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Lobster

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Sep 6, 2006, 4:52:12 AM9/6/06
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Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing.
Should caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too? (Can't
remember my 0-level chemistry!)

If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
adversely affected?

David

Phil Anthropist

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Sep 6, 2006, 5:08:11 AM9/6/06
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I would only use it for the purposes mentioned on the label, and there is no
mention of burnt pans.


Grunff

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Phil Anthropist wrote:

> I would only use it for the purposes mentioned on the label

Why?


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Ian_m

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Yes. Leave to soak a day or two and dirt just peels away.

Caustic will attach aluminium and flesh.

Caustic will also attack non-stick surfaces (actually I think it attacks the
copper ? plating under the teflon causing the telfon to peel off).

Other thing I do with both pans and oven shelves is place in a large poly
bag with an ammonia soaked cloth for a day or two in the garden (as it
wiffs) and dirts just wipes off.


Grunff

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Sep 6, 2006, 5:39:08 AM9/6/06
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Yes, you can certainly give it a try, it won't damage the pan. Whether
it will work is a different matter - that will depend on the type of
deposit.

If it's still relatively high in organic content, the sodium hydroxide
should do a good job on it. However, if it is charred to the point of
being little more than carbon, you may be better off with an organic
solvent - ether (sold as carb cleaner) works well for carbon deposits.

I'd try the sodium hydroxide first.


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Christian McArdle

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Sep 6, 2006, 6:00:11 AM9/6/06
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> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
> below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing.

Personally, I would buy a new one. Probably cheaper than buying the
chemicals! It might even be more environmentally friendly, although I'm not
sure on that one.

Christian.


Dave Liquorice

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Sep 6, 2006, 5:34:47 AM9/6/06
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:52:12 GMT, Lobster wrote:

> Should caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too?

You need to be sure of the pans metal if it is aluminium it will
dissolve. TBH Caustic Soda is a bit drastic, assuming the pan is
stainless steel try *gently* simmering some washing soda in water or even
water & a squirt of washing up liquid for half an hour or so. Add liberal
elbow grease applied with a soft (not metal) scraper and you should
succeed, followed up with Bar Keepers Friend for the final polish/clean.
Failing that try a proprietary, mild, oven cleaner.
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john2

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Sep 6, 2006, 6:21:29 AM9/6/06
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try *gently* simmering some washing soda in water or even
> water & a squirt of washing up liquid for half an hour or so. Add liberal
> elbow grease applied with a soft (not metal) scraper and you should
> succeed, followed up with Bar Keepers Friend for the final polish/clean.
> Failing that try a proprietary, mild, oven cleaner.

For "antique" stainless steel, using a 20 gallon or so pan, boil in a
strong washing soda solution for a few hours. Usually effective and
harmless.

john2

Helen Deborah Vecht

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Grunff <gru...@ixxa.com>typed


I would suggest the rather more costly, but gentler, Dr Beckmann
'Rescue' oven cleaner, and leave it in place for a few hours before
scrubbing.

It seems to work (slowly) on my pans and roasting tins.

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Guy King

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> If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
> adversely affected?

SS will be fine, aluminium and its alloys will fizz merrily and disappear.

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Grunff

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Guy King wrote:

> SS will be fine, aluminium and its alloys will fizz merrily and disappear.

Several people have mentioned aluminium - I don't think I've ever seen
an aluminium pan - are they (still) used? Where can you buy them? Are
they just plain aluminium?


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Most aluminium pots and pans were collected in 1940 to make Spitfires.

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Grunff

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> Most aluminium pots and pans were collected in 1940 to make Spitfires.


Wow, loads of them. Nice to see they're at least coated.


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Guy King

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> Several people have mentioned aluminium - I don't think I've ever seen
> an aluminium pan - are they (still) used? Where can you buy them? Are
> they just plain aluminium?

Plenty about. Many cheap frying pans still are aluminium, and lots of
older saucepans.

