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mogga
Dec 12, 2013, 2:12:58 PM12/12/13
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We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
antennas on the top.
What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
old ones too.
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antennas on the top.
What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
old ones too.
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Davey
Dec 12, 2013, 2:38:36 PM12/12/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000
mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
Where I lived in the States, they were so that a speeding Police
mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
Cruiser or Fire Engine could signal them on approach to turn green in
its favour.
Or it could be some remote control, allowing individual shut-off,
instead of block by block.
Or, if you see black helicopters marked 'GCHQ' hanging around, they
could be something else entirely.......
There was also a local experiment in the US to provide WiFi for
residents, and they used street light poles to hold the antennae, but
the whole scheme foundered and died. The equipment is probably still
there, if anybody wants it.
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The Other John
Dec 12, 2013, 2:47:20 PM12/12/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000, mogga wrote:
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
TOJ.
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Nightjar
Dec 12, 2013, 3:31:35 PM12/12/13
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On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? ...
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
Mind control - time for the tin foil hat.
Colin Bignell
Adrian C
Dec 12, 2013, 3:39:20 PM12/12/13
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On 12/12/2013 19:38, Davey wrote:
> There was also a local experiment in the US to provide WiFi for
> residents, and they used street light poles to hold the antennae, but
> the whole scheme foundered and died. The equipment is probably still
> there, if anybody wants it.
>
Westminster council offer free wireless access in Central London using
> There was also a local experiment in the US to provide WiFi for
> residents, and they used street light poles to hold the antennae, but
> the whole scheme foundered and died. The equipment is probably still
> there, if anybody wants it.
>
wireless access points mounted on lamp post. This is with BT, they use
an SSID of BTWiFi and the service is not that fast (well, it's free).
Now some hospitality buildings I visit also have their guest wireless
provided by BT, and it's the same BTWifi SSID name that's advertised to
use. That one is faster (sometimes upto 20Mbps), but occasionaly I come
across a guest that's unwittedly connected to the lamp post outside the
window, and they are complaining that it's slow. Such fun :-|
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Roger Mills
Dec 12, 2013, 3:41:51 PM12/12/13
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On 12/12/2013 19:38, Davey wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000
> mogga<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>
>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>> antennas on the top.
>>
>> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetector same as the
> mogga<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>
>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>> antennas on the top.
>>
>> old ones too.
>
> Where I lived in the States, they were so that a speeding Police
> Cruiser or Fire Engine could signal them on approach to turn green in
> its favour.
Er . . the OP was asking about street lights, not traffic lights.
>
> Where I lived in the States, they were so that a speeding Police
> Cruiser or Fire Engine could signal them on approach to turn green in
> its favour.
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Dec 12, 2013, 3:57:45 PM12/12/13
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c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk says...
Sensors.
When a micro-chipped dog gets too close, the base of the lamp post
generates a static charge.
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c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk says...
When a micro-chipped dog gets too close, the base of the lamp post
generates a static charge.
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Tim Watts
Dec 12, 2013, 4:41:10 PM12/12/13
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I want to see a whole street be a Cylon!
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Cursitor Doom
Dec 12, 2013, 5:23:19 PM12/12/13
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seamless replacement by use of the 'distress signals' they emit in the RF
spectrum shortly before failure. These signals are visible on handheld
spectrum analyers which can be driven around in vans checking the
'health' of such lamps; the antennas enable the distress signals to be
detected from further away, thereby shortening the route taken.
mogga
Dec 12, 2013, 5:27:07 PM12/12/13
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mogga
Dec 12, 2013, 5:29:29 PM12/12/13
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They've done them over in New Moston already - and there is some radio
interference on our street on the bit near there. Having read today
what frequency these radio things work at then it might be them
causing problems with people's car alarm fob things. Although worrying
as there aren't lights desperately close to the affected part of the
road.
Someone has been in touch with Ofcom already about this interference
and we're waiting to see what they find.
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mogga
Dec 12, 2013, 5:30:15 PM12/12/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:47:20 GMT, The Other John <nom...@here.org>
wrote:
So how much does that bit of the system cost? Does it balance out the
savings in energy at some point over the life of the PFI? (25 years)
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savings in energy at some point over the life of the PFI? (25 years)
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mogga
Dec 12, 2013, 5:32:38 PM12/12/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
wrote:
>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>
>
>Let the hacking being!
Is that possible?
>
>I want to see a whole street be a Cylon!
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wrote:
>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>
>
>Let the hacking being!
>
>I want to see a whole street be a Cylon!
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Matty F
Dec 12, 2013, 5:40:20 PM12/12/13
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On Friday, December 13, 2013 11:23:19 AM UTC+13, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> There's a new system coming out for early detection of failing lamps for
> seamless replacement by use of the 'distress signals' they emit in the RF
> spectrum shortly before failure. These signals are visible on handheld
> spectrum analyers which can be driven around in vans checking the
> 'health' of such lamps; the antennas enable the distress signals to be
> detected from further away, thereby shortening the route taken.
Here in NZ we need a lot of light houses, some on small offshore islands. Even when they became automated, they still needed their lights changed and fuel supplies.
> There's a new system coming out for early detection of failing lamps for
> seamless replacement by use of the 'distress signals' they emit in the RF
> spectrum shortly before failure. These signals are visible on handheld
> spectrum analyers which can be driven around in vans checking the
> 'health' of such lamps; the antennas enable the distress signals to be
> detected from further away, thereby shortening the route taken.
So an ingenious person designed solar powered lighthouses, and that have five lights on a rotating mechanism. When a light fails, it automatically changes to a new bulb. So every few years somebody puts some new bulbs in place. But there's no urgency to do that.
Why don't they have street lights that change their own bulbs? OK, someone will steal them.
mogga
Dec 12, 2013, 5:43:48 PM12/12/13
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out?
(Which in itself saves energy whilst lamps aren't coming on)
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/planning/guides/mobilephonemasts/networks/basestations
Are they the equivalent of picocells or microcells?
do they require separate planning?
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Mike Tomlinson
Dec 12, 2013, 5:48:16 PM12/12/13
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En el art�culo <2k2ka9hr9fcebnvlt...@4ax.com>, mogga
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> escribi�:
>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>antennas on the top.
>
>What is it for?
It's so they can be switched on and off remotely.
There's also an area here undergoing testing where the lights are dimmed
to half brightness after midnight. Unfortunately, the control gear
doesn't seem to be too reliable - about half of them have died
altogether. Suppose it still achieves the objective of saving money...
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(")_(")
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> escribi�:
>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>antennas on the top.
>
>What is it for?
There's also an area here undergoing testing where the lights are dimmed
to half brightness after midnight. Unfortunately, the control gear
doesn't seem to be too reliable - about half of them have died
altogether. Suppose it still achieves the objective of saving money...
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alan
Dec 12, 2013, 6:39:02 PM12/12/13
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On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
>
New generation of miniature speed/number plate cameras mounted in the
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
>
lamp post that transmit the pictures directly back to base. They will
also be used to enforce parking restrictions 24/365.
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dennis@home
Dec 12, 2013, 6:47:41 PM12/12/13
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On 12/12/2013 23:39, alan wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>> antennas on the top.
>>
>> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>> old ones too.
>>
>
> New generation of miniature speed/number plate cameras mounted in the
> lamp post that transmit the pictures directly back to base. They will
> also be used to enforce parking restrictions 24/365.
>
>
I thought they were RFI tag readers so they can track the compulsory ID
> On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>> antennas on the top.
>>
>> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>> old ones too.
>>
>
> New generation of miniature speed/number plate cameras mounted in the
> lamp post that transmit the pictures directly back to base. They will
> also be used to enforce parking restrictions 24/365.
