Neighbour's extension

[JoeJoe]

New neighbours moved in next door. They immediately submitted an
application for a kitchen/dining room extension that will take their
house right to the boundary (minus 30cm to allow for a gutter...).

Photos are here:

https://ibb.co/FVs3xyD
https://ibb.co/Lt9Ccsm

No windows in the extension will face us, but a 5.4m long wall, around
3m+ high or so, alongside our garage and garden shed, leaving us on our
side with a narrow, very dark path (corridor) around 1.2m wide where we
keep our bins.

They sit east of us, both houses are detached, reasonably large, as are
all the houses in the neighbourhood.

Houses are on a slight slope – our house is slightly higher than theirs.
The lowest point of our land – the path above, is around 50cm higher
than the highest point of their land – where the wall of the new
extension will be. There is a retaining wall around 50cm high on our
boundary, holding the path mentioned above in place. We also have a low
wooden fence on our side, marking the boundary, at the top of the
retaining wall.

These are the point under which our local council is prepared to
entertain comments/objections:
• Amenity (e.g. noise, traffic, impact on sunlight or privacy)
• Design (e.g. height of building, density of development, detailing and
materials, or how the proposed development takes account of its surrounding)
• Environmental Impact (e.g. loss of trees or open space, flooding or
impact on wildlife)
• Policy (e.g. has the proposal taken account of the development plan)
• Access (e.g. public transport access, adequacy of parking provision or
cycle and footpath provision)
It doesn’t look as if we have any real ground for a major objection, right?

The real issue I see is that under the plan they will have a 30cm wide,
5.4m long, gap between our lowish retaining wall and the wall of their
extension. They claim that they will install some sort of drainage along
the gap (similar to the one you put in front of a garage door?).

We get *a lot* of leaves in the autumn. And I mean a lot. They plan to
have flat/felt roof, so should be able to clean the gutter of the
extension from above, but the gap between the extension and our
retaining wall is guaranteed to be filled with leaves in no time, and
there is no way that I can think of that they will be able to clear it
without standing on our land (what if we choose to raise our fence along
it to 1.8m for example?).

Also, the wall facing us is intended to be rendered, meaning that they
will have to do it from or land as well... Are we obliged to give them
permission to do that?

I don’t know them, only bumped into them for a quick chat a couple of
weeks ago, and am generally quite pissed off that they didn’t have the
courtesy to mention it to us at all at all before submitting the plans,
so am not particularly inclined to be helpful.

Any thought will be much appreciated.

[Davey]

Not much help, but I feel for you. Our neighbours built a two-storey
extension at the rear of their house, completely spoiling the view from
one of our bedrooms, and blocking the sky off. On a sunny day, bright
light is reflected into our house from the new white render, almost
blinding us. The Planning Dept. was totally unsympathetic to us, saying
that there was no issue with the loss of daylight or amenity, it fell
within the vague rules. We were only informed of the plan when the
planning notice went up on the telegraph pole outside.
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[JoeJoe]

Thanks.

Luckily we have no window facing that way. We are not holding our
breath when it comes to the planning department.

[Fredxx]

I'm not experienced in these matters but I can't see any justification
for objecting. 300mm isn't a lot for access, and that would be my issue.

On the other hand why not ask them to move the wall onto the boundary
and making it a party wall, one that you have the right to use for your
own purposes, ensure the footings are wide enough for your internal
wall. You then have the option if to make you garage wider at reduced
cost, or convert it into a bigger room?

There would need to be a communal valley to take water from both properties.

Put in planing at the same time. Keep renewing every 5 years if you
don't start work.

[Roger Mills]

It would have been courteous to have consulted you before making the
planning application, but there's no legal obligation to do that.

I can't really see any planning reasons which would cause the
application to be refused. The space which you have for getting to the
back of the garage isn't being reduced. The main issue seems to be
leaves collecting on the other side of your fence, which will be
difficult to remove. Could you come to some agreement to box in that
space to stop it filling up with leaves? Or even, what about removing
your fence to give you a bit more elbow room, and treating their
extension wall as the effective Boundary?
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[Animal]

A foot gap isn't enough to maintain the wall, so it will eventually become dangerous.

