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Nick
Apr 30, 2015, 3:03:44 PM4/30/15
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My brother has recently let a house to some rather pernickety folk.
The front door, 6 panel hardwood, has hairline cracks through two of the
panels. The cracks are dead straight and obviously where the glue joint
between the two boards has failed when the timber shrank.
Cracks are less than 1mm in width. No way to fit a sliver of wood in the
gap.
New tenants are moaning about this and want a new door. This to me seems way
ott.
I was thinking of mixing up some fine sandings (of similar colour) with pva
and possibly water then applying this to the cracks. Clean off and allow to
dry. Then lightly sand as reqd and apply matching finish.
Do you think this is a goer or have any alternative suggestion?
Thanks,
Nick.
The front door, 6 panel hardwood, has hairline cracks through two of the
panels. The cracks are dead straight and obviously where the glue joint
between the two boards has failed when the timber shrank.
Cracks are less than 1mm in width. No way to fit a sliver of wood in the
gap.
New tenants are moaning about this and want a new door. This to me seems way
ott.
I was thinking of mixing up some fine sandings (of similar colour) with pva
and possibly water then applying this to the cracks. Clean off and allow to
dry. Then lightly sand as reqd and apply matching finish.
Do you think this is a goer or have any alternative suggestion?
Thanks,
Nick.
Phil L
Apr 30, 2015, 3:39:57 PM4/30/15
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"Nick" <nick...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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tell them they can get a new one fitted provided it meets your
specifications.
If you are intending filling it, just buy some mahogany / oak / whatever
coloured wood filler and fill it, sand it and give it a coat of whatever
it's stained with now
michael adams
Apr 30, 2015, 4:07:49 PM4/30/15
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> My brother has recently let a house to some rather pernickety folk.
> The front door, 6 panel hardwood, has hairline cracks through two of the panels. The
> cracks are dead straight and obviously where the glue joint between the two boards has
> failed when the timber shrank.
Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
> The front door, 6 panel hardwood, has hairline cracks through two of the panels. The
> cracks are dead straight and obviously where the glue joint between the two boards has
> failed when the timber shrank.
into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or unpainted
wood which may appear at the side.
This is also something to take into account when painting panel
doors. Don't paint over the joins if this will hinder movement
in the panels.
If you don't believe me check it out on the web.
michael adams
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Jonno
Apr 30, 2015, 4:20:51 PM4/30/15
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Nick scribbled
Tell 'em to fuck off.
Tim Watts
Apr 30, 2015, 4:25:56 PM4/30/15
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And tell the tenants to shut up. Wood moves. If the gap is filled its
fine. Sigh. Some people....
Mr Pounder Esquire
Apr 30, 2015, 4:42:51 PM4/30/15
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then yes, tell them to fuck off.
If you don't, they will be looking at hairline cracks in the ceiling next.
>
>
>
Nick Odell
Apr 30, 2015, 4:46:01 PM4/30/15
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if he can't persuade the two faces to butt up, the technique involves
planing a long, tapered shaving of wood from a matching or similar
piece, straightening out the curl and teasing it, thin edge first,
into the gap. That's not the way I'd fix a door, though.
But I agree with the others on here: those pernickety folk can leave
as soon as their agreement expires if they don't like it. Unless there
is a clause about door-cracks in the contract. Or unless this is one
of those thousand-pounds-a-week-type luxury lets where everything
ought to be totally impeccable and they are within their rights to
complain.
Nick
Andrew Gabriel
Apr 30, 2015, 5:57:10 PM4/30/15
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In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
> This is also something to take into account when painting panel
> doors. Don't paint over the joins if this will hinder movement
> in the panels.
If you want to paint a panelled door, buy a molded one rather than
a real one. Likewise, don't varnish them, but stain or wax instead,
so the timber can continue to move.
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Andrew Gabriel
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"michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>
> "Nick" <nick...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cqfckc...@mid.individual.net...