>
>
cards coming soon.
Tim Watts
Dec 12, 2013, 7:07:29 PM12/12/13
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On Thursday 12 December 2013 22:32 mogga wrote in uk.d-i-y:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>
>>
>>Let the hacking being!
>
> Is that possible?
>
Probably...
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>
>>
>>Let the hacking being!
>
> Is that possible?
>
Davey
Dec 12, 2013, 7:29:22 PM12/12/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:41:51 +0000
Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 19:38, Davey wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000
> > mogga<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have
> >> little antennas on the top.
> >>
> >> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetector same
> >> as the old ones too.
> >
> > Where I lived in the States, they were so that a speeding Police
> > Cruiser or Fire Engine could signal them on approach to turn green
> > in its favour.
>
> Er . . the OP was asking about street lights, not traffic lights.
True. Senior moment.
Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 19:38, Davey wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000
> > mogga<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have
> >> little antennas on the top.
> >>
> >> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetector same
> >> as the old ones too.
> >
> > Where I lived in the States, they were so that a speeding Police
> > Cruiser or Fire Engine could signal them on approach to turn green
> > in its favour.
>
> Er . . the OP was asking about street lights, not traffic lights.
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mogga
Dec 13, 2013, 3:03:10 AM12/13/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:48:16 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
<mi...@jasper.org.uk> wrote:
>En el art�culo <2k2ka9hr9fcebnvlt...@4ax.com>, mogga
><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> escribi�:
>
>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>antennas on the top.
>>
>>What is it for?
>
>It's so they can be switched on and off remotely.
From where?
<mi...@jasper.org.uk> wrote:
>En el art�culo <2k2ka9hr9fcebnvlt...@4ax.com>, mogga
><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> escribi�:
>
>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>antennas on the top.
>>
>>What is it for?
>
>It's so they can be switched on and off remotely.
>
>There's also an area here undergoing testing where the lights are dimmed
>to half brightness after midnight. Unfortunately, the control gear
>doesn't seem to be too reliable - about half of them have died
>altogether. Suppose it still achieves the objective of saving money...
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Artic
Dec 13, 2013, 3:24:55 AM12/13/13
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mogga scribbled...
You know the tories have been selling off frequencies to mobile
companies some of which are buggering up everything close by?
eg
http://amdram.co.uk/articles/radio-mic-frequency-sell-off/
companies some of which are buggering up everything close by?
eg
http://amdram.co.uk/articles/radio-mic-frequency-sell-off/
Ian Jackson
Dec 13, 2013, 3:39:29 AM12/13/13
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In message <52aa4b1e$0$50725$c3e8da3$92d0...@news.astraweb.com>,
"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes
ID cards? Old technology. We'll all have compulsory RFID implants.
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mogga
Dec 13, 2013, 4:09:49 AM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:24:55 -0000, Artic <me@bum'ole.cum> wrote:
>
>You know the tories have been selling off frequencies to mobile
>companies some of which are buggering up everything close by?
>
>eg
>http://amdram.co.uk/articles/radio-mic-frequency-sell-off/
Interesting!
>
>You know the tories have been selling off frequencies to mobile
>companies some of which are buggering up everything close by?
>
>eg
>http://amdram.co.uk/articles/radio-mic-frequency-sell-off/
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Mike Tomlinson
Dec 13, 2013, 5:20:54 AM12/13/13
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In article <epfla9d4dktigfvha...@4ax.com>, mogga
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> writes
>
>From where?
Dunno. Just says "centrally controlled"
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/4534406._Smart__street_lamps_trial_for
_Wirral_gets_the_green_light/?
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9229986.Go_ahead_given_for_computer_co
ntrolled_street_lamps/
I've tried and failed to find a link on Wirral Council's website. I do
remember seeing one at the time and have contacted them to see if they
can come up with it.
The trial wasn't entirely successful, I think, as a lot of the new
control gear seemed to fail prematurely.
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> writes
>
>From where?
Dunno. Just says "centrally controlled"
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/4534406._Smart__street_lamps_trial_for
_Wirral_gets_the_green_light/?
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9229986.Go_ahead_given_for_computer_co
ntrolled_street_lamps/
I've tried and failed to find a link on Wirral Council's website. I do
remember seeing one at the time and have contacted them to see if they
can come up with it.
The trial wasn't entirely successful, I think, as a lot of the new
control gear seemed to fail prematurely.
mogga
Dec 13, 2013, 6:08:34 AM12/13/13
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Have a friend who reckons if they're centrally controlled then it'll
need an ofcom licence...
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Brian Gaff
Dec 13, 2013, 6:12:14 AM12/13/13
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Yes I noticed this.
Maybe they can phone home to let them know the bulb blew?
Brian
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Maybe they can phone home to let them know the bulb blew?
Brian
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mogga
Dec 13, 2013, 6:14:13 AM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:12:14 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
<Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Yes I noticed this.
> Maybe they can phone home to let them know the bulb blew?
>
>Brian
How far are they sending a signal and how much does it cost?
<Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Yes I noticed this.
> Maybe they can phone home to let them know the bulb blew?
>
>Brian
The logical thing for a council to do is wait til people report a
street light is out. If no one does then it's not needed.
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Brian Gaff
Dec 13, 2013, 6:17:23 AM12/13/13
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Well, could someone explain what these look like? I did see some lamps with
a couple of spiky things on the top, well a friend spotted them, and the guy
who was fitting it told us they were to stop pigeons pooping on the
photocells, which I find hard to believe myself.
If they are they would need to have 10,000 volts on them and we wouldno
doubt find the birds falling on our heads dead as we walked down the street,
as these birds are incredibly stupid on one level, ie perching on dangerous
things.
news:T1cyDDEB...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk...
a couple of spiky things on the top, well a friend spotted them, and the guy
who was fitting it told us they were to stop pigeons pooping on the
photocells, which I find hard to believe myself.
If they are they would need to have 10,000 volts on them and we wouldno
doubt find the birds falling on our heads dead as we walked down the street,
as these birds are incredibly stupid on one level, ie perching on dangerous
things.
Brian
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mogga
Dec 13, 2013, 6:20:58 AM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:39:29 +0000, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>I thought they were RFI tag readers so they can track the compulsory ID
>>cards coming soon.
>
>ID cards? Old technology. We'll all have compulsory RFID implants.
Enough to make you paranoid..
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>I thought they were RFI tag readers so they can track the compulsory ID
>>cards coming soon.
>
>ID cards? Old technology. We'll all have compulsory RFID implants.
http://www.oldham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1765/rochdale_and_oldham_joint_street_lighting_final_business_case
section three is all blanked out!
(remote monitoring and switching)
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newshound
Dec 13, 2013, 6:21:05 AM12/13/13
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mogga
Dec 13, 2013, 6:37:15 AM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:17:23 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
<Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Well, could someone explain what these look like? I did see some lamps with
>a couple of spiky things on the top, well a friend spotted them, and the guy
>who was fitting it told us they were to stop pigeons pooping on the
>photocells, which I find hard to believe myself.
> If they are they would need to have 10,000 volts on them and we wouldno
>doubt find the birds falling on our heads dead as we walked down the street,
>as these birds are incredibly stupid on one level, ie perching on dangerous
>things.
> Brian
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/11351514855/
<Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Well, could someone explain what these look like? I did see some lamps with
>a couple of spiky things on the top, well a friend spotted them, and the guy
>who was fitting it told us they were to stop pigeons pooping on the
>photocells, which I find hard to believe myself.
> If they are they would need to have 10,000 volts on them and we wouldno
>doubt find the birds falling on our heads dead as we walked down the street,
>as these birds are incredibly stupid on one level, ie perching on dangerous
>things.
> Brian
That should work.
