No shortage of incoming mains (pressure or flow rate) even tried different
hoses & fittings to be 100% sure of that.
OK - as hose was crumbling away, .... bought a new hose, incl hose fitting
.... so can now discount the hose, lance & nozzle from being the issue.
Loads of water through lance if trigger operated (motor off)
When motor is on ... when lance operated it is surging ... aprox 2 sec full
pressure 1 sec low pressure.
Now previously it was mentioned that when I release trigger .. pump still
runs, and it uses a bypass valve to release the pressure .. and this could
be at fault.
Anybody know what this would look like, and is this something worth
stripping & perhaps cleaning.
Last option I suppose would be if there is somewhere that services KEW.
Like many British Manufacturing companies - they are no more.
Very likely it is. The valve is opening too soon by the sound of it.
>
> Anybody know what this would look like, and is this something worth
> stripping & perhaps cleaning.
On an old KEW hobby it was probably adjustable - which KEW hobby do you
have - is there a model number?
>
>
> Last option I suppose would be if there is somewhere that services KEW.
> Like many British Manufacturing companies - they are no more.
KEW were Danish :-(
Started by a Knud Ernst Westergard who worked for Gerni in Randers,
Denmark, now defunct, but once part of the Nilfisk group.
Bought by an investment group - renamed Alto, then bought by Nilfisk -
they now trade as Nilfisk-Alto.
Dozens of places will repair them. Worth hanging on to, it was the last
of the quality hobby machines.
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Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
>Dozens of places will repair them. Worth hanging on to, it was the last
>of the quality hobby machines.
I made the 'mistake' of lending mine (Kew Hobby, the shape and weight
of an arc welder) to a pretty good friend but with the strict reminder
that 'I don't normally lend stuff out to anyone' and to 'make sure you
look after it'.
He took a long time returning it and eventually I found out why. He
had be using it to clean the loose stuff off his house after we had
replaced all his windows with new uPVC jobbies and because it was a
nice day and his kids were outside he was mucking about spraying them
with it. In an effort to run away, one tripped over the mains lead and
ripped the cable clamp and part of the case out.
Although quite old even at that point it (had) looked like new (it was
'mine') and of course parts were either difficult to get or very
expensive. Luckily it still worked as such but ...
How does it go .. 'Neither a borrower nor a lender be.'
As my Dad used to say re this sort of thing ... 'You have nothing to
gain and everything to lose' and generally he seems to have been
right. [1]
Cheers, T i m
[1] The only rider with that is if I do lend it to you and you break
it you buy it ... or buy me a same > better replacement one ..'. With
some people that goes unsaid but others ... ;-(
Yes .. Hobby 88
> KEW were Danish :-(
I passed the KEW factory once at Penrith, assumed they were British.
> Dozens of places will repair them. Worth hanging on to, it was the last
> of the quality hobby machines.
yep .. that is why I want to fix it, seems so much better built than the
plasticky Karchers
Can't find an online manual for that, but the unloader/by pass valve
will be built into the pump head & have a screw to adjust it.
Do you have a photo of the pump head you could post? I could prolly
spot the unloader screw.
>
>
>
>> KEW were Danish :-(
>
> I passed the KEW factory once at Penrith, assumed they were British.
>
>
Thats where Nilfisk Alto are now, same building.
>
>> Dozens of places will repair them. Worth hanging on to, it was the
>> last of the quality hobby machines.
>
>
> yep .. that is why I want to fix it, seems so much better built than the
> plasticky Karchers
Absolutely.
>
> Can't find an online manual for that, but the unloader/by pass valve will
> be built into the pump head & have a screw to adjust it.
>
> Do you have a photo of the pump head you could post? I could prolly spot
> the unloader screw.
I'll strip it and take pic tonight
> Do you have a photo of the pump head you could post? I could prolly spot
> the unloader screw.
Dave .. with the best from the David Bailey school of snapping ..
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/Pic1.jpg
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic2.jpg
I don't know for sure, but I reckon its in the brass head thats held
down by 4 hex head bolts. It could well be under the pressure gauge, so
look their first.
What you are looking for is a screw that compresses a spring. It needs
tightening.
What should happen is; when the gun is shut the pressure rises, forcing
a valve to open against the spring and the water returns to the inlet.
So if the working pressure of the machine is 100 bar, the spring will be
under enough tension to hold the valve closed at 100 bar, but will allow
it to open at 105 bar.
Whats happening to your machine is; the spring is broken or out of
kilter it might be allowing the valve to open at 80 bar. So pressure
rises to 80, valve opens, pressure drops to 0, valve closes, pressure
rises to 80 etc etc.
HTH
OK .. take a look on weekend ... thanks
If anyone else is familiar with Kew feel free to chip in
These guys: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/qwashers ....... may be able to
get you a part.
Dave (or others) ... OK .. to me it looks like it would vent out water via
the plastic tube marked 'X' in the pic 1:
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic1-1.jpg
Removed the brass casting ... there seems to be some form of screw in
plastic pieces (strainers?) or of which does not look good ... Marked 'P'
in pic 2
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic2-1.jpg
O rings were actually crunched - so had never been installed correctly.
Does this aluminium casting look OK .. the hole to the right of where I
marked the 'P' looks corroded.
The Brass casting has a large hex nut
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic3-1.jpg
... and inside of which is a slot headed screw
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic4-1.jpg
Do either of these look familiar to you as 'unloader valve.
I found the comment below on line ........