Lobster

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Cicero wrote:
> "Grunff" <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote in message
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>> Guy King wrote:
>>
>>> SS will be fine, aluminium and its alloys will fizz merrily and disappear.
>> Several people have mentioned aluminium - I don't think I've ever seen
>> an aluminium pan - are they (still) used? Where can you buy them? Are
>> they just plain aluminium?

> Most aluminium pots and pans were collected in 1940 to make Spitfires.

I thought They banned aluminium in cooking pots sometime ago cos it gave
you Alzheimer's? Or did I dream that one?

david


Cicero

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=========================
There was a strong suggestion about 20 years ago that the use of aluminium
cooking vessels was a contributory cause of Alzheimer's disease. I don't know
whether anything was fully proved but I know many people discarded their
aluminium pots and pans in favour of stainless or Teflon. Apparently aluminium
pressure cookers were regarded as safe because cooking was done by steam rather
than by being immersed in boiling water.

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Guy King

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> I thought They banned aluminium in cooking pots sometime ago cos it gave

> you Alzheimer's? Or did I dream that one?

You can still get aluminium pressure cookers - I think.

Guy King

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> Most aluminium pots and pans were collected in 1940 to make Spitfires.

But plenty more were made afterwards - mostly to use up spare aluminium
manufacturing capacity!

din...@codesmiths.com

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Guy King wrote:

> But plenty more were made afterwards - mostly to use up spare aluminium
> manufacturing capacity!

Not aluminium smelting capacity though - they were just recycling those
same Spitfires post-war. The Landrover was bodied in an aluminium
alloy because steel was in such short supply, but there was a huge
supply of scrap aircraft. The first Landie prototype was panelled with
sheet cut literally with an axe from aircraft awaiting disposal.

Owing to concerns over alloy quality, almost none of the pans were ever
used for Spitfires. For years there was a large dump of them (Welsh
quarry somewhere?)

John

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In article <0%vLg.9236$G72....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?)...

Lobster: going back to basics, what kind of pan scrub? A few months ago
I bought a pack of six of those stainless steel wire scrubs (*not* steel
wool -- these look like very neat bundles of steel shavings (but they're
obviously not)). I bought 'em in the Pund Shop as we caal it up here in
GeordieLand.

I'd seen these all my life, on and off, and never used them -- they
looked too scruffy for my pristine kitchen.

Well, I tried one of these out and by god it works miracles. Not only
that: they're indestructible; I'm still using the first one out of the
pack. And there are "1001 uses" for a keen DIYer.

Apologies, if that's what you've already tried, and also to any
long-time aficionados of the steel pan-scrub, so long shunned by myself.

John

Malcolm Stewart

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"Grunff" <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote in message
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> Lobster wrote:
>> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
>> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
>> below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing. Should
>> caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too? (Can't
>> remember my 0-level chemistry!)
>>
> However, if it is charred to the point of being little more than carbon,
> you may be better off with an organic solvent - ether (sold as carb
> cleaner) works well for carbon deposits.
>
> I'd try the sodium hydroxide first.


If the OP isn't too clued on on "O" Level chemistry, suggesting the use of
< ether > in a kitchen could lead to very interesting and dangerous(?)
results.

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Dave Fawthrop

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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:52:12 GMT, Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com>
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We soak burnt pans in hot water with washing powder, bio or non bio makes
no difference. Perhaps a quick scrape to finish the job.
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Fill pan with water and put in an improbably large amount of dishwasher
powder (like 1/2 a mug full or more)

Bring to the boil.

If after 15 minutes the water has turned a disgusting shade of brown you are
making progress. Discard contents and repeat above until the pan is
gleaming.

David H.

Lobster

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Actually I am indeed an aficionado of that very pan-scrub, and if I
could find one I'd be using it now! We used to use one called
(perversely) "Goldilocks" but haven't seen them for ages. Current model
is totally useless - pseudometal plastic of some sort.