You might not notice if you didn't suddenly have one outside your
window.
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mogga
Dec 13, 2013, 6:38:56 AM12/13/13
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one
Night inspection of lights controlled by the central management system
would no longer be required, as faulty lights would be reported by the
computer.
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/4534406._Smart__street_lamps_trial_for/
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Tim Watts
Dec 13, 2013, 11:41:30 AM12/13/13
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On Friday 13 December 2013 11:37 mogga wrote in uk.d-i-y:
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:17:23 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
> <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Well, could someone explain what these look like?
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/11351514855/
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:17:23 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
> <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Well, could someone explain what these look like?
(Brian's blind BTW)
It looks like a little ( 10cm ) WIFI antenna - short, stubby and plastic
looking, sticking up vertically from the very top of the lamp casing.
Tim Watts
Dec 13, 2013, 11:42:53 AM12/13/13
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On Friday 13 December 2013 09:35 Huge wrote in uk.d-i-y:
> On 2013-12-12, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Let the hacking being!
>>
>> Is that possible?
>
> SCADA systems are usually poorly protected.
And if "they" cannot apply solid network security to pumping stations and
the like, I very much doubt if anyone has bothered much about some street
lamps!
One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
> On 2013-12-12, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Let the hacking being!
>>
>> Is that possible?
>
And if "they" cannot apply solid network security to pumping stations and
the like, I very much doubt if anyone has bothered much about some street
lamps!
One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 11:43:40 AM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:12:14 -0000, Brian Gaff <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes I noticed this.
> Maybe they can phone home to let them know the bulb blew?
>
> Brian
Maybe it's just to control the timer?
> Yes I noticed this.
> Maybe they can phone home to let them know the bulb blew?
>
> Brian
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Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 11:44:30 AM12/13/13
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Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 11:45:29 AM12/13/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:15:33 -0000, Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:47:20 GMT, The Other John <nom...@here.org>
> wrote:
>
> We have them here also (West Cornwall). Many years ago, say in the
> early 1960's, the street lights here were switched on from a control
> centre in Redruth. A pulsing audio-frequency signal was sent through
> the mains supply (about 1 pulse per second IIRC), which set a sort of
> balance-wheel arrangement oscillating in the control box in the
> lamp-post, until the amplitude got large enough to close a contact,
> switching on an individual light or short sections of lights. The
> slight variation in characteristics of the oscillating switch meant
> that the lights didn't all come on together, but over a period of a
> few seconds, so reducing the sudden drain on the mains supply, AIUI. I
> used to have a Cossor CR100 communications receiver*, and obviously
> something in the power supply wasn't very well screened, as I could
> always hear when the street lights were being switched on. There was a
> greatly enlarged model of this oscillating switch on display in the
> Science Museum, which worked when you pressed one of the buttons that
> were on every display case.
>
> * http://www.shopingathome.com/images/B28.jpg
Adding crap to the mains supply is not a good idea, as you found out.
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Sheep can hear a zipper at 500 yds....
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:47:20 GMT, The Other John <nom...@here.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000, mogga wrote:
>>
>>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>> antennas on the top.
>>>
>>> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>>> old ones too.
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000, mogga wrote:
>>
>>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>> antennas on the top.
>>>
>>> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>>> old ones too.
>>
>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>
>> TOJ.
>>
>
> We have them here also (West Cornwall). Many years ago, say in the
> early 1960's, the street lights here were switched on from a control
> centre in Redruth. A pulsing audio-frequency signal was sent through
> the mains supply (about 1 pulse per second IIRC), which set a sort of
> balance-wheel arrangement oscillating in the control box in the
> lamp-post, until the amplitude got large enough to close a contact,
> switching on an individual light or short sections of lights. The
> slight variation in characteristics of the oscillating switch meant
> that the lights didn't all come on together, but over a period of a
> few seconds, so reducing the sudden drain on the mains supply, AIUI. I
> used to have a Cossor CR100 communications receiver*, and obviously
> something in the power supply wasn't very well screened, as I could
> always hear when the street lights were being switched on. There was a
> greatly enlarged model of this oscillating switch on display in the
> Science Museum, which worked when you pressed one of the buttons that
> were on every display case.
>
> * http://www.shopingathome.com/images/B28.jpg
Adding crap to the mains supply is not a good idea, as you found out.
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Sheep can hear a zipper at 500 yds....
chris French
Dec 13, 2013, 11:35:30 AM12/13/13
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In message <fasla9pd1l9a78fga...@4ax.com>, mogga
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> writes
Driving through today I paid a bit more attention to them and noticed
that whilst they had what I had assumed was a photocell type lump on
top, there was an aerial type thing sticking out of the top of that as
well
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Chris French
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> writes
>On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:17:23 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
><Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Well, could someone explain what these look like? I did see some lamps with
>>a couple of spiky things on the top, well a friend spotted them, and the guy
>>who was fitting it told us they were to stop pigeons pooping on the
>>photocells, which I find hard to believe myself.
>> If they are they would need to have 10,000 volts on them and we wouldno
>>doubt find the birds falling on our heads dead as we walked down the street,
>>as these birds are incredibly stupid on one level, ie perching on dangerous
>>things.
>> Brian
>
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/11351514855/
>
>That should work.
>
They installed new lights along the main road in a nearby village,
><Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Well, could someone explain what these look like? I did see some lamps with
>>a couple of spiky things on the top, well a friend spotted them, and the guy
>>who was fitting it told us they were to stop pigeons pooping on the
>>photocells, which I find hard to believe myself.
>> If they are they would need to have 10,000 volts on them and we wouldno
>>doubt find the birds falling on our heads dead as we walked down the street,
>>as these birds are incredibly stupid on one level, ie perching on dangerous
>>things.
>> Brian
>
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/11351514855/
>
>That should work.
>
Driving through today I paid a bit more attention to them and noticed
that whilst they had what I had assumed was a photocell type lump on
top, there was an aerial type thing sticking out of the top of that as
well
--
Chris French
Tim Watts
Dec 13, 2013, 11:44:30 AM12/13/13
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mesh network - so in the best case, each one only has to reach as far as the
next, or the one after that in the case of single unit failure.
Occasionally one would have a proper uplink.
Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 11:46:59 AM12/13/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:40:20 -0000, Matty F <matty...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> On Friday, December 13, 2013 11:23:19 AM UTC+13, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> There's a new system coming out for early detection of failing lamps for
>> seamless replacement by use of the 'distress signals' they emit in the RF
>> spectrum shortly before failure. These signals are visible on handheld
>> spectrum analyers which can be driven around in vans checking the
>> 'health' of such lamps; the antennas enable the distress signals to be
>> detected from further away, thereby shortening the route taken.
>
> Here in NZ we need a lot of light houses, some on small offshore islands. Even when they became automated, they still needed their lights changed and fuel supplies.
> So an ingenious person designed solar powered lighthouses, and that have five lights on a rotating mechanism. When a light fails, it automatically changes to a new bulb. So every few years somebody puts some new bulbs in place. But there's no urgency to do that.
> Why don't they have street lights that change their own bulbs? OK, someone will steal them.
Lighthouses are way more important than streetlamps. I would imagine that system costs a lot.
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> On Friday, December 13, 2013 11:23:19 AM UTC+13, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> There's a new system coming out for early detection of failing lamps for
>> seamless replacement by use of the 'distress signals' they emit in the RF
>> spectrum shortly before failure. These signals are visible on handheld
>> spectrum analyers which can be driven around in vans checking the
>> 'health' of such lamps; the antennas enable the distress signals to be
>> detected from further away, thereby shortening the route taken.
>
> Here in NZ we need a lot of light houses, some on small offshore islands. Even when they became automated, they still needed their lights changed and fuel supplies.