[Michael Chare]

On 12/02/2023 19:34, JoeJoe wrote:
>

Phone the planning department and ask them what they think. You could
also speak to the building inspectors especially regarding any drainage.


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[farter]

A properly built wall doesnt need any maintenance.

> so it will eventually become dangerous.

Bullshit.

[Colin Bignell]

On 12/02/2023 19:34, JoeJoe wrote:
>

Why not ask the neighbour what plans he has to remove leaves from that
space? He might have not thought about the problem, or he might have
already have an answer you hadn't thought of. Perhaps a 30cm wide rake
with a very long handle.

>
> Also, the wall facing us is intended to be rendered, meaning that they
> will have to do it from or land as well... Are we obliged to give them
> permission to do that?
>
> I don’t know them, only bumped into them for a quick chat a couple of
> weeks ago, and am generally quite pissed off that they didn’t have the
> courtesy to mention it to us at all at all before submitting the plans,
> so am not particularly inclined to be helpful.
>
> Any thought will be much appreciated.

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[SteveW]

Our house (semi-detached) already has both extensions built right up to
each other on the boundary. When the neighbours applied for permission
for a further extension (they later abandoned the idea), my response to
the council was to build it up to the boundary, instead of just off it,
in case we extended in the future.

> There would need to be a communal valley to take water from both
> properties.

It wouldn't have been a problem in our case, as the existing extensions
have flat roofs and drain backwards from the house and not to the side.

> Put in planing at the same time. Keep renewing every 5 years if you
> don't start work.

We didn't bother, as we couldn't afford it at the time and the
neighbours also gave up on their plans.

[Robin]

As I read it any essential maintenance could be carried out from the
OP's land - for which the neighbours could if required seek an access
order under the Access to Neighbouring Land Act 1992.

The trickier issue is if the OP extends. Hence the potential benefit of
building to the boundary.

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[JoeJoe]

Fully awae of that. We are very good neighbours usually, never had any issue with anyone in decades. But I don't tend to have much time for people wo have no time for me...

We would have let it pass as is without any issue, but since they couldn't care less about our view, we may choose not to be helpful in retun

> I can't really see any planning reasons which would cause the
> application to be refused. The space which you have for getting to the
> back of the garage isn't being reduced. The main issue seems to be
> leaves collecting on the other side of your fence, which will be
> difficult to remove. Could you come to some agreement to box in that
> space to stop it filling up with leaves? Or even, what about removing
> your fence to give you a bit more elbow room, and treating their
> extension wall as the effective Boundary?

All are things that we would have been happy to suggest usually. We really are very easy going when it comes to neighbours. We feel less inclined to do so with the new lot. Especially as they will completely depend on us giving them access to our land to clear the gap so it does not damage their new wall.

[Fredxx]

I don't think 30cm is enough clearance to expect anyone to build the
wall without incursion into the OP's grounds. Similarly for post
maintenance. It also depends on who owns the fence, and if owned by the
neighbour, this will further encroach onto their grounds, reducing
access still further.

> The main issue seems to be
> leaves collecting on the other side of your fence, which will be
> difficult to remove. Could you come to some agreement to box in that
> space to stop it filling up with leaves? Or even, what about removing
> your fence to give you a bit more elbow room, and treating their
> extension wall as the effective Boundary?

That could be a good compromise if they agreed to it.

[Fredxx]

Which would be a genuine cause for opposing the application as-is.

>
> The trickier issue is if the OP extends. Hence the potential benefit of
> building to the boundary.

Hence my earlier post.

[JoeJoe]

Their new wall will have a foot of rotting leaves against it within one year. If not higher than that. If we choose to leave the low fence that we have there now if will fill to the top of it (1m or so up their new wall). With the only access to clear it for them is by coming from our property. It will also block the drainage that they intend to install.