David

Mary Fisher

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"Lobster" <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
> below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing. Should
> caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too? (Can't remember
> my 0-level chemistry!)
>
> If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
> adversely affected?
>
> David

When I used to burn food in metal pans (haven't done it for years) there was
an easy solution. I did it with aluminium, stainless steel, copper and iron.

Put the pan, empty, on the hottest burner you have. The carbon (that's what
the burnt food has turned to) will burn to carbon dioxide and leave the
metal cleaner than it's been since new.

It won't be shiny but that's not important. You can bring up a shine
mechanically if you like but what's the point?

WARNING: don't do it with a pan with any kind of coating - 'non-stick',
teflon, anodised, enamel - ANYTHING.

Mary


Geo

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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:18:27 GMT, Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com>
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>I thought They banned aluminium in cooking pots sometime ago cos it gave
>you Alzheimer's? Or did I dream that one?

I used to know the answer...

Dave Baker

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> "Grunff" <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote in message
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>> Guy King wrote:
>>
>> > SS will be fine, aluminium and its alloys will fizz merrily and
>> > disappear.
>>
>> Several people have mentioned aluminium - I don't think I've ever seen
>> an aluminium pan - are they (still) used? Where can you buy them? Are
>> they just plain aluminium?
>>
>>
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> Most aluminium pots and pans were collected in 1940 to make Spitfires.

Mine wasn't. I have an old aluminium pan and an aluminium pressure cooker
both inherited from the four bears. Can't say either of them get much use
but they don't appear to have done me any harm. I know that because I can
still ummm, sorry what was the question again?
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Jonathan Telfer

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Lobster wrote:

> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
> below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing.
> Should caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too? (Can't
> remember my 0-level chemistry!)
>
> If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
> adversely affected?
>
> David

I saw those women on TV use coke (the drink) to clean a pan. Poured a litre
or so in and heated gently. To get it working well I think you'll need to
fully rinse any alkali off first though.

Be sure to report back - I'd be interested to hear if it works as well as
it looked.

Jon

Dave Plowman (News)

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In article <44fef624$0$29546$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>,

Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> When I used to burn food in metal pans (haven't done it for years) there
> was an easy solution. I did it with aluminium, stainless steel, copper
> and iron.

> Put the pan, empty, on the hottest burner you have. The carbon (that's
> what the burnt food has turned to) will burn to carbon dioxide and
> leave the metal cleaner than it's been since new.

It's easy to melt aluminium on a gas ring. Not SS, though - it will just
go blue.

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Mary Fisher

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> In article <44fef624$0$29546$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> When I used to burn food in metal pans (haven't done it for years) there
>> was an easy solution. I did it with aluminium, stainless steel, copper
>> and iron.
>
>> Put the pan, empty, on the hottest burner you have. The carbon (that's
>> what the burnt food has turned to) will burn to carbon dioxide and
>> leave the metal cleaner than it's been since new.
>
> It's easy to melt aluminium on a gas ring. Not SS, though - it will just
> go blue.

Neither has happened to me and I've got them glowing.

Mary
>


Dave Plowman (News)

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Grunff <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote:
> Several people have mentioned aluminium - I don't think I've ever seen
> an aluminium pan - are they (still) used? Where can you buy them? Are
> they just plain aluminium?

IIRC, they were the first type to have a non stick coating. And still
readily available today - aluminium gives a much more even spread of heat
over the entire pan.

http://www.cookware.co.uk/shop/Cookware/T304ProAnodised/d1/sd70

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
>
> Neither has happened to me and I've got them glowing.

Aluminium melts before it glows.
Most likely, you have an alloy.

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John Armstrong

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I tried it last week, worked fine. This was just discolouration in the
bottom of a stainless steel pan, rather than burnt on food though.
Mythbusters explored the various uses of coke too, and found it was better
at cleaning chrome than chrome cleaner was. Cheapest nastiest asda own
brand was what I used.