> So an ingenious person designed solar powered lighthouses, and that have five lights on a rotating mechanism. When a light fails, it automatically changes to a new bulb. So every few years somebody puts some new bulbs in place. But there's no urgency to do that.
> Why don't they have street lights that change their own bulbs? OK, someone will steal them.
Lighthouses are way more important than streetlamps. I would imagine that system costs a lot.
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Sensitivity - The politically correct term for political correctness.
Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 11:47:34 AM12/13/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:43:48 -0000, mogga <d...@nospampleasemogga.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:23:19 +0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
> <c...@notterriblyvalid.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:31:35 +0000, Nightjar wrote:
> out?
> (Which in itself saves energy whilst lamps aren't coming on)
>
> http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/planning/guides/mobilephonemasts/networks/basestations
> Are they the equivalent of picocells or microcells?
> do they require separate planning?
We need some here. Reception is poor and 3G is only possible 50% of the time and at a slow speed.
--
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The operator asks "How many people are flying with you?"
Paddy replies "I don't know! It’s your flipping plane!"
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:23:19 +0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
> <c...@notterriblyvalid.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:31:35 +0000, Nightjar wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
>>>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>>> antennas on the top.
>>>>
>>> On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
>>>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>>> antennas on the top.
>>>>
>>>> What is it for? ...
>>>
>>> Mind control - time for the tin foil hat.
>>>
>>> Colin Bignell
>>
>>>
>>> Mind control - time for the tin foil hat.
>>>
>>> Colin Bignell
>>
>> There's a new system coming out for early detection of failing lamps for
>> seamless replacement by use of the 'distress signals' they emit in the RF
>> spectrum shortly before failure. These signals are visible on handheld
>> spectrum analyers which can be driven around in vans checking the
>> 'health' of such lamps; the antennas enable the distress signals to be
>> detected from further away, thereby shortening the route taken.
>
>
> And that costs more than waiting for people to complain a light is
>> seamless replacement by use of the 'distress signals' they emit in the RF
>> spectrum shortly before failure. These signals are visible on handheld
>> spectrum analyers which can be driven around in vans checking the
>> 'health' of such lamps; the antennas enable the distress signals to be
>> detected from further away, thereby shortening the route taken.
>
>
> out?
> (Which in itself saves energy whilst lamps aren't coming on)
>
> http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/planning/guides/mobilephonemasts/networks/basestations
> Are they the equivalent of picocells or microcells?
> do they require separate planning?
We need some here. Reception is poor and 3G is only possible 50% of the time and at a slow speed.
--
Paddy calls Easyjet to book a flight.
The operator asks "How many people are flying with you?"
Paddy replies "I don't know! It’s your flipping plane!"
Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 11:49:00 AM12/13/13
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Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 11:49:33 AM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:42:53 -0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> On Friday 13 December 2013 09:35 Huge wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 2013-12-12, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let the hacking being!
>>>
>>> Is that possible?
>>
>> SCADA systems are usually poorly protected.
>
>
> And if "they" cannot apply solid network security to pumping stations and
> the like, I very much doubt if anyone has bothered much about some street
> lamps!
>
> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
You don't want to be able to hack your own meter?
> On Friday 13 December 2013 09:35 Huge wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 2013-12-12, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let the hacking being!
>>>
>>> Is that possible?
>>
>> SCADA systems are usually poorly protected.
>
>
> And if "they" cannot apply solid network security to pumping stations and
> the like, I very much doubt if anyone has bothered much about some street
> lamps!
>
> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
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Adam Funk
Dec 13, 2013, 11:55:51 AM12/13/13
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On 2013-12-12, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <i1eka9tfpk3539ue8...@4ax.com>, mogga
><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:57:45 -0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <Dr-dnQ-nGo6xgDfP...@giganews.com>,
>> >c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk says...
>> >
>> >When a micro-chipped dog gets too close, the base of the lamp post
>> >generates a static charge.
>>
>> That'd be interesting to see!
>
> What, a static charge in the dog? Extra! Several MegaVolts I hope.
The dog gets charged when it discharges.
> In article <i1eka9tfpk3539ue8...@4ax.com>, mogga
><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:57:45 -0000, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <Dr-dnQ-nGo6xgDfP...@giganews.com>,
>> >c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk says...
>> >>
>> >> On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
>> >> > We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>> >> > antennas on the top.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is it for? ...
>> >>
>> >> Mind control - time for the tin foil hat.
>> >>
>> >Sensors.
>> >> On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
>> >> > We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>> >> > antennas on the top.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is it for? ...
>> >>
>> >> Mind control - time for the tin foil hat.
>> >>
>> >
>> >When a micro-chipped dog gets too close, the base of the lamp post
>> >generates a static charge.
>>
>> That'd be interesting to see!
>
> What, a static charge in the dog? Extra! Several MegaVolts I hope.
The dog gets charged when it discharges.
Tim Watts
Dec 13, 2013, 12:06:52 PM12/13/13
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On Friday 13 December 2013 16:49 Uncle Peter wrote in uk.d-i-y:
> You don't want to be able to hack your own meter?
I suspect the only options available are "disconnect supply" and "reconnect
> You don't want to be able to hack your own meter?
supply" and I can do that with a big red switch.
I very much doubt there is a "deduct X units from the reading" API command.
Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 12:13:14 PM12/13/13
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> On Friday 13 December 2013 16:49 Uncle Peter wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> You don't want to be able to hack your own meter?
>
> I suspect the only options available are "disconnect supply" and "reconnect
> supply" and I can do that with a big red switch.
>
> I very much doubt there is a "deduct X units from the reading" API command.
Surely you could change the pence per unit?
>
>> You don't want to be able to hack your own meter?
>
> I suspect the only options available are "disconnect supply" and "reconnect
> supply" and I can do that with a big red switch.
>
> I very much doubt there is a "deduct X units from the reading" API command.
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Tim Watts
Dec 13, 2013, 12:29:13 PM12/13/13
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On Friday 13 December 2013 17:13 Uncle Peter wrote in uk.d-i-y:
> Surely you could change the pence per unit?
Because you're such a trolling nobber, I'll say this once for the avoidance
> Surely you could change the pence per unit?
of doubt:
Meters don't know the price per unit.
Dave W
Dec 13, 2013, 12:50:38 PM12/13/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com>
The're radio controlled, and report back provided they haven't failed.
They're also dimmed at night to save money. I think there are a few
master lights which do the two-way communication, and they each
control several slave lights.
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wrote:
>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>antennas on the top.
>
>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>antennas on the top.
>
>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>old ones too.
They've recently replaced all the lights here in Epsom similarly.
>old ones too.
The're radio controlled, and report back provided they haven't failed.
They're also dimmed at night to save money. I think there are a few
master lights which do the two-way communication, and they each
control several slave lights.
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Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 12:54:17 PM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:29:13 -0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net> wrote:
> On Friday 13 December 2013 17:13 Uncle Peter wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>
>> Surely you could change the pence per unit?
>
> Because you're such a trolling nobber, I'll say this once for the avoidance
> of doubt:
Correction, I'm someone who has opinions that differ from most of the group.
> On Friday 13 December 2013 17:13 Uncle Peter wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>
>> Surely you could change the pence per unit?
>
> Because you're such a trolling nobber, I'll say this once for the avoidance
> of doubt:
> Meters don't know the price per unit.
I guess what you need to do is to stop the meter sending a signal and put your own signal in to tell them you've used a smaller amount.
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Dec 13, 2013, 2:06:06 PM12/13/13
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then touch its nose to the back of one of our legs. The resulting human
response was enjoyed by the dog. Who says they don't have emotions?
--
Davey.
Sam Plusnet
Dec 13, 2013, 3:26:18 PM12/13/13
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In article <npqrnax...@news.ducksburg.com>, a24...@ducksburg.com
says...