I spend considerable time every year collecting and clearing leaves - something in the region of between half to a whole skip in volume every year. Plus cleaning the gutters 3 times until all the leaves are down and the drainage in front of our garage. Every year.

[JoeJoe]

The fence is on our land - on the top of the retaining wall.

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[Robin]

Planning Policy Guidance Note 1 used to say that access for maintenance
was not a material planning consideration. I'd be interested to know if
that's changed - as I think would the many councils who say the same in
their current guidance.

There is of course the separate issue of access to build which is also
not a matter for the planners - and not covered by the 1992 Act.

[Brian Gaff]

I think you will need to at least be diplomatic first off, as with all the
other things that are probably being done to the property, they may well
just have not got round to mentioning it. If you could both get your heads
together, you might be able to reach a compromise.
The original neighbours next to my house have shot themselves in the foot,
since the downpipes from their bathroom and the ability to paint and re
render the wall have been ruined by the amount of room left between an
existing wall and their building line. as far as people can see, some
rather messy render was put on obviously by a very thin man, but we never
saw it done. Shortly afterwards they moved out and every occupant since has
cursed the builders decision. I don't see why our wall should be taken down
because of somebody elses cock-up.

I guess the other side of our wall is a mess by now, also but as I cannot
see it who cares.

Beware if your sewer will run under their extension. The builders completely
cocked this up as well, and the building inspector made them dig up the
kitchen floor with a pneumatic drill and fix it. That was a very noisy
weekend and must have cost a packet. It had to be done as all the houses are
joined together by this sewer.
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>
> New neighbours moved in next door. They immediately submitted an
> application for a kitchen/dining room extension that will take their house
> right to the boundary (minus 30cm to allow for a gutter...).
>
> Photos are here:
>
> https://ibb.co/FVs3xyD
> https://ibb.co/Lt9Ccsm
>
> No windows in the extension will face us, but a 5.4m long wall, around
> 3m+ high or so, alongside our garage and garden shed, leaving us on our
> side with a narrow, very dark path (corridor) around 1.2m wide where we
> keep our bins.
>
> They sit east of us, both houses are detached, reasonably large, as are
> all the houses in the neighbourhood.
>

> Houses are on a slight slope - our house is slightly higher than theirs.
> The lowest point of our land - the path above, is around 50cm higher than
> the highest point of their land - where the wall of the new extension will

> be. There is a retaining wall around 50cm high on our boundary, holding
> the path mentioned above in place. We also have a low wooden fence on our
> side, marking the boundary, at the top of the retaining wall.
>
> These are the point under which our local council is prepared to entertain
> comments/objections:

> . Amenity (e.g. noise, traffic, impact on sunlight or privacy)
> . Design (e.g. height of building, density of development, detailing and

> materials, or how the proposed development takes account of its
> surrounding)

> . Environmental Impact (e.g. loss of trees or open space, flooding or
> impact on wildlife)
> . Policy (e.g. has the proposal taken account of the development plan)
> . Access (e.g. public transport access, adequacy of parking provision or

[JoeJoe]

Good advice - will do that!

[JoeJoe]

I doubt they have. Planning to speak to them sooner rather than later
and will discuss that too.

[JoeJoe]

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:26:03 AM UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I think you will need to at least be diplomatic first off, as with all the
> other things that are probably being done to the property, they may well
> just have not got round to mentioning it. If you could both get your heads
> together, you might be able to reach a compromise.
> The original neighbours next to my house have shot themselves in the foot,
> since the downpipes from their bathroom and the ability to paint and re
> render the wall have been ruined by the amount of room left between an
> existing wall and their building line. as far as people can see, some
> rather messy render was put on obviously by a very thin man, but we never
> saw it done. Shortly afterwards they moved out and every occupant since has
> cursed the builders decision. I don't see why our wall should be taken down
> because of somebody elses cock-up.
>
> I guess the other side of our wall is a mess by now, also but as I cannot
> see it who cares.
>
> Beware if your sewer will run under their extension. The builders completely
> cocked this up as well, and the building inspector made them dig up the
> kitchen floor with a pneumatic drill and fix it. That was a very noisy
> weekend and must have cost a packet. It had to be done as all the houses are
> joined together by this sewer.
> Brian

All good points, thanks.