Jason

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"Lobster" <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
> below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing. Should
> caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too? (Can't remember
> my 0-level chemistry!)
>
> If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
> adversely affected?

I got some burnt rice off a SS pan the other day, by boiling some diluted
household amonia for a five minutes in it. The amonia gas was driven off
completely in that time, but I was able to remove the burnt rice with a
plastic brush after that.

-- JJ


Guy King

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> I got some burnt rice off a SS pan the other day, by boiling some diluted
> household amonia for a five minutes in it. The amonia gas was driven off
> completely in that time, but I was able to remove the burnt rice with a
> plastic brush after that.

How did it taste?

chris French

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>"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> The message <44fea7df$0$639$bed6...@news.gradwell.net>
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>> > Several people have mentioned aluminium - I don't think I've ever seen
>> > an aluminium pan - are they (still) used? Where can you buy them? Are
>> > they just plain aluminium?
>>
>> Plenty about. Many cheap frying pans still are aluminium, and lots of
>> older saucepans.
>>
>> --
>> Skipweasel
>> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
>
>=========================
>There was a strong suggestion about 20 years ago that the use of aluminium
>cooking vessels was a contributory cause of Alzheimer's disease.

> I don't know
>whether anything was fully proved

Rather the opposite really

I don't think there was ever a strong suggestion scientifically, but it
seemed to catch media/public attention. In 1997 the WHO declared that al
wasn't health risk for those not exposed to it at work, and no evidence
that it was primary cause of Alzheimer's. And anyway, the amount of Al
that gets into food through cooking in contact with Al is very low.
Though it's best not to use it with highly acidic foods as it can taint
the food.

> but I know many people discarded their
>aluminium pots and pans in favour of stainless or Teflon. Apparently aluminium
>pressure cookers were regarded as safe because cooking was done by steam rather
>than by being immersed in boiling water.

I've got an Al pressure cooker and couple of uncoated Al pans I picked
up along the way somewhere. My Mum still has and uses her set of Swan
pans she has had for ever AFAIK. New EU regs came in in I think 2004 tht
I think effectively bans uncoated Aluminum.

I much prefer much good quaity anodised and non-stick Al pans to
Stainless steel ones.
--
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Dave Fawthrop

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On 06 Sep 2006 20:32:06 GMT, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel)
wrote:

Almost nobody uses pure aluminium for anything, it is much too soft and
ductile. I had no end of trouble getting some 99% aluminium sheet for a
project. Pans will be some recycled alloy, I believe that alloy from
ships is very good.

Mary Fisher

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>>
>>=========================
>>There was a strong suggestion about 20 years ago that the use of aluminium
>>cooking vessels was a contributory cause of Alzheimer's disease.
>
>> I don't know
>>whether anything was fully proved
>
> Rather the opposite really
>
> I don't think there was ever a strong suggestion scientifically, but it
> seemed to catch media/public attention.

When post mortems were done on people who had died with Alzheimer's they
were sometimes found to have small collections of aluminium salts in their
brain.

That was the only link.

The media made the most of it - as they do - and the public mostly believe
what they see on tv so it became a fact.

Some other corpses also had the aluminium in their brain, by the way ...

Mary


Cicero

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Recent news items have suggested that Alzheimer's disease can be prevented by
drinking orange juice several times a week. I wonder if the orange juice clears
the aluminium from the brain.

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> =======================
> Recent news items have suggested that Alzheimer's disease can be prevented
> by
> drinking orange juice several times a week. I wonder if the orange juice
> clears
> the aluminium from the brain.

I hope orange juice doesn't get into my brain!

Mary
>


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It's an organic brain-washer - very good for you.

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> I hope orange juice doesn't get into my brain!

Florida on my mind?

Steve Firth

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Sep 7, 2006, 5:49:25 PM9/7/06
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:44:14 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

> I hope orange juice doesn't get into my brain!