And then goes charging off.
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Sam
says...
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Sam
Artic
Dec 13, 2013, 3:39:10 PM12/13/13
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dennis@home
Dec 13, 2013, 6:10:05 PM12/13/13
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On 13/12/2013 16:42, Tim Watts wrote:
> On Friday 13 December 2013 09:35 Huge wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 2013-12-12, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let the hacking being!
>>>
>>> Is that possible?
>>
>> SCADA systems are usually poorly protected.
>
>
> And if "they" cannot apply solid network security to pumping stations and
> the like, I very much doubt if anyone has bothered much about some street
> lamps!
>
> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>
Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
> On Friday 13 December 2013 09:35 Huge wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 2013-12-12, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:41:10 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> They are remote controlled and dim-able, we've got them too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let the hacking being!
>>>
>>> Is that possible?
>>
>> SCADA systems are usually poorly protected.
>
>
> And if "they" cannot apply solid network security to pumping stations and
> the like, I very much doubt if anyone has bothered much about some street
> lamps!
>
> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>
Graham.
Dec 13, 2013, 6:26:37 PM12/13/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:29:13 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
wrote:
>On Friday 13 December 2013 17:13 Uncle Peter wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>
>> Surely you could change the pence per unit?
>
>Because you're such a trolling nobber, I'll say this once for the avoidance
>of doubt:
>
>Meters don't know the price per unit.
>
Perhaps he's still putting shillings in his.
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
wrote:
>On Friday 13 December 2013 17:13 Uncle Peter wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>
>> Surely you could change the pence per unit?
>
>Because you're such a trolling nobber, I'll say this once for the avoidance
>of doubt:
>
>Meters don't know the price per unit.
>
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Uncle Peter
Dec 13, 2013, 6:32:54 PM12/13/13
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Tim Watts
Dec 14, 2013, 3:25:20 AM12/14/13
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They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
tony sayer
Dec 14, 2013, 6:11:30 AM12/14/13
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In article <2k2ka9hr9fcebnvlt...@4ax.com>, mogga
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
for lighting remote control!...
http://www.telensa.com/
http://www.telensa.com/systems-products/telecells-and-modules/
--
Tony Sayer
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>antennas on the top.
>
>antennas on the top.
>
>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>old ones too.
Here yer go, a new street light system using the olde 868 MHz channels
>old ones too.
for lighting remote control!...
http://www.telensa.com/
http://www.telensa.com/systems-products/telecells-and-modules/
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
Dec 14, 2013, 6:16:26 AM12/14/13
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In article <t1eka9lktuo92ik8j...@4ax.com>, mogga
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
tech and they won't be on all the time just now and again like most all
other 868 MHz devices.
Such licence exempt devices have to accommodate the possibility of
interference...
Ofcom let the use of power line adapters happen for wi-fi use so I
rather doubt they'd be interested in this problem if indeed there is one
..
--
Tony Sayer
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
>>On 12/12/2013 19:12, mogga wrote:
>>> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>> antennas on the top.
>>>
>>> antennas on the top.
>>>
>>> What is it for? ...
>>
>>Mind control - time for the tin foil hat.
>>
>>
>>Mind control - time for the tin foil hat.
>>
>>Colin Bignell
>
>Yes I suspected that'd be an answer from someone!
>
>They've done them over in New Moston already - and there is some radio
>interference on our street on the bit near there. Having read today
>what frequency these radio things work at then it might be them
>causing problems with people's car alarm fob things. Although worrying
>as there aren't lights desperately close to the affected part of the
>road.
>Someone has been in touch with Ofcom already about this interference
>and we're waiting to see what they find.
As alluded to elsewhere they use the 868 MHz band and very narrowband
>
>Yes I suspected that'd be an answer from someone!
>
>They've done them over in New Moston already - and there is some radio
>interference on our street on the bit near there. Having read today
>what frequency these radio things work at then it might be them
>causing problems with people's car alarm fob things. Although worrying
>as there aren't lights desperately close to the affected part of the
>road.
>Someone has been in touch with Ofcom already about this interference
>and we're waiting to see what they find.
tech and they won't be on all the time just now and again like most all
other 868 MHz devices.
Such licence exempt devices have to accommodate the possibility of
interference...
Ofcom let the use of power line adapters happen for wi-fi use so I
rather doubt they'd be interested in this problem if indeed there is one
..
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
Dec 14, 2013, 6:19:40 AM12/14/13
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In article <pkqla9h5chm5mjc5o...@4ax.com>, mogga
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
>On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:20:54 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
><mi...@jasper.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <epfla9d4dktigfvha...@4ax.com>, mogga
>><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> writes
>>>
>>>From where?
>>
>>Dunno. Just says "centrally controlled"
>>
>>http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/4534406._Smart__street_lamps_trial_for
>>_Wirral_gets_the_green_light/?
>>
>>http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9229986.Go_ahead_given_for_computer_co
>>ntrolled_street_lamps/
>>
>>I've tried and failed to find a link on Wirral Council's website. I do
>>remember seeing one at the time and have contacted them to see if they
>>can come up with it.
>>
>>The trial wasn't entirely successful, I think, as a lot of the new
>>control gear seemed to fail prematurely.
>
>Ta chuck!
>Have a friend who reckons if they're centrally controlled then it'll
>need an ofcom licence...
Nope .. they use a licence exempt frequency just like your wi-fi and
car keyfob wireless doorbell and thermostat...etc ..Etc..
--
Tony Sayer
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
>On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:20:54 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
><mi...@jasper.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <epfla9d4dktigfvha...@4ax.com>, mogga
>><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> writes
>>>
>>>From where?
>>
>>Dunno. Just says "centrally controlled"
>>
>>http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/4534406._Smart__street_lamps_trial_for
>>_Wirral_gets_the_green_light/?
>>
>>http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9229986.Go_ahead_given_for_computer_co
>>ntrolled_street_lamps/
>>
>>I've tried and failed to find a link on Wirral Council's website. I do
>>remember seeing one at the time and have contacted them to see if they
>>can come up with it.
>>
>>The trial wasn't entirely successful, I think, as a lot of the new
>>control gear seemed to fail prematurely.
>
>Ta chuck!
>Have a friend who reckons if they're centrally controlled then it'll
>need an ofcom licence...
Nope .. they use a licence exempt frequency just like your wi-fi and
car keyfob wireless doorbell and thermostat...etc ..Etc..
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mogga
Dec 14, 2013, 6:31:43 AM12/14/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:44:30 -0000, "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>> No it does actually say it on one of the links - perhaps the Wirral
>> one
>>
>> Night inspection of lights controlled by the central management system
>> would no longer be required, as faulty lights would be reported by the
>> computer.
>> http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/4534406._Smart__street_lamps_trial_for/
>
>Why not wait for complaints? I emailed my council when the light here went out, they replaced the bulb in 2 days.
Indeed. This is how I've always done it. Make their life easy by
>>
>> No it does actually say it on one of the links - perhaps the Wirral
>> one
>>
>> Night inspection of lights controlled by the central management system
>> would no longer be required, as faulty lights would be reported by the
>> computer.
>> http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/4534406._Smart__street_lamps_trial_for/
>
>Why not wait for complaints? I emailed my council when the light here went out, they replaced the bulb in 2 days.
including the post number when you let them know too. :)
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mogga
Dec 14, 2013, 6:35:17 AM12/14/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:41:30 +0000, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
wrote:
>On Friday 13 December 2013 11:37 mogga wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>(Brian's blind BTW)
>
Ah
I had looked for a photo on t'internet but couldn't find one so a
photo was the easiest option. Yes I know there's probably loads but I
didn't find one.
