Amyl acetate
Ron Grace
softening wood filler - and preventing it going hard in the container. But
my bottle is now nearly empty.
I was told by a chemist that it is not a restricted chemical but he couldn't
suggest where I can renew my supply.
Anyone know??
Tristán White
<940433277.8884.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
Would Amyl Nitrate not have the same effect? You can buy that from some bars
and nightclubs, as well as <cough> sex-shops, as it is used as "poppers" for
a quick buzz, and is hugely popular on the gay scene (although increasingly
popular amongst people of all errrm... interests). Shops sells poppers at £5
a bottle, clubs and bars at about £8. I imagine that it would soften
woodfiller, as it's very good at softening leather.
If you feel embarrassed going into a sex-shop asking for poppers I guess I
can get some on your behalf, as I don't embarrass easily! But if you can do
it yourself, I'd rather... only because I'm very busy at the moment, and the
local shop that would sell this is quite a hike away.
TRISTÁN
London
mlv
>
>For years I have had a small bottle of amyl acetate for the purpose of
>softening wood filler - and preventing it going hard in the container. But
>my bottle is now nearly empty.
>I was told by a chemist that it is not a restricted chemical but he
couldn't
>suggest where I can renew my supply.
>
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Also known as pentyl acetate or banana oil.
I seem to recall using acetone (nail varnish remover) to soften wood filler.
Any comments you chemists out there?
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Frank Erskine
<Trista...@rocketmail.com> writes
>>softening wood filler - and preventing it going hard in the container. But
>>my bottle is now nearly empty.
>>I was told by a chemist that it is not a restricted chemical but he
>couldn't
>>suggest where I can renew my supply.
>
>
>and nightclubs, as well as <cough> sex-shops,
I think that's Amyl Nitrite, not the same stuff.
~
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Karen.Mountford
> In article <940433277.8884.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Ron Grace" <r...@rongrace.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >For years I have had a small bottle of amyl acetate for the purpose of
> >softening wood filler - and preventing it going hard in the container. But
> >my bottle is now nearly empty.
> >I was told by a chemist that it is not a restricted chemical but he couldn't
> >suggest where I can renew my supply.
> >Anyone know??
>
> Nail varnish remover. Any chemists... (Other than yours, that is!)
>
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I thought that was ethyl acetate? It migth still work though.
Karen
Ron Grace
sealants and amyl acetate. uk.d-i-y is a really helpful group.
Ron Grace
R.Grenfell
> For years I have had a small bottle of amyl acetate for the purpose of
> softening wood filler - and preventing it going hard in the container. But
> my bottle is now nearly empty.
> I was told by a chemist that it is not a restricted chemical but he couldn't
> suggest where I can renew my supply.
> Anyone know??
Amyl Acetate is CH3CO2C5H11 for those interested.
Can be bought from the Aldrich part of Sigma-Aldrich (large chemical supplier)
tel 0800 717181, 5ml pot about 6.50 pounds
http://www.sigma.sial.com/
I just happen to have their catalogue on my desk at the moment
hope that helps
Richard
Tristán White
>I think that's Amyl Nitrite, not the same stuff.
Oh... it's just I wasn't sure which bit did the softening, the Amyl or the
Acetate. If it was the Amyl bit, then I thought Amyl Nitrate would have had
the same effect....
john_h_schmitt
White" <Trista...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
[whole load of conclusion over chemical nomenclature]
> Oh... it's just I wasn't sure which bit did the softening, the
> Amyl or the
> Acetate. If it was the Amyl bit, then I thought Amyl Nitrate would
> have had
> the same effect....
Unfortunately there are at least three systems of chemical
nomenclature. The archaic, as used by people who styled them selves
"Alchymyst" or similar, which was not very systematic, and used
expressions such as "sugar of lead", "spirits of salt" and "litharge".
Then came a semi-systematic nomenclature giving us wonders like
"bicarbonate of soda" and "sodium hyposulphate". Nowadays any decent
chemist will use IUPAC nomenclature. This results in very cumbersome
titles for some compounds, even amyl acetate (while an acceptable
trivial name) becomes n-pentyl ethanoate, and names such as
(ferexample) 1,2-benzo-1,3-cycloheptadiene quite commonly spring up.
This does not mean that IUPAC nomenclature is not a minefield, though,
fluorene and fluorine, dioxin and dioxan, and ethane, ethene, and
ethyne are all disparate compounds. Therefore "sounds like" is not a
very sound criterion for the selection of chemicals.
John Schmitt
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Nick Nelson
> This does not mean that IUPAC nomenclature is not a minefield, though,
> fluorene and fluorine, dioxin and dioxan, and ethane, ethene, and
> ethyne are all disparate compounds. Therefore "sounds like" is not a
> very sound criterion for the selection of chemicals.
As with silicon silicone ;-)
Nick.
Dave Plowman
Tristán White <Trista...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Oh... it's just I wasn't sure which bit did the softening, the Amyl or
> the Acetate. If it was the Amyl bit, then I thought Amyl Nitrate would
> have had the same effect....
I thought the idea of Amyl Nitrate was to harden things.............
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Tristán White
> I thought the idea of Amyl Nitrate was to harden things.............