Indeed not, it might start a precedent if something got in there after so
many years of vacuum.

Lobster

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Sep 7, 2006, 6:10:51 PM9/7/06
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Cicero wrote:
> "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:45007b10$0$29547$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
>> "chris French" <newspos...@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:S43Mn4LrZ1$EN...@blackhole.familyfrench.co.uk...
>>>> ========================= There was a strong suggestion about
>>>> 20 years ago that the use of aluminium cooking vessels was a
>>>> contributory cause of Alzheimer's disease. I don't know
>>>> whether anything was fully proved
>>> Rather the opposite really
>>>
>>> I don't think there was ever a strong suggestion scientifically,
>>> but it seemed to catch media/public attention.
>> When post mortems were done on people who had died with Alzheimer's
>> they were sometimes found to have small collections of aluminium
>> salts in their brain.
>>
>> That was the only link.
>>
>> The media made the most of it - as they do - and the public mostly
>> believe what they see on tv so it became a fact.
>>
>> Some other corpses also had the aluminium in their brain, by the
>> way ...

> Recent news items have suggested that Alzheimer's disease can be


> prevented by drinking orange juice several times a week. I wonder if
> the orange juice clears the aluminium from the brain.

What would happen if you drank your orange juice from an aluminium cup?

David

Ian Stirling

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Sep 7, 2006, 6:37:29 PM9/7/06
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Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <44ff2cdd$0$29544$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> Neither has happened to me and I've got them glowing.
>
> Aluminium melts before it glows.

It will glow slightly.

This is practically guaranteed to bugger a 'bimetalic' pan too.

The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 7, 2006, 7:15:39 PM9/7/06
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Lobster wrote:
> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
> below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing. Should
> caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too? (Can't
> remember my 0-level chemistry!)
>
> If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
> adversely affected?
>
> David

Its a start.

I have never ever got the bright sheen back on really burned SS, but
caustic, wire wool, and elbow grease gets MOST of the utility back, if
not the nice appearance.

The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 7, 2006, 7:16:47 PM9/7/06
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Grunff wrote:
> Lobster wrote:
>> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
>> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is
>> OK below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing.
>> Should caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too?
>> (Can't remember my 0-level chemistry!)
>>
>> If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
>> adversely affected?
>
> Yes, you can certainly give it a try, it won't damage the pan. Whether
> it will work is a different matter - that will depend on the type of
> deposit.
>
> If it's still relatively high in organic content, the sodium hydroxide
> should do a good job on it. However, if it is charred to the point of
> being little more than carbon, you may be better off with an organic
> solvent - ether (sold as carb cleaner) works well for carbon deposits.

I've never found anything other than elbow grease and abrasive that
works on really solid carbon deposits

>
> I'd try the sodium hydroxide first.
>
>

Mary Fisher

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"Cicero" <shel...@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Cicero" <shel...@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:la%Lg.15436$r61....@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >
>>
>> > =======================
>> > Recent news items have suggested that Alzheimer's disease can be
>> > prevented
>> > by
>> > drinking orange juice several times a week. I wonder if the orange
>> > juice
>> > clears
>> > the aluminium from the brain.
>>
>> I hope orange juice doesn't get into my brain!
>>
>> Mary
>> >
>>
>>
> ===========================
> It's an organic brain-washer - very good for you.

that sounds like the voice of experience.


Mary Fisher

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Sep 8, 2006, 5:03:30 AM9/8/06
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <4500849f$0$29539$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>
> from "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> I hope orange juice doesn't get into my brain!
>
> Florida on my mind?