>It looks like a little ( 10cm ) WIFI antenna - short, stubby and plastic
>looking, sticking up vertically from the very top of the lamp casing.
Yeah I guess it does look a bit like the aerial off the router.
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wrote:
>On Friday 13 December 2013 11:37 mogga wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:17:23 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
>> <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Well, could someone explain what these look like?
>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/11351514855/
>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:17:23 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
>> <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Well, could someone explain what these look like?
>
>
>(Brian's blind BTW)
>
Ah
I had looked for a photo on t'internet but couldn't find one so a
photo was the easiest option. Yes I know there's probably loads but I
didn't find one.
>It looks like a little ( 10cm ) WIFI antenna - short, stubby and plastic
>looking, sticking up vertically from the very top of the lamp casing.
Yeah I guess it does look a bit like the aerial off the router.
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mogga
Dec 14, 2013, 6:36:28 AM12/14/13
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:50:38 +0000, Dave W <dave...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com>
>wrote:
>
>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>antennas on the top.
>>
>>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>>old ones too.
>
>They've recently replaced all the lights here in Epsom similarly.
>The're radio controlled, and report back provided they haven't failed.
>They're also dimmed at night to save money. I think there are a few
>master lights which do the two-way communication, and they each
>control several slave lights.
Someone asked the workmen and they reckon these lights aren't
dimmable.
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wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com>
>wrote:
>
>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>antennas on the top.
>>
>>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>>old ones too.
>
>They've recently replaced all the lights here in Epsom similarly.
>The're radio controlled, and report back provided they haven't failed.
>They're also dimmed at night to save money. I think there are a few
>master lights which do the two-way communication, and they each
>control several slave lights.
dimmable.
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mogga
Dec 14, 2013, 6:36:58 AM12/14/13
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:11:30 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:
I have asked the council for info on the RF they'll be using.
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DerbyBorn
Dec 14, 2013, 6:38:27 AM12/14/13
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tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in news:xdtvZ0Di...@bancom.co.uk:
> http://www.telensa.com/systems-products/telecells-and-modules/
Round our way we have got lights with a magic eye on the top that can see
when it is getting dark and it switches the lamp on - then in the morning
it sees that the sky is getting light and turns it off. I don't think the
idea has much of a future though - it is too simple.
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> http://www.telensa.com/systems-products/telecells-and-modules/
Round our way we have got lights with a magic eye on the top that can see
when it is getting dark and it switches the lamp on - then in the morning
it sees that the sky is getting light and turns it off. I don't think the
idea has much of a future though - it is too simple.
--
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mogga
Dec 14, 2013, 6:42:30 AM12/14/13
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:38:27 GMT, DerbyBorn <Some...@Nearhome.com>
wrote:
Assuming that all these lamps being put in are brand new and shiny
then how long are they expected to last? How long will the bulbs last?
All sounds like a PFI delight for someone to sell something that no
one needs.
From the telensa page:
identify and understand lamp failures immediately
reduce night maintenance inspections
eliminate day burners
improve public service
reduce repair times
extend range of information available e.g. to include mains supply
performance
create alerts for performance outside stated limit
measure energy usage for billing purposes and confirm energy
savings
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wrote:
then how long are they expected to last? How long will the bulbs last?
All sounds like a PFI delight for someone to sell something that no
one needs.
From the telensa page:
identify and understand lamp failures immediately
reduce night maintenance inspections
eliminate day burners
improve public service
reduce repair times
extend range of information available e.g. to include mains supply
performance
create alerts for performance outside stated limit
measure energy usage for billing purposes and confirm energy
savings
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Uncle Peter
Dec 14, 2013, 6:43:31 AM12/14/13
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--
How to start a fight, number 46:
Wait till a bunch of girls walk past a phone box.
Phone the phone box.
When one answers, ask to speak to the ugliest one they've got.
Chris J Dixon
Dec 14, 2013, 7:21:57 AM12/14/13
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post shown, you just need to click on the right one. They seem to
respond pretty efficiently too.
Chris
--
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ch...@cdixon.me.uk
Plant amazing Acers.
Uncle Peter
Dec 14, 2013, 7:27:30 AM12/14/13
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:21:57 -0000, Chris J Dixon <ch...@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> mogga wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:44:30 -0000, "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not wait for complaints? I emailed my council when the light here went out, they replaced the bulb in 2 days.
>>
>> Indeed. This is how I've always done it. Make their life easy by
>> including the post number when you let them know too. :)
>
> In our area you go on line and get a street map with every lamp
> post shown, you just need to click on the right one. They seem to
> respond pretty efficiently too.
I think streetlights are a waste of money. My car has headlights.
> mogga wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:44:30 -0000, "Uncle Peter" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not wait for complaints? I emailed my council when the light here went out, they replaced the bulb in 2 days.
>>
>> Indeed. This is how I've always done it. Make their life easy by
>> including the post number when you let them know too. :)
>
> In our area you go on line and get a street map with every lamp
> post shown, you just need to click on the right one. They seem to
> respond pretty efficiently too.
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Peter Johnson
Dec 14, 2013, 8:24:17 AM12/14/13
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:12:58 +0000, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com>
wrote:
wrote:
>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>antennas on the top.
>
>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>old ones too.
Descriptions of a system currently being installed in Leicester which
>antennas on the top.
>
>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>old ones too.
also explains the logic behind the changeover programme:
http://news.leicester.gov.uk/newsArchiveDetail.aspx?Id=2147
http://www.leicester.gov.uk/your-council-services/transport-traffic/highways/street-lighting/white-light-energy-saving/
tim......
Dec 14, 2013, 8:32:33 AM12/14/13
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"Mike Tomlinson" <mi...@jasper.org.uk> wrote in message
news:llcqdoBw...@jasper.org.uk...
> En el art�culo <2k2ka9hr9fcebnvlt...@4ax.com>, mogga
> <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> escribi�:
>
>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>antennas on the top.
>>
>>What is it for?
>
> It's so they can be switched on and off remotely.
>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>antennas on the top.
>>
>>What is it for?
>
and report back to base when they are "broken". Apparently, it costs less
to pay extra for all the electronics in the lamps than send a man around
once week to check. (Except the checking probably got "cut")
they communicate using a Zigbee mesh network, if you wanna look that up
tim
tim......
Dec 14, 2013, 8:36:05 AM12/14/13
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"mogga" <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote in message
news:amgoa951alhdmo0bo...@4ax.com...
He won't have any more knowledge and the answer will be just as useless to
you (cos the standard used is decided by the system manufacturer, not the
council)
tim
tim......
Dec 14, 2013, 8:36:52 AM12/14/13
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"DerbyBorn" <Some...@Nearhome.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA296766CFE541Tr...@81.171.92.236...
tim
tony sayer
Dec 14, 2013, 8:38:56 AM12/14/13
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In article <XnsA296766CFE541Tr...@81.171.92.236>,
DerbyBorn <Some...@Nearhome.com> scribeth thus
Well thats been the way of it for donkeys years, but the idea is now to
make then controllable switching them and dimming them etc...
--
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DerbyBorn <Some...@Nearhome.com> scribeth thus
make then controllable switching them and dimming them etc...
--
Tony Sayer
tony sayer
Dec 14, 2013, 8:41:26 AM12/14/13
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In article <amgoa951alhdmo0bo...@4ax.com>, mogga
the system they sell that uses licence exempt frequencies so in many
ways makes it all simpler to implement, and won't use that much RF
"time" and bandwidth..
Course everyone will now blame them for everything that ails their
modern connected world;(..
--
Tony Sayer
<d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
>On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:11:30 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <2k2ka9hr9fcebnvlt...@4ax.com>, mogga
>><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
>>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>>antennas on the top.