No, I think the idea is to loosen things, actually! ;-)
David Quinton
Needless to say I know *nothing* about the subject under discussion
BUT:-
I thought it was nitr_I_te?
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Dave Plowman
David Quinton <in...@BizOrg.co.uk> wrote:
> Needless to say I know *nothing* about the subject under discussion
> BUT:-
> I thought it was nitr_I_te?
Sounds a very useful substance. It softens, hardens and loosens. Has
anyone told WD40? They might loose their pre-eminence.
geoff
<dave....@argonet.co.uk> writes
>In article <cEEPOG=dtaNcdOxeL...@4ax.com>,
> David Quinton <in...@BizOrg.co.uk> wrote:
>> Needless to say I know *nothing* about the subject under discussion
>> BUT:-
>> I thought it was nitr_I_te?
>
> Sounds a very useful substance. It softens, hardens and loosens. Has
>anyone told WD40? They might loose their pre-eminence.
>
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David Quinton
wrote:
>In article <4954e861b0...@argonet.co.uk>, Dave Plowman
><dave....@argonet.co.uk> writes
>> Sounds a very useful substance. It softens, hardens and loosens. Has
>>anyone told WD40? They might loose their pre-eminence.
>>
>Ever tried sniffing the stuff ?????
No. But I always wondered what that plastic tube was for....
Tony
however using amyl nitrate (poppers) for the same purpose...It probably won't do
the same job, and, it's an arterial dilatant, used in treating angina (or other
blood vessels that benefit from increased circulation!)
There's a reply here suggesting Aldrich; Also you may try E & E, Hays, or scour
the phone book for chemical distributors in your area.
Tony
Mike
John, you seem to know a bit about chemistry !
Can you explain why NaCl will dissolve in water but not in hexane ?
It's a homework question for my wife, I feel I should know but it's a few
years since I was at school !!!
Thanks Mike S
john_h_schmitt wrote in message
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>In article <7umvq3$c86$1...@newsreader3.core.theplanet.net>, "Tristán
>White" <Trista...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>[whole load of conclusion over chemical nomenclature]
>
>> Oh... it's just I wasn't sure which bit did the softening, the
>> Amyl or the
>> Acetate. If it was the Amyl bit, then I thought Amyl Nitrate would
>> have had
>> the same effect....
>
>Unfortunately there are at least three systems of chemical
>nomenclature. The archaic, as used by people who styled them selves
>"Alchymyst" or similar, which was not very systematic, and used
>expressions such as "sugar of lead", "spirits of salt" and "litharge".
>Then came a semi-systematic nomenclature giving us wonders like
>"bicarbonate of soda" and "sodium hyposulphate". Nowadays any decent
>chemist will use IUPAC nomenclature. This results in very cumbersome
>titles for some compounds, even amyl acetate (while an acceptable
>trivial name) becomes n-pentyl ethanoate, and names such as
>(ferexample) 1,2-benzo-1,3-cycloheptadiene quite commonly spring up.
>This does not mean that IUPAC nomenclature is not a minefield, though,
>fluorene and fluorine, dioxin and dioxan, and ethane, ethene, and
>ethyne are all disparate compounds. Therefore "sounds like" is not a
>very sound criterion for the selection of chemicals.
>
A J STILES
Mike wrote in message ...
>Sorry 'OFF TOPIC !! '
>
>John, you seem to know a bit about chemistry !
>
>Can you explain why NaCl will dissolve in water but not in hexane ?
Water is a polar solvent, hexane isn't. Sodium Chloride is highly ionic,
meaning it wants to split into Na+ and Cl- ions as soon as possible.
In a polar solvent, the solvent molecules have a slight positive charge
over one part of the surface, and a slight negative charge over another
part of the surface; in a non-polar solvent there is no overall difference
in charge over the surface. This distribution of charge gives some
encouragement for the Na+ and Cl- ions to split apart.
Water is polar because the two H atoms are at one end of the
molecule like a less-than sign with the oxygen atom at the point. The
bonds are covalent (electron sharing), so there is no overall charge
on the molecule, but the shared electrons spend more time near the
oxygen than the hydrogens, so there is this weak surface charge
distribution effect. Also water splits up fairly readily into H+ and OH-
ions.
Hexane is not polar, it consists of 6 carbon atoms in a chain with
hydrogen atoms stuck on every available bond, and the whole thing is
just too symmetrical to acquire an unevenness of charge. So there
is nothing to encourage ions to separate. The Na and Cl stay bonded,
in other words the salt does not dissolve.
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Mike S
A J STILES wrote in message <3812...@glitch.nildram.co.uk>...
john_h_schmitt
<aj...@adyx.co.uk> wrote:
> >John, you seem to know a bit about chemistry !
> >
> >Can you explain why NaCl will dissolve in water but not in hexane
> ?
> Water is a polar solvent, hexane isn't.
[explanation of polarity A+]
I have been bamboozling students by saying water is polar because the
ice-caps are made of it. Now you have exposed me as the con-artist I am.
;-)
Tristán White
>Ever tried sniffing the stuff ?????
I've sniffed amyl nitrate when it's been passed around at nightclubs, but
never sniffed amyl acetate.
(I don't make a habit of sniffing stuff, mind!)