We are going to be diplomatic, but not necessarily as helpful as we would have been had they been better neighbours about it.

They have lost most/all our good will when they decided to present us with the drawn up plans and application yesterday without any warning.

[JoeJoe]

Follow up question:

Are the neighbours allowed, without consulating with us and/or our approval, to build their extension up to the boundary between the properties?

[Brian]

You could try arguing they should be not permitted to close the gap between
the properties, it may work if the other houses near by are generally well
spaced.

Some years back - maybe 200x - someone bought the old house house next door
to us, most houses in our road are relatively modern, detached, and
generally spaced out. The new owner wanted to build a new house and
approach us with the plans. I was quite happy, provide he maintained the
gap etc and when I mentioned this I’m sure he commented the planning people
had told him this would be required. I never measured the new gap but, if
it did change, I can’t tell.


Conversely, our previous house, a semi, only had a narrow gap to the next
house. I think that had been extended in the 60s but, while some houses
near by were spaced, others were not. It was never an issue to us, it was
like that when we bought it, there were no windows etc, or maintenance
issues. Our neighbour was amiable etc so we never had an issue.

I

[Andy Burns]

JoeJoe wrote:

> Are the neighbours allowed, without consulating with us and/or our
> approval, to build their extension up to the boundary between the
> properties?

Would be difficult, likely to require foundations protruding into your
land ...

[JoeJoe]

Good ;-)

[Robin]

Yes, subject to complying with the obligations imposed on them by law.

Those obligations include:

a. planning where you are now free to make comments and representations

b. the Party Wall Act which - if it applies as a result of eg their
foundations - entitles you to appoint at their cost your own surveyor
and to an agreement which constrains the work.

But your neighbours are not obliged to go beyond that, let alone to seek
your approval before they even submit their plans. Indeed, some advise
against discussion with neighbours before plans are submitted on the
basis that that can lead to misunderstandings about both what is
proposed and what is a relevant consideration.

[JoeJoe]

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:31:50 PM UTC, Brian wrote:
> JoeJoewrote:

Unlikely to work in our case I would have thought. The houses in the neighbourhood are all detached and have a gap of several metres between them, but a lot of people have done what they want to do and extended the kitchens (originally too small for modern living) to the side, hence reducingthe gap.

[Andy Burns]

JoeJoe wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> JoeJoe wrote:
>>
>>> Are the neighbours allowed, without consulating with us and/or our
>>> approval, to build their extension up to the boundary between the
>>> properties?
>
>> Would be difficult, likely to require foundations protruding into your
>> land ...
>
> Good ;-)

Others have asked whether you have any thoughts of extending your garage
towards the boundary?

[Robin]

OTOH if the foundations bring the Party Wall Act into play you might
also face section 8 (Rights of entry). That broadly speaking provides
for your neighbours to get access to your land for certain work. You'd
need someone more clued up than me to advise what is and isn't covered.

PS
Section 8 includes provides for "the building owner [ie your neighbour],
his agents and workmen may, if accompanied by a constable or other
police officer, break open any fences or doors in order to enter the
premises"!

[Tricky Dicky]

No the party wall act comes Into play if they are planning to build within
3m of your building

[Tricky Dicky]

Our bungalow was originally a link detached with next door with a carport
spanning the gap between. When we had our roof re-tiled our neighbour took
his carport down as it required a lot of repair however the side wall of
our house is on our side of the boundary if we wanted to extend backwards
along this line or our neighbour wanted to extend over part of his drive
the Party Wall Act would come into play as we are only one drive width
approx. 2.5m apart. In the deeds there are covenants regards sharing
certain features and getting access to carry out repairs. The roofers were
able to access our roof from his side and also to erect scaffolding.

[Robin]

*and* the excavations for the new foundations go below the level of the
OP's foundations. I'm not sure if that would be a given for a single
storey extension.