>>>
>>>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>>>old ones too.
>>
>>
>>Here yer go, a new street light system using the olde 868 MHz channels
>>for lighting remote control!...
>>
>>
>>http://www.telensa.com/
>>
>>
>>http://www.telensa.com/systems-products/telecells-and-modules/
>
>
>I have asked the council for info on the RF they'll be using.
I rather doubt they'd know the company above have done at lot of work on
>On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:11:30 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <2k2ka9hr9fcebnvlt...@4ax.com>, mogga
>><d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> scribeth thus
>>>We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
>>>antennas on the top.
>>>
>>>What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
>>>old ones too.
>>
>>
>>Here yer go, a new street light system using the olde 868 MHz channels
>>for lighting remote control!...
>>
>>
>>http://www.telensa.com/
>>
>>
>>http://www.telensa.com/systems-products/telecells-and-modules/
>
>
>I have asked the council for info on the RF they'll be using.
the system they sell that uses licence exempt frequencies so in many
ways makes it all simpler to implement, and won't use that much RF
"time" and bandwidth..
Course everyone will now blame them for everything that ails their
modern connected world;(..
--
Tony Sayer
Gazz
Dec 14, 2013, 9:11:56 AM12/14/13
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> From the telensa page:
> extend range of information available e.g. to include mains supply
> performance
> create alerts for performance outside stated limit
post then.
mogga
Dec 14, 2013, 10:06:43 AM12/14/13
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The programme will cost of �13.8million and is due to be completed by
February 2016. Once complete, the new LED lamps will help the council
reduce the energy cost of the city's street lighting by at least 57
per cent, and help cut carbon emissions by over 5,300 tons each year.
Street lighting currently costs the city council �2million each year.
Based on estimated savings of about �1.2million per year, the street
lamp replacement project is expected to pay for itself in just over
ten years.
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mogga
Dec 14, 2013, 10:30:13 AM12/14/13
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John Williamson
Dec 14, 2013, 10:34:06 AM12/14/13
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On 14/12/2013 15:06, mogga wrote:
> Street lighting currently costs the city council �2million each year.
> Based on estimated savings of about �1.2million per year, the street
> lamp replacement project is expected to pay for itself in just over
> ten years.
>
>
In five years, there will be another new way to save money, so these
> Street lighting currently costs the city council �2million each year.
> Based on estimated savings of about �1.2million per year, the street
> lamp replacement project is expected to pay for itself in just over
> ten years.
>
>
will all have to be ripped out and replaced Or they'll discover that the
LED lamps make people blind, or....
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
dennis@home
Dec 14, 2013, 11:56:24 AM12/14/13
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On 14/12/2013 08:25, Tim Watts wrote:
> On Friday 13 December 2013 23:10 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 13/12/2013 16:42, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>>> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>>>
>>
>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>
> Who said anything about "the Internet".
>
> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
>
They can use wet string but they don't.
> On Friday 13 December 2013 23:10 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 13/12/2013 16:42, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>>> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>>>
>>
>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>
> Who said anything about "the Internet".
>
> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
>
dennis@home
Dec 14, 2013, 11:59:05 AM12/14/13
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strip with a heater.
Tim Watts
Dec 14, 2013, 1:39:55 PM12/14/13
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Dave W
Dec 14, 2013, 5:38:06 PM12/14/13
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:36:28 +0000, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com>
wrote:
I found a document from Surrey County Council specifying the lighting
system to be the Harvard 'LeafNut' range. Interesting info here:
http://www.harvardeng.com/productsleafnut.do
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wrote:
system to be the Harvard 'LeafNut' range. Interesting info here:
http://www.harvardeng.com/productsleafnut.do
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dennis@home
Dec 14, 2013, 6:08:17 PM12/14/13
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On 14/12/2013 18:39, Tim Watts wrote:
> On Saturday 14 December 2013 16:56 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 14/12/2013 08:25, Tim Watts wrote:
>>> On Friday 13 December 2013 23:10 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>>>
>>>> On 13/12/2013 16:42, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>
>>>>> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>>>
>>> Who said anything about "the Internet".
>>>
>>> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
>>>
>>
>> They can use wet string but they don't.
>
> http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/node/2820
>
That's what the meter uses to send data to the display, it doesn't mean
> On Saturday 14 December 2013 16:56 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 14/12/2013 08:25, Tim Watts wrote:
>>> On Friday 13 December 2013 23:10 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>>>
>>>> On 13/12/2013 16:42, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>
>>>>> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>>>
>>> Who said anything about "the Internet".
>>>
>>> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
>>>
>>
>> They can use wet string but they don't.
>
> http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/node/2820
>
you can send stuff to the meter.
Dave Liquorice
Dec 14, 2013, 7:18:59 PM12/14/13
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:27:30 -0000, Uncle Peter wrote:
> I think streetlights are a waste of money. My car has headlights.
Nearest street lights to here are a mile and a half away. On a clear
> I think streetlights are a waste of money. My car has headlights.
moonless night the stars and milky way are stunning and provide
enough light to move about safely. Moon light is more than enough.
There is a bit of light pollution from Carlisle 30 miles away if you
know where to look but Teeside is the worst at over 40 miles, I pity
those that can only see a few of the brightest stars due to light
pollution.
Different matter on a thick cloudy night, it is dark, absolutely
dark, disturbingly dark, that's why I have a torch. B-)
--
Cheers
Dave.
Dave Liquorice
Dec 14, 2013, 7:26:02 PM12/14/13
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:36:52 +0100, tim...... wrote:
>> Round our way we have got lights with a magic eye on the top that
can
>> see when it is getting dark and it switches the lamp on - then in
the
>> morning it sees that the sky is getting light and turns it off.
>
>> Round our way we have got lights with a magic eye on the top that
can
>> see when it is getting dark and it switches the lamp on - then in
the
>> morning it sees that the sky is getting light and turns it off.
>
> except that it fails "on" on very cloudy days
If it's cloudly aka dark enough for the light to come on, the light
proably does need to be on. That's certainly the case from my
observations.
Must admit I'm having trouble with this switching off when it's darl
lark. *If* there is a need for street lighting there is a need full
stop. Why should some onegoing to work at 0300 do so without the
"benefit" of street lighting when some one else going to work at 0700
does?
--
Cheers
Dave.
Dave Liquorice
Dec 14, 2013, 7:27:31 PM12/14/13
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:42:30 +0000, mogga wrote:
> measure energy usage for billing purposes and confirm energy savings
Ah the real reason: Accountants.
> measure energy usage for billing purposes and confirm energy savings
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Cheers
Dave.
Tim Watts
Dec 15, 2013, 3:57:56 AM12/15/13
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Tim Watts
Dec 15, 2013, 4:00:04 AM12/15/13
to
On Sunday 15 December 2013 00:18 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:27:30 -0000, Uncle Peter wrote:
>
>> I think streetlights are a waste of money. My car has headlights.
>
> Nearest street lights to here are a mile and a half away. On a clear
> moonless night the stars and milky way are stunning and provide
> enough light to move about safely. Moon light is more than enough.
> There is a bit of light pollution from Carlisle 30 miles away if you
> know where to look but Teeside is the worst at over 40 miles, I pity
> those that can only see a few of the brightest stars due to light
> pollution.
>
I remember a camping trip to Cape Wrath 20 years ago. It was so unpoluted,
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:27:30 -0000, Uncle Peter wrote:
>
>> I think streetlights are a waste of money. My car has headlights.
>
> Nearest street lights to here are a mile and a half away. On a clear
> moonless night the stars and milky way are stunning and provide
> enough light to move about safely. Moon light is more than enough.
