saw in Doncaster?

No, and I don't believe that they know what a bowl of fruit is in Doncaster.

Owain

[Robin]

I may need to apologise to Doncastrians as I had assumed "bowl of fruit"
in that context was of the same ilk as "Glasgow salad".

But I hope we'll get the story i.d.c.


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[Adrian]

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:37:30 +0000, Robin wrote:

>>> Did I ever tell you the one about the alcoholic old slag, the drunk
>>> man, the dressing gown and a bowl of fruit that I once saw in
>>> Doncaster?

>> No, and I don't believe that they know what a bowl of fruit is in
>> Doncaster.

> I may need to apologise to Doncastrians as I had assumed "bowl of fruit"
> in that context was of the same ilk as "Glasgow salad".

Let's just say that I hope I'm wrong.

> But I hope we'll get the story i.d.c.

I think I want to hear it, too.

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Thursday, 19 February 2015 19:37:26 UTC, Robin wrote:
> I may need to apologise to Doncastrians as I had assumed "bowl of fruit"
> in that context was of the same ilk as "Glasgow salad".

But Glasgow salad comes in pokes, or munchy boxes; not bowls.

Unless it's one of those gastric pubs that serves the Glasgow salad in a little metal plant-pot.

Owain

[bert]

In message <12d99ddb-7d4d-41a7...@googlegroups.com>,
spuorg...@gowanhill.com writes

>On Thursday, 19 February 2015 19:37:26 UTC, Robin wrote:
>> I may need to apologise to Doncastrians as I had assumed "bowl of fruit"
>> in that context was of the same ilk as "Glasgow salad".
>
>But Glasgow salad comes in pokes, or munchy boxes; not bowls.
>

And deep fried.

--
bert