All covered in the (IMHO rather good)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/preventing-and-resolving-disputes-in-relation-to-party-walls/the-party-wall-etc-act-1996-explanatory-booklet

[Rod Speed]

Depends on how the floor is done. When the floor is concrete,
no problem with no foundation past the face of the wall. The
concret is just deeper under the wall itself.

[Rod Speed]

Its not actually true if the floor in the new extension is concrete.

The slab is just deeper under the wall itself, it doesn't project
past the face of the wall that is on top of it.

[Clive Arthur]

On 13/02/2023 08:54, Robin wrote:
<snip>

>
> Planning Policy Guidance Note 1 used to say that access for maintenance
> was not a material planning consideration.  I'd be interested to know if
> that's changed - as I think would the many councils who say the same in
> their current guidance.
>
> There is of course the separate issue of access to build which is also
> not a matter for the planners - and not covered by the 1992 Act.

Yes, worth appreciating as Robin suggests that 'Planning Permission' is
not permission to build. You can, in theory, get planning permission
for a building on land you don't own - all it means is there are no
planning objections, not that it would be lawful or achievable.

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[Lawrence]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 23:15:37 +0000, SteveW
<st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
> for a further extension (they later abandoned the idea), my
response to
> the council was to build it up to the boundary, instead of just off
it,
> in case we extended in the future.

Did you know that if you both build up to the boundary(not even
acroos it as a party wall) your houses become semi detatched or even
terraced if already one of them is a semi? This limits the volume of
a y future extension.

[Lawrence]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:26:04 -0800 (PST), JoeJoe
<jj.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are the neighbours allowed, without consulating with us and/or our

approval=

> , to build their extension up to the boundary between the
properties?

Look at the party wall act. Things like this are specifically
mentioned. The rules for digging footings within 6m of your own
footings are quite complicated and potentially expensive for them.

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[JNugent]

I'd say that your obvious objection ground is loss of residential
amenity via loss of sunlight. Plus perhaps design of building not in
keeping with surrounding buildings in the locality.

Why not contact your local councillor and ask for a site meeting (at
which the planning committee will attend at a particular time and be
able to assess the situation for themselves as well as allowing you and
perhaps other neighbours to outline the problems you would be caused?

You are not obliged to give neighbours access onto your land, but if
they get permission and if they propose a brick or rendered wall, it'd
be better - for you - to let them do it.

[JNugent]

On 12/02/2023 07:59 pm, Davey wrote:

> Not much help, but I feel for you. Our neighbours built a two-storey
> extension at the rear of their house, completely spoiling the view from
> one of our bedrooms, and blocking the sky off. On a sunny day, bright
> light is reflected into our house from the new white render, almost
> blinding us. The Planning Dept. was totally unsympathetic to us, saying
> that there was no issue with the loss of daylight or amenity, it fell
> within the vague rules. We were only informed of the plan when the
> planning notice went up on the telegraph pole outside.

The council is supposed to write to you in connection with a planning
application like that, next door.

[Rod Speed]

He has no windows facing the new extension.

> Plus perhaps design of building not in keeping with surrounding
> buildings in the locality.

Not something he can use to prevent the new extension.

> Why not contact your local councillor and ask for a site meeting (at
> which the planning committee will attend at a particular time and be
> able to assess the situation for themselves as well as allowing you and
> perhaps other neighbours to outline the problems you would be caused?

> You are not obliged to give neighbours access onto your land,

Not needed if the extension has a concrete slab.

And you are wrong about that.

[Rod Speed]

That one put a notice on a power pole.

[Clive Arthur]

On 13/02/2023 17:23, JNugent wrote:
> On 12/02/2023 07:59 pm, Davey wrote:

<snip>

>> We were only informed of the plan when the
>> planning notice went up on the telegraph pole outside.
>
> The council is supposed to write to you in connection with a planning
> application like that, next door.

The planning notice on the pole is enough. Often they'll write too, but
don't have to.

Same thing happened to us - in previous years we'd had a letter and we
assumed this was the law, but it turned out not to be so.