> There is a bit of light pollution from Carlisle 30 miles away if you
> know where to look but Teeside is the worst at over 40 miles, I pity
> those that can only see a few of the brightest stars due to light
> pollution.
>
as you say, the arms of the Milky Way were distinct and it was like seeing
into infinity with clarity.
Andy Burns
Dec 15, 2013, 4:19:03 AM12/15/13
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Tim Watts wrote:
> dennis@home wrote:
>
>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>
> Who said anything about "the Internet".
> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
Wireless M-Bus for one ...
> dennis@home wrote:
>
>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>
> Who said anything about "the Internet".
> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
Geoff Pearson
Dec 15, 2013, 4:24:14 AM12/15/13
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"mogga" <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote in message
> We're getting some new street lights and have noticed they have little
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
> --
> antennas on the top.
>
> What is it for? They look like they have a light detetctor same as the
> old ones too.
> http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk
I think the ones in Edinburgh are part of the BusTracker system.
Adrian
Dec 15, 2013, 4:32:49 AM12/15/13
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 09:00:04 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>> Nearest street lights to here are a mile and a half away. On a clear
>> moonless night the stars and milky way are stunning and provide enough
>> light to move about safely. Moon light is more than enough. There is a
>> bit of light pollution from Carlisle 30 miles away if you know where to
>> look but Teeside is the worst at over 40 miles, I pity those that can
>> only see a few of the brightest stars due to light pollution.
> I remember a camping trip to Cape Wrath 20 years ago. It was so
> unpoluted, as you say, the arms of the Milky Way were distinct and it
> was like seeing into infinity with clarity.
Yep, it's like that here. Nearest street light's at least four-five miles
>> Nearest street lights to here are a mile and a half away. On a clear
>> moonless night the stars and milky way are stunning and provide enough
>> light to move about safely. Moon light is more than enough. There is a
>> bit of light pollution from Carlisle 30 miles away if you know where to
>> look but Teeside is the worst at over 40 miles, I pity those that can
>> only see a few of the brightest stars due to light pollution.
> I remember a camping trip to Cape Wrath 20 years ago. It was so
> unpoluted, as you say, the arms of the Milky Way were distinct and it
> was like seeing into infinity with clarity.
away with a big hill in the way. The nearest small city is 20 miles away,
and contributes no light pollution at all. Friends from London just stand
and stare in amazement.
dennis@home
Dec 15, 2013, 6:19:30 AM12/15/13
to
On 15/12/2013 08:57, Tim Watts wrote:
> On Saturday 14 December 2013 23:08 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 14/12/2013 18:39, Tim Watts wrote:
>>> On Saturday 14 December 2013 16:56 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>>>
>>>> On 14/12/2013 08:25, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>>> On Friday 13 December 2013 23:10 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/12/2013 16:42, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said anything about "the Internet".
>>>>>
>>>>> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They can use wet string but they don't.
>>>
>>> http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/node/2820
>>>
>>
>> That's what the meter uses to send data to the display, it doesn't mean
>> you can send stuff to the meter.
>
> Justification?
>
Justify what?
> On Saturday 14 December 2013 23:08 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>
>> On 14/12/2013 18:39, Tim Watts wrote:
>>> On Saturday 14 December 2013 16:56 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>>>
>>>> On 14/12/2013 08:25, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>>> On Friday 13 December 2013 23:10 dennis@home wrote in uk.d-i-y:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/12/2013 16:42, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the reasons I do not want a smartmeter for electricity...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smart meters don't use the internet, they use SMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said anything about "the Internet".
>>>>>
>>>>> They can also use Zigbee and other short haul radio technologies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They can use wet string but they don't.
>>>
>>> http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/node/2820
>>>
>>
>> That's what the meter uses to send data to the display, it doesn't mean
>> you can send stuff to the meter.
>
> Justification?
>
Why do you think they want to know what mobile phone signals are like
where you live before they will fit a smart meter?
tony sayer
Dec 15, 2013, 7:24:36 AM12/15/13
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In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>, Dave
Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> scribeth thus
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Tony Sayer
Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> scribeth thus
>On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:27:30 -0000, Uncle Peter wrote:
>
>> I think streetlights are a waste of money. My car has headlights.
>
>Nearest street lights to here are a mile and a half away. On a clear
>moonless night the stars and milky way are stunning and provide
>enough light to move about safely. Moon light is more than enough.
So there is a good reason to be up in them thar hills then Dave;?...
>
>> I think streetlights are a waste of money. My car has headlights.
>
>Nearest street lights to here are a mile and a half away. On a clear
>moonless night the stars and milky way are stunning and provide
>enough light to move about safely. Moon light is more than enough.
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tony sayer
Dec 15, 2013, 7:35:47 AM12/15/13
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In article <bh5apc...@mid.individual.net>, Geoff Pearson
<gspear...@hotmail.com> scribeth thus
I doubt they need to do that most bus tracker systems work up in Band 3
174 to 230 odd MHz and use GPS for the location service and then
transmit that info back to the bus stops on either Band 3 or GSM of some
flavour...
Sometimes even on 459 odd MHz licence exempt services.. Like the car
parks around here..
One here with the aerial some 40 deg off beam;!..
http://goo.gl/maps/Fxra9
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<gspear...@hotmail.com> scribeth thus
174 to 230 odd MHz and use GPS for the location service and then
transmit that info back to the bus stops on either Band 3 or GSM of some
flavour...
Sometimes even on 459 odd MHz licence exempt services.. Like the car
parks around here..
One here with the aerial some 40 deg off beam;!..
http://goo.gl/maps/Fxra9
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Tony Sayer
Bill
Dec 15, 2013, 8:39:38 AM12/15/13
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In message <IV9hb8Hj...@bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
<to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
on the radio channel. We have equipped a few bus companies and also a
lot of traffic warden schemes.
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<to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
>
>
>Sometimes even on 459 odd MHz licence exempt services.. Like the car
>parks around here..
>
>
>One here with the aerial some 40 deg off beam;!..
>
>http://goo.gl/maps/Fxra9
>
Any new systems going in now Tony tend to use DMR and send GPS info back
>
>Sometimes even on 459 odd MHz licence exempt services.. Like the car
>parks around here..
>
>
>One here with the aerial some 40 deg off beam;!..
>
>http://goo.gl/maps/Fxra9
>
on the radio channel. We have equipped a few bus companies and also a
lot of traffic warden schemes.
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tony sayer
Dec 15, 2013, 12:42:18 PM12/15/13
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In article <+8WRacka...@birchnet.demon.co.uk>, Bill
<Bi...@birchnet.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
>and send GPS info back
>on the radio channel. We have equipped a few bus companies and also a
>lot of traffic warden schemes.
Ones with built in distruct capabilities perhaps;)..
After having a run in with a real Hitler the other day after coming back
from the doctors with a very bad bout of gout;((...
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<Bi...@birchnet.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
>In message <IV9hb8Hj...@bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
><to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
>>
>>
>>Sometimes even on 459 odd MHz licence exempt services.. Like the car
>>parks around here..
>>
>>
>>One here with the aerial some 40 deg off beam;!..
>>
>>http://goo.gl/maps/Fxra9
>>
>
>Any new systems going in now Tony tend to use DMR
Digital version of analogue PMR private mobile radio..
><to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
>>
>>
>>Sometimes even on 459 odd MHz licence exempt services.. Like the car
>>parks around here..
>>
>>
>>One here with the aerial some 40 deg off beam;!..
>>
>>http://goo.gl/maps/Fxra9
>>
>
>Any new systems going in now Tony tend to use DMR
>and send GPS info back
>on the radio channel. We have equipped a few bus companies and also a
>lot of traffic warden schemes.
After having a run in with a real Hitler the other day after coming back
from the doctors with a very bad bout of gout;((...
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