>> My brother has recently let a house to some rather pernickety folk.
>> The front door, 6 panel hardwood, has hairline cracks through two of the panels. The
>> cracks are dead straight and obviously where the glue joint between the two boards has
>> failed when the timber shrank.
>
> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or unpainted
> wood which may appear at the side.
... is the right answer.
>
> "Nick" <nick...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cqfckc...@mid.individual.net...
>> My brother has recently let a house to some rather pernickety folk.
>> The front door, 6 panel hardwood, has hairline cracks through two of the panels. The
>> cracks are dead straight and obviously where the glue joint between the two boards has
>> failed when the timber shrank.
>
> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or unpainted
> wood which may appear at the side.
They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
> This is also something to take into account when painting panel
> doors. Don't paint over the joins if this will hinder movement
> in the panels.
a real one. Likewise, don't varnish them, but stain or wax instead,
so the timber can continue to move.
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Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
Capitol
Apr 30, 2015, 6:02:45 PM4/30/15
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ss
Apr 30, 2015, 7:17:43 PM4/30/15
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problems but not aesthetics, if they want to replace the door (their
expense) then it will be inspected after installation and if it does not
come up to standard they will pay for a replacement.
Brian Gaff
May 1, 2015, 3:06:01 AM5/1/15
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That depends on how long you want it to last and whether its exposed to sun
and frost.
I notice on my old door this and other things like split paint around the
edges of the beading keep on happening after about a year or so of this
temperature cycling. the door is fine otherwise of course.
Brian
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and frost.
I notice on my old door this and other things like split paint around the
edges of the beading keep on happening after about a year or so of this
temperature cycling. the door is fine otherwise of course.
Brian
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fred
May 1, 2015, 4:23:13 AM5/1/15
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In article <mhu8dm$ah8$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
<use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
don't think it would.
Treating the panels like panes of glass and bedding them in silicone
might.
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fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .
<use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
>In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>
>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or unpainted
>> wood which may appear at the side.
>
>... is the right answer.
>They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>
How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>
>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or unpainted
>> wood which may appear at the side.
>
>... is the right answer.
>They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>
don't think it would.
Treating the panels like panes of glass and bedding them in silicone
might.
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .
The Natural Philosopher
May 1, 2015, 4:58:27 AM5/1/15
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On 01/05/15 09:23, fred wrote:
> In article <mhu8dm$ah8$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
> <use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
>> In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>>
>>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or
>>> unpainted
>>> wood which may appear at the side.
>>
>> ... is the right answer.
>
>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>>
> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
> don't think it would.
It does.
> In article <mhu8dm$ah8$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
> <use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
>> In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>>
>>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or
>>> unpainted
>>> wood which may appear at the side.
>>
>> ... is the right answer.
>
>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>>
> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
> don't think it would.
>
> Treating the panels like panes of glass and bedding them in silicone might.
>
--
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stuart noble
May 1, 2015, 5:11:17 AM5/1/15
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On 01/05/2015 08:06, Brian Gaff wrote:
> That depends on how long you want it to last and whether its exposed to sun
> and frost.
> I notice on my old door this and other things like split paint around the
> edges of the beading keep on happening after about a year or so of this
> temperature cycling. the door is fine otherwise of course.
> Brian
>
The filler suggested by the OP doesn't work visually. Same wood, so it
> That depends on how long you want it to last and whether its exposed to sun
> and frost.
> I notice on my old door this and other things like split paint around the
> edges of the beading keep on happening after about a year or so of this
> temperature cycling. the door is fine otherwise of course.
> Brian
>
should, but actually it will stand out like a sore thumb.