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[SteveW]

Does it or does it just limit the permitted development rights, so
possibly requiring planning permission? In our case, it makes no
difference, as my first paragraph started off with "Our house
(semi-detached)".

[SteveW]

On 13/02/2023 17:23, JNugent wrote:

They do cock these things up. We needed planning permission for a
conservatory on the back of our house (as we already had an extension).
The council sent letters to both houses to the left, both houses on the
right and 5 houses on the opposite side of the road. Those 5 houses,
facing the front of ours, have no view whatsoever of our back garden and
therefore had no interest at all. However, the council didn't send any
letters to any of the row of houses whose back gardens back onto ours
and for whom the entire conservatory would be very visible!

[SteveW]

On 12/02/2023 22:42, Animal wrote:

>> The real issue I see is that under the plan they will have a 30cm wide,
>> 5.4m long, gap between our lowish retaining wall and the wall of their
>> extension. They claim that they will install some sort of drainage along
>> the gap (similar to the one you put in front of a garage door?).
>>
>> We get *a lot* of leaves in the autumn. And I mean a lot. They plan to
>> have flat/felt roof, so should be able to clean the gutter of the
>> extension from above, but the gap between the extension and our
>> retaining wall is guaranteed to be filled with leaves in no time, and
>> there is no way that I can think of that they will be able to clear it
>> without standing on our land (what if we choose to raise our fence along
>> it to 1.8m for example?).
>>
>> Also, the wall facing us is intended to be rendered, meaning that they
>> will have to do it from or land as well... Are we obliged to give them
>> permission to do that?
>>
>> I don’t know them, only bumped into them for a quick chat a couple of
>> weeks ago, and am generally quite pissed off that they didn’t have the
>> courtesy to mention it to us at all at all before submitting the plans,
>> so am not particularly inclined to be helpful.
>>
>> Any thought will be much appreciated.
>

> A foot gap isn't enough to maintain the wall, so it will eventually become dangerous.

Agreed, yet many housing estates put up in the late '70s to mid '90s,
have "detached" houses that are so close together that no maintenance
can be carried out.

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In article <tse0ha$277bh$3...@dont-email.me>, SteveW

When we were housing hunting (1977) there was a carton book on the subject.
In one, people were trying extricate a dog which had got stuck between two
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[JNugent]

That isn't relevant.

>
>> Plus perhaps design of building not in keeping with surrounding
>> buildings in the locality.
>
> Not something he can use to prevent the new extension.

It is something the *council* can use to refuse consent.

>> Why not contact your local councillor and ask for a site meeting (at
>> which the planning committee will attend at a particular time and be
>> able to assess the situation for themselves as well as allowing you
>> and perhaps other neighbours to outline the problems you would be caused?
>
>> You are not obliged to give neighbours access onto your land,
>
> Not needed if the extension has a concrete slab.

Not relevant.

> And you are wrong about that.

Not so.

[JNugent]

Yes... so I saw.

[JoeJoe]

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:23:44 PM UTC, Lawrence wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:26:04 -0800 (PST), JoeJoe

wrote:
> > Are the neighbours allowed, without consulating with us and/or our
> approval=
> > , to build their extension up to the boundary between the
> properties?
> Look at the party wall act. Things like this are specifically
> mentioned. The rules for digging footings within 6m of your own
> footings are quite complicated and potentially expensive for them.

All we have along the boundary is a retaining wall, and I am not even sure it has proper foundations that span into the neighbours' land as it is very low.

[JoeJoe]

Good idea to ask the planne to come and have a look.

BTW, just noticed on the plans that the path on our side has dimensions next to it. Nice to know that they helped themselves to our property without permission to measure it...

Also, my wife came back from work this evening to find the neighbour walking along that narrow path, on our land, looking at something...

They are asking for trouble, and we may well give them to them.

[JoeJoe]

According to the neighbour yesterday, it is due any day from the council as they had already submitted the plans.

Just noticed on the plans that they state that our retaining wall along the boundary will be rebuilt as it needs to be removed to allow for their wall to be build. We first heard about the entension yesterday when he handed the plans to my wife when he spotted her on the driveway.