Not for me, thanks :-)

Mary

sherr...@gmail.com

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Sep 8, 2006, 7:40:03 AM9/8/06
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Enzyme May Help Fight Alzheimer's

In tests with mice and fruit flies, an enzyme appeared to both
eliminate the tangles and reduce the brain's decline. Much of
Alzheimer's research has focused on so-called amyloid plaques, a
buildup of proteins inside the brain between cells that appears to
contribute to dementia. It's not clear if tangles hurt brain cells or
are just a symptom of a dementia problem. The point is that they're
totally correlated with neurodegeneration in Alzheimer's disease, and
in a number of other dementias.

i got this information from
http://medical-health-care-information.com/Health-news/9-8-Enzyme-May-Help-Fight-Alzheimer's.htm
i would like to share it with others because i fid it useful.

Richard Tobin

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Sep 8, 2006, 10:44:20 AM9/8/06
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In article <44feaf44$0$19652$8826...@free.teranews.com>,
Malcolm Stewart <malcolm...@megalith.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>If the OP isn't too clued on on "O" Level chemistry, suggesting the use of
>< ether > in a kitchen could lead to very interesting and dangerous(?)
>results.

Be sure to use the luminiferous stuff.

-- Richard

Richard Tobin

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Sep 8, 2006, 10:46:14 AM9/8/06
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In article <78yLg.7370$0i4....@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>,
Lobster <davidlobs...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I thought They banned aluminium in cooking pots sometime ago cos it gave
>you Alzheimer's? Or did I dream that one?

I think you dreamt it. I don't think there was ever any real evidence
that aluminium from cookware got into your body.

Anodized aluminium pots are widely available.

-- Richard

Mary Fisher

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Sep 8, 2006, 12:47:07 PM9/8/06
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"Richard Tobin" <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Ether's heavier than air so open the door and it will find its way out.

Mary
>
> -- Richard


Jason

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Sep 9, 2006, 4:10:38 AM9/9/06
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <ySGLg.10031$H03....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> from "Jason" <jud...@acadweb.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> I got some burnt rice off a SS pan the other day, by boiling some diluted
>> household amonia for a five minutes in it. The amonia gas was driven off
>> completely in that time, but I was able to remove the burnt rice with a
>> plastic brush after that.
>
> How did it taste?

Lovely. A bit like chicken. Left out in the Sun. For a week.


Jason

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Sep 9, 2006, 4:13:42 AM9/9/06
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"Jonathan Telfer" <j...@stanley.localdomain> wrote in message
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> Lobster wrote:
>
>> Trying to resurrect a pan (s/steel I think?) which is comprehensively
>> caked in burnt-on residue (long story, don't ask). Think the pan is OK
>> below the crud but a two-day soak and pan scrub is doing nothing.
>> Should caustic soda be OK to use, or might the pan dissolve too? (Can't
>> remember my 0-level chemistry!)
>>
>> If it's not stainless steel might it be something else that might be
>> adversely affected?
>>
>> David
>
> I saw those women on TV use coke (the drink) to clean a pan. Poured a
> litre
> or so in and heated gently. To get it working well I think you'll need to
> fully rinse any alkali off first though.

That one works great to get tea stains out of a stainless steel mug. Leave
the coke in overnight, and the tanin just melts off.

-- JJ


Guy King

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Sep 9, 2006, 5:25:28 AM9/9/06
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The message <2GuMg.25555$H03....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>

from "Jason" <jud...@acadweb.co.uk> contains these words:

> > How did it taste?

> Lovely. A bit like chicken.

Everything tastes "A bit like chicken".

Dave Plowman (News)

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Sep 9, 2006, 6:21:09 AM9/9/06
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In article <3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk>,

Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > How did it taste?

> > Lovely. A bit like chicken.

> Everything tastes "A bit like chicken".

Apart from proper chicken, obviously.

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Mary Fisher

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Sep 9, 2006, 8:13:31 AM9/9/06
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <2GuMg.25555$H03....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> from "Jason" <jud...@acadweb.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> > How did it taste?
>
>> Lovely. A bit like chicken.
>
> Everything tastes "A bit like chicken".

I bet most people haven't tasted real chicken. We'll be killing a young
cockerel soon, now that won't taste like anything else!