A pressure washer unloader valve prevents the pressure from building to
the breaking point when you aren't spraying water. A "diversion loop" is
created to cycle the water back to the inlet valve and inlet part of the
water pump. Unfortunately, the unloader valve is often a cause of trouble.
Some power washer users report problems such as the pressure washer motor
dying after spraying is done, minimal pressure, and sometimes even leaking
sprayers. There are a variety of fixes to problems such as these, the
simplest being the replacement of the unloader valve. If you need to do this
kind of pressure washer repair, it's absolutely essential to replace the
power washer valve with one that has equal or better gallons per minute
(GPM) and PSI ratings. Failure to do this can result in additional pressure
washer problems, including a safety hazard connected with the pressure of
the unit overwhelming the unloader valve, compromising or even destroying
it.
That machine has a water jacket around the motor to keep it cool. I
suspect that tube is the inlet to the pump from the jacket. Thats where
any 'unloaded' water would return to.
>
> Removed the brass casting ... there seems to be some form of screw in
> plastic pieces (strainers?) or of which does not look good ... Marked
> 'P' in pic 2
> http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic2-1.jpg
They are the inlet or outlet valves.
> O rings were actually crunched - so had never been installed correctly.
> Does this aluminium casting look OK .. the hole to the right of where I
> marked the 'P' looks corroded.
Doesn't look too bad, should last a while.
>
> The Brass casting has a large hex nut
> http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic3-1.jpg
>
> ... and inside of which is a slot headed screw
> http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic4-1.jpg
> Do either of these look familiar to you as 'unloader valve.
That looks exactly like the unloader valve adjuster.
Try turning the screw clockwise & see if it helps. Half a turn at a
time, don't go mad.
If no good, strip it out & see if the spring is broken.
>
>
>
> I found the comment below on line ........
>
> A pressure washer unloader valve prevents the pressure from building to
> the breaking point when you aren't spraying water. A "diversion loop" is
> created to cycle the water back to the inlet valve and inlet part of the
> water pump. Unfortunately, the unloader valve is often a cause of
> trouble. Some power washer users report problems such as the pressure
> washer motor dying after spraying is done, minimal pressure, and
> sometimes even leaking sprayers. There are a variety of fixes to
> problems such as these, the simplest being the replacement of the
> unloader valve. If you need to do this kind of pressure washer repair,
> it's absolutely essential to replace the power washer valve with one
> that has equal or better gallons per minute (GPM) and PSI ratings.
> Failure to do this can result in additional pressure washer problems,
> including a safety hazard connected with the pressure of the unit
> overwhelming the unloader valve, compromising or even destroying it.
>
That has to be American. Power washers are very different in the USA &
primitive compared to the European ones - mainly due to the Micky Mouse
US electrical system.
That refers to a separate bolt on unloader. Our machines have them
built in to the pump head.
>> Removed the brass casting ... there seems to be some form of screw in
>> plastic pieces (strainers?) or of which does not look good ... Marked
>> 'P' in pic 2
>> http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/Tafflad/pic2-1.jpg
>
> They are the inlet or outlet valves.
>
The plastic screw in 'things' ... look like some form of strainer, do you
know if these are available as spares ?
They would be if the machine wasn't so old. Maybe they still are. Try
> http://www.nilfisk-alto.co.uk/
Tried them they pointed me to PressureClean UK ... who say ... no parts
available for Hobby 88
So everyone seems to suggest its a quality machine .... but seem to strike
out on parts.
Anybody any other suggestions ?
As I said, its an oldie but a goodie.
I suspect either adjustment or a new spring is required. You might be
able to pick up a suitable spring from
> http://www.springmasters.com/stocksprings.html
Thought I'd give an update in case it helps others.
The company that bought out KEW ... Nilfisk-Alko carry no spares at all for
Kew.
Apart from hoses & lances, nobody seems to stock parts for Kew ....a pity as
it seems a substantially built machine ... large stainless steel
water-cooled motor, multi-stage pump, rugged brass castings.
In my case the 'surging' was assumed to be the unloader valve, tripping at
too early a pressure.
The screw head slot visible in picture ... did 'not' adjust the spring
pressure, as it turns freely ............ you would have to insert a socket
at other end of shaft to hold the nyloc nut while you turned the screwdriver
......... I didn't find that out until I stripped the valve.
The very large brass nut in the picture was undone ...and it took a huge
amount of torque to get it out (and a big Stilsons) this then unscrews the
unloader valve.
Once out I checked spring .. all seemed OK, I physically rotated the
'poppet' valve on it's seat, it sound a bit crunchy initially then OK ...
could se nothing wrong ...... so reassembled .... and it is now working
fine.
SWMB is now out using patio scrubber attachment and doing all the patio &
paths (she enjoys it)
So it was the valve (thnx to those who explained how it worked) ... assume
something was stuck or there was crud somewhere.
Ok, cos ur lonely :)
Don't have one, never used one.
But have tinkered with my pressure washer... Can you not try and lubricate
the part or does it need replacement. If it's metal, try leaving it to soak
in petrol over night. Plastic? Then try silicone grease/ spray... They sell
it for clipping guttering together and it's useful stuff... works
wonderfully on curtain tracks ( top tip there)
Good luck.
Deano
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The valve is not sticking, if anything, opening too easily. I am no up on the ins & out's (pun intended) of it but others on here seemed to have a grasp of what should or not be happening.
Thanks though as my curtain rails are now supersonic.