They have some nerve... Their wall will have to be completely built from our side of the boundary, inc rendering, paint etc, and they intend to remove our retaining wall and then rebuild it, and didn't think it right to consulat with us prior to submitting the plans.

We are not amused.

[Rod Speed]

Corse it is when the new wall faces his wall with no windows.

>>> Plus perhaps design of building not in keeping with surrounding
>>> buildings in the locality.
>> Not something he can use to prevent the new extension.
>
> It is something the *council* can use to refuse consent.

But it hasnt refused consent.

>>> Why not contact your local councillor and ask for a site meeting (at
>>> which the planning committee will attend at a particular time and be
>>> able to assess the situation for themselves as well as allowing you
>>> and perhaps other neighbours to outline the problems you would be
>>> caused?
>>
>>> You are not obliged to give neighbours access onto your land,

>> Not needed if the extension has a concrete slab.

> Not relevant.

Wrong, that means that the fundations for the neighour's new
extension does not need acces to his land.

>> And you are wrong about that.

> Not so.

Fraid so, the legislation others have cited provides for that access if it
is required.

[Clive Arthur]

On 13/02/2023 22:29, JoeJoe wrote:

<snip>

>
> Just noticed on the plans that they state that our retaining wall along the boundary will be rebuilt as it needs to be removed to allow for their wall to be build. We first heard about the entension yesterday when he handed the plans to my wife when he spotted her on the driveway.
>
> They have some nerve... Their wall will have to be completely built from our side of the boundary, inc rendering, paint etc, and they intend to remove our retaining wall and then rebuild it, and didn't think it right to consulat with us prior to submitting the plans.
>
> We are not amused.

Just to re-iterate, Planning Permission is /not/ permission to build.
They cannot just do things to your wall without your permission.

Why not post this to uk.legal.moderated?

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Clive

[Peeler]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:38:44 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[JoeJoe]

Will do. Thanks

[Animal]

On Sunday, 12 February 2023 at 22:59:37 UTC, farter wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:42:14 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> The real issue I see is that under the plan they will have a 30cm wide,
> >> 5.4m long, gap between our lowish retaining wall and the wall of their
> >> extension. They claim that they will install some sort of drainage along
> >> the gap (similar to the one you put in front of a garage door?).
> >>
> >> We get *a lot* of leaves in the autumn. And I mean a lot. They plan to
> >> have flat/felt roof, so should be able to clean the gutter of the
> >> extension from above, but the gap between the extension and our
> >> retaining wall is guaranteed to be filled with leaves in no time, and
> >> there is no way that I can think of that they will be able to clear it
> >> without standing on our land (what if we choose to raise our fence along
> >> it to 1.8m for example?).
> >>
> >> Also, the wall facing us is intended to be rendered, meaning that they
> >> will have to do it from or land as well... Are we obliged to give them
> >> permission to do that?
> >>
> >> I don’t know them, only bumped into them for a quick chat a couple of
> >> weeks ago, and am generally quite pissed off that they didn’t have the
> >> courtesy to mention it to us at all at all before submitting the plans,
> >> so am not particularly inclined to be helpful.
> >>
> >> Any thought will be much appreciated.
> >
> > A foot gap isn't enough to maintain the wall,

> A properly built wall doesnt need any maintenance.

> > so it will eventually become dangerous.

> Bullshit.

So rodtard has yet to learn about repointing.

[farter]

> So he has yet to learn about repointing.

When done properly in the first place, it doesnt need repointing.

Mine is just as good as it was in the firs year, 50 years later.

And the new one is rendered, that doesnt need repointing.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 14:07:37 +1100, farter, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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[Animal]

lol

[farter]

>> When done properly in the first place, it doesn't need repointing.
>>
>> Mine is just as good as it was in the first year, 50 years later.

>>
>> And the new one is rendered, that doesnt need repointing.
>
> lol

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

[Peeler]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 05:14:27 +1100, farter, better known as cantankerous