Mary

Dave Liquorice

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Sep 9, 2006, 9:07:58 AM9/9/06
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:21:09 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>>> Lovely. A bit like chicken.
>>
>> Everything tastes "A bit like chicken".
>
> Apart from proper chicken, obviously.

Which tastes of fish.

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The Natural Philosopher

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Sep 9, 2006, 9:50:51 AM9/9/06
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:21:09 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>>> Lovely. A bit like chicken.
>>> Everything tastes "A bit like chicken".
>> Apart from proper chicken, obviously.
>
> Which tastes of fish.
>
Only battery reared stuff reared on fishmeal does.

You want a PROPER chicken that lives on seeds and worms for REAL flavour.

Guy King

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Sep 9, 2006, 10:39:21 AM9/9/06
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The message <4502afec$0$29546$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>

from "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> I bet most people haven't tasted real chicken. We'll be killing a young

> cockerel soon, now that won't taste like anything else!

<Humph mode ON>
And Samantha's looking forward to a mouthful of nice young cock.
<Humph mode OFF>

Mary Fisher

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Sep 9, 2006, 11:18:52 AM9/9/06
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <4502afec$0$29546$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>
> from "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> I bet most people haven't tasted real chicken. We'll be killing a young
>> cockerel soon, now that won't taste like anything else!
>
> <Humph mode ON>
> And Samantha's looking forward to a mouthful of nice young cock.
> <Humph mode OFF>

I'm hoping to go to Leeds Town Hall, he's playing with Acker Bilk. We say
him playing with himself last year.

Mary

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Sep 9, 2006, 11:37:37 AM9/9/06
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember din...@codesmiths.com saying
something like:

>Owing to concerns over alloy quality, almost none of the pans were ever
>used for Spitfires. For years there was a large dump of them (Welsh
>quarry somewhere?)

Which seems daft. If a wing fell off, the pilot had a 'chute. Besides,
there were plenty of other uses for recycled ally in non-critical apps,
like radio chassis.
--

Dave

lloyd

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Jan 17, 2023, 1:02:41 PM1/17/23
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Lots of old ones still around

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Lloyd P

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Jan 17, 2023, 1:02:42 PM1/17/23
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I can't remember, but I use aluminum pans!

farter

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Jan 17, 2023, 1:40:01 PM1/17/23
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:02:38 +1100, lloyd
<a2233c1f2ec38768...@example.com> wrote:

> Lots of old ones still around

Lots of ancient posts like this one on that steaming turd of a web site
too.

Only 16 years old.

Peeler

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:39:44 +1100, farter, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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Brian Gaff

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Jan 18, 2023, 8:02:18 AM1/18/23
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Yes it is apparently not so obvious that the year is long ago for the
sighted as it is for us blindies. I don't think after all this time that the
system which allows it to be part of Usenet should be enabled. It is clearly
not very well designed and I bet the fixes are trivial, IE words to the
effect that you should check the date of the original post, and that you
need to quote the post manually and not attempt to send pictures if you want
your queries to be taken seriously on systems other than inside the
website.


Brian

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Rod Speed

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Jan 18, 2023, 12:59:47 PM1/18/23
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Brian Gaff <brian...@gmail.com> wrote

> Yes it is apparently not so obvious that the year is long ago for the
> sighted as it is for us blindies.

> I don't think after all this time that the
> system which allows it to be part of Usenet should be enabled.

There is no mechanism to decide that. Anyone is free to do what
they like usenet wise.

> It is clearly
> not very well designed

Just as true of plenty of usenet clients and that's essentially what it is.

Groups.google is even more fucked in many ways.

> and I bet the fixes are trivial, IE words to the
> effect that you should check the date of the original post, and that you
> need to quote the post manually and not attempt to send pictures if you
> want
> your queries to be taken seriously on systems other than inside the
> website.

Most would just ignore those words.

Peeler

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 04:59:27 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

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