The best filler IME is
> http://www.restexpress.co.uk/acatalog/Liberon_Wax_Filler_Sticks.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjwyIyqBRD4janGs5e67IsBEiQAoF8DGqUy-8vww1efCM-gPkz1Wb68ojUwB0OnysWWA6S7uX8aAq6U8P8HAQ
partly because it's easy to get an exact colour match, plus you can
quickly trim flush with a sharp chisel
fred
May 1, 2015, 6:40:14 AM5/1/15
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In article <mhvf7h$8tv$1...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>> Treating the panels like panes of glass and bedding them in silicone might.
>
>get a mastic frame sealer that is dark brown
>
That is a different solution from a loose fit and was basically what I
was advocating.
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 01/05/15 09:23, fred wrote:
>> In article <mhu8dm$ah8$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
>> <use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
>>> In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>>>
>>>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>>>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>>>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or
>>>> unpainted
>>>> wood which may appear at the side.
>>>
>>> ... is the right answer.
>>
>>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>>>
>> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
>> don't think it would.
>
>It does.
>
The recommendation was for a loose fit which clearly would not.
>> In article <mhu8dm$ah8$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
>> <use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
>>> In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>>>
>>>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>>>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>>>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or
>>>> unpainted
>>>> wood which may appear at the side.
>>>
>>> ... is the right answer.
>>
>>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>>>
>> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
>> don't think it would.
>
>It does.
>
>> Treating the panels like panes of glass and bedding them in silicone might.
>
>get a mastic frame sealer that is dark brown
>
was advocating.
Dave Liquorice
May 1, 2015, 7:43:05 AM5/1/15
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On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:23:03 +0100, fred wrote:
>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature
changes
>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>
> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
> don't think it would.
Panels are still a snug fit and not otherwise fixed. If the wood
>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature
changes
>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>
> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
> don't think it would.
wants to move it WILL move. A little bit of paint or varnish ain't
going to stop it. See Mr Gaff's post.
--
Cheers
Dave.
The Natural Philosopher
May 2, 2015, 6:47:54 AM5/2/15
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On 01/05/15 11:40, fred wrote:
> In article <mhvf7h$8tv$1...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 01/05/15 09:23, fred wrote:
>>> In article <mhu8dm$ah8$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
>>> <use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
>>>> In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>>>>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>>>>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or
>>>>> unpainted
>>>>> wood which may appear at the side.
>>>>
>>>> ... is the right answer.
>>>
>>>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>>>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>>>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>>>>
>>> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
>>> don't think it would.
>>
>> It does.
>>
> The recommendation was for a loose fit which clearly would not.
your statement is entirely false.
> In article <mhvf7h$8tv$1...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 01/05/15 09:23, fred wrote:
>>> In article <mhu8dm$ah8$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
>>> <use...@cucumber.me.uk> writes
>>>> In article <mhu20k$j1h$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> "michael adams" <mjad...@ukonline.co.k> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Panels in panelled doors are supposed to be a loose fit - they fit
>>>>> into grooves to allow for shrinkage and expansion. So that when the
>>>>> wood shrinks the only problem should be a strip of unstained or
>>>>> unpainted
>>>>> wood which may appear at the side.
>>>>
>>>> ... is the right answer.
>>>
>>>> They expand and contract every time humidity and temperature changes
>>>> the moisture content in the timber. Paint or varnish at the panel
>>>> edges will stop the panels working as they were intended to.
>>>>
>>> How would that work with an external door subject to driving rain? I
>>> don't think it would.
>>
>> It does.
>>
> The recommendation was for a loose fit which clearly would not.
First of all the ability of water to penetrate is down to the path
length and width and the wind velocity. If these are in fact beyond some
lints the water never gets to te other side,.
Secondly a sliding fit is not a loose fit. Its just not tight enough to
split the wood.
I have 3 solid oak doors that are made with T&G panels with no glue
involved and no water gets through.
>
>>> Treating the panels like panes of glass and bedding them in silicone
>>> might.
>>
>> get a mastic frame sealer that is dark brown
>>
> That is a different solution from a loose fit and was basically what I
> was advocating.
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